The OFFICIAL NHL 2009-10 Offseason Thread - Page 7

Maple Leafs · 06-30-2009, 10:13 PM

Heatley is a done deal, apparently.

Maple Leafs · 06-30-2009, 10:15 PM

Everyone focus on this one fact: We're going to get to hear Bryan Murray say "Ladislav Smid".

Tekneek · 06-30-2009, 10:15 PM

Penner (fine, don't care), Cogs (may not make it to his potential), Smid (really hate this part), for Heatley (great goal scoring, black hole where his heart should be).

johnnyshaka · 06-30-2009, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Everyone focus on this one fact: We're going to get to hear Bryan Murray say "Ladislav Smid".

GOLD!!!

Maple Leafs · 06-30-2009, 10:36 PM

Now some reporters on twitter are saying Heatley may not have waived yet. Keep in mind, he has until 12:01 tonight.

If he backs out now, it will be the worst thing he has ever done to anybody.

Tekneek · 06-30-2009, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

If he backs out now, it will be the worst thing he has ever done to anybody.

Ummm...no.

Might be doing the Oilers a favor by not agreeing to it. Not sure he would fit in well with that bunch in Edmonton.

johnnyshaka · 06-30-2009, 11:16 PM

Well, TSN is now saying Heatley didn't waive his NTC in time. Hmmm.

Tekneek · 06-30-2009, 11:22 PM

Good. I hope he retires.

johnnyshaka · 06-30-2009, 11:31 PM

Looks like the deal doesn't have to be done by tonight, if the deal is still on...tomorrow by midnight is the deadline the NHL says the Sens have to transfer the roster bonus to which ever team.

chrisj · 06-30-2009, 11:31 PM

TSN is reporting that the deadline is actually midnight on July 1st. If the trade occurs prior to midnight then, the $4 million payment can be transferred to the new team.

DeToxRox · 06-30-2009, 11:32 PM

I am reading on HF that Heatley rejected the deal.

chrisj · 06-30-2009, 11:33 PM

I don't think he did yet - he hasn't waived it yet. Sounds like he wants to go to New York, but in the end might accept a trade to Edmonton if they can't get one done tomorrow.

Tekneek · 06-30-2009, 11:34 PM

Yeah, this deal is dead. Heatley did not waive the NTC for a move to Edmonton. The door may be open for other teams, but he is giving the finger to Edmonton.

I'd rather not have him on the Oilers, myself, so this works for me.

Chief Rum · 06-30-2009, 11:49 PM

You know, I dislike the Oilers as much as Flames fans do, but if Heatley doesn't waive his NTC after making such a big fuss about wanting out, that makes him a piece of crap, IMO. I guess this is par for the course for a guy who, IIRC, dodged his civic responsibilties in Atlanta following his conviction, and in general doesn't show up when his team needs it. Edmonton might be better with Heatley the player, but they are without a doubt better without Heatley the man.

RomaGoth · 07-01-2009, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

You know, I dislike the Oilers as much as Flames fans do, but if Heatley doesn't waive his NTC after making such a big fuss about wanting out, that makes him a piece of crap, IMO. I guess this is par for the course for a guy who, IIRC, dodged his civic responsibilties in Atlanta following his conviction, and in general doesn't show up when his team needs it. Edmonton might be better with Heatley the player, but they are without a doubt better without Heatley the man.

Not sure that Heatley = man...

Honolulu_Blue · 07-01-2009, 08:57 AM

While Heatley has come across like a jerk, you really can't blame him for exercising his contractual rights. The Senators agreeed to including a "no movement" clause in his contract, so they really have no one to blame but themselves.

Still, I feel bad for the Oilers.

The main reason to be pissed at Heatley is because he's depriving us of this:

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Everyone focus on this one fact: We're going to get to hear Bryan Murray say "Ladislav Smid".

Tekneek · 07-01-2009, 09:10 AM

I do find it quite odd that players can put in a trade demand, but then get to pick and choose which teams they will go to. An absurdity within sports. If you put in a trade demand, that should be an immediate waiver of any no-trade/no-movement clauses.

Fidatelo · 07-01-2009, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Tekneek

I do find it quite odd that players can put in a trade demand, but then get to pick and choose which teams they will go to. An absurdity within sports. If you put in a trade demand, that should be an immediate waiver of any no-trade/no-movement clauses.

+1

Honolulu_Blue · 07-01-2009, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Tekneek

I do find it quite odd that players can put in a trade demand, but then get to pick and choose which teams they will go to. An absurdity within sports. If you put in a trade demand, that should be an immediate waiver of any no-trade/no-movement clauses.

While demanding to be traded and then nixing a potential deal because you don't like where you'd end up isn't at all flattering to the player, I don't see any reason why asking to be moved should nullify a contractual right, unless, of course, that's written into the contract.

GM's throw these "no trade" or "no movement" clauses into deals all the time without ever really thinking about the eventual consequences (see, e.g., Toronto at the 2008 trade deadline).

Logan · 07-01-2009, 09:54 AM

What's the best site to keep refreshing today...tsn.ca?

Dr. Sak · 07-01-2009, 09:57 AM

Yeah probably TSN. I have XM Home Ice on and I'll post anything I hear.

Honolulu_Blue · 07-01-2009, 10:00 AM

I tend to go to Kuklaskorner.com. It acts as a pretty good clearing house for information.

Dr. Sak · 07-01-2009, 10:23 AM

Sendins resign with Vancouver. 5 years, 6.1 mil per. Per TSN

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283415

Draft Dodger · 07-01-2009, 10:24 AM

that's a lot more reasonable than 12 years.

sterlingice · 07-01-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Sendins resign with Vancouver. 5 years, 6.1 mil per. Per TSN

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283415

That whole saga has just been cool to see and glad to see it continue at a fairly reasonable rate. I was trying to explain this to one of the guys in the office that doesn't follow hockey about how it would be like the Clippers somehow finding a way to trade up to #2 in this year's draft to get Taylor Griffin and then both playing well for the team for quite a while.

SI

Draft Dodger · 07-01-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

That whole saga has just been cool to see and glad to see it continue at a fairly reasonable rate. I was trying to explain this to one of the guys in the office that doesn't follow hockey about how it would be like the Clippers somehow finding a way to trade up to #2 in this year's draft to get Taylor Griffin and then both playing well for the team for quite a while.

SI

and for Griggin to be a twin and after several years in the league they'd have EXACTLY the same number of points.

Dr. Sak · 07-01-2009, 11:16 AM

Ohlund signed with the Lightning

Dr. Sak · 07-01-2009, 11:24 AM

7 years....3.5 mil per.

Dr. Sak · 07-01-2009, 11:46 AM

TSN is reporting Hossa has been in talks with the Blackhawks. Maybe he can negotiate for the nut that Patrick Sharp took from Lidstrom.

Dr. Sak · 07-01-2009, 11:54 AM

Kovy back to Montreal.

DeToxRox · 07-01-2009, 11:59 AM

On HF guys are saying some station in Montreal is saying Hossa gets 60 mil over 6 years which obviously cannot be right. I bet it's 60 mil over 10 years if nothing else, but how do they do that with Kane and Toews both becoming RFA? That is going to be bad, bad news for the Hawks because if those two are not locked up before they test FA someone will sign them to massive sheets.

Dr. Sak · 07-01-2009, 12:16 PM

Colton Orr to the Leafs...Maple Leafs is in love.

Logan · 07-01-2009, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Colton Orr to the Leafs...Maple Leafs is in love.

DGB might crash!

DataKing · 07-01-2009, 12:23 PM

The Chicago media will tear the Hawks front office to shreds if they let Kane or Toews leave. They absolutely love both of those guys.

bbor · 07-01-2009, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Colton Orr to the Leafs...Maple Leafs is in love.

I don't get this...i mean...i understand Burke want to get tougher....but the Leafs had a perfectly good goon that could play 3-5 minutes a game in the minors and they did'nt qualify him.So why spend 4/1M on Orr?Can he play more than 3-5 min a game without hurting you?

Honolulu_Blue · 07-01-2009, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bbor

I don't get this...i mean...i understand Burke want to get tougher....but the Leafs had a perfectly good goon that could play 3-5 minutes a game in the minors and they did'nt qualify him.So why spend 4/1M on Orr?Can he play more than 3-5 min a game without hurting you?

This is why:

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Originally Posted by Brian Burke

We require, as a team, proper levels of pugnacity, testosterone, truculence and belligerence. That's how our teams play."

Apparently that goon in the minors does not give the Leafs a proper level of one of those four things.

Honolulu_Blue · 07-01-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DataKing

The Chicago media will tear the Hawks front office to shreds if they let Kane or Toews leave. They absolutely love both of those guys.

I am sure the Blackhawks feels that they can sign Hossa to a $6 million type deal and still keep those two. Assuming the cap doesn't drop drastically, I think they could pull it off. Both Toews and Kane are young enough that they could sign them to ridiculously long, front-loaded deals that give them a ton of money but spread it over a long period of time to make it more cap friendly, like the Zetterberg and Franzen deals.

If they were really hard pressed, they could try to trade or waive Brian Campbell.

Maple Leafs · 07-01-2009, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bbor

I don't get this...i mean...i understand Burke want to get tougher....but the Leafs had a perfectly good goon that could play 3-5 minutes a game in the minors and they did'nt qualify him.

No, they didn't.

The Leafs have lots of guys who will fight (Ondrus, Deveaux, Newbury). But none of them are very good at it. There's not a single guy in the Leafs system who can look sideways at a legit heavyweight, let alone claim to be one.

(Until now.)

Damien Cox on twitter just said the Leafs have dealt Kubina, but gave no details.

Dr. Sak · 07-01-2009, 12:43 PM

I heard that Kubina will be delta and Beauchemin will be signed.

bbor · 07-01-2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

No, they didn't.

The Leafs have lots of guys who will fight (Ondrus, Deveaux, Newbury). But none of them are very good at it. There's not a single guy in the Leafs system who can look sideways at a legit heavyweight, let alone claim to be one.

(Until now.)

Damien Cox on twitter just said the Leafs have dealt Kubina, but gave no details.

I disagree about Deveaux....

Umm...you read Coxs' twitter?

Dr. Sak · 07-01-2009, 12:46 PM

Kovy's agent says he's still on the market.

Dr. Sak · 07-01-2009, 12:48 PM

TSN Reporting Hossa to Chicago.

DataKing · 07-01-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I am sure the Blackhawks feels that they can sign Hossa to a $6 million type deal and still keep those two. Assuming the cap doesn't drop drastically, I think they could pull it off. Both Toews and Kane are young enough that they could sign them to ridiculously long, front-loaded deals that give them a ton of money but spread it over a long period of time to make it more cap friendly, like the Zetterberg and Franzen deals.

If they were really hard pressed, they could try to trade or waive Brian Campbell.

The Hawks actually have more cap room to work with than I realized. They were paying Havlat 6m. They'll miss him, but he's not worth 6m. If they can turn that same 6m into a Hossa signing, that would be worth it. Campbell and Huet are both overpaid, both other than that I don't see anything truly cap-threatening on their books.

Logan · 07-01-2009, 01:00 PM

Heard Brashear is headed to the Rangers. Gross, especially after what happened with Betts in the playoffs.

Dr. Sak · 07-01-2009, 01:09 PM

On other board I am hearing the Hawks are close to dealing Huet.

DeToxRox · 07-01-2009, 01:09 PM

Hossa is a 12 year deal with a 5.2 cap hit.

DeToxRox · 07-01-2009, 01:10 PM

Here's a rumor that makes no sense ..

Havlat: 8 years, 8 mil per to LA. Apparently some radio station reporting it.

Pyser · 07-01-2009, 01:10 PM

oh good. hockeys gone crazy. 12 years. nice.

Dr. Sak · 07-01-2009, 01:12 PM

Crap..Ty Conklin to the Blues.

Honolulu_Blue · 07-01-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Hossa is a 12 year deal with a 5.2 cap hit.

That's a very reasonable cap hit for a guy like Hossa. Very reasonable. Probably just a little bit outside of what Detroit could offer.

It will be really interesting to see what all these teams with players with 10+ year contracts look in the next 6-8 years.

06-30-2009, 10:13 PM	#301
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Heatley is a done deal, apparently. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

06-30-2009, 10:15 PM	#302
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Everyone focus on this one fact: We're going to get to hear Bryan Murray say "Ladislav Smid". __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

06-30-2009, 10:36 PM	#305
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Now some reporters on twitter are saying Heatley may not have waived yet. Keep in mind, he has until 12:01 tonight. If he backs out now, it will be the worst thing he has ever done to anybody. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

06-30-2009, 11:31 PM	#310
chrisj H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Edmonton, Alberta (but still wishing I was in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada)	TSN is reporting that the deadline is actually midnight on July 1st. If the trade occurs prior to midnight then, the $4 million payment can be transferred to the new team. __________________ Canadian Baseball League - an OOTP online league

06-30-2009, 11:33 PM	#312
chrisj H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Edmonton, Alberta (but still wishing I was in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada)	I don't think he did yet - he hasn't waived it yet. Sounds like he wants to go to New York, but in the end might accept a trade to Edmonton if they can't get one done tomorrow. __________________ Canadian Baseball League - an OOTP online league

06-30-2009, 10:15 PM	#303
Tekneek Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: USA	Penner (fine, don't care), Cogs (may not make it to his potential), Smid (really hate this part), for Heatley (great goal scoring, black hole where his heart should be).

06-30-2009, 11:16 PM	#307
johnnyshaka College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Edmonton, AB	Well, TSN is now saying Heatley didn't waive his NTC in time. Hmmm.

06-30-2009, 11:22 PM	#308
Tekneek Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: USA	Good. I hope he retires.

06-30-2009, 11:31 PM	#309
johnnyshaka College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Edmonton, AB	Looks like the deal doesn't have to be done by tonight, if the deal is still on...tomorrow by midnight is the deadline the NHL says the Sens have to transfer the roster bonus to which ever team.

06-30-2009, 11:32 PM	#311
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	I am reading on HF that Heatley rejected the deal.

06-30-2009, 11:34 PM	#313
Tekneek Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: USA	Yeah, this deal is dead. Heatley did not waive the NTC for a move to Edmonton. The door may be open for other teams, but he is giving the finger to Edmonton. I'd rather not have him on the Oilers, myself, so this works for me. Last edited by Tekneek : 06-30-2009 at 11:37 PM.

06-30-2009, 11:49 PM	#314
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	You know, I dislike the Oilers as much as Flames fans do, but if Heatley doesn't waive his NTC after making such a big fuss about wanting out, that makes him a piece of crap, IMO. I guess this is par for the course for a guy who, IIRC, dodged his civic responsibilties in Atlanta following his conviction, and in general doesn't show up when his team needs it. Edmonton might be better with Heatley the player, but they are without a doubt better without Heatley the man. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

07-01-2009, 09:10 AM	#317
Tekneek Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: USA	I do find it quite odd that players can put in a trade demand, but then get to pick and choose which teams they will go to. An absurdity within sports. If you put in a trade demand, that should be an immediate waiver of any no-trade/no-movement clauses.

07-01-2009, 09:54 AM	#320
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	What's the best site to keep refreshing today...tsn.ca?

07-01-2009, 09:57 AM	#321
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	Yeah probably TSN. I have XM Home Ice on and I'll post anything I hear.

07-01-2009, 10:00 AM	#322
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	I tend to go to Kuklaskorner.com. It acts as a pretty good clearing house for information. __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

07-01-2009, 10:23 AM	#323
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	Sendins resign with Vancouver. 5 years, 6.1 mil per. Per TSN http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283415

07-01-2009, 10:24 AM	#324
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	that's a lot more reasonable than 12 years. __________________ Mile High Hockey

07-01-2009, 11:16 AM	#327
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	Ohlund signed with the Lightning

07-01-2009, 11:24 AM	#328
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	7 years....3.5 mil per. Last edited by Dr. Sak : 07-01-2009 at 11:33 AM.

07-01-2009, 11:46 AM	#329
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	TSN is reporting Hossa has been in talks with the Blackhawks. Maybe he can negotiate for the nut that Patrick Sharp took from Lidstrom.

07-01-2009, 11:54 AM	#330
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	Kovy back to Montreal.

07-01-2009, 11:59 AM	#331
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	On HF guys are saying some station in Montreal is saying Hossa gets 60 mil over 6 years which obviously cannot be right. I bet it's 60 mil over 10 years if nothing else, but how do they do that with Kane and Toews both becoming RFA? That is going to be bad, bad news for the Hawks because if those two are not locked up before they test FA someone will sign them to massive sheets.

07-01-2009, 12:16 PM	#332
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	Colton Orr to the Leafs...Maple Leafs is in love. Last edited by Dr. Sak : 07-01-2009 at 12:16 PM.

07-01-2009, 12:23 PM	#334
DataKing Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Chicago	The Chicago media will tear the Hawks front office to shreds if they let Kane or Toews leave. They absolutely love both of those guys. __________________ Current Games Diablo III (BattleTag: DataKing#1685) Allegiances: Chicago Bears - Detroit Red Wings - Kansas Jayhawks Awards: 2011 Golden Scribe - Other Sports Category (The Straight(away) and Narrow - A Forza Motorsport 3 Dynasty)

07-01-2009, 12:43 PM	#339
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	I heard that Kubina will be delta and Beauchemin will be signed.

07-01-2009, 12:46 PM	#341
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	Kovy's agent says he's still on the market.

07-01-2009, 12:48 PM	#342
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	TSN Reporting Hossa to Chicago.

07-01-2009, 01:00 PM	#344
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Heard Brashear is headed to the Rangers. Gross, especially after what happened with Betts in the playoffs.

07-01-2009, 01:09 PM	#345
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	On other board I am hearing the Hawks are close to dealing Huet.

07-01-2009, 01:09 PM	#346
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Hossa is a 12 year deal with a 5.2 cap hit.

07-01-2009, 01:10 PM	#347
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Here's a rumor that makes no sense .. Havlat: 8 years, 8 mil per to LA. Apparently some radio station reporting it.

07-01-2009, 01:10 PM	#348
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	oh good. hockeys gone crazy. 12 years. nice.

07-01-2009, 01:12 PM	#349
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	Crap..Ty Conklin to the Blues.

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