1973 Off-season Thread - Page 4

graygoose12 · 08-26-2008, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier

I bet goose is feeling great now that he did not offer 18-20 million.

I don't think I would have ever done it, but I considered something like that for a bit.

muns · 08-26-2008, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

No way, really? That's insane. So everyone was scared away by the expected competition? I find it hard to believe even the AI teams didn't offer him something.

This is going to test muns' willpower big time.

Isnt that the truth. I had to resist going after any of the big names besides him in order to stay on the rebuld path and play young guys..... It seems I only got 4 guys I offered contracts on... I lost out in this FA period BIG TIME!

Young Drachma · 08-26-2008, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier

On another note I call shenanigans! It appears Yamazaki is being tampered with. Apparently 3 AI teams offered him a contract. Good thing I have him tied down to such a low rate as one of his emails suggest.

The AI was bidding too long, actually. I usually turn them off after a few days or else, we'd lose all of our bids to them. This time I forgot to do it, it explains why Texas got so many plum free agents, but it also explains why Higman is on the FA block still. He's still out there because AI teams were making offers to try to bump us off of him.

In a normal FOOL cycle, he'd signed by now. But that's the AI influence keeping him out there.

Commo_Soldier · 08-26-2008, 10:07 PM

It appears I am getting a bunch of bogus messages with this file. First it was Yamazaki and now I have a bunch of messages about salary arbitration for players that signed contracts.

graygoose12 · 08-26-2008, 10:08 PM

It looks like it should be a good 4-team race in the CL. Not only is Valdosta coming back to the pack, but Atlanta, Brooklyn, and Rio Grande all improved.

Young Drachma · 08-26-2008, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier

It appears I am getting a bunch of bogus messages with this file. First it was Yamazaki and now I have a bunch of messages about salary arbitration for players that signed contracts.

Things could be scrambled. I have no idea how that happens. But it might have been me changing the number of days to send you messages. I only did 35 days to make sure you could get the older ones, but it should've stayed at the 30 I had it at before.

So just ignore the older messages.

Commo_Soldier · 08-26-2008, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Things could be scrambled. I have no idea how that happens. But it might have been me changing the number of days to send you messages. I only did 35 days to make sure you could get the older ones, but it should've stayed at the 30 I had it at before.

So just ignore the older messages.

I think it is more than that as I am also receiving some messages for Quad City.

graygoose12 · 08-26-2008, 10:16 PM

I got all those messages as well...I have basically every offseason, and I see it in other leagues too. I don't think there is anything to do about it, and no reason to worry about it either.

Cringer · 08-26-2008, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier

I think it is more than that as I am also receiving some messages for Quad City.

Things are scrambled at the beginning of the new messages it seems. I have a couple to Atlanta, and then it clears up and it's all for my team.

graygoose12 · 08-26-2008, 10:17 PM

In a lot of those messages, you will also see player information on the right for a different player.

Alan T · 08-26-2008, 10:19 PM

The "messed up" email messages are like the tv show "The Mole". If you look closely enough at them all, you may figure out the clue to unlock the riddle on how to win the championship.

Trust me, I figured it out a few seasons ago. It definitely is worth it to go through all of those messages with a fine toothed comb.

Young Drachma · 08-26-2008, 10:20 PM

Cringer · 08-26-2008, 10:24 PM

So with a clear #1 SP and 5 or so SPs who are clear #4 or #5 guys, I am wondering if anyone has gone with a 6 man rotation before?

Commo_Soldier · 08-26-2008, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cringer

So with a clear #1 SP and 5 or so SPs who are clear #4 or #5 guys, I am wondering if anyone has gone with a 6 man rotation before?

I personally do not know why anyone would go to a 6 man rotation unless they had endurance problems.

Alan T · 08-26-2008, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cringer

So with a clear #1 SP and 5 or so SPs who are clear #4 or #5 guys, I am wondering if anyone has gone with a 6 man rotation before?

You probably would have more success with a 1 man rotation I would think. I ran one of those once in another league with Pedro Martinez

Young Drachma · 08-26-2008, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cringer

So with a clear #1 SP and 5 or so SPs who are clear #4 or #5 guys, I am wondering if anyone has gone with a 6 man rotation before?

I considered it last year, because I had SEVEN guys who could start. In the end, I decided against it. There is certainly a way to decide how to go with the 5 you want and then fill the other guys out into other spots of the middle relief/spot start/mopup roles. If you set it up right, you can give yourself a pretty good shot in the arm.

Problem is, this isn't the kind of league that lends itself to "mistakes" of that variety.

Young Drachma · 08-26-2008, 10:29 PM

In Quad City, we're trying to see if we can shift some talent, but if no one is willing to play ball and give us back the sort of quality we want, we'll go with what we have right now. Provided a few guys have good years or emerge, we could contend and if not, we'll have the space to improve depending on what's available.

Cringer · 08-26-2008, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

I considered it last year, because I had SEVEN guys who could start. In the end, I decided against it. There is certainly a way to decide how to go with the 5 you want and then fill the other guys out into other spots of the middle relief/spot start/mopup roles. If you set it up right, you can give yourself a pretty good shot in the arm.

Problem is, this isn't the kind of league that lends itself to "mistakes" of that variety.

Well, I am not exactly worried about what a mistake will do at this point. I will end up doing something with a spot starter at the least.

kaosfere · 08-26-2008, 10:44 PM

Feh, I was hoping for a few more pitching takes. Guess I should have bid a bit more.

Ah well.

Time to trade!

Young Drachma · 08-26-2008, 10:54 PM

I'm trying to calculate the 1969 Win Windows and I noticed a neat little thing that changed in the OOTP history section.

Now, when you move a team, the older team histories stay with that team name for that year. For instance, in 1969, the Thunderstorms were still the Chicago Comets. When you click on their stats in the history, it says the 1969 Chicago Comets rather than the 1969 Quad City Thunderstorms.

That's awesome, because the game never did that before. Just noticed it and thought it was neat.

Young Drachma · 08-26-2008, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

You would have to predict VORP for players which might be a bit tough since even for top players, VORP can bounce around a decent amount season to season.

The way I would see this being used for prediction purposes would be at the end of the season, you are in a crossroads of wondering if you rebuild or retool to try to make another run at it. If your "Win Window" is pretty close to competing level, or you seem to be near the top, you might go one way with it, but if your team appeared to have overachieved, you might just throw in your towel and start a rebuild.

I guess the question would be if this stat that DC created actually has the ability to give this information, or if it is going to be a regurgitated Pythag. record in a different statistical format. I'd be personally interested to see this run for the 1969 season to see what it told us, as I was at a crossroads there and made what I would say is a good choice at the time.

Alan, this was a great question. So I made it a point to go back and calculate this to make sure the stat actually works as intended and it seems, that it indeed does:

1969 SEASON VOCL & WIN WINDOWS
(Brooklyn beat Compton 5 games to 4 in the FOOL Classic that year...Game 9 was 13 innings and was 5-4 by Brooklyn)

Code:

Team			BVORP	PVORP	VOCL	WD	GMS	WW
Valdosta Peanuts	424.9	121.9	146.8	36	154	1.187
Brooklyn Brownstones	258	232.8	90.8	40	154	0.849
Compton Brothers	310.5	169.8	80.3	36	154	0.755
Hartford Harpooners	233.4	200.6	34	18	154	0.338
New York Highlanders	219.7	200.3	20	28	154	0.312
Boston Settlers		201.8	209.5	11.3	16	154	0.177
Ann Arbor Wolverines	223.9	182.3	6.2	36	154	0.274
El Paso Alligators	179.1	149.3	-71.6	8	154	-0.413
Rio Grande Roadrunners	128	197.6	-74.4	-12	154	-0.561
Colorado Rancheros	187	127.6	-85.4	0	154	-0.555
Toronto Atlantics	163.4	140.3	-96.3	-12	154	-0.703
Atlanta Firecrackers	118.2	170.1	-111.7	-16	154	-0.829
Baltimore Terrapins	84.5	99.6	-215.9	-24	154	-1.558
Seattle Armada		90	67.7	-242.3	-26	154	-1.742
Texas Copperheads	106.2	49.4	-244.4	-40	154	-1.847
Chicago Comets		53.5	-156.2	-502.7	-78	154	-3.771

The indicators were screaming to us, that Valdosta was REALLY good and that you were in your win window, with the team you had. So in some ways, the indicators fortold what things would be like, ceteris paribus going forward. Adding to that fray would only make it more likely to be right.

It also tells us that even though Ann Arbor finished in second, they weren't REALLY playoff caliber and based on their strong win performances, but not much else, it seems the indicators are again proven right. Meanwhile, Compton went back to the FOOL Classic the following year and lost again, but haven't fallen off a bit, seems that the numbers bear witness to the fact that the team could've used more firepower to stay within its window, but didn't and dropped off. Seems that once a team gets over that 1.000 hump, that they're in a completely different stratosphere in relation to their window of being able to capture a title. Whether they do or not, is subjective, but..clearly they have the ability/flexibility to do more than say, a team that's lower on the scale.

So awesome work and great idea.

muns · 08-26-2008, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Alan, this was a great question. So I made it a point to go back and calculate this to make sure the stat actually works as intended and it seems, that it indeed does:

1969 SEASON VOCL & WIN WINDOWS
(Brooklyn beat Compton 5 games to 4 in the FOOL Classic that year...Game 9 was 13 innings and was 5-4 by Brooklyn)

Code:

Team			BVORP	PVORP	VOCL	WD	GMS	WW
Valdosta Peanuts	424.9	121.9	146.8	36	154	1.187
Brooklyn Brownstones	258	232.8	90.8	40	154	0.849
Compton Brothers	310.5	169.8	80.3	36	154	0.755
Hartford Harpooners	233.4	200.6	34	18	154	0.338
New York Highlanders	219.7	200.3	20	28	154	0.312
Boston Settlers		201.8	209.5	11.3	16	154	0.177
Ann Arbor Wolverines	223.9	182.3	6.2	36	154	0.274
El Paso Alligators	179.1	149.3	-71.6	8	154	-0.413
Rio Grande Roadrunners	128	197.6	-74.4	-12	154	-0.561
Colorado Rancheros	187	127.6	-85.4	0	154	-0.555
Toronto Atlantics	163.4	140.3	-96.3	-12	154	-0.703
Atlanta Firecrackers	118.2	170.1	-111.7	-16	154	-0.829
Baltimore Terrapins	84.5	99.6	-215.9	-24	154	-1.558
Seattle Armada		90	67.7	-242.3	-26	154	-1.742
Texas Copperheads	106.2	49.4	-244.4	-40	154	-1.847
Chicago Comets		53.5	-156.2	-502.7	-78	154	-3.771

The indicators were screaming to us, that Valdosta was REALLY good and that you were in your win window, with the team you had. So in some ways, the indicators fortold what things would be like, ceteris paribus going forward. Adding to that fray would only make it more likely to be right.

So awesome work and great idea.

That is awesome to look at. Shows that I was close like I always thought I was, but yet so far away. Thanks for taking the time out to do that guys. I think that is one of the neatest things ive seen in a while for this type of league

Alan T · 08-26-2008, 11:14 PM

So I wonder if we can take your VOCL and apply it to the next level and try to judge where teams are after a free agency period based on player's performance from the year before.

For instance Valdosta obviously is the team much of the CL is aiming for.. and while losing some pretty big bats in Wyatt, Reyes, Mendoza and the other Reyes in the offseason.. really hasn't brought back in much in the way of talent that spent a good bit of time in the majors last season...

So we can say that Valdosta lost Batting VORP of 171.3 and Pitching VORP of 28 this offseason without much in the way of suitable replacement.

Measured with this in mind, Valdosta could have a predicted VOCL of 21.4 going into this next season which is night and day difference from last year. It also places Valdosta slightly behind Brooklyn and only a little bit ahead of Atlanta or Rio Grande before figuring any of their off season moves. (as we know Atlanta re-tooled in a big way).

So perhaps we can see this season if Valdosta is really as vulnerable as this stat may show as a predicted VOCL for next year likely will easily have Atlanta ahead of Valdosta now.

Young Drachma · 08-26-2008, 11:42 PM

You are dead on, Alan. But way more work than I'm gonna be doing at the moment.

Young Drachma · 08-26-2008, 11:54 PM

The way to do this "neatly" would be for each team at the end of the season to account for how much VORP they lost and then to account for how much they signed in FA before the season starts. Then we could plug those numbers into a spreadsheet and figure out the stats.

I've already named them and everything:

RVe (Retained Value) is the amount of VORP a team gained/lost during an off-season. For instance, Atlanta's current RVe is 58.2, given they lost about 43.4 VORP and have gained 101.8 so far this off-season.

PVe (Predicted Value) is the measure of the team's VOCL from the previous season added to their RVe. So for instance, even if Valdosta didn't add another player of any value this off-season, the team's PVe is 28, which is higher than the 14.9 PVe, which would indicate things are close, but how close, it'd be hard to say without seeing the other teams or knowing the results of the season yet.

muns · 08-27-2008, 08:23 PM

Good luck tonight to all who are in on the Higman sweepstakes.... looking forward to seeing where he lands

Young Drachma · 08-27-2008, 08:25 PM

Not Quad City, sadly.

Alan T · 08-27-2008, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by muns

Good luck tonight to all who are in on the Higman sweepstakes.... looking forward to seeing where he lands

What about the Mendoza sweepstakes???

muns · 08-27-2008, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

What about the Mendoza sweepstakes???

HA HA True.... That brings up an interesting question. Since most teams only have roughly about 10-15 mil left, if teams go all in after one of these guys, would the other one sign for a cheapo deal like Tanaka did with RG like 7 seasons ago? At the time his 10 mil deal was a steal, and could be debated as the steal of all time IMO.

Alan T · 08-27-2008, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by muns

HA HA True.... That brings up an interesting question. Since most teams only have roughly about 10-15 mil left, if teams go all in after one of these guys, would the other one sign for a cheapo deal like Tanaka did with RG like 7 seasons ago? At the time his 10 mil deal was a steal, and could be debated as the steal of all time IMO.

I am guessing less likely thanks to the AI teams being around.

ekcut · 08-27-2008, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by muns

HA HA True.... That brings up an interesting question. Since most teams only have roughly about 10-15 mil left, if teams go all in after one of these guys, would the other one sign for a cheapo deal like Tanaka did with RG like 7 seasons ago? At the time his 10 mil deal was a steal, and could be debated as the steal of all time IMO.

Tanaka is a touchy subject...I was going to throw the bank at him, but I figured EVERYONE would be going after him and I would be better off going after some light weights. When tanaka signed for so cheap, I banged my head against the wall as I didn't get the light weights either.

Commo_Soldier · 08-27-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ekcut

Tanaka is a touchy subject...I was going to throw the bank at him, but I figured EVERYONE would be going after him and I would be better off going after some light weights. When tanaka signed for so cheap, I banged my head against the wall as I didn't get the light weights either.

And that is why I now offer huge contracts. I would rather overpay then not get anyone.

muns · 08-27-2008, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ekcut

Tanaka is a touchy subject...I was going to throw the bank at him, but I figured EVERYONE would be going after him and I would be better off going after some light weights. When tanaka signed for so cheap, I banged my head against the wall as I didn't get the light weights either.

Wonder if thats what happened with Higman and Mendoza last night.... Anyone willing to say if they threw either of those guys an offer last night??? I threw an offer at Higman but it was super super cheap, cause thats what I do like an idiot

muns · 08-27-2008, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier

And that is why I now offer huge contracts. I would rather overpay then not get anyone.

thats prob good advice to follow. Im too much of a wuss. I just cant bring myself to do it. I always think im gonna get stuck with a contract I wont want in a year or 3, not be able to deal it off, be stuck....and end up missing out on a FA class like this one.

Young Drachma · 08-27-2008, 08:43 PM

I wonder what we're going to do if an AI team goes over the cap?

Public auction?

Commo_Soldier · 08-27-2008, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

I wonder what we're going to do if an AI team goes over the cap?

Public auction?

I would be for that; however I think it should be a player they would most likely cut. So if Higman signed for 10 million and put them over by about 1 million and they had a scrub or two I think they should be the ones auctioned rather then Higman or another stud they recently signed.

Alan T · 08-27-2008, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

I wonder what we're going to do if an AI team goes over the cap?

Public auction?

Fairest thing probably would be to drop the most recent free agent signee, but that would cause a potential star player to sit out an entire year which I don't like a bunch.

Maybe can have the RL Board member make a call on any AI CL teams that go over, and the CL Board member make a call on any AI RL teams if something happens. That way no superstar or anything crazy happens and it keeps the league competition level up.

Chief Rum · 08-27-2008, 08:52 PM

I threw an offer at Higman.

For the league min.

Jim Carrey in Dumb and Dumber: "So you're saying there's a chance!"

Chief Rum · 08-27-2008, 08:53 PM

I am going over the player nationalities right now. I was thinking it would be neat if we could stage our own WBC sometime.

Alan T · 08-27-2008, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I threw an offer at Higman.

For the league min.

Jim Carrey in Dumb and Dumber: "So you're saying there's a chance!"

haha, watch him accept it too. I tried a minor league offer on E. Reyes last night, but he didn't accept that either

Chief Rum · 08-27-2008, 08:58 PM

Just for fun, see who gets this without looking it up:

Name the premier English player in FOOL.

Young Drachma · 08-27-2008, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier

I think you are on the right track as well. I personally feel that the formula may be a better predictor if it could say take the past two years of results at a 25% and 35% weight each for the VORP's and take a predicted batting and pitching VORP for the remaining 40%. Here are the following reasons I beleive this would be need to be factored in.

A team will most likely build up to success in the past two years or rebound from an off year so I think more than one season's of results is needed.
Conversely one must not look to far back at past success as it is hard to sustain a championship level of success.
Predicted VORP's (would have to be based on an accurate forumla) is needed on the basis that turnover happens. Teams that had success the past few years will drop off because of aging, losing key FA's. Where as teams that have been losing may jump up because of young talent peaking and gaining key FA's.

Overall as stated I think this is a good place to start on if a team has a reasonable shot at competing in the upcoming year.

I've created a stat here called the Right Track Index (RTI). RTI takes a team's VOCL over a three year period, weighting the most recent year higher, the next year less and the 3rd year less than that (55-30-15) to evaluate whether a team is on the 'right track' or not. The higher the number, the more 'on track' they are.

Our numbers are skewed in the sense that Valdosta has won three titles in a row and are clearly a juggernaut for the ages.

But that said...

Here's the numbers:

Code:

Team			RTI
Valdosta Peanuts	667.2
Colorado Rancheros	90.7
Boston Settlers		-114.6
Brooklyn Brownstones	66.7
Rio Grande Roadrunners	66.3
Atlanta Firecrackers	-33.5
Quad City Thunderstorms	-342.7
Compton Brothers	-23.1
Ann Arbor Wolverines	-95.0
Baltimore Terrapins	-440.7
Toronto Atlantics	-564.9
New York Highlanders	-557.2
Hartford Harpooners	-731.7
El Paso Alligators	-721.9
Columbus Crusaders	-727.4
Texas Copperheads	-901.0

RTI tells us that at the end of 1972, Valdosta is clearly on a track all their own. This measure would be coupled with a RTI Chg that would reflect from year to year how much a team gained or lost in RTI, to really be able to track their performance over a particular period of time.

For me personally, it tells me that even though I know my team is getting out of a crazy situation, having just had our first two winning seasons in franchise history in the last two years, that we've still got a lot of work to do to be amongst the contenders like Colorado, Rio Grande, Brooklyn and Valdosta, all teams that have won titles in recent years.

Commo_Soldier · 08-27-2008, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Just for fun, see who gets this without looking it up:

Name the premier English player in FOOL.

Higman

Young Drachma · 08-27-2008, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Just for fun, see who gets this without looking it up:

Name the premier English player in FOOL.

Higman.

I noticed last night and was like "What? Really? England?

Alan T · 08-27-2008, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Just for fun, see who gets this without looking it up:

Name the premier English player in FOOL.

I couldn't guess so I looked it up. Hah

Young Drachma · 08-27-2008, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I am going over the player nationalities right now. I was thinking it would be neat if we could stage our own WBC sometime.

AWESOME idea.

ekcut · 08-27-2008, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by muns

Wonder if thats what happened with Higman and Mendoza last night.... Anyone willing to say if they threw either of those guys an offer last night??? I threw an offer at Higman but it was super super cheap, cause thats what I do like an idiot

I offered OVER his asking price for his asking # of years...I guess he doesn't like Baltimore. So be it...moved on to plan B

Commo_Soldier · 08-27-2008, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ekcut

I offered OVER his asking price for his asking # of years...I guess he doesn't like Baltimore. So be it...moved on to plan B

That surprises me that he is not even considering your offer.

Chief Rum · 08-27-2008, 09:03 PM

Yup, Commo gets it. Floored me, too, when I saw it.

BTW, there is a shameful paucity of Dominican players in the league. Canada and Cuba would very well be able to field teams, though (so far).

Here's another one:

Name the premier Australian player in FOOL.

Commo_Soldier · 08-27-2008, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Yup, Commo gets it. Floored me, too, when I saw it.

Name the premier Australian player in FOOL.

To be fair I had him for three years, so I have looked at this more than anyone else.

Australian I would say Lang

08-26-2008, 10:19 PM	#161
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	The "messed up" email messages are like the tv show "The Mole". If you look closely enough at them all, you may figure out the clue to unlock the riddle on how to win the championship. Trust me, I figured it out a few seasons ago. It definitely is worth it to go through all of those messages with a fine toothed comb. __________________ Couch to ??k - From the couch to a Marathon in roughly 18 months.

08-26-2008, 10:20 PM	#162
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	LOL

08-26-2008, 10:24 PM	#163
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	So with a clear #1 SP and 5 or so SPs who are clear #4 or #5 guys, I am wondering if anyone has gone with a 6 man rotation before? __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose!

08-26-2008, 10:54 PM	#170
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	I'm trying to calculate the 1969 Win Windows and I noticed a neat little thing that changed in the OOTP history section. Now, when you move a team, the older team histories stay with that team name for that year. For instance, in 1969, the Thunderstorms were still the Chicago Comets. When you click on their stats in the history, it says the 1969 Chicago Comets rather than the 1969 Quad City Thunderstorms. That's awesome, because the game never did that before. Just noticed it and thought it was neat. __________________ Current Dynasty:The Zenith of Professional Basketball Careers (FBPB/FBCB) FBCB / FPB3 Mods

08-26-2008, 11:14 PM	#173
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	So I wonder if we can take your VOCL and apply it to the next level and try to judge where teams are after a free agency period based on player's performance from the year before. For instance Valdosta obviously is the team much of the CL is aiming for.. and while losing some pretty big bats in Wyatt, Reyes, Mendoza and the other Reyes in the offseason.. really hasn't brought back in much in the way of talent that spent a good bit of time in the majors last season... So we can say that Valdosta lost Batting VORP of 171.3 and Pitching VORP of 28 this offseason without much in the way of suitable replacement. Measured with this in mind, Valdosta could have a predicted VOCL of 21.4 going into this next season which is night and day difference from last year. It also places Valdosta slightly behind Brooklyn and only a little bit ahead of Atlanta or Rio Grande before figuring any of their off season moves. (as we know Atlanta re-tooled in a big way). So perhaps we can see this season if Valdosta is really as vulnerable as this stat may show as a predicted VOCL for next year likely will easily have Atlanta ahead of Valdosta now. __________________ Couch to ??k - From the couch to a Marathon in roughly 18 months.

08-26-2008, 10:07 PM	#154
Commo_Soldier College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: JBLM, WA	It appears I am getting a bunch of bogus messages with this file. First it was Yamazaki and now I have a bunch of messages about salary arbitration for players that signed contracts.

08-26-2008, 10:08 PM	#155
graygoose12 H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Nov 2004	It looks like it should be a good 4-team race in the CL. Not only is Valdosta coming back to the pack, but Atlanta, Brooklyn, and Rio Grande all improved.

08-26-2008, 10:16 PM	#158
graygoose12 H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Nov 2004	I got all those messages as well...I have basically every offseason, and I see it in other leagues too. I don't think there is anything to do about it, and no reason to worry about it either.

08-26-2008, 10:17 PM	#160
graygoose12 H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Nov 2004	In a lot of those messages, you will also see player information on the right for a different player.

08-26-2008, 10:29 PM	#167
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	In Quad City, we're trying to see if we can shift some talent, but if no one is willing to play ball and give us back the sort of quality we want, we'll go with what we have right now. Provided a few guys have good years or emerge, we could contend and if not, we'll have the space to improve depending on what's available.

08-26-2008, 10:44 PM	#169
kaosfere College Prospect Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Chicagoland	Feh, I was hoping for a few more pitching takes. Guess I should have bid a bit more. Ah well. Time to trade!

08-26-2008, 11:42 PM	#174
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	You are dead on, Alan. But way more work than I'm gonna be doing at the moment.

08-26-2008, 11:54 PM	#175
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	The way to do this "neatly" would be for each team at the end of the season to account for how much VORP they lost and then to account for how much they signed in FA before the season starts. Then we could plug those numbers into a spreadsheet and figure out the stats. I've already named them and everything: RVe (Retained Value) is the amount of VORP a team gained/lost during an off-season. For instance, Atlanta's current RVe is 58.2, given they lost about 43.4 VORP and have gained 101.8 so far this off-season. PVe (Predicted Value) is the measure of the team's VOCL from the previous season added to their RVe. So for instance, even if Valdosta didn't add another player of any value this off-season, the team's PVe is 28, which is higher than the 14.9 PVe, which would indicate things are close, but how close, it'd be hard to say without seeing the other teams or knowing the results of the season yet. Last edited by Young Drachma : 08-27-2008 at 07:59 AM.

08-27-2008, 08:23 PM	#176
muns Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Baltimore MD	Good luck tonight to all who are in on the Higman sweepstakes.... looking forward to seeing where he lands

08-27-2008, 08:25 PM	#177
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Not Quad City, sadly. __________________ Current Dynasty:The Zenith of Professional Basketball Careers (FBPB/FBCB) FBCB / FPB3 Mods

08-27-2008, 08:43 PM	#185
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	I wonder what we're going to do if an AI team goes over the cap? Public auction?

08-27-2008, 08:52 PM	#188
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	I threw an offer at Higman. For the league min. Jim Carrey in Dumb and Dumber: "So you're saying there's a chance!" __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready. Last edited by Chief Rum : 08-27-2008 at 08:52 PM.

08-27-2008, 08:53 PM	#189
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	I am going over the player nationalities right now. I was thinking it would be neat if we could stage our own WBC sometime. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

08-27-2008, 08:58 PM	#191
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Just for fun, see who gets this without looking it up: Name the premier English player in FOOL. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

08-27-2008, 09:03 PM	#199
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Yup, Commo gets it. Floored me, too, when I saw it. BTW, there is a shameful paucity of Dominican players in the league. Canada and Cuba would very well be able to field teams, though (so far). Here's another one: Name the premier Australian player in FOOL. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

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