*World Cup Game Discussion Thread* (SPOILERS) - Page 4

GrantDawg · 06-10-2006, 12:57 PM

European sides (save Germany) disappoint.

Coffee Warlord · 06-10-2006, 12:58 PM

And we're not long for the last match of the day.

Go Ivory Coast!

MrBug708 · 06-10-2006, 12:58 PM

The TT defense did a good job to limit the open shots. I think I saw two decent shots by the Swedes all game

DaddyTorgo · 06-10-2006, 12:58 PM

can't wait to see Argentina in an hour. WOOHOO

RPI-Fan · 06-10-2006, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Hislop had some AMAZING saves there just in the second half (which was all i saw getting in from work). Wow...T&T, even if they do nothing else, has done huge here to send a wakeup call to Sweden (who was a #1 seed going in don't forget)

I'm pretty sure Sweden wasn't seeded...

MIJB#19 · 06-10-2006, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Question about the own goal decision... that looked like a pretty solid shot to me, so why wasn't Beckham credited with the goal?

Who makes the official call on that, the on-field ref or some sort of scorekeeper?

The FIFA reportedly created a special unit of officials to determine for every goal whether they were own goals or not. The verdict should be out soon.

Critch · 06-10-2006, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Wow...T&T, even if they do nothing else, has done huge here to send a wakeup call to Sweden (who was a #1 seed going in don't forget)

No they weren't, England were the #1 seed in this group.

Well done to T&T. Sweden looked old and had no ideas, T&T rode their luck. I'm just disappointed that it'll probably make the group easier for England.

Joe · 06-10-2006, 01:00 PM

Trinidad was awesome, but Tobago was a bit disappointing...

Coffee Warlord · 06-10-2006, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

The TT defense did a good job to limit the open shots. I think I saw two decent shots by the Swedes all game

Their defense was decent, but I think a lot of it was absolutely pitiful crosses into the box by the Swedes.

DaddyTorgo · 06-10-2006, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Critch

No they weren't, England were the #1 seed in this group.

Well done to T&T. Sweden looked old and had no ideas, T&T rode their luck. I'm just disappointed that it'll probably make the group easier for England.

Sweden wasn't the #1 seed? I thought they were, thought I heard them say that on the TV. LOL...ah well...regardless, Sweden certainly should have done better, especially being a man up for 45 minutes on a side that (on paper) was weaker.

Sweden did certainly look old and tired, the shots that they managed to even take were mostly directly at Hislop (and his positioning was perfect) or weak enough that they were mostly easy saves.

I couldn't believe that the entire half they were just pounding the ball down to the target men and trying to slip into the box that way. If you're a man up you hafta build the ball up patiently, bring #'s forward and use the extra man to your advantage to get someone open in the box. But Sweden seemed intent on playing over-the-top.

GrantDawg · 06-10-2006, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by George W Bush

Trinidad was awesome, but Tobago was a bit disappointing...

A+ line.

Critch · 06-10-2006, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Sweden wasn't the #1 seed? I thought they were, thought I heard them say that on the TV. LOL...ah well...regardless, Sweden certainly should have done better, especially being a man up for 45 minutes on a side that (on paper) was weaker.

That's your problem then, you were assuming the commentary team knew what they were talking about

I think they did say Sweden was a #1 seed when they were trying to make an analogy to an NCAA upset.

GrantDawg · 06-10-2006, 01:06 PM

And to say the WC is unimportant in the States...

I have had ESPNHD for a good while but no ESPN2HD. Not through the Bowl games. Not through the Baseball season last year (where play-off games were). BUT, I do now suddenly have it before the WC.

MIJB#19 · 06-10-2006, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

European sides (save Germany) disappoint.

Germany looked terrible. Personally I had Ecuador rated at or above the Poland level, so that wasn't really surprizing. England didn't need to do anything to win given their early mead (but I have to be careful here, didn't see much from that game) and I expected them to struggle versus Paraguay. Sweden did disappoint, somehow their star players Ljungberg, Larsson and Ibrahimovic can't connect well.

All in all, you're probably right about these four disappointing a bit, but not on the same level.

GrantDawg · 06-10-2006, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MIJB#19

Germany looked terrible. Personally I had Ecuador rated at or above the Poland level, so that wasn't really surprizing. England didn't need to do anything to win given their early mead (but I have to be careful here, didn't see much from that game) and I expected them to struggle versus Paraguay. Sweden did disappoint, somehow their star players Ljungberg, Larsson and Ibrahimovic can't connect well.

All in all, you're probably right about these four disappointing a bit, but not on the same level.

Never said "same level." Poland from every expert I heard was expected to win. England looked rough for 88 minutes. Sweden had a one man advantage for a whole half. I would say all have been dissapointing.

MIJB#19 · 06-10-2006, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Never said "same level." Poland from every expert I heard was expected to win. England looked rough for 88 minutes. Sweden had a one man advantage for a whole half. I would say all have been dissapointing.

I'm not saying you are wrong, or that I disagree on the statement. Just saying that I wasn't totally shocked to see Poland lose. Trinidad & Tobago not losing 3-0, that's a surprise. Poland was disappointing, as was Sweden. England? who knows, the expectations for them are always put too high and winning 1-0 over Paraguay is a good score.

Plus I'm a little bit touchy to see "Europeans disappoint", don't take it personally, even though I did a bit.

Critch · 06-10-2006, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Never said "same level." Poland from every expert I heard was expected to win. England looked rough for 88 minutes. Sweden had a one man advantage for a whole half. I would say all have been dissapointing.

To be honest, I haven't been impressed by anybody yet.

AlexB · 06-10-2006, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Never said "same level." Poland from every expert I heard was expected to win. England looked rough for 88 minutes. Sweden had a one man advantage for a whole half. I would say all have been dissapointing.

I agree we disappointed second half, but I thought we were OK first half: didn't set the world on fire, but we were OK. Just lacked a little bit of quality in the final pass/shot, but build up play and pressing without the ball were good 1st half. I'd say we only disapointed for 45 minutes.

rexallllsc · 06-10-2006, 01:37 PM

Larsson looked absolutely terrible.

Critch · 06-10-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rexallllsc

Larsson looked absolutely terrible.

He's only started 7 games in the last two season, really looked too past his best to be a worthwhile partner for Ibrahimovic for the full 90 mnutes. Only time he was noticable in the second half was when he lost the ball and got booked.

Cringer · 06-10-2006, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Critch

To be honest, I haven't been impressed by anybody yet.

Do you want to see a picture of me?

st.cronin · 06-10-2006, 01:54 PM

Not a soccer fan by any means, but I thought England and Germany looked pretty good.

I definitely think the US will win, though.

DaddyTorgo · 06-10-2006, 01:57 PM

Argentina v. Ivory Coast is about to kickoff.

And can I take this tangent to wonder aloud why Riquelme hasn't made his "big-money" move in Europe yet? I think if Argentina has a good showing at this WC he certainly ought to move to something more high-profile than Villareal.

Joe · 06-10-2006, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MIJB#19

I'm not saying you are wrong, or that I disagree on the statement. Just saying that I wasn't totally shocked to see Poland lose. Trinidad & Tobago not losing 3-0, that's a surprise. Poland was disappointing, as was Sweden. England? who knows, the expectations for them are always put too high and winning 1-0 over Paraguay is a good score.

Plus I'm a little bit touchy to see "Europeans disappoint", don't take it personally, even though I did a bit.

He said european sides, not europeans. You don't play for a european side do you?

Cringer · 06-10-2006, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Not a soccer fan by any means, but I thought England and Germany looked pretty good.

I definitely think the US will win, though.

As someone who has not been a big fan for very long I feel reading some of these comments that I am like a Mexican at the 49ers/Cardinals game in Mexico City last year. I just am not sure of some of the finer points of the game so I think everyone looks pretty good. To the knowledgeable fan though, the teams look pretty sad.

Galaxy · 06-10-2006, 02:01 PM

Best game, in terms of the talent of teams, so far?

rexallllsc · 06-10-2006, 02:01 PM

I loved that the England-Paraguay game started today just as Paraguay kicked off. Great coverage, guys

PS - Marcelo Balboa is horrendous as an announcer - either that, or he's been told to seriously dumb things down.

MIJB#19 · 06-10-2006, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by George W Bush

He said european sides, not europeans. You don't play for a european side do you?

I missed my opportunity. Sigh...

Eaglesfan27 · 06-10-2006, 02:03 PM

This is the game I'm most looking forward to today.

MIJB#19 · 06-10-2006, 02:04 PM

Argentina vs. Ivory Coast. Finally a real game!

terpkristin · 06-10-2006, 02:07 PM

I fell asleep for the Sweden v. TT match, but I have it recorded.

Definitely looking forward to this match.
/tk

Cringer · 06-10-2006, 02:09 PM

If I get MLSLive.tv today, I will end up watching 4 games today. Guess I am liking soccer.

Hmm, I should put on my Houston jersey, I can pretend it's an Ivory Coast jersey for now. Go Ivory Coast. I cheer on all South American teams except Brazil and Argentina. edit

Meaning I am cheering against Agrentina, not that I think Ivory Coast is in South America)

Cringer · 06-10-2006, 02:15 PM

Wow. I thought that was a goal. But hard to say it was all the way in. Gees man.

MJ4H · 06-10-2006, 02:15 PM

Hmm, that was very close to being in.

biological warrior · 06-10-2006, 02:16 PM

Yet another case for Instant Replay.

DaddyTorgo · 06-10-2006, 02:16 PM

missed the hand-ball though. grrrrr! and damm that was close to being in on the header. argentina settling in and starting to bring the pressure i think, we'll see how long ivory coast can withstand it

MJ4H · 06-10-2006, 02:17 PM

That last look makes it look like he kept it out.

DaddyTorgo · 06-10-2006, 02:17 PM

no goal on the header though, i agree with that.

and there's no way instant-replay would ever work in soccer

Eaglesfan27 · 06-10-2006, 02:18 PM

After watching it multiple times on the TIVO, I think it was just stopped short of completely crossing. Very close either way.

terpkristin · 06-10-2006, 02:19 PM

Ditto on all counts.
It looked from the off-field angle that the ball went in, but on the replay near the goal line, it looked like it didn't cross completely.

This is already a fantastic match.

/tk

Eaglesfan27 · 06-10-2006, 02:21 PM

Bad pass there. They should have made something more with their number advantage.

DaddyTorgo · 06-10-2006, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Bad pass there. They should have made something more with their number advantage.

true. they need to get some shots on goal, keep the IC goalie rattled after that near-miss

DaddyTorgo · 06-10-2006, 02:24 PM

GOALLLLLL

beautiful ball by riquelme set that up

terpkristin · 06-10-2006, 02:25 PM

And that, my friends, is why they teach you how to react to set plays. That wasn't exactly a textbook defense...

/tk

DaddyTorgo · 06-10-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by terpkristin

And that, my friends, is why they teach you how to react to set plays. That wasn't exactly a textbook defense...

/tk

yeah. the SECOND that thing hit the ground i went "goal!"

there's no way at basically ANY level that that wouldn't result in a goal 9.5 times out of 10

terpkristin · 06-10-2006, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

yeah. the SECOND that thing hit the ground i went "goal!"

there's no way at basically ANY level that that wouldn't result in a goal 9.5 times out of 10

Absolutely.

DaddyTorgo · 06-10-2006, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by terpkristin

Absolutely.

course the IC keeper bears some of the blame for that, if i'm the keeper in that situation (which i have been)...ANYTHING into the 6 yard box I run people over cuz it's MINE

terpkristin · 06-10-2006, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

course the IC keeper bears some of the blame for that, if i'm the keeper in that situation (which i have been)...ANYTHING into the 6 yard box I run people over cuz it's MINE

As to that, I'll defer to the expert.

I haven't played keeper since I was 9.

Meanwhile, IC looks SLIGHTLY deflated right now, while Argentina seems to have stepped it up just a hair.

/tk

DaddyTorgo · 06-10-2006, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by terpkristin

As to that, I'll defer to the expert.

I haven't played keeper since I was 9.

Meanwhile, IC looks SLIGHTLY deflated right now, while Argentina seems to have stepped it up just a hair.

/tk

i didn't catch his positioning quite right (i'll have to wait for the HT replays to be sure) but it didn't seem to me that he came off his line for it. Yep and there we go a replay...he didn't come off his line AT ALL there. And he needed to be out there, even if it was just to punch the ball away.

MIJB#19 · 06-10-2006, 02:31 PM

It's sad to know I have to root against these two teams, because these two deserve playing 7 games.

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GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	European sides (save Germany) disappoint.

06-10-2006, 12:58 PM	#152
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	And we're not long for the last match of the day. Go Ivory Coast!

06-10-2006, 12:58 PM	#153
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	The TT defense did a good job to limit the open shots. I think I saw two decent shots by the Swedes all game

06-10-2006, 12:58 PM	#154
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	can't wait to see Argentina in an hour. WOOHOO

06-10-2006, 01:00 PM	#158
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	Trinidad was awesome, but Tobago was a bit disappointing...

06-10-2006, 01:06 PM	#163
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	And to say the WC is unimportant in the States... I have had ESPNHD for a good while but no ESPN2HD. Not through the Bowl games. Not through the Baseball season last year (where play-off games were). BUT, I do now suddenly have it before the WC.

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rexallllsc Banned Join Date: May 2003	Larsson looked absolutely terrible.

06-10-2006, 01:57 PM	#173
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Argentina v. Ivory Coast is about to kickoff. And can I take this tangent to wonder aloud why Riquelme hasn't made his "big-money" move in Europe yet? I think if Argentina has a good showing at this WC he certainly ought to move to something more high-profile than Villareal.

06-10-2006, 02:01 PM	#176
Galaxy Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2005	Best game, in terms of the talent of teams, so far?

06-10-2006, 02:01 PM	#177
rexallllsc Banned Join Date: May 2003	I loved that the England-Paraguay game started today just as Paraguay kicked off. Great coverage, guys PS - Marcelo Balboa is horrendous as an announcer - either that, or he's been told to seriously dumb things down.

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06-10-2006, 02:16 PM	#185
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DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	missed the hand-ball though. grrrrr! and damm that was close to being in on the header. argentina settling in and starting to bring the pressure i think, we'll see how long ivory coast can withstand it

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DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	no goal on the header though, i agree with that. and there's no way instant-replay would ever work in soccer

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terpkristin Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ashburn, VA	Ditto on all counts. It looked from the off-field angle that the ball went in, but on the replay near the goal line, it looked like it didn't cross completely. This is already a fantastic match. /tk __________________ GO TERPS! https://www.flickr.com/photos/terpkristin https://twitter.com/terpkristin

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DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	GOALLLLLL beautiful ball by riquelme set that up

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