WW XCIII - Mine Wars - Battle of Blair Mountain - SYMPATHIZERS WIN!!!

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

At this point I'm thinking clap or DT. Thinking the wolves would want us to think that they would arrest someone who worked on a job that they were not on (the whole reverse psychology thing).

But this is just early speculation at this point.

One thing I noticed also, DT was around during some deadline confussion. Could have been a smokescreen.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

guys - the boom means they can't stop us today (except by faking work i guess). at least that was my understanding of the description of it

Strike three

[EagleFan]

I'm out for a while. Time to plan the invasion of Europe (HoI2).

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I'll have to wait until later to look, I am already running late and need to shower so I don't stink like day old vodka. Was hoping I would have time to rub one out but reading this thread has killed that dream.

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Where were you at the time of the break in?!?!?!

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I was also wondering...

Has PB ever been near a grassy knoll?

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Does the name John Andre bring up bad memories PB?


Sorry, just having a little fun with ya...

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Although Barkeep protests his innocence, a quick review of the arrest warrant shows it to appear true, and you reluctantly allow Barkeep to be lead away and jailed for Solicitation.

The results sucked.

However, the write up did motivate me to collect my favorite quotes thus far this game.

[Glengoyne]

Earlier I threw DT and NTN out for conversation. Those are the only two non-cleared votes for PurdueBrad on Day 5. Neither of them voted on Day 3.

With Poli out, we don't have a guaranteed vote for Danny, but does anyone else think he is worth consideration?

For the scan tonight, do we have suggestions for target?

[DaddyTorgo]

except i blew up the mine to occupy the sympathizers EF

interesting that you're so quick to jump on me though

[Passacaglia]

Wow, you guys are really bad at this.

[DaddyTorgo]

idk why they could still do an arrest - abe's always got complicated rulesets though

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by Lathum

One thing I noticed also, DT was around during some deadline confussion. Could have been a smokescreen.

With the arrest in the works, would the wolves have needed any confusion?

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Wow, you guys are really bad at this.

We are a sad set of villagers.

I'm pretty certain that the wolves are better organized. I'm thinking about asking to be bribed, 'cause you guys have to be having more fun.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

With the arrest in the works, would the wolves have needed any confusion?

I dunno, I have no idea how the arrest works.

[Lathum]

I need to go check something out but it is gonna take some searching

[Glengoyne]

We've been talking about how the arrests don't require the wolves to "fake" their work.

Any thought that the mechanic could be that when a wolf "fakes" work, he is arrested?

That is truly thinking out loud. Perhaps that is the cover that the wolves would require to manipulate productivity, and obviously tip their hats.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

ATTENTION PLEASE.

The Sheriff of Boone County has arrived and presents an arrest warrant for EagleFan for arson!

He protests his innocence but to no avail. EagleFan has been arrested!

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Although you completed the Patrol task easily enough, in order to keep the company away from the strike camps, the other tasks were not so easy. (6/6)

Food distribution looked like it was to be a success, but when one of you was arrested, you just didn;t have enough to complete this task. The striking miners at the various camps throughout the creek simply did not get enough food. (13/15)

You were able to get the movement organized well enough (8/8) so you completed two out of your three goals here, but that is not enough, and Drawdy Creek remains unconverted.

The double punch of the area being prepared by the companies being informed ahead of time plus the arrest of EagleFan for arson was enough to keep you down.

At the next place, you promise to rededicate yourself.

You go to sleep for the day.

Night Two due at 1:00 am.

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

With the arrest of Barkeep you fail to make all of your work tasks today.

Totals:

Organization - 11/10, so you got the workers here very organized

Treasury - 6-8, but you failed to get them the money they need for striking.

As such, Lens Creek chooses not to unionize. Today was, unfortuantly, a failure. The combination of their preparation with the last minute arrest of Barkeep was damning.

Tomorrow there will be an Oust vote.

Night 7 actions are due by 1 am

So todays write up clearly states it was a last minute arrest, day 2 didn't indicate that.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

We've been talking about how the arrests don't require the wolves to "fake" their work.

Any thought that the mechanic could be that when a wolf "fakes" work, he is arrested?

That is truly thinking out loud. Perhaps that is the cover that the wolves would require to manipulate productivity, and obviously tip their hats.

No.

We already killed Pass and Jackal. That would mean BK, EF and USFL would all be wolves as well. I find that very unlikely.

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by Lathum

vote sequence

914 EF Votes PB
986 Pass votes Poli
989 Pass unvotes Poli
991 Pass votes Poli
998 Poli votes Pass
1063 Heinze votes Autumn
1116 Clap votes Pass
1134 Lathum votes Render
1149 Poli unvotes pass
1154 Pass unvotes Poli
1154 Pass votes Clap
1166 Danny votes Jackal
1190 Autumn votes Render
1202 Poli votes the Jackal
1205 The Jackal votes Render
1209 Dubb votes Render
1216 Heinze unvotes Autumn
1216 Heinze votes Jackal
1250 Dubb unvotes render
1250 Dubb votes BK
1255 CR votes Autumn
1300 Dubb unvotes BK
1304 Dubb votes Jackal
1312 BK votes Jackal
1331 Pass unvotes Clap
1331 Pass votes Render
1334 PB votes Jackal
1340 EF unvotes PB
1340 EF votes Jackal
1341 Dubb unvotes JAckal
1341 Dubb votes Render
1354 Render votes Jackal
1358 USFL votes Schmidty
1361 Dubb unvotes render
1361 Dubb votes Schmidty
1370 TheNorm votes no lynch
1372 The Jackal unvotes Render
1372 The Jackal votes Schmidty
1372- EF unvotes Jackal
1372- EF votes PB
1377 The Jackal unvotes Schmidty
1377 The JAckal votes Render

Day Three vote sequence...Just to bring it forward in the thread.

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by Lathum

No.

We already killed Pass and Jackal. That would mean BK, EF and USFL would all be wolves as well. I find that very unlikely.

Also EF was arrested on Day two...and guarded by Poli on Night 3.

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

Also EF was arrested on Day two...and guarded by Poli on Night 3.

Oh yeah, resulting in a BG block.

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

idk why they could still do an arrest - abe's always got complicated rulesets though

IIRC Abe said the explosion kept them occupied last night. So presumably no night kill/Conversion.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

IIRC Abe said the explosion kept them occupied last night. So presumably no night kill/Conversion.

Good point. I was going with DT's statement that they couldn't do anything today. If it prevented actions last night that is potentially good.

I believe we do suck at this, but I think we are getting a lot less information than the wolves, maybe I'm wrong.

We need to make tomorrow's vote count.

[TheNorm]

I don't know who I'm investigating tonight--I'm pretty much leaning toward the 'eeny-meeny-miney-mo' pick at this point.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by TheNorm

I don't know who I'm investigating tonight--I'm pretty much leaning toward the 'eeny-meeny-miney-mo' pick at this point.

Norm, whoever it is make sure you keep it a secret.

[USFLTecmo]

I don't like not knowing what mechanics are out there. It's hard to do any sort of planning knowing the wolves know rules about this game that I don't.

Again today, we lose because they can do something that we wouldn't be able to fight back from. I'm wondering if the "preparation" is a night move, eliminating their ability to make any other sorts of night moves, and that they are just playing the waiting game, waiting for us to fail enough camps to end the game without them having to be at the forefront, and letting us oust with minimal information. We've finally got some sort of CoT going, which is a good thing, but time appears to be running out, with all of our failures so far. I have to wonder, too, if the wolves know more about when the endgame is coming, and will be able to play the endgame on us without us even being aware of it?

[Glengoyne]

On the scan.

My only guidance would be to pick a target that would provide us some information beyond a simple clear/wolf id. Give clarity to the evidence that we have.

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by USFLTecmo

I don't like not knowing what mechanics are out there. It's hard to do any sort of planning knowing the wolves know rules about this game that I don't.

Again today, we lose because they can do something that we wouldn't be able to fight back from. I'm wondering if the "preparation" is a night move, eliminating their ability to make any other sorts of night moves, and that they are just playing the waiting game, waiting for us to fail enough camps to end the game without them having to be at the forefront, and letting us oust with minimal information. We've finally got some sort of CoT going, which is a good thing, but time appears to be running out, with all of our failures so far. I have to wonder, too, if the wolves know more about when the endgame is coming, and will be able to play the endgame on us without us even being aware of it?

This is what I'm afraid of now. Also, I'm thinking that Abe knew when he put the game together that the wolves would have the ability to block camps at will, using the arrest mechanic.

With the night kills not coming on the same day as the arrests, does that indicate that an arrest uses up the night kill action? Or does it prevent a kill, but allow for a bribe/conversion? Given that it looks like we're setup for a long game...maybe there aren't any conversions. The bribe amounts/immunity are just a distraction.

Sorry with so little information, I'm just trying to figure out what game we're playing.

[USFLTecmo]

Glengoyne, that last line is where I'm at, too. It'd be nice to know what was possible at any given "normal game day," assuming the events are planted in spots in the storyline where it makes sense.

[Lathum]

I think we are all at that spot and it is frusterating.

[TheNorm]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Norm, whoever it is make sure you keep it a secret.

Yup, did that the last time I could do anything and won't reveal until I either clear the person or (hopefully) nail one of these farging bastiges to the wall.

[Abe Sargent]

You begin to load the train early. You are headed south. The mines are not agreeing to raise salary and benefits despite the fact that for 6 years, labor has been relatively quiet in WV in order to get the coal out and help the war effort. Now you are being pushed aside and ignored. Again.

The events about to occur will make the West Virginia Mine War of 1912-1913 look like a really argumentative tea party in comparison.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by TheNorm

Yup, did that the last time I could do anything and won't reveal until I either clear the person or (hopefully) nail one of these farging bastiges to the wall.

"My grandmother nailed me to a wall once, once"

[Abe Sargent]

The above is not a write up, but a premble

[Abe Sargent]

What you do over he next few days, and how successful you are at converting and completing missions will determine the fate of labor, not just in West Virginia, but the nation as a whole.

[EagleFan]

Another CoT rundown:

Most Trusted
- TheNorm
- Barkeep49

Next Level
- jeheinz72 (1 in 12 shot at being cunning, if exists, lowest chance of conversion among this level)
- EagleFan (0% shot at being cunning, middle of the road chance at conversion)
- Chief Rum (1 in 12 shot at being cunning, similar conversion chance as EF)
- Lathum (1 in 12 shot at being cunning, highest conversion chance of this level)

Middle of the Road:
- DaddyTorgo (caused explosion to possibly prevent a night action)
- USFLTecmo (arrested, if arrests cause lack of night action then why risk keeping a wolf out of the action for a day)
- Glengoyne (lack of participation by Schmidty would bring too much attention to himself if a wolf, snce Glengoyne has taken the spot he has not appeared to be wolfish)

At risk:
- claphamsa (some curious decisions and quiet play)
- ntndeacon (has been pretty absent)
- Danny (some questionable votes)
- PurdueBrad (questionable work action, a few curious votes)
- RendeR (no real feel, though my gut says to elevate him to middle of the road)

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

What you do over he next few days, and how successful you are at converting and completing missions will determine the fate of labor, not just in West Virginia, but the nation as a whole.

so does this mean there are no more camps?

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

What you do over he next few days, and how successful you are at converting and completing missions will determine the fate of labor, not just in West Virginia, but the nation as a whole.

No pessure though...

[TheNorm]

Originally Posted by Lathum

"My grandmother nailed me to a wall once, once"

Kudos for someone getting that. I feel like watching that movie now.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by TheNorm

Kudos for someone getting that. I feel like watching that movie now.

classic flick

[DaddyTorgo]

so do we think since there was an arrest there won't be a night kill tonight?

[Danny]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

so do we think since there was an arrest there won't be a night kill tonight?

I would bet on no night kill.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Danny

I would bet on no night kill.

A little inside information?

[Danny]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

A little inside information?

[Glengoyne]

I'm thinking that the arrests have been so effective, that the wolves are either using that option at every opportunity they have or they are balancing the arrests with the night kills. The other option would seemingly be that they can use an arrest in the day, and still convert/kill at night. Which would simply mean that most everyone is a wolf, and that Abe himself is a sympathizer.

[Danny]

If the wolves can kill/convert and arrest on the same we are screwed because there have already been two nights with no kill/block which would mean there was a conversion.

[Abe Sargent]

Timestamp

[Abe Sargent]

Results shortly

[Abe Sargent]

The trains pull up in a city that will become infamous, where the forces of right and good and the law will collide violently with those of wrong and evil and the illegal. Even as you get off the train, the place seems stifling, as if the air about you senses impending doom.

You have arrived at Matewan.

Like Cabin Creek, Matewan will be a two-day venture. The work will accumulate over two days, and the mechanics will be identical.

The work that needs to be completed here is not that bad, actually.

Food Distribution: 10
Oratory: 10
Hunting: 8

There will be a vote to Oust today. There will be a mission today. Mission deadline is at 3:00 pm tomorrow afternoon. Day Eight is at 9 pm like normal.

As you finish exiting the train, you notice that TheNorm is not with you. He has simply disappeared. You sense that he will not be rejoining you.

However, you find Barkeep already here. The arrest warrant was fake and he has arrived here ahead of you.

Good luck in Matewan. You will not all leave alive.

[Abe Sargent]

TheNorm's role:

Union Recruiter – You are adept at understanding what makes a man or a miner tick. As such, you figure you are pretty good at finding Sympathizers. Once per night, as an action, you may Investigate a Miner to see if he is a sympathizer or not.

[Danny]

Well I was wrong and now my earlier theory on the mechanics looks wrong. This also looks scary in that there may have been conversions the two nights there was no night kill.

[Abe Sargent]

As you arrived in Matewan, you witness a scene repeated over and over again in West Virginia. Baldwin-Felts gun-thugs are evicting miner’s and their families. They believe these miners are associated with union activity, but have no proof. It doesn’t matter. The mines own everything here, the house, the stores, and the people.

However, you witness a scene you have never witnessed before. The Sheriff, a man by the name of Sid Hatfield (of the Hatfields and McCoys) walks up to the gun-thugs and tells them that they’ll need a warrant to evict the miners.

The gun-thugs are shocked. They say things like “This is our land,’ and “You know we can get them anytime.” Still, Sid will not be moved. Not only does he get the gun-thugs to stop the illegal evictions, but he forces them to put the things back into the house, and then tells them that guns are not allowed in town, and if they come back into town with guns, he will arrest them.

Not wanting to start a fight in clear daylight, and not sure how to handle the situation, the gun-thugs retreat but promise that they will be back.

Today you have a mission to recruit Sid Hatfield to your cause. This will be your last chance to recruit an ally in this game. Sid has the potential to be the most powerful ally of them all; a lawman who actually upholds the law and stands up to the companies, and cannot be bought.

[Danny]

Work Food Distribution