Lost, Season 2

[gottimd]

It might not be true just speculation but I remember reading that.

I need to get the DVD. This and Band of Brothers I could watch an infinite amount of times.

[Poli]

I still haven't seen that.

[jamesUMD]

Here is another except from the 3rd Policeman. I just finished watching the episode again and froze the frame with the book title and bible in it.

The precariousness of identity is a theme that also runs throughout the main narrative. The narrator eventually escapes from the police station (with the help of an army of one-legged men) and passes Mathers' house on his way home. At this stage the quest for the black box had almost been forgotten, but he makes one more attempt at recovering it. Inside the house – or to be more accurate, inside the walls of the house – he discovers the station of the third policeman of the title, Policeman Fox, who has custody of the black box. Fox reveals that the box does not contain money, but “omnium”, a substance MacCruiskeen once described as: “the essential inherent interior essence which is hidden in the root of the kernel of everything” (113), but which is literally everything one desires. Policeman Fox has been using it to take the muck off his leggings and to boil his eggs just right, but naturally the narrator has more grandiose visions of his future omnipotence. He gleefully returns home with the black box, where he finds a much older John Divney who is surprisingly disturbed by the narrator's appearance: “He said I was not there. He said I was dead. He said that what he had put under the boards in the big house was not the black box but a mine, a bomb. It had gone up when I touched it […] I was dead. He screamed at me to keep away. I was dead for sixteen years.” (203) >>

The shock of seeing his dead friend kills Divney, and the confused narrator turns back to the road. At this point the narrative also turns back on itself, replicating the narrator's first approach to the peculiar police station, only this time he is accompanied by John Divney. Both are doomed to the cyclical quest for the black box. The novel ends with Sergeant Pluck's habitual refrain: “Is it about a bicycle?” (206).

There is something here that I can't quite put my finger on. I think a parralell between the button and the black box.
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[Poli]

I just watched Michael get hit by the car for the first time. The driver appeared to have noticeable sideburns. Maybe.

[Joe Canadian]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Great, I just found out about another crazy-ass backstory element to the show (as if i didn't have enough to deal with already!)

The same car (Gold Pontiac Bonneville):

hits Locke in the parking lot
hits Michael when he gets severely injured
is the car Kate t-bones when fleeing the hospital

If this is true, it is becoming increasingly more likely that the end of Lost won't be based in any form of reality... it's one thing for Dharma to have something to do with the people on the plane, once they purchased tickets... but before that? With all the variables in life it's a bit of a stretch to say that Dharma somehow knew something about these people for years, and somehow made them voluntarily buy tickets on the same plane, to the same place, at the same time.

[Pyser]

i rewatched a couple early episodes. i dont have anything groundbreaking, but a few thoughts observations:

1 - the monster at the beginning of the show that we hear is not the smoke we saw later. obviously a different noise....and in ep 1, you hear someone say the monster "sounds familiar"

2 - the smoke could very well be what "infected" the others. the french lady, while thinking back, says everyone got infected on the way back from the black rock.

3 - the french lady specifically says everyone in her group was fine for 2 months, then got infected. the lost gang have only been around for 40-50 days so far.

4 - locke all but says jacks father is still alive. i think he has seen him.

5 - VERY liberal use of the word "others". even when referring to the lost crew we know. to the point where a person will say, "how are they? the others?" the word "others" is thrown around all over the place, which i dont think is a coincidence

6 - sun's dad is most likely involved in all this. its worth noting he is very powerful and rich...

7 - my own theory....the end of the world has happened. i dont think this is actually the case, but it dawned on me that we never see anything happen outside the island after the crash...for obvious reasons. but combine that with "if we dont push those buttons, the world will end", and the buttons maybe not being pushed the day of the crash, and perhaps the island is all thats left. maybe. i dont know.

i suck at this.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Pyser

7 - my own theory....the end of the world has happened. i dont think this is actually the case, but it dawned on me that we never see anything happen outside the island after the crash...for obvious reasons. but combine that with "if we dont push those buttons, the world will end", and the buttons maybe not being pushed the day of the crash, and perhaps the island is all thats left. maybe. i dont know.

That is a very interesting theory.

[judicial clerk]

Crap! I missed tonights episode.

[cthomer5000]

By the way, very shortly i plan on running a little FOFC Lost contest, I can put up a copy of Season 1 on DVD as the prize. I've got a few extra as part of a promotion I worked on when it was first released. I'm thinking some sort of Lost quiz where every submits answers, whoever has the best score wins, and if there is a tie (very likely) i choose randomly from among those who had the best scores.

Look for something in the next day or two.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by judicial clerk

Crap! I missed tonights episode.

It just turned Wednesday... the episode isn't until tonight.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by gottimd

better screenshot of what Jack was looking at

Better shot of her... Definitely a chance here, no?

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by Joe Canadian

If this is true, it is becoming increasingly more likely that the end of Lost won't be based in any form of reality... it's one thing for Dharma to have something to do with the people on the plane, once they purchased tickets... but before that? With all the variables in life it's a bit of a stretch to say that Dharma somehow knew something about these people for years, and somehow made them voluntarily buy tickets on the same plane, to the same place, at the same time.

Just got home, pulled some screen shots:







You can clearly recognize the little "SE" logo in both the above and below shots (the first when michael is hit, the second as Kate is nailing the other car):

[cthomer5000]

One final thought. They don't have to be the same car, they could just be the same model. You can read the license plate in the Kate incident plain as day (614-GJ5), and there is clearly a differnt plate on the car that hits Locke (looks like it starts with a 2 and/or 3, thought its blurry in all shots).

Also, i dont know if this is just the stuntman or an intentional picture, but it looks like a bald-headed man driving the car that hits Kate:




When Michael is being hit it looks like someone wearing a white baseball cap:



Of course it's also debatable that the white area there just above the seat is any other number of things. Personally I can mentally picture two different castaways as the drivers of these cars, but i feel like it's just to crazy and early to start speculating.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

By the way, very shortly i plan on running a little FOFC Lost contest, I can put up a copy of Season 1 on DVD as the prize. I've got a few extra as part of a promotion I worked on when it was first released. I'm thinking some sort of Lost quiz where every submits answers, whoever has the best score wins, and if there is a tie (very likely) i choose randomly from among those who had the best scores.

Look for something in the next day or two.

You suck. 1. I just bought the DVD set, though I'd love to get another to regift it or give to my wife back home. 2. I still haven't finished watching it. I'm halfway through disk 4.

Shannon, fwiw, is a slut.

[gottimd]

Maybe the writers are hinting at the fact that people that drive that tyoe of car are more prone to attempts at vehicular manslaughter?

[Joe Canadian]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Just got home, pulled some screen shots:

I stand by my comments, while the cars may look the same it doesn't mean it is the same car... but if it is, then a reality based ending is becoming alot less likely IMO.

[gottimd]

Originally Posted by Joe Canadian

but if it is, then a reality based ending is becoming alot less likely IMO.

I don't think that is true. I think there is a strong chance still that it could be reality even if the cars are the same. I think it just leans more toward a conspiracy, not a "dream state".

We shall see tonight.

[Yossarian]

My mum had a cool idea. Theyr'e only on season 1 just now (don't dl shows and uk is a season behind). She reckons that the island is purgatory. When the plane blew up, everyone else went upstairs or downstairs but they all have to atone for sins on this island.

All of that is kinda ruled out by s2 ep1 but it's a cool idea anyway.

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by Yossarian

My mum had a cool idea. Theyr'e only on season 1 just now (don't dl shows and uk is a season behind). She reckons that the island is purgatory. When the plane blew up, everyone else went upstairs or downstairs but they all have to atone for sins on this island.

All of that is kinda ruled out by s2 ep1 but it's a cool idea anyway.

The producers have scuttled a number of theories, including that the people are really dead.

[gottimd]

Originally Posted by Yossarian

My mum had a cool idea. Theyr'e only on season 1 just now (don't dl shows and uk is a season behind). She reckons that the island is purgatory. When the plane blew up, everyone else went upstairs or downstairs but they all have to atone for sins on this island.

All of that is kinda ruled out by s2 ep1 but it's a cool idea anyway.

That was my thought during the first season...but the thing that swayed me away from that, is, how do you get out of purgatory? I mean some of the survivors were killed (not gonna spoil it if you haven't seen yet). What did they do to redeem themselves to get out of purgatory (to die)?

[Yossarian]

I have seen up to the most recent US aired episode - I'm pretty sure (esp with the debunking mentioned above) that they aint in purgatory - nice idea though.

[timmynausea]

Originally Posted by Joe Canadian

but if it is, then a reality based ending is becoming alot less likely IMO.

Considering that one of the major thematic conflicts of the show is faith vs. science, I think little coincidences like this point to the idea that these things are happening for a reason, whether it's supernatural or whatever, instead of everything completely not being reality. Basically it makes it seem like Locke's faith in the island is justified. Of course, it's always possible that it's all purely coincidental or the car is not actually the same or a million other things.

[judicial clerk]

It just turned Wednesday... the episode isn't until tonight.

Um, I had not slept in a really long time (over a day) when I wrote that. I also work a graveyard shift that starts at 11pm the night before but counts as working the morning after. So if I have to work on Monday, i actually start work on Sunday night.

Actually, a lot of this discussion could be applied to my work schedule. Is my schedule part of some kind of crazy expirement? Am i actually dead and in some kind of purgatory?

[Bearcat729]

It looks like you can now buy this seasons episodes on ITunes for 1.99 each.

[Pyser]

one other thing to note...none of the survivors, that we know of, were just on vacation or anything benign like that. we dont learn of many that died, but we do get the sense that one couple that was engaged and "looked happy" died...everyone else is at a severe crossroads in their lives.

its not odd for a tv show, really...but it is when i consider every flight ive ever been on. youd think just 1 person would have just been going on or returning from vacation.

[Poli]

Desmond's going to be pissed when he comes back for food and there is none.

Nice tease on the Jin speaking English bit. Bastads.

[Joe Canadian]

I just have to say one thing... aren't we all a bunch of idiots for assuming something about Rose's husband...

[gottimd]

SPOILER FOR THOSE WHO HAVENT SEEN TONIGHTS EPISODE

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So the Tail end survivors got into one of the other hatches? And only about 5 of 18 are still alive, did they get slaughtered by the others or is that virus alive and kicking?

[LoneStarGirl]

I thought the virus was a ploy to get that guy to stay in the hatch and press the button. I thought they might have killed one another, or maybe eaten eachother... who knows?

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by Joe Canadian

I just have to say one thing... aren't we all a bunch of idiots for assuming something about Rose's husband...

I could have sworn that in the first episode Jack attempted to save Rose's husband but he died anyway... Or was that another elderly black woman?

[Joe Canadian]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

I could have sworn that in the first episode Jack attempted to save Rose's husband but he died anyway... Or was that another elderly black woman?

It wasn't Rose's husband... that's all I know.

[Poli]

That was the US Marshall.

[sovereignstar]

For some reason Claire looked less attractive than usual in this episode. I know what you're thinking.. some mighty deep findings on my part.

[Poli]

Sov, you rule. Nice title change.

[sovereignstar]

Originally Posted by Joe Canadian

I just have to say one thing... aren't we all a bunch of idiots for assuming something about Rose's husband...

Speak for yourself. I thought she was married to a Slovakian midget this whole time. Boy, was I wrong.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar

For some reason Claire looked less attractive than usual in this episode. I know what you're thinking.. some mighty deep findings on my part.

You are dead on. I was thinking she looked like one of the puppets from that Dark Crystal move from when I was a kid.

I'm tired of Ana Lucia already. She's tough-as-nails... I think we all get it. I hope she gets killed soon.

[VPI97]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I'm tired of Ana Lucia already. She's tough-as-nails... I think we all get it. I hope she gets killed soon.

Yeah, I kept hoping that Sawyer would take the gun from her and shoot her.

[kingfc22]

Did anyone else check out the milk carton at the beginning of the episode that Hurley was drinking from? Right when he sees Jin in his dream, there is a picture of Walt on the side of the carton and it says MISSING on the top.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by gottimd

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So the Tail end survivors got into one of the other hatches? And only about 5 of 18 are still alive, did they get slaughtered by the others or is that virus alive and kicking?

It doesn't sound like the virus kills people, just makes them crazy - the voices in the woods. For the previews for next week, I have a guess as to whether the others were involved or not.

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I'm tired of Ana Lucia already. She's tough-as-nails... I think we all get it. I hope she gets killed soon.

Sadly, I think we're headed for a Jack-Kate-Ana-Lucia love triangle.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

J

Nice job, man. That is some great stuff.

I don't think it's any coincidence that it's the same car in all the shots. Think about it - they spent all this money on props, rental cars, rented an airplane, and everything else. They aren't going to use the same p.o.s car in pivotal scenes unless it means something.

Can anyone make out what state these tags on the above picture are from?

[Raven]

The closest I could find....




I don't remember if they mentioned where exactly Kate was from, but I assumed it was somewhere mid-west. The tags are probalby a dead end then.

[Raiders Army]

I liked the part where Sawyer says, "If you hit me again, I'll kill you."

Bruce Willis said it in The Last Boy Scout. Geena Davis said it in The Long Kiss Goodnight. Trite, but I like it.

[Poli]

I think I recall Kate saying she was from Iowa.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

You are dead on. I was thinking she looked like one of the puppets from that Dark Crystal move from when I was a kid.

I'm tired of Ana Lucia already. She's tough-as-nails... I think we all get it. I hope she gets killed soon.

Agreed on both accounts.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar

For some reason Claire looked less attractive than usual in this episode. I know what you're thinking.. some mighty deep findings on my part.

I was thinking you liked her better with the belly.

[Malificent]

Originally Posted by Raven

Nice job, man. That is some great stuff.

I don't think it's any coincidence that it's the same car in all the shots. Think about it - they spent all this money on props, rental cars, rented an airplane, and everything else. They aren't going to use the same p.o.s car in pivotal scenes unless it means something.

Can anyone make out what state these tags on the above picture are from?

I actually was reading one of the Lost discussion boards and it turns out that the writers/producers have said that it is the same car but that it actually doesn't have any significance. Just reusing cars for different scenes I guess and failed to take the fans obsessive attention to detail in account.

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by VPI97

Yeah, I kept hoping that Sawyer would take the gun from her and shoot her.

They are SO gonna get it on.

[moriarty]

Kind of a lame episode for progressing the plot (especially compared to last week's) ... but I did like the "Driveshaft ... more like 'SuckShaft'" comment.

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by moriarty

Kind of a lame episode for progressing the plot

Sure, but you are ignoring the "Kate in a towel" factor.

And this was the most disappointing episode ever, IMO, for flashbacks. All we learned about Hurley was that he worked in a fast food job (we sort of knew that) and had a best friend.

[moriarty]

Originally Posted by Samdari

Sure, but you are ignoring the "Kate in a towel" factor.
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No, I said it was slow in moving the plot, but it was good for moving other 'things'.