Alright, boyz!! Here we go...FM 2007 First Impressions - Page 2

Passacaglia · 10-20-2006, 02:49 PM

This is pretty strange -- playing the demo, I had my scouts scouting Spain, and they all had several guys on their list of scouted players after 1 month. Or are you talking about something else?

SackAttack · 10-20-2006, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

This is pretty strange -- playing the demo, I had my scouts scouting Spain, and they all had several guys on their list of scouted players after 1 month. Or are you talking about something else?

Nope, pretty sure that's what I'm talking about.

My England scout is up to 9 players on his list after his trip ended and I restarted it, but Germany-boy is still stuck with 6 guys, and he's on his third go-round.

FrogMan · 10-20-2006, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

Nope, pretty sure that's what I'm talking about.

My England scout is up to 9 players on his list after his trip ended and I restarted it, but Germany-boy is still stuck with 6 guys, and he's on his third go-round.

and how good is your scout at judging player potential and current ability?

FM

path12 · 10-20-2006, 03:15 PM

Might it also have something to do with how good your team is?

I know if I'm in conference or something like that my scouts will find tons of players because my team isn't that talented. When you get up more towards Premiership you might find less because there's less out there that will be a benefit...don't remember what team you are playing with.

Bea-Arthurs Hip · 10-20-2006, 03:25 PM

I pre-ordered at Gogamer last year and got on release day. So I figured I would be smart again and pay the extra money for next day delivery and preorder again with them.

So, I log on to check my order wednesday and it says "processing title in stock should ship in 24 hrs". I fire off an email to customer support this morning as it still reads the same. I decide to check my email to see if I have gotten any response and to my surprise I have a confirmation of order cancellation

.Flipping scrotums.

I have never had a problem with them like this. Oh well, I intend to send a complaint but at this point I guess I will wait for the digital download.

SackAttack · 10-20-2006, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FrogMan

and how good is your scout at judging player potential and current ability?

FM

Not as good as before both my scouts got poached within three days of the league starting, I can say that. That said, the guys I have left (and I just hired a third):

Kevin Kavanaugh (England/Scotland): 15 ability, 13 potential
Robert Turner (England/Germany): 14 ability, 12 potential
Stephen Howes (England/Wales): 12 ability, 14 potential

I would expect guys not as good at judging ability/potential to yield more, not fewer, players, as I would expect there to be some measure of overrating going on as well as underrating.

SackAttack · 10-20-2006, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Might it also have something to do with how good your team is?

I know if I'm in conference or something like that my scouts will find tons of players because my team isn't that talented. When you get up more towards Premiership you might find less because there's less out there that will be a benefit...don't remember what team you are playing with.

Maybe. I'm playing with West Brom, and we're currently tearing up the Championship.

But the problem with that though is that there's virtually no communication from my scouts unless they're talking about my own players. No "Sorry, Boss, there just isn't much out there we think is useful."

Which makes it hard to figure out what's going on.

SackAttack · 10-20-2006, 04:04 PM

Dammit, no!

Nigel Pearson poached away (he's my assistant coach) to go run Sheffield Wednesday.

That makes, like, five staff members I've lost in less than half a season.

SackAttack · 10-20-2006, 04:04 PM

In fairness, he's making $375k at the new job, whereas I could only pay him $110k.

So that's the first staff member I've lost where I can really understand the reasoning.

Passacaglia · 10-20-2006, 04:40 PM

I wonder if some of it is because these guys don't want to work for a virtual unknown. If so, that's kinda cool. But for those who want to start out with a big team, it kinda takes away the fun.

SackAttack · 10-20-2006, 04:50 PM

Well the thing is, we're not really a "big" team. We're a Premiership yo-yo squad. Good enough to dominate the Championship (which we're doing), but I fully expect when we get promoted, we're going to spend next year fighting like mad not to go down again.

On the bright side, we just had a ridiculously profitable month, doubling our profits for the season.

Maybe the board can see through to letting me have more money for wages so I can, you know, cover the rash of injuries?

SackAttack · 10-20-2006, 04:53 PM

It'd be nice if you could give the board reasoning for the funds request. As it stands, I can ask them for more (I'm over budget right now so I can't DO anything to get players who'd be marginally useful, even with the $5m transfer budget), and if they say no, I can give them an ultimatum.

No way to say "look, our entire frontcourt is out for two months, can I PLEASE sign some new players?"

Passacaglia · 10-20-2006, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

Well the thing is, we're not really a "big" team. We're a Premiership yo-yo squad. Good enough to dominate the Championship (which we're doing), but I fully expect when we get promoted, we're going to spend next year fighting like mad not to go down again.

On the bright side, we just had a ridiculously profitable month, doubling our profits for the season.

Maybe the board can see through to letting me have more money for wages so I can, you know, cover the rash of injuries?

Since I usually play in Conference North or South, that seems like a big team to me. YMMV.

KJDelaney · 10-20-2006, 05:27 PM

Is FM 2007 available here in the US via download?

DaddyTorgo · 10-20-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KJDelaney

Is FM 2007 available here in the US via download?

it will be. it's not out yet though. word is it will be b/w the 24th and 31st (closer to 24th prolly)

Passacaglia · 10-20-2006, 05:30 PM

Sack, can it be played small screen?

KJDelaney · 10-20-2006, 05:33 PM

Thanks Daddy.

SirFozzie · 10-20-2006, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Sack, can it be played small screen?

It can, you do not have to play full screen

Passacaglia · 10-20-2006, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

It can, you do not have to play full screen

Yeah, there's an option to turn off the full screen, but that's never worked for me, unless I run the path with -small_screen (or something -- it seems like it changes every year) at the end. And even then, my computer doesn't seem to like running that path unless there are no spaces in it (for example, I have to rename the directory "Sports Interactive" to "SportsInteractive") -- it can be a PITA, but as long as Marc tells me what to put at the end (which he always does), I'm cool.

klayman · 10-20-2006, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

Not as good as before both my scouts got poached within three days of the league starting, I can say that. That said, the guys I have left (and I just hired a third):

Kevin Kavanaugh (England/Scotland): 15 ability, 13 potential
Robert Turner (England/Germany): 14 ability, 12 potential
Stephen Howes (England/Wales): 12 ability, 14 potential

I would expect guys not as good at judging ability/potential to yield more, not fewer, players, as I would expect there to be some measure of overrating going on as well as underrating.

The scout's determination would influence the amount of players he finds more than his judging abilities.

Ajaxab · 10-20-2006, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I wonder if some of it is because these guys don't want to work for a virtual unknown. If so, that's kinda cool. But for those who want to start out with a big team, it kinda takes away the fun.

Sack, how did you label your level of experience at the beginning? Could they be leaving knowing that they're going to a club who has an established manager instead of a complete rookie at the helm? Of course if you created yourself as a player with a lot of experience from the outset, this is a moot point.

SackAttack · 10-21-2006, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Sack, can it be played small screen?

That's the theory.

It's never worked for me, allegedly because of my video card.

SackAttack · 10-21-2006, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by klayman

The scout's determination would influence the amount of players he finds more than his judging abilities.

Reaaaaaaaaaaaaaally.

That's news to me. Thank you, sir.

SackAttack · 10-21-2006, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Ajaxab

Sack, how did you label your level of experience at the beginning? Could they be leaving knowing that they're going to a club who has an established manager instead of a complete rookie at the helm? Of course if you created yourself as a player with a lot of experience from the outset, this is a moot point.

Random, although from the initial response of my supporters, it's likely I was 'randomly' assigned the rookie level. Still, I would expect that if that's influencing them to leave, that SI would have chosen that as a media response possibility, rather than 'base pay is unacceptable,' considering they've very nearly all taken the same amount to go to another team that I was offering them to stay.

'Ceptin' the last guy who left, Nigel Pearson; he took a 3x pay raise. I put out an advert for his replacement, and the Youth Coach for Man United said "ooh, ooh, me!" That surprised me a little.

Of course, he wants a raise from the $300k'ish that United are paying him to something closer to $900k to work for West Brom.

Marc Duffy · 10-21-2006, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

it will be. it's not out yet though. word is it will be b/w the 24th and 31st (closer to 24th prolly)

It wont be available for download during those dates. Not sure where you got them from.

KJDelaney · 10-21-2006, 02:06 AM

OK.

Any idea when, if at all?

SackAttack · 10-21-2006, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

Of course, he wants a raise from the $300k'ish that United are paying him to something closer to $900k to work for West Brom.

He settled for $400k/year and a $375k signing bonus. Plus, I owe Man United compensation of around $600k, I think. Expensive, but for a guy of that quality to replace the guy who left, I'll take it.

He'll still be making that when I hit the Premiership next season, which at only $25k/year more than he was making as a youth coach, should be a bargain.

DaddyTorgo · 10-21-2006, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Marc Duffy

It wont be available for download during those dates. Not sure where you got them from.

aaah. just assumed the digital download would be concurrent with the US release of WWSM

SackAttack · 10-21-2006, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

Reaaaaaaaaaaaaaally.

That's news to me. Thank you, sir.

Oh, Lord. All three scouts have determination of '1.'

SackAttack · 10-21-2006, 03:19 AM

I love this. Darlington have offered me a transfer fee of $0 for reserve Rob Davies, with a 40% sell-on clause.

That's hilarious.

Axxon · 10-21-2006, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

I love this. Darlington have offered me a transfer fee of $0 for reserve Rob Davies, with a 40% sell-on clause.

That's hilarious.

I've had deals like that work out. If it's a young guy who doesn't fit into your plans and you can't properly develop him, you let him go, he plays full time and becomes decent and gets bought by a premiership squad and BAM, profit you'd have never gotten on a straight sale.

Mostly though, the offers are laughable.

SackAttack · 10-21-2006, 04:00 AM

I'm really getting pissed off at Liverpool, Chelsea, and Arsenal continuing to pester me for Curtis Davies after months of 'no.'

It's to the point that Davies is upset now, and I really don't want to let him leave - he's so key to our defense that we'd go from clear promotion contenders to the Premiership to, at best, fighting for one of the playoff spots.

At best.

Icy · 10-21-2006, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by klayman

The scout's determination would influence the amount of players he finds more than his judging abilities.

That is really new to me too, where has that been talked about? or is it in the manual?

Damn can't wait for my game, i was hoping i could get it for the weekend as gamplay shipped it to me 3 days ago, i guess i'll receive it on Monday then.

Axxon · 10-21-2006, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

I'm really getting pissed off at Liverpool, Chelsea, and Arsenal continuing to pester me for Curtis Davies after months of 'no.'

It's to the point that Davies is upset now, and I really don't want to let him leave - he's so key to our defense that we'd go from clear promotion contenders to the Premiership to, at best, fighting for one of the playoff spots.

At best.

How much are they offering? Surely it's enough for you to buy a replacement or two even. Start shopping for the replacement before you let him go though. Since he's upset his performance is bound to start suffering.

Icy · 10-21-2006, 04:10 AM

Btw, are the SI forums having lots of troubles to load or is it my connection?

SackAttack · 10-21-2006, 04:10 AM

That's the thing. They aren't offering.

They're "inquiring as to how much I want." And doing it three times per week.

If they were offering me, I might consider listening for just that reason - sometimes you just can't say no.

What I've tried to do instead is ask him for a signing and then go get that player and hope that makes him happy.

DaddyTorgo · 10-21-2006, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

That's the thing. They aren't offering.

They're "inquiring as to how much I want." And doing it three times per week.

If they were offering me, I might consider listening for just that reason - sometimes you just can't say no.

What I've tried to do instead is ask him for a signing and then go get that player and hope that makes him happy.

just set his value high enough to drive them off...aka "this player is essentially untouchable"

or set it for something to allow you to get a replacement...3-4x his value or something

SackAttack · 10-21-2006, 04:20 AM

Yeah, I can't figure out how to set his value. I can figure out how to set the asking price but those don't seem to be the same thing.

Hey, on the bright side we're now making in the millions each month in profit.

AlexB · 10-21-2006, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

In fairness, he's making $375k at the new job, whereas I could only pay him $110k.

So that's the first staff member I've lost where I can really understand the reasoning.

And Nigel Pearson played for Sheff Wed for years - no doubt they will be listed under his favourite clubs

Icy · 10-21-2006, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

Yeah, I can't figure out how to set his value. I can figure out how to set the asking price but those don't seem to be the same thing.

This year you can't set player's value, it's done auto by the game and i think it improves realism, one thing is what you want for the player (asking price) and another thing what is his real value compared with other players.

DaddyTorgo · 10-21-2006, 04:29 AM

setting his asking price is what i meant. just used the wrong terminolgy cuz it's 5:30am

Desnudo · 10-21-2006, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

Yeah, I can't figure out how to set his value. I can figure out how to set the asking price but those don't seem to be the same thing.

Hey, on the bright side we're now making in the millions each month in profit.

You could also try setting his transfer status to "the club do not wish to sell this player."

SackAttack · 10-21-2006, 04:34 AM

It is.

The major clubs are ignoring that.

Axxon · 10-21-2006, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Icy

That is really new to me too, where has that been talked about? or is it in the manual?

Damn can't wait for my game, i was hoping i could get it for the weekend as gamplay shipped it to me 3 days ago, i guess i'll receive it on Monday then.

Marc's hints and tips has this information.

Icy · 10-21-2006, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

Marc's hints and tips has this information.

Ah thanks, is it out for 07 or is that the 06 one?

Axxon · 10-21-2006, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Icy

Ah thanks, is it out for 07 or is that the 06 one?

I don't think the new one is out yet.

klayman · 10-21-2006, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Icy

Ah thanks, is it out for 07 or is that the 06 one?

It might be in the 06 guide, but I think that has been the case since at least CM4, if not before. (determination == more scouted players)

path12 · 10-21-2006, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

That's the thing. They aren't offering.

They're "inquiring as to how much I want." And doing it three times per week.

If they were offering me, I might consider listening for just that reason - sometimes you just can't say no.

What I've tried to do instead is ask him for a signing and then go get that player and hope that makes him happy.

Go 10X value. They'll usually back off but sometimes they'll bite.

path12 · 10-21-2006, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by klayman

It might be in the 06 guide, but I think that has been the case since at least CM4, if not before. (determination == more scouted players)

Damn. Five years of playing this game and I never realized that. I thought I read that guide carefully too....

Thanks!

daedalus · 10-21-2006, 12:02 PM

Just send back a 10-15M, 50% sell-on with an additional 1M for appearance and possibly for international appearance. Oh, and a friendly. Usually holds them off for awhile. And, well, if it doesn't, then, hey, you have money.

Other one is to ask for that and replacement back. A Djourou from Arsenal for example would be a good replacement and, if you can get a good chunk of money on top of that, all the better.

10-20-2006, 03:15 PM	#54
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Might it also have something to do with how good your team is? I know if I'm in conference or something like that my scouts will find tons of players because my team isn't that talented. When you get up more towards Premiership you might find less because there's less out there that will be a benefit...don't remember what team you are playing with. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

10-20-2006, 03:25 PM	#55
Bea-Arthurs Hip H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The D	I pre-ordered at Gogamer last year and got on release day. So I figured I would be smart again and pay the extra money for next day delivery and preorder again with them. So, I log on to check my order wednesday and it says "processing title in stock should ship in 24 hrs". I fire off an email to customer support this morning as it still reads the same. I decide to check my email to see if I have gotten any response and to my surprise I have a confirmation of order cancellation .Flipping scrotums. I have never had a problem with them like this. Oh well, I intend to send a complaint but at this point I guess I will wait for the digital download. Last edited by Bea-Arthurs Hip : 10-20-2006 at 03:26 PM.

10-21-2006, 04:10 AM	#85
Icy Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toledo - Spain	Btw, are the SI forums having lots of troubles to load or is it my connection? __________________ Last edited by Icy : 10-21-2006 at 04:10 AM.

10-20-2006, 04:04 PM	#58
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	Dammit, no! Nigel Pearson poached away (he's my assistant coach) to go run Sheffield Wednesday. That makes, like, five staff members I've lost in less than half a season.

10-20-2006, 04:40 PM	#60
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I wonder if some of it is because these guys don't want to work for a virtual unknown. If so, that's kinda cool. But for those who want to start out with a big team, it kinda takes away the fun.

10-20-2006, 04:50 PM	#61
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	Well the thing is, we're not really a "big" team. We're a Premiership yo-yo squad. Good enough to dominate the Championship (which we're doing), but I fully expect when we get promoted, we're going to spend next year fighting like mad not to go down again. On the bright side, we just had a ridiculously profitable month, doubling our profits for the season. Maybe the board can see through to letting me have more money for wages so I can, you know, cover the rash of injuries?

10-20-2006, 04:53 PM	#62
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	It'd be nice if you could give the board reasoning for the funds request. As it stands, I can ask them for more (I'm over budget right now so I can't DO anything to get players who'd be marginally useful, even with the $5m transfer budget), and if they say no, I can give them an ultimatum. No way to say "look, our entire frontcourt is out for two months, can I PLEASE sign some new players?"

10-20-2006, 05:27 PM	#64
KJDelaney High School JV Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Lewisville, TX	Is FM 2007 available here in the US via download?

10-20-2006, 05:30 PM	#66
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Sack, can it be played small screen?

10-20-2006, 05:33 PM	#67
KJDelaney High School JV Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Lewisville, TX	Thanks Daddy.

10-21-2006, 02:06 AM	#76
KJDelaney High School JV Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Lewisville, TX	OK. Any idea when, if at all?

10-21-2006, 03:19 AM	#80
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	I love this. Darlington have offered me a transfer fee of $0 for reserve Rob Davies, with a 40% sell-on clause. That's hilarious.

10-21-2006, 04:00 AM	#82
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	I'm really getting pissed off at Liverpool, Chelsea, and Arsenal continuing to pester me for Curtis Davies after months of 'no.' It's to the point that Davies is upset now, and I really don't want to let him leave - he's so key to our defense that we'd go from clear promotion contenders to the Premiership to, at best, fighting for one of the playoff spots. At best.

10-21-2006, 04:20 AM	#88
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	Yeah, I can't figure out how to set his value. I can figure out how to set the asking price but those don't seem to be the same thing. Hey, on the bright side we're now making in the millions each month in profit.

10-21-2006, 04:29 AM	#91
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	setting his asking price is what i meant. just used the wrong terminolgy cuz it's 5:30am

10-21-2006, 04:34 AM	#93
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	It is. The major clubs are ignoring that.

10-21-2006, 12:02 PM	#100
daedalus Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	Just send back a 10-15M, 50% sell-on with an additional 1M for appearance and possibly for international appearance. Oh, and a friendly. Usually holds them off for awhile. And, well, if it doesn't, then, hey, you have money. Other one is to ask for that and replacement back. A Djourou from Arsenal for example would be a good replacement and, if you can get a good chunk of money on top of that, all the better.

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