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Johnny93g · 07-30-2005, 11:21 AM

I agree, as ive read leaf message boards where people expect us to somehow offer the max to every legitimate star out there......I think the Toronto media is overlly critical of the leafs, ecspecially Howard Berger, who basically slams everything they do.....the players I mentioned are guys ive either seen say something, or read in the media, that want to play in Toronto, and I believe they are realistic targets. I very easily could be wrong, and we could get none of them, but as a fan, Id like to think its possible...

Honolulu_Blue · 07-30-2005, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

But is that the media, or the fans on the message boards? Every team has fans who wear rose-colored glasses. The Leafs have more of those fans than anyone else because they have more desperate, dellusional, and rabid fans, period, than anyone else.

Of course, a wise man once said that the media is the message board.

(Dead silence.)

Right. Carry on.

Fixed.

You can't blame 'em. Being the #1 franchise in the NHL and not winning a Cup for like a gajillion years.

ice4277 · 07-30-2005, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Being the #1 franchise in the NHL and not winning a Cup for like a gajillion years.

Can you really be the former without having any of the latter?

klayman · 07-30-2005, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ice4277

Can you really be the former without having any of the latter?

In their minds, yes.

bbor · 07-30-2005, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

You're my boy, bbor, but I have to ask...

Where did this "Toronto media" thing come from? Seems like everyone loves to to play the "Toronto media thinks the Leafs are the greatest" deal, and I just don't see it.

Now if you're counting Stormin' Norman as "media", fine. But the real media -- Strachan, Cox, Berger, McCown, etc. -- spend all their time crapping all over the Leafs for everything they do. Compared to a town like Ottawa, where the media practically wave pom-poms in the press box, the Toronto pundits never think the team will do anything right.

Or am I out of the loop, not living in T.O. anymore?

Cox is an Ass-clown...right up there with Fraser in my books.
Strachan...well....i don't read him....nuff said.
Berger is o.k....but he is real critical.....not Cox critical but close.
McCown knows nothing...i don't think he's been to a live sporting event since UNLV won the NCAA's.

If you listen to sports updates here every update they mention another player "coming" to Toronto....and they always add "and he's from Ontario so maybe he'll take less to come here"

Drives me fuckin nuts.

TazFTW · 07-30-2005, 04:21 PM

Free agency has been pushed back

12 hours. Instead of starting at midnight it will start at noon. The agents complained about being put into the position of having to call their clients during the wee morning.

Chubby · 07-30-2005, 09:10 PM

Sabres not qualfying Satan is pissing me off. They should have tendered him an offer then traded him for ANYTHING since that's better than the nothing we'll get for him now.

RPI-Fan · 07-30-2005, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

Sabres not qualfying Satan is pissing me off. They should have tendered him an offer then traded him for ANYTHING since that's better than the nothing we'll get for him now.

Yea', but if he turns around and accepts the offer, and nobody wants him for that price, you're stuck with him. I suspect the Sabres had an idea that nobody would have traded for him at his QO level.

Karim · 07-30-2005, 11:29 PM

My absolute biggest beef with the Bettman regime was removing the traditional conference and divisional names/alignment in favour of geographical alignment to satisfy newcomers to the game who 'didn't understand the funny names'. It was unique to hockey and part of its history.

This article (use http://www.bugmenot.com to by-pass registration):
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune....s-hockey-print

suggests that a change back is being considered as early as next season. It would feature a return to the traditional 1 vs. 4, 2 vs. 3, divisional rivalries of the past.

The 'new' league structure could return as early as next season and would look like this:

CLARENCE CAMPBELL CONFERENCE

NORRIS DIVISION
Chicago Blackhawks
Columbus Blue Jackets
Dallas Stars
Detroit Red Wings
Minnesota Wild
Nashville Predators
St. Louis Blues

SMYTHE DIVISION
Anaheim Mighty Ducks
Calgary Flames
Colorado Avalanche
Edmonton Oilers
Los Angeles Kings
Phoenix Coyotes
San Jose Sharks
Vancouver Canucks

PRINCE OF WALES CONFERENCE

PATRICK DIVISION
Florida Panthers
New York Rangers
New York Islanders
New Jersey Devils
Philadelphia Flyers
Pittsburgh Penguins
Tampa Bay Lightning
Washington Capitals

ADAMS DIVISION
Atlanta Thrashers
Boston Bruins
Buffalo Sabres
Carolina Hurricanes
Montreal Canadiens
Ottawa Senators
Toronto Maple Leafs

This would be f***ing awesome!!! What a way to repay long-time loyal fans!

bbor · 07-31-2005, 12:15 AM

Leafs need to be back in the (Chuck) Norris division for things to be proper.

TazFTW · 07-31-2005, 05:43 AM

Interesting comment on Eklund's blog

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While I wrote this article another player, arguably one of the best at his position, instant messaged me claiming he has yet to talk to anyone from the team he played for. He said he gets the impression that the team "doesn't have a clue which way is up."

If Eklund is not bs'ing I wonder who could that be. First thought was Modano because I also follow the Stars and the only thing I've heard on the Modano front was him saying his agent will meet with Doug Armstrong during the week but apparently that did not happen because Modano then said his agent will meet with Armstrong at the draft. The problem with Modano is that I don't think people would currently consider him as one of the best at his position.

Who else? Iginla? I haven't heard anything concerning him and the Flames. Lecavalier? St. Louis? Kovalchuk?

Honolulu_Blue · 07-31-2005, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by bbor

Leafs need to be back in the (Chuck) Norris division for things to be proper.

Can I get a HELL YEAH!!

Karim · 07-31-2005, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

Who else? Iginla? I haven't heard anything concerning him and the Flames.

Sutter met with Meehan in Ottawa. 'Initial talks' are underway but I think the deal could take too long and hamper Sutter's ability to sign any free agents. The RFAs really need to be in place BEFORE you go shopping.

Maple Leafs · 07-31-2005, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bbor

Leafs need to be back in the (Chuck) Norris division for things to be proper.

Damn right. And we also need to battle with Minnesota for the last playoff spot every year, with it coming down to the last night of the season with both teams tied with 52 points.

TazFTW · 07-31-2005, 03:21 PM

Interesting snippet from a TSN article.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp...66&hubName=nhl

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Niedermayer and Forsberg are probably the only two free agents who have any chance of touching $7.8 million, but one team executive who requested anonymity believes the unofficial cap on stars will be $5 million a year. That's because while the salary cap this season is set at $39 million per team based on expected league-wide revenues of $1.7 billion, several GMs believe the damage done to the business from a year without hockey will bring revenues and therefore the cap down for the 2006-07 season - perhaps as low as $35 million.

Can't wait to see how FA shapes up.

Draft Dodger · 07-31-2005, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

Interesting snippet from a TSN article.

Can't wait to see how FA shapes up.

I would say Thornton too will be up there, possibly more than Niedermeyer.

Draft Dodger · 07-31-2005, 03:34 PM

just saw that the Avs drafted Paul Stastny (Peter's son). very cool.

TazFTW · 07-31-2005, 03:48 PM

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I would say Thornton too will be up there, possibly more than Niedermeyer.

I don't know if he would get that this year. The Bruins don't seem to want to pay him that much and because he is an RFA, I don't see another team paying the max and giving up multiple first rounders.

RPI-Fan · 07-31-2005, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

just saw that the Avs drafted Paul Stastny (Peter's son). very cool.

He's a good hockey player, saw him a few times on TV for DU.

Wolfpack · 07-31-2005, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bbor

Leafs need to be back in the (Chuck) Norris division for things to be proper.

Trade Toronto and Nashville and it'd work. Also, you can up the bloodsport quotient by moving Colorado into the Norris, especially if the new NHL is going to place emphasis on division rivalries.

So, it'd be a Norris Division of Detroit, Toronto, Chicago, Columbus, Dallas, Colorado, Minnesota and St. Louis. Feel the love.

Draft Dodger · 07-31-2005, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfpack

So, it'd be a Norris Division of Detroit, Toronto, Chicago, Columbus, Dallas, Colorado, Minnesota and St. Louis. Feel the love.

*salivates*

TazFTW · 07-31-2005, 10:33 PM

Stars re-sign Sergei Zubov to a 3 year deal worth $12 million.

Maple Leafs · 07-31-2005, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

Stars re-sign Sergei Zubov to a 3 year deal worth $12 million.

Interesting... helps set the benchmark in the "new" NHL. That seems higher than what I thought he'd be worth.

Honolulu_Blue · 07-31-2005, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Interesting... helps set the benchmark in the "new" NHL. That seems higher than what I thought he'd be worth.

I was thinking the exact same thing. So a 35 year old mobile, puck moving defenseman is worth $4 million a year? So when he's a 38 year old mobile, puck moving defenseman he will be counting $4 million against the cap? Huh.

Maple Leafs · 07-31-2005, 11:34 PM

Wait, Zubov is 35?

Jesus, I must be 100 years old now...

bbor · 08-01-2005, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Jesus, I must be 100 years old now...

That must make Muckler 175 years old then.

sachmo71 · 08-01-2005, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I was thinking the exact same thing. So a 35 year old mobile, puck moving defenseman is worth $4 million a year? So when he's a 38 year old mobile, puck moving defenseman he will be counting $4 million against the cap? Huh.

This is the guy who paid Pierre Turgeon $7 million per year.

Honolulu_Blue · 08-01-2005, 10:47 AM

I have been checking out this Eklund guy's site. Since I have been following it he's batting .000. That said, it's still a fund place to check out rumors even if they're as about as accurate as me taking a dart with a free agent's name on it and throwing it at board with all 30 teams. It's about that random.

Still, I love the idea of Thornton being traded to Detroit even if it did cost us Datsyuk.

Maple Leafs · 08-01-2005, 10:59 AM

Leafs qualify Belak and Perrot, which would seem to be a bad sign for Domi sticking around.

They also wisely held onto Pilar... I really think this kid is going to be a good defenceman.

TazFTW · 08-01-2005, 11:09 AM

And the free agency period begins!

HomerJSimpson · 08-01-2005, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

And the free agency period begins!

Since I've recently gotten into EHM, it was fun to look at the Thrashers tendered/non-tendered group and feel like I knew who they were.

Maple Leafs · 08-01-2005, 12:34 PM

No announcements yet.

Maybe Naslund, Forsberg and Neidermayer's chartered plane was delayed on the way into Toronto?

Honolulu_Blue · 08-01-2005, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

No announcements yet.

Maybe Naslund, Forsberg and Neidermayer's chartered plane was delayed on the way into Toronto?

The only likely explanation.

So, the Bruins get Isbister from the Oil for a 4th rounder. I hope that wasn't the "HUGE" deal O'Connell was refering to.

It's odd. The Leafs get O'Neill for a conditional 4th rounder. Isbister goes to Boston for a 4th rounder. But Philly gets a 2nd round pick from the Ducks for Todd Fedoruk? Huh?

Johnny93g · 08-01-2005, 01:39 PM

Roberts and Niewy to FLorida

Roberts and Nieuwendyk look like they signed with the Panthers. Both 2 year deals for 2.25 million a season.....thats a little rich, and a longer contract then i would have given them....Both still good players, but in this system, i say both are overpaid

Honolulu_Blue · 08-01-2005, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny93g

Roberts and Niewy to FLorida

Roberts and Nieuwendyk look like they signed with the Panthers. Both 2 year deals for 2.25 million a season.....thats a little rich, and a longer contract then i would have given them....Both still good players, but in this system, i say both are overpaid

Wow. I agree. Jeff O'Neill gets $1.5 and Nieuwendyk and Roberts $2.25 each? Sacre bleu! I don't know what's going on. It's all so confusing.

Well, the Panthers get a lot older and the Leafs get younger. Keenan is a mad man.

I see this as a couple of old buddies deciding to kick it Florida-style in the twlight of their careers. Some sun. Some beach. Some fishing. It's all good...

Maple Leafs · 08-01-2005, 01:48 PM

I guess JFJ and Quinn had made up their minds that they weren't interested in keeping Roberts and Niewendyk. Good signing by FLA... can't believe the Sens didn't make a run at those two.

Maple Leafs · 08-01-2005, 01:49 PM

Eklund says Iginla signs a 3x$6.5M deal, effectively setting the bar.

TazFTW · 08-01-2005, 01:55 PM

Oilers trade Brad Ibister to the Bruins for a 2006 4th rounder.

sachmo71 · 08-01-2005, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

Oilers trade Brad Ibister to the Bruins for a 2006 4th rounder.

Yup.

TazFTW · 08-01-2005, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Eklund says Iginla signs a 3x$6.5M deal, effectively setting the bar.

If that's true and it is the bar. The Stars better bring back Modano, the cheap bastards.

Eklund added that Iginla said he would sign for less if they went hard for Niedermeyer.

Wolfpack · 08-01-2005, 03:14 PM

It'll be an interesting time. I think the GMs are going to be struggling a little bit with their spending, particularly the ones that used to have a blank check. It took NFL GMs a while to get used to the cap there, but it's become such a science now. Wonder how long it'll take the NHL GMs to get used to the system and thinking in terms of both present and future cap numbers?

TazFTW · 08-01-2005, 03:18 PM

I've heard that some of the teams hired ex-NFL and/or ex-NBA guys to help navigate the cap.

Karim · 08-01-2005, 03:30 PM

Ville Niemenen was the only 'name' player not qualified by Sutter.

No doubt Sutter is working on the Iginla deal as I type because he stated unequivocally several times that no one else can be signed until Iggy is inked. It shapes the entire payroll/roster.

Honolulu_Blue · 08-01-2005, 06:25 PM

TSN is reporting that the Wild have signed Andrei Nazarov (no terms available) and the Blues signed Aaron Downey (no terms available).

I guess it starts not with a bang, but with a whimper...

What's with all these teams gathering tough guys? Fedoruk getting trader. Perrot/Belak signed. And now Nazarov and Downey... I love the tough guys, but I thought this was supposed to be the "kinder/gentler" NHL where speed, grace, and skill were valued over this type of brutishness.

Maple Leafs · 08-01-2005, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I thought this was supposed to be the "kinder/gentler" NHL where speed, grace, and skill were valued ...

And who better to make sure the speedy, graceful skilled guys are allowed to do their thing?

(Yes, I'm a caveman.)

General Mike · 08-01-2005, 07:30 PM

what are the Devils doing?

Draft Dodger · 08-01-2005, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

I've heard that some of the teams hired ex-NFL and/or ex-NBA guys to help navigate the cap.

well, the ex-NBA guy thing hasn't worked out for them so far...

sachmo71 · 08-01-2005, 08:27 PM

Downey one punched that guy from Carolina a few years ago...thing of beauty.

bbor · 08-01-2005, 09:00 PM

Hrm.....Newy and Roberts are gone.

Who fills the holes?

TazFTW · 08-01-2005, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

What's with all these teams gathering tough guys? Fedoruk getting trader. Perrot/Belak signed. And now Nazarov and Downey... I love the tough guys, but I thought this was supposed to be the "kinder/gentler" NHL where speed, grace, and skill were valued over this type of brutishness.

Fans love hockey fights?

Also I think they want to draw in more fans by getting them nostagic for their first glimpse of hockey.

Go fat guys!

07-30-2005, 11:21 AM	#201
Johnny93g College Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Toronto	I agree, as ive read leaf message boards where people expect us to somehow offer the max to every legitimate star out there......I think the Toronto media is overlly critical of the leafs, ecspecially Howard Berger, who basically slams everything they do.....the players I mentioned are guys ive either seen say something, or read in the media, that want to play in Toronto, and I believe they are realistic targets. I very easily could be wrong, and we could get none of them, but as a fan, Id like to think its possible... __________________ FOOL- Toronto Marlboros FOOL Classic Champions 2073, 2078, 2079, 2114, 2116, 2117, 2129, 2152, 2155, 2169, 2192 46 35 FOOL H- New York Giants World Champions 1914, 1928 BBCF: Notre Dame TML

07-30-2005, 11:29 PM	#209
Karim College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Calgary	My absolute biggest beef with the Bettman regime was removing the traditional conference and divisional names/alignment in favour of geographical alignment to satisfy newcomers to the game who 'didn't understand the funny names'. It was unique to hockey and part of its history. This article (use http://www.bugmenot.com to by-pass registration): http://chicagosports.chicagotribune....s-hockey-print suggests that a change back is being considered as early as next season. It would feature a return to the traditional 1 vs. 4, 2 vs. 3, divisional rivalries of the past. The 'new' league structure could return as early as next season and would look like this: CLARENCE CAMPBELL CONFERENCE NORRIS DIVISION Chicago Blackhawks Columbus Blue Jackets Dallas Stars Detroit Red Wings Minnesota Wild Nashville Predators St. Louis Blues SMYTHE DIVISION Anaheim Mighty Ducks Calgary Flames Colorado Avalanche Edmonton Oilers Los Angeles Kings Phoenix Coyotes San Jose Sharks Vancouver Canucks PRINCE OF WALES CONFERENCE PATRICK DIVISION Florida Panthers New York Rangers New York Islanders New Jersey Devils Philadelphia Flyers Pittsburgh Penguins Tampa Bay Lightning Washington Capitals ADAMS DIVISION Atlanta Thrashers Boston Bruins Buffalo Sabres Carolina Hurricanes Montreal Canadiens Ottawa Senators Toronto Maple Leafs This would be f**ing awesome!!! What a way to repay long-time loyal fans! Last edited by Karim : 07-30-2005 at 11:30 PM.*

07-31-2005, 12:15 AM	#210
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	Leafs need to be back in the (Chuck) Norris division for things to be proper. __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

07-31-2005, 03:34 PM	#217
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	just saw that the Avs drafted Paul Stastny (Peter's son). very cool. __________________ Mile High Hockey

07-31-2005, 11:34 PM	#225
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Wait, Zubov is 35? Jesus, I must be 100 years old now... __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

07-30-2005, 04:21 PM	#206
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Free agency has been pushed back 12 hours. Instead of starting at midnight it will start at noon. The agents complained about being put into the position of having to call their clients during the wee morning.

07-30-2005, 09:10 PM	#207
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	Sabres not qualfying Satan is pissing me off. They should have tendered him an offer then traded him for ANYTHING since that's better than the nothing we'll get for him now.

07-31-2005, 10:33 PM	#222
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Stars re-sign Sergei Zubov to a 3 year deal worth $12 million.

08-01-2005, 10:47 AM	#228
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	I have been checking out this Eklund guy's site. Since I have been following it he's batting .000. That said, it's still a fund place to check out rumors even if they're as about as accurate as me taking a dart with a free agent's name on it and throwing it at board with all 30 teams. It's about that random. Still, I love the idea of Thornton being traded to Detroit even if it did cost us Datsyuk. __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

08-01-2005, 10:59 AM	#229
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Leafs qualify Belak and Perrot, which would seem to be a bad sign for Domi sticking around. They also wisely held onto Pilar... I really think this kid is going to be a good defenceman. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

08-01-2005, 11:09 AM	#230
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	And the free agency period begins!

08-01-2005, 12:34 PM	#232
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	No announcements yet. Maybe Naslund, Forsberg and Neidermayer's chartered plane was delayed on the way into Toronto? __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

08-01-2005, 01:39 PM	#234
Johnny93g College Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Toronto	Roberts and Niewy to FLorida Roberts and Nieuwendyk look like they signed with the Panthers. Both 2 year deals for 2.25 million a season.....thats a little rich, and a longer contract then i would have given them....Both still good players, but in this system, i say both are overpaid __________________ FOOL- Toronto Marlboros FOOL Classic Champions 2073, 2078, 2079, 2114, 2116, 2117, 2129, 2152, 2155, 2169, 2192 46 35 FOOL H- New York Giants World Champions 1914, 1928 BBCF: Notre Dame TML

08-01-2005, 01:48 PM	#236
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	I guess JFJ and Quinn had made up their minds that they weren't interested in keeping Roberts and Niewendyk. Good signing by FLA... can't believe the Sens didn't make a run at those two. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

08-01-2005, 01:49 PM	#237
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Eklund says Iginla signs a 3x$6.5M deal, effectively setting the bar. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

08-01-2005, 01:55 PM	#238
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Oilers trade Brad Ibister to the Bruins for a 2006 4th rounder.

08-01-2005, 03:14 PM	#241
Wolfpack Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC	It'll be an interesting time. I think the GMs are going to be struggling a little bit with their spending, particularly the ones that used to have a blank check. It took NFL GMs a while to get used to the cap there, but it's become such a science now. Wonder how long it'll take the NHL GMs to get used to the system and thinking in terms of both present and future cap numbers?

08-01-2005, 03:18 PM	#242
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	I've heard that some of the teams hired ex-NFL and/or ex-NBA guys to help navigate the cap.

08-01-2005, 03:30 PM	#243
Karim College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Calgary	Ville Niemenen was the only 'name' player not qualified by Sutter. No doubt Sutter is working on the Iginla deal as I type because he stated unequivocally several times that no one else can be signed until Iggy is inked. It shapes the entire payroll/roster.

08-01-2005, 06:25 PM	#244
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	TSN is reporting that the Wild have signed Andrei Nazarov (no terms available) and the Blues signed Aaron Downey (no terms available). I guess it starts not with a bang, but with a whimper... What's with all these teams gathering tough guys? Fedoruk getting trader. Perrot/Belak signed. And now Nazarov and Downey... I love the tough guys, but I thought this was supposed to be the "kinder/gentler" NHL where speed, grace, and skill were valued over this type of brutishness. __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

08-01-2005, 07:30 PM	#246
General Mike Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The State of Rutgers	what are the Devils doing?

08-01-2005, 08:27 PM	#248
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	Downey one punched that guy from Carolina a few years ago...thing of beauty.

08-01-2005, 09:00 PM	#249
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	Hrm.....Newy and Roberts are gone. Who fills the holes? __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

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