Werewolf CLXI - GAME OF THRONES: GAME OVER!! (See Post #2356--Page 48)

[Autumn]

Sorry I haven't been around this afternoon, busy cleaning the office.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Sorry I haven't been around this afternoon, busy cleaning the office.

WAS IT YOU WITH THE VINEGAR?!?!?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Actually I was wondering that. If an Enemy has been retained by their King can they then be voted again?

I addressed this with the Kings in PM, but just to follow up, so everyone knows, Enemies are Enemies until they're not. And when they're Enemies, they don't get votes.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Jesus, someone decided to clean the coffee pot at work, and didn't dilute the vinegar. Fucking level 3 hazmat situation right now.

Had you voted for Ser Loras I'm quite sure there would not have been a vinegar issue. Just saying.

[hoopsguy]

Or one of the folks that isn't an enemy - can't keep track of all of them.

[Coffee Warlord]

Remember. There's only one enemy, and his name is Chief.

[Chief Rum]

FINAL VOTE TALLY DAY 3


Tywin Lannister (hoopsguy): Stannis (Autumn), Karstark (MrBug), Renly (path), Cortnay (Darth), Brienne (font), Loras (murrayyyyy), Robb Stark (CW), Roose Bolton (JAG), Theon (Lathum), Davos (InBlue)-- 13 votes


Brienne of Tarth (fontisian): Cersei (Narcizo), Jaime (bhlloy)-- 1 1/2 votes


NO LYNCH-- Littlefinger (saldana), Varys (DT), Tyrion (Danny)

[Chief Rum]

Unlike yesterday, there appears to be little debate today. Nearly to a man, every noble in the realm determined that Tywin Lannister deserved their ire. Perhaps it was his ill-fated decision to point out to Pycelle that Littlefinger's vote had been missed that fateful day, throwing the kingdom into chaos with an unheard of tie? Or maybe it's just because he's rich and powerful and everyone is jealous?

Whatever the reason, the mob has spoken. The King on the Iron Throne, Tywin's own grandson, chooses not to speak before the announcement is made. The Imp chooses not to speak for him either. Only Cersei and Jaime speak up for their father.

So now the moment of truth has arrived. For Tywin Lannister, THE LANNISTER, and head of the most powerful family in Westeros and Hand to the King, has been declared an Enemy of the Realm!

Now is the fun part... who's going to tell him and his thousands of men?

King Joffrey is on the clock with his decision. And will Tywin flee?

DAY FOUR HAS BEGUN. TENTATIVE DEADLINE 10 P.M. EST (7 P.M. PDT) TUESDAY!

I may need to adjust that time, if my second job makes me work Tuesday for some reason (they usually don't). Or it will just run late.

PMs will go out in the next few hours. Soft deadline for Tywin/Joffrey decisions 1 p.m. EST/10 a.m. PDT on Tuesday.

Enjoy your holiday weekend, folks.

[Chief Rum]

The Dragonstone banner has left Winterfell and King Robb Stark, and is currently making its way down through the Twins back to Dragonstone. The parlay between the Wolf and Stannis has apparently ended.

[MrBug708]

Hand of the king, Cersei?

[claphamsa]

All, I have to send my computer back to dell..... And i dropped a bottle of wine on my work computer (fuck me) so........ I'm fucked, and computer less for a number of days now. I have the iPad.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

All, I have to send my computer back to dell..... And i dropped a bottle of wine on my work computer (fuck me) so........ I'm fucked, and computer less for a number of days now. I have the iPad.

[OOC] damn that's an impressive run of bad luck clusterfuck [/OOC]

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Hand of the king, Cersei?

Thank you my lord. I would not be wholly adverse to marrying Robb although he would have to have the mutt put down. I would prefer he wooed me himself mind.

[Narcizo]

Dear father

I would ask you to carefully consider, or should I say, reconsider your position. Today will mark the end of the uneasy alliance between the Baratheons and Stark. Two of them will turn on one of the others. But which? Consider what the last few days have taught us. The weak are envious of the strong and will combine to pull them down. Should you side with Lord Renly then it is sure that Winterfell and Dragonstone will combine to attack Storm's End. The Kings realise this as well, accepting you into their house would be as good as attacking the other two houses. Casterly Rock is rich in men and resources but not sufficiently rich to equal the might of one of the houses. As Stannis realised but it would seem Renly does not is that in this game of thrones it does not pay to be the strongest until there are but two opponents. Thus, there is a risk that you will be hunted down and killed if you leave your grandson's court, in much the same way Clegane was. Should you survive a day you will have to side with the house alone once it is decided who will form the alliance, as a poisoned chalice you will bring bad luck on whichever house accepts you.

Further the alliance is over and the house that finds itself standing alone will have to find an ally. That ally will be the Lannister house. If you remain at Joffrey's court then that alliance will have strength, possibly enough to counter the opposing alliance.

It is not an enviable decision you face but remember who has forced this decision on you. And remember that we always pay our debts.

[Coffee Warlord]

I wouldn't worry too much about the so-called mutt. He obeys, even when his nature demands otherwise.

[hoopsguy]

It is curious that you think I would stand with Renly, when he has so recently refused us. As you noted, we Lannisters pay our debts.

All options are heavily weighted with both risk and reward at this time. Both Joffrey and I, together and separately in the coming hours, have much to consider.

The phrase "poisoned chalice" is a very interesting one indeed ...

[hoopsguy]

Bah, I sound too much like Varys in that last communication. No one wants that.

[Coffee Warlord]

A man would be amused.

[path12]

Cersei certainly believes she has a talent for knowing what is going on considering it appears she has had little direct communication. I put as much stock into her machinations as I do the Little Bird Report, quite little.

Ah well. I guess the Westeros News Channel does have 24 hours to fill.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by path12

Cersei certainly believes she has a talent for knowing what is going on considering it appears she has had little direct communication. I put as much stock into her machinations as I do the Little Bird Report, quite little

I do not require much direct communication to ascertain things my lord. And I place just as much stock in your protestations as you do in my "machinations".

[Narcizo]

I believe it may be in its place to mention that, while the votes of the members of the small council are insignificant at the moment, as the tides of war sweep the lands and nobles die, they will prove of increased importance. If Jaime is killed in any other way than in honest battle then I will make it my purpose to avenge his death in any and every way at my disposal.

[MrBug708]

And if it is by a faceless man?

[Narcizo]

I have a hard time believing anyone would spend the required amount to kill Jaime when there are kings that could be removed. Except, perhaps, yourself. And I doubt you have the coin.

[MrBug708]

I am not the only person who wishes Jaime dead but I think most would pick you over him

[Narcizo]

I am aware that there are those who would prefer me out of the way. I would find myself flattered should someone be prepared to spend the necessary coin to silence me. Although the pride would be tempered by the knowledge that it was the act of a fool.

[Narcizo]

I demand that something happens before the morrow. I am so bored I have taken to taunting my brother. Easy and comfortable, like a well-worn glove. But unsatisfying and quickly tiresome.

The craven alliance have not the balls to attack the Lannister lion despite kicking it for the last three days. The Maker knows my husband had his faults but were he cut from the same cloth as his brothers and the wolf cub we would still be labouring under the yoke of the Tyrant to this day.

[Danny]

Cercei is lonely as no one is willing to take up her bed anymore.

[mauchow]

At 61 I could consider bedding Cersei.

[Coffee Warlord]

I suggest a grand alliance. All 4 Kings march on the fortress of Chieftan Rum.

[Autumn]

Oh good, I just realized deadline was on Tuesday. I was thinking it was tonight and was worried htat nobody was around. Now i can go back to not doing anything! (except for bathing and feeding and getting ready for bed two kids.)

[JAG]

Originally Posted by mauchow

At 61 I could consider bedding Cersei.

One of the perks of getting removed from the Kingsguard.

Meanwhile, I realized earlier today that Game met real life as I channeled my inner Bolton when removing a splinter from my 3 year old's finger.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by JAG

Meanwhile, I realized earlier today that Game met real life as I channeled my inner Bolton when removing a splinter from my 3 year old's finger.

(Sounds painful for the chiddy. Not sure I would want Bolton removing a splinter from my finger - he'd take off all the skin "Ah, I just have to clear away this skin to get a grip. And this bit is in the way" etc etc)

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Danny

Cercei is lonely as no one is willing to take up her bed anymore.

While you provide yourself with a constant stream of harlots to forget your, ahem, short-comings.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by mauchow

At 61 I could consider bedding Cersei.

One would imagine that at 61 considering is all you would be able to achieve. Just don't "consider" too hard or your poor heart might give up.

[Danny]

I assure you, I achieve great distance on my comings

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

The phrase "poisoned chalice" is a very interesting one indeed ...

Surely you cannot be this foolish father. Why do you delay your decision?

Are you safe in Joffrey's court? No, not entirely but it seems the safest for you. If you leave then I fear for Jaime's life. I suspect you may also thwart the little runt's plans, a cause I think we can both agree is worthwhile.

Do you have a contact outside of Joffrey's court? Perhaps I have been misinformed, perhaps you do not. But you certainly have had contact with others and believe that they will listen to you. But there is a world of difference between a willingness to listen and doing what you want. At least at the moment you have the ear of your liege.

[hoopsguy]

The concern over Joffrey's court is that it seems to be doomed with or without my presence. So that weighs on the decision process to some extent.

The notion of having influence beyond that court is a separate matter entirely. I would suggest the isolation that you have felt over the past week has been shared by nearly all of House Lannister the past several days. It appears that all ravens for the other houses are otherwise engaged with non-Lannister matters. Obviously this also factors into a decision.

[DaddyTorgo]

[ooc] i'm around, but I've got some work-meetings this morning and a conference call at 2pm...i may be like...less available than is typical for me this morning. [/ooc]

[Autumn]

Given what the kings have learned of the result of the damage to their honor, I think it very unlikely that Joffrey is willing to keep Tywin a member of his court. To do so would be to assure his defeat. At least without Twyin there would be a chance of him building his court back up.

[DaddyTorgo]

Interesting...very interesting.

-Lord Varys

[Narcizo]

What do the kings know about the damage to their honour? Perhaps this is information that my father should have. And possibly my son as well. If Joffrey cannot afford to keep my father at court then why haven't we moved on already? There is no way a bannerman can be executed by their liege unless they are stupid or, no, just stupid.

I find it very doubtful that Joffrey will be able to build his court back up. Who would choose to bend the knee to him if my father does not remain in his court?

[Coffee Warlord]

And the wait to see what Tywin does continues.

[Autumn]

I wouldn't call it stupid, Cersei. If Tywin is executed, Joffrey at least retains the lands he held. If he holds on to Tywin, despite the desire of the realm to have him executed, then the people may well refuse to serve your son. It would be a slower death, I suppose.

Tywin has the choice to leave his justice up to his grandson, and hope the boy is sentimental, in which case the two will slowly fade out of the game of thrones. Or Tywin can choose to bend his knee to another and play kingmaker. I wonder how sentimental a man Lord Tywin is.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I wouldn't call it stupid, Cersei. If Tywin is executed, Joffrey at least retains the lands he held. If he holds on to Tywin, despite the desire of the realm to have him executed, then the people may well refuse to serve your son. It would be a slower death, I suppose.

Tywin has the choice to leave his justice up to his grandson, and hope the boy is sentimental, in which case the two will slowly fade out of the game of thrones. Or Tywin can choose to bend his knee to another and play kingmaker. I wonder how sentimental a man Lord Tywin is.

Lord Tywin would be a powerful piece indeed, however any who accepted him into their service would have to contend with the likelihood that they would immediately become the target of a united effort against them. For this reason I believe that the likeliest course of action is that Lord Tywin will remain right where he is - regardless of the hit that it causes Lord Joffrey. We are, after all, only in the early stages of the game of thrones.

-Lord Varys

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Tywin has the choice to leave his justice up to his grandson, and hope the boy is sentimental, in which case the two will slowly fade out of the game of thrones. Or Tywin can choose to bend his knee to another and play kingmaker. I wonder how sentimental a man Lord Tywin is.

A bannerman would be a fool to leave themselves in the position where their liege would be able to execute them. My father is no fool. As Varys hypothesizes Tywin would more likely act as an albatross round the neck rather than a kingmaker at this stage. I would imagine he will be left to his own devices until it is clear which way the alliance splits.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

A bannerman would be a fool to leave themselves in the position where their liege would be able to execute them. My father is no fool. As Varys hypothesizes Tywin would more likely act as an albatross round the neck rather than a kingmaker at this stage. I would imagine he will be left to his own devices until it is clear which way the alliance splits.

Left to his own devices, or captured and executed. I do not know at this juncture which is more likely. There is much talk afoot of what will be done with Lord Tywin if he flees, with other claimants vying to offer him safe heaven. I fear however, that not all of these offers are trustworthy, and that once fled & received, Lord Tywin may be executed rather than accepted into the service of another.

-Lord Varys

[MrBug708]

I would say that most that flee would probably not want to head to Stannis. Especially a Lannister bannerman.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

I would say that most that flee would probably not want to head to Stannis. Especially a Lannister bannerman.

Nor, for that matter, would Lord Renly be an attractive option, given what happened to the last Lannister to flee there. Which leaves only Lord Stark as a refuge, and the Houses Stark and Lannister can hardly be said to be on friendly terms at the present time.

-Lord Varys

[Coffee Warlord]

There's only one Lannister who I'm at conflict with, and he's sitting on the throne in King's Landing right now.

[Narcizo]

Except executing my father would aid my son greatly. I doubt any king will execute my father as Casterly Rock will immediately be inherited by Joffrey.