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Old 09-17-2008, 06:16 PM   #201
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I agree, glad we dont use it.
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Old 09-17-2008, 07:03 PM   #202
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Here are manager records for the departed and Chief's record in Colorado. First column after the games and win-loss records is playoff appearances, second is titles.

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DizzyDizzyDinosaur 616 282 334 0 0 Toronto (1969-1970), New Orleans (1974-1975) SkyDog/Ben E Lou 1078 576 502 3 0 Charleston (1961-1967) Sir Fozzie 462 151 311 0 0 Chicago (1966-1969) Linty Fresh 924 472 452 2 2 Baltimore (1961-1966) Macro Guru 308 134 174 0 0 St. George (1963-1965) JetsIn06 462 204 258 0 0 Seattle (1966-1969) Chief Rum 1545 859 686 5 2 Colorado (1964-1973), Atlanta (1976-) Huckleberry 1078 517 561 0 0 Texas (1964-1970) Tellisto 1079 595 484 2 1 New York (1964-1970) gstelmack 1853 932 921 0 0 Boston (1964-1975) INDalltheway 462 196 266 0 0 Long Beach Island (1963-1966) allpro10050 1846 976 870 1 1 Ann Arbor (1964-1975) Malc Pow 462 188 274 0 0 Chicago (1964-1966) Coachb123 308 149 159 0 0 Long Beach Island (1967-1969) JeeberD 924 389 535 0 0 El Paso Alligators (1964-1969) Commo Solider 1694 881 813 1 1 Brooklyn (1964-1974) Grey Goose 1232 637 595 1 0 (Atlanta 1967-1975)

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Old 09-17-2008, 07:26 PM   #203
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Speaking of strike schedules...

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Old 09-17-2008, 08:58 PM   #204
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Old 09-17-2008, 09:09 PM   #205
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Old 09-17-2008, 09:15 PM   #206
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too late for a file? i don't think I uploaded one.
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Old 09-17-2008, 09:19 PM   #207
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No. Have at it.
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Old 09-17-2008, 09:23 PM   #208
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No changes for me today... just sent an export to indicate readiness. :P

My wife bought Lucky Charms. This makes me very happy. I am a man of simple pleasures.
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Old 09-17-2008, 09:24 PM   #209
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Old 09-17-2008, 09:27 PM   #210
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I have been debating ways to make "cash" count more in the league. Still plotting...

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After spending the day mocking my FOBL brethen...I might tweak this and see what sort of something I can come up with.

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Old 09-17-2008, 09:28 PM   #211
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Date/time: Wednesday, September 17th, 2008 Saving the database... Database has been saved Starting to retrieve team files from server... Successfully imported team Atlanta Firecrackers from server Successfully imported team Baltimore Terrapins from server Successfully imported team Brooklyn Brownstones from server Successfully imported team Chicago Thunderstorms from server Error: Could not import team Colorado Rancheros from server. Error during FTP download. Error Error: Could not import team Columbus Crusaders from server. Error during FTP download. Error Successfully imported team Compton Brothers from server Error: Could not import team Detroit Wolverines from server. Error during FTP download. Error Successfully imported team Hartford Harpooners from server Error: Could not import team Long Island Violators from server. Could not load team file. Wrong date Error: Could not import team New Orleans Wrens from server. Error during FTP download. Error Successfully imported team New York Highlanders from server Successfully imported team Rio Grande Roadrunners from server Successfully imported team Texas Travelers from server Successfully imported team Toronto Osprey from server Successfully imported team Valdosta Peanuts from server

Who sent a file in...
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Old 09-17-2008, 09:30 PM   #212
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I sent mine in and looks like you got it

Who the heck moved to Detroit?
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Old 09-17-2008, 09:31 PM   #213
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(If you're looking for Canadian MSAs, you'll need to scroll all the way to the bottom. I put those in last.)

DISCRIMINATION!

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Old 09-17-2008, 09:34 PM   #214
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I sent mine in and looks like you got it

Who the heck moved to Detroit?

I moved Ann Arbor to Detroit for the same reason I moved Charleston to Atlanta after Ben left. Ann Arbor didn't fit as a city with the rest of the teams in the league (Columbus is safe...) and that was allpro's legacy, so I figured better it end with him. The name will stay, since the original NL entry to the majors was called that.

And yes, the poor schlub who takes them over will be stuck there unless s (he) has a good reason for it.

Thus sayeth the good book.
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Old 09-17-2008, 09:36 PM   #215
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I'm processing trades, just fyi.
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Old 09-17-2008, 09:39 PM   #216
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Trades are done. (I felt like there were a million, but it was only 4.) Anyway....onward to the draft file!
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Old 09-17-2008, 09:40 PM   #217
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No changes for me today... just sent an export to indicate readiness. :P

My wife bought Lucky Charms. This makes me very happy. I am a man of simple pleasures.

I'm a fan of Froot Loops myself, but that's totally exciting. Sugar cereal makes everything better.
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Old 09-17-2008, 09:44 PM   #218
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Wednesday, December 10th, 1975
Chicago Thunderstorms: Signed free agent 1B F. Bell to a minor league contract.
Baltimore Terrapins: Signed free agent CF S. Venegas to a 1-year contract worth a total of $260,000.
Compton Brothers: Signed free agent CL A. Snyder to a 3-year contract worth a total of $2,700,000.
Tuesday, December 9th, 1975
Chicago Thunderstorms: Signed free agent LF P. Mueller to a minor league contract.
Atlanta Firecrackers: Signed free agent 1B D. Hanson to a minor league contract.
Sunday, December 7th, 1975
Atlanta Firecrackers: Signed CF R. Winter to a minor league contract extension.
Atlanta Firecrackers: Signed C G. Blanco to a minor league contract extension.
Hartford Harpooners: Signed C K. Bradsher to a minor league contract extension.
Atlanta Firecrackers: Signed MR B. Greer to a minor league contract extension.
Atlanta Firecrackers: Signed 3B B. Guzmán to a 3-year contract extension worth a total of $6,000,000.
Chicago Thunderstorms: Signed 3B M. Montoya to a 3-year contract extension worth a total of $7,635,000.
Atlanta Firecrackers: Signed SS G. Vega to a minor league contract extension.
Hartford Harpooners: Signed RF J. Montero to a minor league contract extension.
Hartford Harpooners: Signed RF B. Smith to a minor league contract extension.
Hartford Harpooners: Signed 1B G. Miller to a minor league contract extension.
Atlanta Firecrackers: Signed MR C. Pérez to a minor league contract extension.
Hartford Harpooners: Signed LF D. Santiago to a minor league contract extension.
Hartford Harpooners: Signed 2B E. Brown to a minor league contract extension.
Atlanta Firecrackers: Signed C P. Richter to a minor league contract extension.
Atlanta Firecrackers: Signed CL C. Templeman to a 1-year contract extension worth a total of $355,000.
Friday, December 5th, 1975
Atlanta Firecrackers: Signed LF R. Johnston to a minor league contract extension.
Hartford Harpooners: Signed C J. Davis to a minor league contract extension.
Thursday, December 4th, 1975
Hartford Harpooners: Signed 2B C. Watkins to a 3-year contract extension worth a total of $2,355,000.
Atlanta Firecrackers: Signed SP C. González to a minor league contract extension.
Atlanta Firecrackers: Signed CL R. Morán to a minor league contract extension.
Columbus Crusaders: Signed SP J. López to a 3-year contract extension worth a total of $8,775,000.
Hartford Harpooners: Signed C I. Toledo to a minor league contract extension.
Atlanta Firecrackers: Signed 3B K. Chapman to a minor league contract extension.
Wednesday, December 3rd, 1975
Hartford Harpooners: Signed 3B T. Shimizu to a minor league contract extension.
Chicago Thunderstorms: Signed SP H. Mason to a 4-year contract extension worth a total of $19,200,000.
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Old 09-17-2008, 09:45 PM   #219
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Thursday, December 18th, 1975
Baltimore Terrapins: Signed free agent RF E. Richard to a 2-year contract worth a total of $11,210,000.
Tuesday, December 16th, 1975
Chicago Thunderstorms: Signed free agent RF R. Wildridge to a 4-year contract worth a total of $11,460,000.
Chicago Thunderstorms: Signed free agent RF E. Cercignani to a minor league contract.
Chicago Thunderstorms: Signed free agent RF J. Jaimes to a 1-year contract worth a total of $440,000.
Detroit Wolverines: Signed free agent SP A. Herrera to a 4-year contract worth a total of $15,620,000.
Monday, December 15th, 1975
Chicago Thunderstorms: Signed free agent C E. Rivera to a minor league contract.
Saturday, December 13th, 1975
Atlanta Firecrackers: Signed free agent RF S. Myers to a minor league contract.
New Orleans Wrens: Signed free agent C R. Ferrer to a minor league contract.
Texas Travelers: Signed free agent CL J. Baraja to a 1-year contract worth a total of $650,000.
Friday, December 12th, 1975
Rio Grande Roadrunners: Signed free agent CL J. Encarnación to a 2-year contract worth a total of $560,000.
Thursday, December 11th, 1975
Atlanta Firecrackers: Signed free agent 3B A. Owens to a minor league contract.
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Old 09-17-2008, 09:45 PM   #220
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Wednesday, December 24th, 1975
Chicago Thunderstorms: Signed free agent C T. Nijenboer to a minor league contract.
New Orleans Wrens: Signed free agent 3B V. Neussel to a 1-year contract worth a total of $385,000.
Tuesday, December 23rd, 1975
Atlanta Firecrackers: Signed free agent CL J. Montero to a 1-year contract worth a total of $190,000.
Detroit Wolverines: Signed free agent CL J. Payton to a 1-year contract worth a total of $310,000.
Monday, December 22nd, 1975
Hartford Harpooners: Signed free agent RF K. Schultz to a 1-year contract worth a total of $190,000.
Rio Grande Roadrunners: Signed free agent 1B C. Wilson to a 3-year contract worth a total of $2,820,000.
Sunday, December 21st, 1975
Chicago Thunderstorms: Signed free agent MR C. Delgado to a minor league contract.
Rio Grande Roadrunners: Signed free agent CF B. Pugh to a 2-year contract worth a total of $570,000.
Detroit Wolverines: Signed free agent SP V. Reyes to a 1-year contract worth a total of $510,000.
Detroit Wolverines: Signed free agent RF H. McKinney to a 1-year contract worth a total of $450,000.
Chicago Thunderstorms: Signed free agent SP C. Stuart to a minor league contract.
Saturday, December 20th, 1975
Chicago Thunderstorms: Signed free agent CL A. González to a minor league contract.
Chicago Thunderstorms: Signed free agent CF D. Dunham to a 2-year contract worth a total of $1,520,000.
Friday, December 19th, 1975
Rio Grande Roadrunners: Signed free agent RF A. Durón to a minor league contract.
Chicago Thunderstorms: Signed free agent CL J. McDaniel to a minor league contract.
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Old 09-17-2008, 09:46 PM   #221
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Saturday, December 27th, 1975
Texas Travelers: Signed free agent RF J. Shoemaker to a 2-year contract worth a total of $720,000.
New Orleans Wrens: Signed free agent MR R. Massey to a 3-year contract worth a total of $11,715,000.
Friday, December 26th, 1975
Chicago Thunderstorms: Signed free agent MR J. Grimes to a minor league contract.
Chicago Thunderstorms: Signed free agent 1B R. García to a minor league contract.
Detroit Wolverines: Signed free agent SP M. Gutiérrez to a 5-year contract worth a total of $34,700,000.
Thursday, December 25th, 1975
Compton Brothers: Signed free agent C D. Houston to a minor league contract.
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Old 09-17-2008, 09:46 PM   #222
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Hey guys. I finally have functional access to fofc now but still no power in my house. My blackberry is getting a good data signal, before i could maybe get the front page or a list from a forum, but no deep thread or posting without timing out. Power is geting real close now to our subdivision, so maybe tomorrow or the next day we'll have it. I havent had time yet to read through this whole thread, but if no one was guiding colorado much, i'mprobably in a bit if a hole and possibly killed the team for a few seasons. I'm sorry about that. When i get back up, i' d' like to participate again. If i am not up by friday and nobody is keeping any eye on this team, please make sure 1b trujillo and the good pitcher i took last draft are at least both in the bigs as they should be more tha ready. Thanks, and i'll poat again when i get through this thread tomorrow.
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Old 09-17-2008, 09:48 PM   #223
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Thursday, January 1st, 1976
2B R. Carpenter retires.
MR R. Bonilla retires.
2B J. Velásquez retires.
SP R. Foster retires.
SP J. Diamond retires.
CF P. Holmes retires.
SP J. Flores retires.
SP W. Holt retires.
RF T. Singleton retires.
C A. Allen retires.
3B N. Newton retires.
LF B. Bartlett retires.
3B J. Rickerly retires.
SP D. Jones retires.
2B L. Suárez retires.
C J. Bonner retires.
3B T. Walker retires.
2B T. Yánez retires.
SP M. Pulido retires.
SP J. Murillo retires.
SP R. Abrams retires.
CF J. Strong retires.
SP T. Takeda retires.
C M. Wade retires.
3B G. Frazier retires.
RF W. Branch retires.
MR J. Stokes retires.
MR J. Cruz retires.
SS C. Allen retires.
RF E. Sánchez retires.
3B C. Lane retires.
2B G. Franklin retires.
2B J. Numbers retires.
SP D. Todd retires.
2B G. Gardner retires.
3B B. Brown retires.
MR A. Hernández retires.
LF W. Davis retires.
1B T. Campbell retires.
C B. Carrillo retires.
1B G. Howard retires.
C B. Hill retires.
1B J. Todd retires.
LF F. Vega retires.
CF M. Jefferson retires.
SP B. Williams retires.
SP W. Kelly retires.
SP J. Ross retires.
SP D. Mann retires.
SP H. Cuesta retires.
SP M. Hollis retires.
SP P. Martínez retires.
SP D. Goodwin retires.
SP D. Davis retires.
SP M. López retires.
SP J. Ortega retires.
SS A. Vásquez retires.
MR J. Pérez retires.
Detroit Wolverines: Signed free agent SS A. Stanley to a 5-year contract worth a total of $63,420,000.
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Old 09-17-2008, 09:50 PM   #224
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I made sure to sign your prospects in Colorado, but the salary situation there was such that there wasn't much anyone could do for that team with the lack of space capwise.
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Old 09-17-2008, 09:53 PM   #225
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Going to bed. Looking to trade a midtier prospect for a serviceable (read:older) MR pitcher. 1 for 1.
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Old 09-17-2008, 09:53 PM   #226
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With so much time passing from the start of sim to the end of the sim on Wednesday nights, I spend a good deal of time moving DFA'd players to your active roster or Triple-A if your active is full. For the newbs...
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Old 09-17-2008, 09:55 PM   #227
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Hey guys. I finally have functional access to fofc now but still no power in my house. My blackberry is getting a good data signal, before i could maybe get the front page or a list from a forum, but no deep thread or posting without timing out. Power is geting real close now to our subdivision, so maybe tomorrow or the next day we'll have it. I havent had time yet to read through this whole thread, but if no one was guiding colorado much, i'mprobably in a bit if a hole and possibly killed the team for a few seasons. I'm sorry about that. When i get back up, i' d' like to participate again. If i am not up by friday and nobody is keeping any eye on this team, please make sure 1b trujillo and the good pitcher i took last draft are at least both in the bigs as they should be more tha ready. Thanks, and i'll poat again when i get through this thread tomorrow.

Glad your ok bud!!!!!
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Old 09-17-2008, 09:56 PM   #228
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Draft pool contains 40 players with 2-5 star potential.
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Old 09-17-2008, 09:56 PM   #229
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Is there a transaction log in the game that shows you the retired players with links to their player profiles? I'd like to be able to look at all the retirees for the year, but haven't been able to find it.
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Old 09-17-2008, 09:58 PM   #230
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Is there a transaction log in the game that shows you the retired players with links to their player profiles? I'd like to be able to look at all the retirees for the year, but haven't been able to find it.

Just go to FOOL --> History and then look at the retired players tab. You can then look at anyone who is retired. It's uploading now or else I'd specify the exact steps.
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Old 09-17-2008, 09:59 PM   #231
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Tonight's file is only 22.16 MB. So we're back to normal. Dunno how/why, but I'm glad to see it.
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Old 09-17-2008, 10:01 PM   #232
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Just go to FOOL --> History and then look at the retired players tab. You can then look at anyone who is retired. It's uploading now or else I'd specify the exact steps.

Aye, I've seen that, but there doesn't seem to be a way to sort 'em by year retired. Unless I'm a moron.
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Old 09-17-2008, 10:01 PM   #233
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Aye, I've seen that, but there doesn't seem to be a way to sort 'em by year retired. Unless I'm a moron.

Oh. no. there is no way to see them by year retired. That's an OOTP flaw. 'course.
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Old 09-17-2008, 10:03 PM   #234
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That's an OOTP flaw. 'course.

Figures.
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Old 09-17-2008, 10:14 PM   #235
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Old 09-17-2008, 10:22 PM   #236
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I think I have a cash solution, by using a modified version of MarketCalc with other factors like VORP and win percentage to determine how much cash a team has each year.

I'm gonna model it based on last year's results and see what it looks like before moving any further with it.
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Old 09-18-2008, 04:57 AM   #237
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I think I have a cash solution, by using a modified version of MarketCalc with other factors like VORP and win percentage to determine how much cash a team has each year.

I'm gonna model it based on last year's results and see what it looks like before moving any further with it.


Are you going to do it over one year or multiple years or what? Market values don't just change over night for instance. A team like Colorado might have had one or two down years, but after a decade of greatness, they should be near the top for instance. A team like Toronto having a great year should spike the money last season and next based on that one year, but if they tank the next season their fall off would be faster than Colorado's for instance.
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Old 09-18-2008, 07:57 AM   #238
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I'm wondering why my file didn't take. I uploaded it normally, but for some reason, it looks like mine, along with a couple other teams, didn't work at all.
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Old 09-18-2008, 08:44 AM   #239
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Are you going to do it over one year or multiple years or what? Market values don't just change over night for instance. A team like Colorado might have had one or two down years, but after a decade of greatness, they should be near the top for instance. A team like Toronto having a great year should spike the money last season and next based on that one year, but if they tank the next season their fall off would be faster than Colorado's for instance.

I say let the $$ stay the same for some time to come. It's hard for us new to OOTP9 & this league to get a grip on all the $$ stuff as is. I'm still getting a feel for players value & long term $$ planning, as well as all the other stuff. With the speed of our league I think a "loose" cash set-up may be more trouble then it's worth. As long as the $$ playing field is = then I say leave well enough alone, IMHO. I know you guys are just talking... so I just added my 2 cents.
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Old 09-18-2008, 09:44 AM   #240
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I say let the $$ stay the same for some time to come. It's hard for us new to OOTP9 & this league to get a grip on all the $$ stuff as is. I'm still getting a feel for players value & long term $$ planning, as well as all the other stuff. With the speed of our league I think a "loose" cash set-up may be more trouble then it's worth. As long as the $$ playing field is = then I say leave well enough alone, IMHO. I know you guys are just talking... so I just added my 2 cents.


I would agree with this myself actually. I'm just as fine leaving the money situation as is. I think the league format as is has been pretty fun.
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Old 09-18-2008, 10:35 AM   #241
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I would agree with this myself actually. I'm just as fine leaving the money situation as is. I think the league format as is has been pretty fun.

Agreed....keep it the way it is.
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Old 09-18-2008, 10:45 AM   #242
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so my file didn't take again. i'm getting a headache. why is everything so difficult to do in this game? how should i be exporting?
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Old 09-18-2008, 10:46 AM   #243
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so my file didn't take again. i'm getting a headache. why is everything so difficult to do in this game? how should i be exporting?


Did you do the export to FTP server option? You don't have any problem downloading the new file from within the game correct?
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Old 09-18-2008, 10:48 AM   #244
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Financial stuff

Well, my goal isn't to complicate anything. The problem in this league for me has always been:

1. How do we make cash more important than it is?

With the elimination of draft picks, cash could serve as an important building tool for an owner, could provide incentives -- not just to take risks -- but also to prevent the gorging process now that a lot of us undertake where we can sign guys knowing if we don't want 'em that we'll make enough cash to release 'em.

That's a tactic that is skewed towards winning teams and doesn't provide any real "penalty" for what teams want to do.

Having benefited from the status quo, I like things fine as they are, as an owner, but as Commish, I see it a bit differently and want to fix the issue that's flummoxed me since the start of the league -- without getting things too convoluted.

I tweaked MarketCalc, which is supposed to work over a period of time. The new way, is to do it yearly, which is more work for me, but ensures that there is incentive to 1) do better and 2) win and still provides a semblance of a cushion to make moves, but 3) would no longer provide a big pool of cash from which to release guys willy nilly.

I'm still tweaking, it's in raw form and we might never implement it. But it's a conversation worth exploring, because well..everyone loves to chat. And it's a fairer way of doing it, ultimately.

Here's what it looks like. I'll explain the components if you want more clarification.

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Old 09-18-2008, 10:51 AM   #245
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I dunno what the export problems are, but...I'll go through and make sure the files are being received via FTP before running the file tonight. I'll do it the conventional way and then try to import each team from their team menu, as well. muns had a problem a while back with that, told me he exported and it didn't show up, I did that and after two tries, it showed up.

So I'll try that with the non-exports tonight and see if it works. Just a heads up that you've exported via PM or out here would be useful, because then I know to look for it.
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Old 09-18-2008, 11:14 AM   #246
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Well, my goal isn't to complicate anything. The problem in this league for me has always been:

1. How do we make cash more important than it is?

With the elimination of draft picks, cash could serve as an important building tool for an owner, could provide incentives -- not just to take risks -- but also to prevent the gorging process now that a lot of us undertake where we can sign guys knowing if we don't want 'em that we'll make enough cash to release 'em.

That's a tactic that is skewed towards winning teams and doesn't provide any real "penalty" for what teams want to do.

Having benefited from the status quo, I like things fine as they are, as an owner, but as Commish, I see it a bit differently and want to fix the issue that's flummoxed me since the start of the league -- without getting things too convoluted.

I tweaked MarketCalc, which is supposed to work over a period of time. The new way, is to do it yearly, which is more work for me, but ensures that there is incentive to 1) do better and 2) win and still provides a semblance of a cushion to make moves, but 3) would no longer provide a big pool of cash from which to release guys willy nilly.

I'm still tweaking, it's in raw form and we might never implement it. But it's a conversation worth exploring, because well..everyone loves to chat. And it's a fairer way of doing it, ultimately.

Here's what it looks like. I'll explain the components if you want more clarification.


Bleh.. I'm trying to find something nice to say about this because I appreciate the hard work you're putting into it.. I just really don't like it. Keep in mind, going to this system probably would benefit me more than anyone since I've had the longest run of continued success in the league.. but I just don't think we need this. I don't think it improves the league, and I don't think it is something that really detracts from the league currently.

In your spreadsheet, I really hate how for instance Colorado is handled there, they should be perhaps the #2 $$$ team in the league behind probably just me as their run of success has been great. Even one or two down years wouldn't effect a decade of dominance to suddenly see them 3rd from the bottom. (See Cubs fans for years in the MLB).

If we wanted to go down that arguement though, you'd then have to have a type of "personality" for cities.. for instance some cities like LA has a very strong habit of fans showing up when it is the "in" thing to do, like a social setting... but then disappear when the team isn't as good. Then you have Chicago or Boston whom seem to show up no matter if the team is good or bad.. and finally you have places like Atlanta or Tampa Bay.. even when the team is dominant or having a great season, they can't get the place sold out...

We don't have player personalities on for a reason, I don't think we need city personalities or city sizes or market values to impact things either. All "Market size" does is creates an artificial handycap on some teams for the sake of "realism". It basically makes our 100 score bowlers equal to our 200 score bowlers for all intents and purposes... Our league doesn't need that...

We aren't a real league, we are a fictional league. We started off in small towns in old-school settings, to create a fictional universe. We don't have a huge difference in talent of our GMs in this league as you can see from the championship history, we've had a good number of owners end up getting titles. We have a salary cap that helps the competition level in this league so one team can't just run away with things.

When we often have brand new teams reach the FOOL Classic from year to year, it is a sign that things are going well from the competition standpoint and from the point of view if things are "Fair". So then the only purpose for this would be to add "Realism" to a league that is a fictional league. I don't find that necessary at all.

I guess I feel that the implementation of this if not done right is even worse then not doing it at all. I don't think the example you have up above with your calculator seems very realistic or fair to me is all. So instead of us trying to change things up to add something that could just make things worse.. why not just let things go as they are currently...
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Old 09-18-2008, 11:33 AM   #247
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Enough people are fine with the status quo, that I'll drop it.

I won't go into detail about how it's broken down. At least the model is there if we need to revisit it 20 seasons down the road or something.

It was just something I'd been thinking about since the start, so...to be able to get from there to having the energy to tweak the model to work for this league, is enough for me in a geekish way.

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Old 09-18-2008, 01:19 PM   #248
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Enough people are fine with the status quo, that I'll drop it.

I won't go into detail about how it's broken down. At least the model is there if we need to revisit it 20 seasons down the road or something.

It was just something I'd been thinking about since the start, so...to be able to get from there to having the energy to tweak the model to work for this league, is enough for me in a geekish way.

DC Id like to hear more about this, maybe PM if we are gonna keep it status quo?

While I can understand what Alan is saying im actually not on his side of the fence for once. I have taken full advantage of our 30 mil to release guys, and it has benefitted me, not to the extent that some GM'S have used it, but I have.

I take fliers on guys that could play and start for the weaker teams out there, and keep em around till after ST. I sign them for up to like 3 years worth 350k-1 mil a year. Then if they dont do well in ST I release them and its no biggie cause im not taking much of a hit. If we got rid of the 30 mil I couldnt take as many flyiers as I do.

There is a huge Advantage that is going on in this league, that people arent really paying attention to, which im ok with, but it needs to be out there.

Another example of whats going on, and this maybe a bit extreme but there are examples like this. Go through the history logs, youll see it.

If you sign a VET to a LONG TERM CONTRACT like some of them want. Say the guy is 34, you sign him to a 5 year deal to say 10 mil a season. He plays well his first year, he slumps his second. You release him for the 30 mil and then have that 10 mil to pay someone else that year....

GM'S know full well they arent gonna pay him that contract over those 5 years cause they know you can release him when he starts to go bad.

If I was home I could show examples of what guys have been signed for under 10 mil the past 3 or 4 seasons. Artie Wiley is a prime example....

Some Gm's here are taking HUGE advantage of the 30 mil rule and when there are better FA out there, release they guy with the big contract cause they can, and upgrade to better talent.

They arent getting hurt financially like they should be. They can easily clear the cap.

So id be willing to hear more about the issue. The system might not be perfect at the moment, but once something does come up that everyone likes, I do think this issue needs to be addressed, even though we have been doing well change free for the past few seasons.
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Old 09-18-2008, 07:30 PM   #249
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Did you do the export to FTP server option? You don't have any problem downloading the new file from within the game correct?

no prob downloading the file. i'll try again right now.
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Old 09-18-2008, 07:35 PM   #250
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no prob downloading the file. i'll try again right now.

If you can download the file from within the game, and it has the right day/week on it then we know you have the right file with the right ftp server settings. So hit export to ftp and see if it gives you the success message. If it doesn't work and you're around tonight you could always send the file by email or something to DC until he can figure out whats up.

Generally though if you can download, you should be able to upload though.
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