Katrina hits Category 5. - Page 9

Yuskevich · 08-30-2005, 12:18 PM

"How on earth did you happen to stumble across our humble little forum for the first time ever & of all the threads pick this one to post in for your debut?
Or are you a long-time lurker so moved by all of this that you decided today was the day that you just had to post something? Or is it possible that you're a regular who wanted to troll this thread in an attempt to sidetrack it into another round of political based argument but lacked the balls to do it under your own name? Inquiring minds want to know."

Ummm, I fail to see the relevance of these questions, and, hard as it might be for you to believe, in raising the question of whether comparisons between an event that killed 200,000+ people and an event that (let us hope) killed no more several hundred people are misleading and inappropriate, I have no intention of turning this into a "political based argument," although I must admit that I am not entirely certain what you mean by that phrase.

Unlike you, I am not going to flame those who write things with which I disagree. Some here have offered thoughtful explanations of why they think likening the tsunami to Katrina is justified. Needless to say, I am still maintain that the comparisons are inappropriate at best, but I would much rather have someone disagree with me intelligently than agree with me stupidly.

Incidentally, there is no relationship between the number of one's posts and the quality of one's posts. Everyone has to post for a first time.

wbatl1 · 08-30-2005, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Yuskevich

Incidentally, there is no relationship between the number of one's posts and the quality of one's posts. Everyone has to post for a first time.

While Jon sometimes steps over the line, I too find it interesting that your first post is one that could very likely start a major battle in the political debate.

Eaglesfan27 · 08-30-2005, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerJSimpson

So, what's the plan, EF? What is your hospital going to do if it is months before than can get the building back into condition?

I wish I knew. My cellphone won't work because it is Verizon Wireless and their tower is down. I'm out of touch with everyone, and I don't know what the plan is. From hearing Mayor Nagin say that it will be at least 48-72 hours until people can return and hearing experts say it might be weeks, we just extended our hotel room until Thursday. I'm waiting for more damage assessment to be done today to help me formulate a plan. For now, we are about to go eat some lunch and catch another movie (can't watch the news 24 hours/day or might become too depressed.)

JonInMiddleGA · 08-30-2005, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Yuskevich

I have no intention of turning this into a "political based argument,"

And I, quite frankly, don't believe that for an instant.

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Incidentally, there is no relationship between the number of one's posts and the quality of one's posts. Everyone has to post for a first time.

Yep, there's a first time for everyone. I simply don't believe this happens to be yours.

Yuskevich · 08-30-2005, 12:40 PM

Hang in there, EF and all the other folks directly affected by Katrina.

I am certainly lucky never to have experienced a hurricane-related disruption of the sort that you folks are going to have to deal with. The worst one I experienced was Isabel, which left us without electricity for about two weeks. Waiting in line for hours for gas and ice, spending hours of each day scrounging for food, not knowing when one could go back to work or the kids could go back to school--it got very trying very fast, and it was nothing compared to the recovery that you folks are going to have to make.

I expect that the American people will respond with their customary generosity, though, and that should help some.

Farrah Whitworth-Rahn · 08-30-2005, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I wish I knew. My cellphone won't work because it is Verizon Wireless and their tower is down. I'm out of touch with everyone, and I don't know what the plan is. From hearing Mayor Nagin say that it will be at least 48-72 hours until people can return and hearing experts say it might be weeks, we just extended our hotel room until Thursday. I'm waiting for more damage assessment to be done today to help me formulate a plan. For now, we are about to go eat some lunch and catch another movie (can't watch the news 24 hours/day or might become too depressed.)

This is really none of my business, but I'm curious so I'm going to ask. In situations like these, when you have to evacuate, does homeowners insurance reimburse you for lodging costs while your away?

Yuskevich · 08-30-2005, 12:46 PM

Don't worry, folks, this is the second-to-last-thing that I have to say in this exchange

"Originally Posted by Yuskevich
I have no intention of turning this into a "political based argument,"

And I, quite frankly, don't believe that for an instant."

Maybe you know me better than I know myself. I know how we can find out--if you are so certain that I am trying to start a political based argument, could you tell me what my politics are? Tell me which presidential candidates I have voted for since 1988, and I promise to tell the truth as to whether you guessed correctly or not. If you can get them right, then maybe I myself failed to recognize the true nature of my post.

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"Incidentally, there is no relationship between the number of one's posts and the quality of one's posts. Everyone has to post for a first time.

Yep, there's a first time for everyone. I simply don't believe this happens to be yours."

You'll have to trust me whan I tell you that you are simply wrong on this one.

Yuskevich · 08-30-2005, 12:47 PM

Don't worry, folks, this is the second-to-last-thing that I have to say in this exchange

"Originally Posted by Yuskevich
I have no intention of turning this into a "political based argument,"

And I, quite frankly, don't believe that for an instant."

Maybe you know me better than I know myself. I know how we can find out--if you are so certain that I am trying to start a political based argument, could you tell me what my politics are? Tell me which presidential candidates I have voted for since 1988, and I promise to tell the truth as to whether you guessed correctly or not. If you can get them right, then maybe I myself failed to recognize the true nature of my post.

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"Incidentally, there is no relationship between the number of one's posts and the quality of one's posts. Everyone has to post for a first time.

Yep, there's a first time for everyone. I simply don't believe this happens to be yours."

You'll have to trust me when I tell you that you are simply wrong on this one.

SackAttack · 08-30-2005, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Like children, seniors and other people unable to make the choice to evacuate?

I want to say some mean things, but I need to stop....

I'll try this one more time.

I'm not saying deny aid to those who, as you put it, are unable to make the choice to evacuate. I'm trying to distinguish between those who have the capacity and lack the common sense and those who are simply caught in an unfortunate situation.

The dumbasses. The people who should know better, don't do anything, and then act surprised when the fecal matter hits the rotating oscillator. Those are the people for whom I have no sympathy.

Children, the sick, the infirm, the elderly, those who lack the ability, physical, financial, or what have you, those are not the people towards whom I bear this particular venom.

I realize it's probably not feasible to make the distinction in the real world. I'm not proposing anybody go out and start arbitrarily deciding who gets FEMA aid and who doesn't right now.

All I'm saying is that I wish it were possible to deny FEMA aid to the group of people which I have defined as dumbasses. Folks who willfully and defiantly stay when disaster is evident and visible and then expect the state to swoop in, as a deus ex machina, to save the day when they realize, "oops, maybe I should have left when the authorities told me to. I didn't realize 175 mph winds and torrential rains could be this dangerous!" Those people are a financial burden to the state, but more importantly, they're placing additional risk and strain on the lives of those emergency personnel whose job it is to rescue people caught in perilous situations. That is selfish and asinine behavior, and I see absolutely no reason to reward that.

I'm going to stop there. I'm not wishing for anybody to inflict further misery on the folks caught in the Katrina situation through no fault of their own, but I'm not sure that message is getting across, judging by Schmidty's response to a post in which I tried to clarify that.

Farrah Whitworth-Rahn · 08-30-2005, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I wish I knew. My cellphone won't work because it is Verizon Wireless and their tower is down. I'm out of touch with everyone, and I don't know what the plan is. From hearing Mayor Nagin say that it will be at least 48-72 hours until people can return and hearing experts say it might be weeks, we just extended our hotel room until Thursday. I'm waiting for more damage assessment to be done today to help me formulate a plan. For now, we are about to go eat some lunch and catch another movie (can't watch the news 24 hours/day or might become too depressed.)

This is really none of my business, but I'm curious so I'm going to ask. In situations like these, when you have to evacuate - does homeowners insurance reimburse you for lodging costs while your away?

Passacaglia · 08-30-2005, 01:08 PM

Glad to hear you're okay, EaglesFan. Hope all others in the area on this forum are okay as well.

Now I'm going to diverge a little bit, in the vein some others have in this thread. Anyone in Chicago see the Red Streak today? The cover reads, "The Big Easy took Katrina's wrath pretty hard, but Chicago's suffering, too: Thanks to the storm, we're now No. 1 in gas prices." Oh. My. Fucking. God. "Yeah, it sounds pretty bad for all them down there, but LOOK AT US! WE'VE GOT THIS HIGHEST GAS PRICES IN THE COUNTRY!" Maybe it's harder for me to be sympathetic since I don't drive, but I don't think that's why. Also, as I rode the bus downtown, I saw a Channel 2 van outside the BP in Clark and LaSalle, I assume to 'report' on the high prices. Who the FUCK buys their gas at Clark and LaSalle? Also, the article in the Red Streak reported the prices at the same BP station at Clark and LaSalle, but made no mention of WHY the storm has elevated Chicago to having the highest gas prices in the nation. Fucking rag.

HomerJSimpson · 08-30-2005, 01:10 PM

9 inches of water in the French quarter and rising, and they have ordered everybody out of NO "if they can leave."

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 08-30-2005, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Coder

As an outsider, I kind of do think of this as "America's Tsunami"... the potential of Katrina would have been absolutely devastating in terms of human casualties if not all the timely warnings, evacuations and protective measures..

The difference between the Tsunami in Thailand etc in December and Katrina, is that the Tsunami came without any warning.. no one was prepared for the absolute catastrophe.. no weather-reports had warned off the people on the beaches, no national disaster warnings had gone out on TV etc etc.. However, imagine what would have happened to New Orleans et al if no warnings whatsoever had come.. So I personally view this as "America's Tsunami" in many ways.. not the least in the way that I think several thousand lives could have been saved if the people in Thailand had been warned.

If it happened w/o warning you would be looking at more human and also economical casualties. I estimate 300,000 dead if it struck without any warning.

JonInMiddleGA · 08-30-2005, 01:43 PM

Now it's my turn to ask a "just so I'm clear on this" question ... If you couldn't leave the city for whatever reason when the mandatory evacuation was ordered, were people offered the dozen or so shelter locations or were they ordered to vacate their homes & get to one of the shelters?

My impression is that the city basically (or even explicity) acknowledged the difficulties in leaving town that some residents faced, I'm just not clear on what those people were told to do.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 08-30-2005, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Yuskevich

"How on earth did you happen to stumble across our humble little forum for the first time ever & of all the threads pick this one to post in for your debut?
Or are you a long-time lurker so moved by all of this that you decided today was the day that you just had to post something? Or is it possible that you're a regular who wanted to troll this thread in an attempt to sidetrack it into another round of political based argument but lacked the balls to do it under your own name? Inquiring minds want to know."

Ummm, I fail to see the relevance of these questions, and, hard as it might be for you to believe, in raising the question of whether comparisons between an event that killed 200,000+ people and an event that (let us hope) killed no more several hundred people are misleading and inappropriate, I have no intention of turning this into a "political based argument," although I must admit that I am not entirely certain what you mean by that phrase.

Unlike you, I am not going to flame those who write things with which I disagree. Some here have offered thoughtful explanations of why they think likening the tsunami to Katrina is justified. Needless to say, I am still maintain that the comparisons are inappropriate at best, but I would much rather have someone disagree with me intelligently than agree with me stupidly.

Incidentally, there is no relationship between the number of one's posts and the quality of one's posts. Everyone has to post for a first time.

But ISN'T SUFFERING STILL SUFFERING? Doesnt matter how many dead, people still mourne for them right?

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 08-30-2005, 01:54 PM

Dola: I just got back from class (0800-1130) and just turned on the news and it seems things (Law and Order) are breaking down and talks of suicides in the Superdome (CNN Reported).. This is not good.

Ben E Lou · 08-30-2005, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Now it's my turn to ask a "just so I'm clear on this" question ... If you couldn't leave the city for whatever reason when the mandatory evacuation was ordered, were people offered the dozen or so shelter locations or were they ordered to vacate their homes & get to one of the shelters?

My impression is that the city basically (or even explicity) acknowledged the difficulties in leaving town that some residents faced, I'm just not clear on what those people were told to do.

I think the phrase that was being reported was "destination of last resort." New Orleans officials were careful not to use the phrase "shelter," because they weren't convinced that the buildings would be safe. The order was to evacuate the city. The Superdome and other places were given as destinations of last resort, if you couldn't get out of town, I'm pretty sure.

heybrad · 08-30-2005, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CHEMICAL SOLDIER

Dola: I just got back from class (0800-1130) and just turned on the news and it seems things (Law and Order) are breaking down and talks of suicides in the Superdome (CNN Reported).. This is not good.

I just read this article on looting and I'm speechless.

What is wrong with people?

marshall881 · 08-30-2005, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by heybrad

I just read this article on looting and I'm speechless.

What is wrong with people?

It could get real ugly after dark!

WSUCougar · 08-30-2005, 02:09 PM

Time to declare martial law.

Tragedy upon tragedy. Very sad to see.

Farrah Whitworth-Rahn · 08-30-2005, 02:10 PM

I'm inclined to cut some looters a little slack. Taking food, diapers or baby formula is one thing. Those are things you need to survive.

Taking other items like jewelery and ten pairs of jeans simply because you were "oppressed" is disgusting.

Farrah Whitworth-Rahn · 08-30-2005, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Time to declare martial law.

Tragedy upon tragedy. Very sad to see.

Dola - but what then? Shoot these people? There's no jail.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 08-30-2005, 02:11 PM

Is this the end of New Orleans forever though? It seems to me that there's no way for it to recover now.

Franklinnoble · 08-30-2005, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

Dola - but what then? Shoot these people? There's no jail.

Looters should be shot on sight. Harsh, yes, but the justice system isn't exactly working down there right now, and the only way to keep the thugs at bay is to demostrate zero tolerance.

Farrah Whitworth-Rahn · 08-30-2005, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

Looters should be shot on sight. Harsh, yes, but the justice system isn't exactly working down there right now, and the only way to keep the thugs at bay is to demostrate zero tolerance.

I can't imagine any city official would give that order. Or is that already the order when marshall law is declared?

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 08-30-2005, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Time to declare martial law.

Tragedy upon tragedy. Very sad to see.

Im surprised we haven't heard from major political figures yet (no Im not trying to start Dems v. Rep.) . Yes, it is time to declare Martial Law. We have to show that Law and Order still stand.

sachmo71 · 08-30-2005, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CHEMICAL SOLDIER

Is this the end of New Orleans forever though? It seems to me that there's no way for it to recover now.

Man, CS, you need to relax! The city will recover.

Farrah Whitworth-Rahn · 08-30-2005, 02:23 PM

Marshall law has been declared in two N.O. parishes - Jefferson Parish and Plaquemines Parish

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050830...s_050830162048

JonInMiddleGA · 08-30-2005, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

Shoot these people?

Yes, with a tight grouping of at least three rounds.

JeffR · 08-30-2005, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

Man, CS, you need to relax! The city will recover.

That's going to take a long, long time, though. Most of the buildings in the city will be flooded for days at best, maybe longer, barring some miracles in getting the pumping system working again. A lot of them will wind up structurally damaged beyond repair, or uninhabitable because of mold or other contamination. The reconstruction effort will have to be huge; I can't think of anything comparable other than maybe bombed-out German and Japanese cities after WWII.

GoldenEagle · 08-30-2005, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

I'm inclined to cut some looters a little slack. Taking food, diapers or baby formula is one thing. Those are things you need to survive.

Taking other items like jewelery and ten pairs of jeans simply because you were "oppressed" is disgusting.

I agree with you 110%. Is the red cross able to get to these areas?

By the way, did anyone here the red X/black X story out of Gulfport? That was chlling.

WSUCougar · 08-30-2005, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

I can't imagine any city official would give that order. Or is that already the order when marshall law is declared?

Martial law does not in itself proscribe shooting looters on sight, but that can be (and often is) part of what it entails. The main function is that normal civil government and law enforcement procedures are temporarily abandoned in favor of a stricter military type of rule. Individual civil liberties become secondary due to the emergency.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 08-30-2005, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I agree with you 110%. Is the red cross able to get to these areas?

By the way, did anyone here the red X/black X story out of Gulfport? That was chlling.

What is the story about? and link lease.

Yuskevich · 08-30-2005, 02:47 PM

Chemical Soldier,

Yes, suffering is suffering. The husband who lost is wife to Katrina will mourn as deeply as the husband who lost his wife to the tsunami, and I in no way mean to suggest that we owe the people of New Orleans and Mississippi any less help and compassion, simply because they had advanced warning and many were able to flee.

I guess that I am talking more about the way in which the story has been covered, than about the actual experiences of those directly affected by Katrina. Do I blame the mayor of Biloxi for making the original comparison? No, he is just trying to find words to express his sense of total devastation--and here I think that Jim in Middle GA had a good initial point. Do I blame a news outlet for trumpeting that quote as if the carnage inflicted by Katrrina was, in fact, as widespread and deadly as the tsunami? Yes, I do, and the person who commented on how news outlets in Chicago are proclaiming that a Katrina-related rise in gas prices was about to hit us all, as if that was in some way comparable to what the people of New Orleans and Biloxi are suffering, is just another example of how the news media (and if I were to change my original post, I would substitute "news media and some Americans" for "American people") makes no effort to establish a sense of proportion among the various events it covers. Every event, every problem, is the worst one ever. It makes it hard for people who rely on the media to get their information to understand what is going on.

JonInMiddleGA · 08-30-2005, 02:47 PM

A few random things ... just saw pictures on FoxNews of firefighters trying to battle a structure blaze while standing in what looked to be nearly waist deep waters themselves ... from the WWL-TV newsblog "2:30 P.M. - Coast Guard says it has rescued 1,200 people so far in Louisiana. ... 2:01 P.M. - Jefferson Parish President Aaron Broussard says there is no plumbing and the sanitary situation is getting nasty. He told WAFB-TV that he is carrying around a bag for his own human waste. ... 1:08 P.M. - "I'm very hopeful, with the devastation we've had, that the number (of deaths) will be much more reasonable than people think. There are not thousands of people floating around." -- Terry Ebbert, New Orleans' homeland security chief. ... 12:44 P.M. - (AP) The Louisiana Offshore Oil Port did NOT suffer major damage as a result of Hurricane Katrina. And a port official says the flow of oil could resume within "a matter of hours" once its power supply is restored.

Farrah Whitworth-Rahn · 08-30-2005, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Martial law does not in itself proscribe shooting looters on sight, but that can be (and often is) part of what it entails. The main function is that normal civil government and law enforcement procedures are temporarily abandoned in favor of a stricter military type of rule. Individual civil liberties become secondary due to the emergency.

So then the National Guard essentially is running the places under Martial Law?

Hawglaw · 08-30-2005, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

As an aside, I'm really enjoying Little Rock, AK. We ended up actually staying in North Little Rock to keep the entire family together. We are by the McClain (sp?) Mall. Lots of shops, movie theaters, and restaurants around. I really like the nice weather that is less humid and hot than New Orleans so far. I don't know much about the city, but my very early impressions are that I could happily relocate here should it ever become necessary or desirable.

Jon, thanks for the links. I worry about my FIL much less than my other in-laws. He is ex-military and can handle just about anything.

Also, this room at the La Quinta is nicer and bigger than many "fancy" hotels I've stayed in. It is also about a third of the price that I've paid at some of those same hotels.

I grew up about a mile from where you are staying and, when I was in law school, lived right down the street from McCain Mall.

GoldenEagle · 08-30-2005, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CHEMICAL SOLDIER

What is the story about? and link lease.

I do not have a link, I heard it on CNN. Anyway, for some reason they can not extract people from the houses. The rescue squads are going to house to house. If they people are alive but injured, they put a Red X. If they are dead, the put a black X.

I also heard that Jefferson Parrish is going to be closed for five weeks.

GoldenEagle · 08-30-2005, 02:56 PM

By the way, comparing disasters is downright stupid.

HomerJSimpson · 08-30-2005, 03:09 PM

3:07 P.M. - Governor Blanco: We are looking for ways to get people out of the Superdome and out of New Orleans said Governor Blanco as she tried to keep from crying.

Flasch186 · 08-30-2005, 03:31 PM

the water in downtown NO is still rising

albionmoonlight · 08-30-2005, 03:34 PM

According to reports, it looks like at least a month before my parents will be able to go back to their home.

I was OK yesterday, but I'm just numb right now.

Emiliano · 08-30-2005, 03:55 PM

I just want to say that my heart and my thoughts are for all the people of the New Orleans area hit by this terrible disaster.

sachmo71 · 08-30-2005, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffR

That's going to take a long, long time, though. Most of the buildings in the city will be flooded for days at best, maybe longer, barring some miracles in getting the pumping system working again. A lot of them will wind up structurally damaged beyond repair, or uninhabitable because of mold or other contamination. The reconstruction effort will have to be huge; I can't think of anything comparable other than maybe bombed-out German and Japanese cities after WWII.

Yes, I agree the recover will take time, but it will hardly be forever. Many of the old buildings in the French Quarter are made of store. They will survive, as will the people.

JonInMiddleGA · 08-30-2005, 04:13 PM

http://apnews.myway.com//article/200...D8CAC7E80.html

NEW ORLEANS (AP) - With much of the city flooded by Hurricane Katrina, looters floated garbage cans filled with clothing and jewelry down the street in a dash to grab what they could. In some cases, looting on Tuesday took place in full view of police and National Guard troops. ...
At a drug store on Canal Street just outside the French Quarter, two police officers with pump shotguns stood guard as workers from the Ritz-Carlton Hotel across the street loaded large laundry bins full of medications, snack foods and bottled water.

"This is for the sick," Officer Jeff Jacob said. "We can commandeer whatever we see fit, whatever is necessary to maintain law."

Another office, D.J. Butler, told the crowd standing around that they would be out of the way as soon as they got the necessities.

"I'm not saying you're welcome to it," the officer said. "This is the situation we're in. We have to make the best of it."

The looting was taking place in full view of passing National Guard trucks and police cruisers.

One man with an armload of clothes even asked a policeman, "can I borrow your car?"

Some in the crowd splashed into the waist-deep water like giddy children at the beach.

I thought about this earlier, but reading this story really elevated the profile of it in my mind: New Orleans isn't exactly known for being the most law-abiding city in the country. If the looting mentality gets a little momentum, and officials don't manage to clear out the vast majority of the people still in the city, I wouldn't be surprised if the eventual death toll from the crime rivaled the toll of the hurricane itself.

terpkristin · 08-30-2005, 04:21 PM

This might sound like a stupid question, but is there any place that has satellite imagery of New Orleans and the damage there?

My brother is afraid that everything he has (had?) is gone, since the levees broke on the Ponchtrain and he's heard that 80% of New Orleans is underwater.

Any ideas of where I might find this kind of info?

/tk

Huckleberry · 08-30-2005, 04:24 PM

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To be honest with you, people who are oppressed all their lives, man, it's an opportunity to get back at society," he said.

A man walked down Canal Street with a pallet of food on his head. His wife, who refused to give her name, insisted they weren't stealing from the nearby Winn-Dixie supermarket. "It's about survival right now," she said as she held a plastic bag full of purloined items. "We got to feed our children. I've got eight grandchildren to feed."

Therein lies the problem for me. The first quote is from someone that should, by all rights, be shot for looting. The second is from someone following the basic instinct to survive in this situation. I figure troops should stop as many as they can that they see looting. Check what they're holding. If it's dry clothing and food, look the other way. If it's jewelry or electronics (I guarantee there are people dumb enough to drag DVD players through the water) or other luxuries, shoot 'em.

MIJB#19 · 08-30-2005, 04:46 PM

What a terrible disaster.
I wish the people in New Orleans and area good luck in the rebuilding process.

fantastic flying froggies · 08-30-2005, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MIJB#19

What a terrible disaster.
I wish the people in New Orleans and area good luck in the rebuilding process.

ditto...

I am so sad to see the people of one of my favorite cities in the US suffer so...

st.cronin · 08-30-2005, 05:54 PM

I am ashamed to admit I cracked wise in the days leading up to the hurricane that if God were to smite an American city, obviously his first choice would be New Orleans. I feel incredibly horrible about this; I spent 11 months in Biloxi when I was in the service.

I was in NYC during 9/11, and, honestly, this (Katrina) looks much, much worse, but I agree, comparing disasters is stupid.

I don't know ANYBODY in the area, but I am still very sad about all this. I hope New Orleans comes back; I'd love to visit it again.

08-30-2005, 01:43 PM	#414
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Now it's my turn to ask a "just so I'm clear on this" question ... If you couldn't leave the city for whatever reason when the mandatory evacuation was ordered, were people offered the dozen or so shelter locations or were they ordered to vacate their homes & get to one of the shelters? My impression is that the city basically (or even explicity) acknowledged the difficulties in leaving town that some residents faced, I'm just not clear on what those people were told to do. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

08-30-2005, 01:54 PM	#416
CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	Dola: I just got back from class (0800-1130) and just turned on the news and it seems things (Law and Order) are breaking down and talks of suicides in the Superdome (CNN Reported).. This is not good. __________________ Toujour Pret

08-30-2005, 02:09 PM	#420
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	Time to declare martial law. Tragedy upon tragedy. Very sad to see. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

08-30-2005, 02:11 PM	#423
CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	Is this the end of New Orleans forever though? It seems to me that there's no way for it to recover now. __________________ Toujour Pret

08-30-2005, 02:47 PM	#434
Yuskevich n00b Join Date: Aug 2005	Chemical Soldier, Yes, suffering is suffering. The husband who lost is wife to Katrina will mourn as deeply as the husband who lost his wife to the tsunami, and I in no way mean to suggest that we owe the people of New Orleans and Mississippi any less help and compassion, simply because they had advanced warning and many were able to flee. I guess that I am talking more about the way in which the story has been covered, than about the actual experiences of those directly affected by Katrina. Do I blame the mayor of Biloxi for making the original comparison? No, he is just trying to find words to express his sense of total devastation--and here I think that Jim in Middle GA had a good initial point. Do I blame a news outlet for trumpeting that quote as if the carnage inflicted by Katrrina was, in fact, as widespread and deadly as the tsunami? Yes, I do, and the person who commented on how news outlets in Chicago are proclaiming that a Katrina-related rise in gas prices was about to hit us all, as if that was in some way comparable to what the people of New Orleans and Biloxi are suffering, is just another example of how the news media (and if I were to change my original post, I would substitute "news media and some Americans" for "American people") makes no effort to establish a sense of proportion among the various events it covers. Every event, every problem, is the worst one ever. It makes it hard for people who rely on the media to get their information to understand what is going on. Last edited by Yuskevich : 08-30-2005 at 02:49 PM. Reason: Momentary outbreak of illiteracy

08-30-2005, 12:18 PM	#401
Yuskevich n00b Join Date: Aug 2005	"How on earth did you happen to stumble across our humble little forum for the first time ever & of all the threads pick this one to post in for your debut? Or are you a long-time lurker so moved by all of this that you decided today was the day that you just had to post something? Or is it possible that you're a regular who wanted to troll this thread in an attempt to sidetrack it into another round of political based argument but lacked the balls to do it under your own name? Inquiring minds want to know." Ummm, I fail to see the relevance of these questions, and, hard as it might be for you to believe, in raising the question of whether comparisons between an event that killed 200,000+ people and an event that (let us hope) killed no more several hundred people are misleading and inappropriate, I have no intention of turning this into a "political based argument," although I must admit that I am not entirely certain what you mean by that phrase. Unlike you, I am not going to flame those who write things with which I disagree. Some here have offered thoughtful explanations of why they think likening the tsunami to Katrina is justified. Needless to say, I am still maintain that the comparisons are inappropriate at best, but I would much rather have someone disagree with me intelligently than agree with me stupidly. Incidentally, there is no relationship between the number of one's posts and the quality of one's posts. Everyone has to post for a first time.

08-30-2005, 12:40 PM	#405
Yuskevich n00b Join Date: Aug 2005	Hang in there, EF and all the other folks directly affected by Katrina. I am certainly lucky never to have experienced a hurricane-related disruption of the sort that you folks are going to have to deal with. The worst one I experienced was Isabel, which left us without electricity for about two weeks. Waiting in line for hours for gas and ice, spending hours of each day scrounging for food, not knowing when one could go back to work or the kids could go back to school--it got very trying very fast, and it was nothing compared to the recovery that you folks are going to have to make. I expect that the American people will respond with their customary generosity, though, and that should help some.

08-30-2005, 12:46 PM	#407
Yuskevich n00b Join Date: Aug 2005	Don't worry, folks, this is the second-to-last-thing that I have to say in this exchange "Originally Posted by Yuskevich I have no intention of turning this into a "political based argument," And I, quite frankly, don't believe that for an instant." Maybe you know me better than I know myself. I know how we can find out--if you are so certain that I am trying to start a political based argument, could you tell me what my politics are? Tell me which presidential candidates I have voted for since 1988, and I promise to tell the truth as to whether you guessed correctly or not. If you can get them right, then maybe I myself failed to recognize the true nature of my post. Quote: "Incidentally, there is no relationship between the number of one's posts and the quality of one's posts. Everyone has to post for a first time. Yep, there's a first time for everyone. I simply don't believe this happens to be yours." You'll have to trust me whan I tell you that you are simply wrong on this one.

08-30-2005, 12:47 PM	#408
Yuskevich n00b Join Date: Aug 2005	Don't worry, folks, this is the second-to-last-thing that I have to say in this exchange "Originally Posted by Yuskevich I have no intention of turning this into a "political based argument," And I, quite frankly, don't believe that for an instant." Maybe you know me better than I know myself. I know how we can find out--if you are so certain that I am trying to start a political based argument, could you tell me what my politics are? Tell me which presidential candidates I have voted for since 1988, and I promise to tell the truth as to whether you guessed correctly or not. If you can get them right, then maybe I myself failed to recognize the true nature of my post. Quote: "Incidentally, there is no relationship between the number of one's posts and the quality of one's posts. Everyone has to post for a first time. Yep, there's a first time for everyone. I simply don't believe this happens to be yours." You'll have to trust me when I tell you that you are simply wrong on this one.

08-30-2005, 01:08 PM	#411
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Glad to hear you're okay, EaglesFan. Hope all others in the area on this forum are okay as well. Now I'm going to diverge a little bit, in the vein some others have in this thread. Anyone in Chicago see the Red Streak today? The cover reads, "The Big Easy took Katrina's wrath pretty hard, but Chicago's suffering, too: Thanks to the storm, we're now No. 1 in gas prices." Oh. My. Fucking. God. "Yeah, it sounds pretty bad for all them down there, but LOOK AT US! WE'VE GOT THIS HIGHEST GAS PRICES IN THE COUNTRY!" Maybe it's harder for me to be sympathetic since I don't drive, but I don't think that's why. Also, as I rode the bus downtown, I saw a Channel 2 van outside the BP in Clark and LaSalle, I assume to 'report' on the high prices. Who the FUCK buys their gas at Clark and LaSalle? Also, the article in the Red Streak reported the prices at the same BP station at Clark and LaSalle, but made no mention of WHY the storm has elevated Chicago to having the highest gas prices in the nation. Fucking rag.

08-30-2005, 01:10 PM	#412
HomerJSimpson College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Springfield, USA	9 inches of water in the French quarter and rising, and they have ordered everybody out of NO "if they can leave."

08-30-2005, 02:10 PM	#421
Farrah Whitworth-Rahn Red-Headed Vixen Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ	I'm inclined to cut some looters a little slack. Taking food, diapers or baby formula is one thing. Those are things you need to survive. Taking other items like jewelery and ten pairs of jeans simply because you were "oppressed" is disgusting.

08-30-2005, 02:23 PM	#428
Farrah Whitworth-Rahn Red-Headed Vixen Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ	Marshall law has been declared in two N.O. parishes - Jefferson Parish and Plaquemines Parish http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050830...s_050830162048

08-30-2005, 02:47 PM	#435
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	A few random things ... just saw pictures on FoxNews of firefighters trying to battle a structure blaze while standing in what looked to be nearly waist deep waters themselves ... from the WWL-TV newsblog "2:30 P.M. - Coast Guard says it has rescued 1,200 people so far in Louisiana. ... 2:01 P.M. - Jefferson Parish President Aaron Broussard says there is no plumbing and the sanitary situation is getting nasty. He told WAFB-TV that he is carrying around a bag for his own human waste. ... 1:08 P.M. - "I'm very hopeful, with the devastation we've had, that the number (of deaths) will be much more reasonable than people think. There are not thousands of people floating around." -- Terry Ebbert, New Orleans' homeland security chief. ... 12:44 P.M. - (AP) The Louisiana Offshore Oil Port did NOT suffer major damage as a result of Hurricane Katrina. And a port official says the flow of oil could resume within "a matter of hours" once its power supply is restored. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

08-30-2005, 02:56 PM	#439
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	By the way, comparing disasters is downright stupid. __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

08-30-2005, 03:09 PM	#440
HomerJSimpson College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Springfield, USA	3:07 P.M. - Governor Blanco: We are looking for ways to get people out of the Superdome and out of New Orleans said Governor Blanco as she tried to keep from crying.

08-30-2005, 03:31 PM	#441
Flasch186 Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL	the water in downtown NO is still rising __________________ Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL

08-30-2005, 03:34 PM	#442
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	According to reports, it looks like at least a month before my parents will be able to go back to their home. I was OK yesterday, but I'm just numb right now.

08-30-2005, 03:55 PM	#443
Emiliano College Prospect Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nuremberg, Germany	I just want to say that my heart and my thoughts are for all the people of the New Orleans area hit by this terrible disaster. __________________ Xbox Live&PSN: Emiliano81 GM of the Rome Gladiators in the WOOF

08-30-2005, 04:13 PM	#445
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	http://apnews.myway.com//article/200...D8CAC7E80.html NEW ORLEANS (AP) - With much of the city flooded by Hurricane Katrina, looters floated garbage cans filled with clothing and jewelry down the street in a dash to grab what they could. In some cases, looting on Tuesday took place in full view of police and National Guard troops. ... At a drug store on Canal Street just outside the French Quarter, two police officers with pump shotguns stood guard as workers from the Ritz-Carlton Hotel across the street loaded large laundry bins full of medications, snack foods and bottled water. "This is for the sick," Officer Jeff Jacob said. "We can commandeer whatever we see fit, whatever is necessary to maintain law." Another office, D.J. Butler, told the crowd standing around that they would be out of the way as soon as they got the necessities. "I'm not saying you're welcome to it," the officer said. "This is the situation we're in. We have to make the best of it." The looting was taking place in full view of passing National Guard trucks and police cruisers. One man with an armload of clothes even asked a policeman, "can I borrow your car?" Some in the crowd splashed into the waist-deep water like giddy children at the beach. I thought about this earlier, but reading this story really elevated the profile of it in my mind: New Orleans isn't exactly known for being the most law-abiding city in the country. If the looting mentality gets a little momentum, and officials don't manage to clear out the vast majority of the people still in the city, I wouldn't be surprised if the eventual death toll from the crime rivaled the toll of the hurricane itself. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

08-30-2005, 04:21 PM	#446
terpkristin Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ashburn, VA	This might sound like a stupid question, but is there any place that has satellite imagery of New Orleans and the damage there? My brother is afraid that everything he has (had?) is gone, since the levees broke on the Ponchtrain and he's heard that 80% of New Orleans is underwater. Any ideas of where I might find this kind of info? /tk __________________ GO TERPS! https://www.flickr.com/photos/terpkristin https://twitter.com/terpkristin

08-30-2005, 04:46 PM	#448
MIJB#19 Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Maassluis, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands	What a terrible disaster. I wish the people in New Orleans and area good luck in the rebuilding process. __________________ * 2005 Golden Scribe winner for best FOF Dynasty about IHOF's Maassluis Merchantmen * Former GM of GEFL's Houston Oilers and WOOF's Curacao Cocktail

08-30-2005, 05:54 PM	#450
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I am ashamed to admit I cracked wise in the days leading up to the hurricane that if God were to smite an American city, obviously his first choice would be New Orleans. I feel incredibly horrible about this; I spent 11 months in Biloxi when I was in the service. I was in NYC during 9/11, and, honestly, this (Katrina) looks much, much worse, but I agree, comparing disasters is stupid. I don't know ANYBODY in the area, but I am still very sad about all this. I hope New Orleans comes back; I'd love to visit it again.

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