OT: A Song of Ice and Fire Series (spoilers inside) - Page 5

terpkristin · 06-30-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

End of the year at the latest is about 9 months earlier than I was expecting it. So, that's something.

Well, delivery is one thing. I don't know how long his editors take with it, or how long rewrites take, but I guess it's progress and I'll always take that.

/tk

ISiddiqui · 06-30-2006, 04:40 PM

YAY! End of year is very good

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Vince · 06-30-2006, 04:55 PM

Woohoo!

Galaril · 06-30-2006, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by terpkristin

DARNIT, HOW CAN HE TORTURE US SO!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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From GRRM's "Not A Blog":
Meanwhile, for those who do read this page... yes, I am still working on A DANCE WITH DRAGONS, and yes, I still hope to deliver it this fall, or by the end of the year at the latest.

I also have other news about A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE. A couple of things, actually, that I think will please and excite fans of the series. Unfortunately, I can't talk about them yet. Watch my News page, though. I should have a few big announcements in the next few months.
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What the heck is that? How can he give us something THAT tempting and just be so casual about it?!?!?!

/tk

I am guessing a movie deal or maybe a TV series based on the the Fire and Ice books probably on the SciFi Channel. Hope.

wade moore · 06-30-2006, 10:30 PM

Glad you bumped this...

I need to read this thread as I just finished the 4th book about a week ago.. so I read all four in about 4 months with another book or two in the middle, that's REALLY fast for me...

ISiddiqui · 06-30-2006, 10:32 PM

Screw Sci-Fi, but it on TNT, so it'll be on High-Def

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cschex · 06-30-2006, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril

I am guessing a movie deal or maybe a TV series based on the the Fire and Ice books probably on the SciFi Channel. Hope.

I'd love the TV series, but it would have to be on HBO. Can't have ASOIAF without the swearing and the incest, after all.

Honolulu_Blue · 06-30-2006, 11:44 PM

I was thinking along similar lines, a TV series/mini-series or something like that. I don't know. It would be hard to imagine something like that, especially since the series isn't over yet and wont likely be for quite... some... time.

Maybe it's a computer game. He's hinted at that a few times before during interviews.

ISiddiqui · 06-30-2006, 11:58 PM

RPG!

Though hopefully not a MMORPG!

Honolulu_Blue · 06-30-2006, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

RPG!

Though hopefully not a MMORPG!

Yes. Definitely not a MMORPG.

Honolulu_Blue · 07-01-2006, 12:00 AM

Dola.

I would love to see some sort of RPG/Tactical warfare type game. Oh baby!

ISiddiqui · 07-01-2006, 12:01 AM

It'd be great if it was an RPG of something like a Dunk & Egg story... something completely out of the current timeline of the books (I guess kind of KOTOR was to the Star Wars movies).

Honolulu_Blue · 07-01-2006, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

It'd be great if it was an RPG of something like a Dunk & Egg story... something completely out of the current timeline of the books (I guess kind of KOTOR was to the Star Wars movies).

Hmm... I think you could be on to something Squiddi-man!

cschex · 07-01-2006, 09:17 AM

That's an awesome idea. A tactical wargame based on the Blackfyre Rebellion would be incredible, imo. Or maybe a campaign game with Aegon the Conqueror.

Peregrine · 07-01-2006, 09:56 AM

Interesting speculation. There is already a board game based on the series, which is a very good one, and they have a lot of background to draw on for any kind of game.

Galaril · 07-30-2006, 10:49 PM

A fascinating interview with George.
http://a1018.g.akamai.net/f/1018/190...nInterview.mp3

ISiddiqui · 07-30-2006, 10:59 PM

Thanks, Galaril... I'm listening to it now

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ISiddiqui · 07-30-2006, 11:04 PM

Good to hear, Martin won't sell out for a FPS video game and would rather prefer a strategic one and wants the right partner.

Galaril · 08-04-2006, 07:37 PM

Yeah I was glad to here him mention a possible strategy game as well as some info on the future books in the series.

terpkristin · 08-04-2006, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril

A fascinating interview with George.
http://a1018.g.akamai.net/f/1018/190...nInterview.mp3

Thanks for sharing that interview. I quite enjoyed listening to it (finally!) today while waiting for my computer to stop being slow at work (I was listening to it on my iPod, so it's not like I was DIRECTLY slowing down my computer

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I'd love to see an RPG or RTS game based on this series (and that's saying something, as I am generally not a fan of RTS games). I know they have the board game, which is quite akin to Risk. I always thought GRRM was a Brit, was funny when I realized he wasn't.

/tk

RendeR · 08-05-2006, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Screw Sci-Fi, but it on TNT, so it'll be on High-Def

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gah, NO, TNT is awful, their utter incompetance when it comes to editing for television would leave this magnificent story in ashes.

Let Sci-Fi do an ongoing mini-series, 2-3 hours per episode so they can do the entire storyline of the books. It would be epic and I would schedule my life around the airings of new episodes.

Grammaticus · 08-05-2006, 01:33 AM

I believe there is a card game as well.

Honolulu_Blue · 08-05-2006, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Grammaticus

I believe there is a card game as well.

There is. I considered picking it up back when it came out, but then I saw the Ned Stark card and he looked more like "The Lord of the Dance" than The Lord of Winterfell, so I passed. It was a gut reaction and perhaps a bit quick as there is some fine art in the set. Still, it was a wise decision. I have no business getting into another card game.

sachmo71 · 08-05-2006, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

gah, NO, TNT is awful, their utter incompetance when it comes to editing for television would leave this magnificent story in ashes.

Let Sci-Fi do an ongoing mini-series, 2-3 hours per episode so they can do the entire storyline of the books. It would be epic and I would schedule my life around the airings of new episodes.

this would be worse than TNT.

Honolulu_Blue · 08-05-2006, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I was thinking along similar lines, a TV series/mini-series or something like that. I don't know. It would be hard to imagine something like that, especially since the series isn't over yet and wont likely be for quite... some... time.

I've thought about this a lot and I just don't think it'd be feasible to do any sort of television or movie version of this series and have it turn out well. It's too complex, there are too many characters, and so much of the meaty/cool stuff of these books are the intricacies between the characters, the plots, the small scenes. It's really hard to capture that well in tv or film. That's one of the big reasons why I don't think any film/tv adaptation of "Dune" has ever been close at capturing the coolness of the book. And "A Song of Fire & Ice" is about 10,000x's more intricate and complex than "Dune".

RendeR · 08-05-2006, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I've thought about this a lot and I just don't think it'd be feasible to do any sort of television or movie version of this series and have it turn out well. It's too complex, there are too many characters, and so much of the meaty/cool stuff of these books are the intricacies between the characters, the plots, the small scenes. It's really hard to capture that well in tv or film. That's one of the big reasons why I don't think any film/tv adaptation of "Dune" has ever been close at capturing the coolness of the book. And "A Song of Fire & Ice" is about 10,000x's more intricate and complex than "Dune".

On this point I must agree with you, I adore Dune and its entire world, but neither the movie or the extended mini-series of it were more than average in how they handled things.

I think it could be done, but I think it would take a seriously amaxing screenwriter and a collaboration of a number of top directors to pull it off.

RendeR · 08-05-2006, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

this would be worse than TNT.

Not really, the production would be better and the lack of "flash in the corner" advertising DURING the broadcast would be worth it.

TNT is a terrible terrible network.

Galaril · 08-05-2006, 11:11 AM

Here is a great site with a ton of art work which I belive some is from the card game and also from other artists including the site owner.

http://amoka.net/eng/gal/

Edward64 · 08-05-2006, 11:30 AM

I would love to see this series picked up by HBO (10-12 episodes for 1-2 seasons). There's probably not enough mass market appeal for the regular tv stations, but HBO might be able to do it justice.

ISiddiqui · 08-05-2006, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

gah, NO, TNT is awful, their utter incompetance when it comes to editing for television would leave this magnificent story in ashes.

Let Sci-Fi do an ongoing mini-series, 2-3 hours per episode so they can do the entire storyline of the books. It would be epic and I would schedule my life around the airings of new episodes.

Sci-Fi = no HDTV

TNT = HDTV

TNT wins.

ISiddiqui · 08-05-2006, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64

I would love to see this series picked up by HBO (10-12 episodes for 1-2 seasons). There's probably not enough mass market appeal for the regular tv stations, but HBO might be able to do it justice.

HBO is also a great choice

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sachmo71 · 08-05-2006, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

Not really, the production would be better and the lack of "flash in the corner" advertising DURING the broadcast would be worth it.

TNT is a terrible terrible network.

If it's a regular series, I'll give it a chance on sci-fi.
But movie and\or mini-series, and it's TNT all the way.

Jonathan Ezarik · 08-05-2006, 08:04 PM

GRRM has already said that there's no way there will ever be a movie made of the books. If there is going to be a series, it has to be on HBO. They are the only ones who can even come close to capturing the books on screen.

Edward64 · 08-05-2006, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

If it's a regular series, I'll give it a chance on sci-fi.
But movie and\or mini-series, and it's TNT all the way.

Another couple reasons for HBO

(1) I want to see all the gore and bloodshed in bright red
(2) I want the adult situations in the book to be portrayed (ex. incest)

DaddyTorgo · 08-05-2006, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64

Another couple reasons for HBO

(2) I want the adult situations in the book to be portrayed (ex. incest)

ummm yeah. not that i don't want to see the books portrayed accurately, but i might not have picked this as my example of the adult situations!

Edward64 · 08-06-2006, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

ummm yeah. not that i don't want to see the books portrayed accurately, but i might not have picked this as my example of the adult situations!

Yeah, you're probably right ... but the sibling incest is a central theme in the books and is an example of what TNT, Sci-Fi channels would not be able to portray properly (ex. without alot of backlash).

DaddyTorgo · 08-06-2006, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64

Yeah, you're probably right ... but the sibling incest is a central theme in the books and is an example of what TNT, Sci-Fi channels would not be able to portray properly (ex. without alot of backlash).

true true

GrantDawg · 08-21-2006, 07:26 PM

BTW, I was in a bookstore yesterday and saw there is a d20 roleplaying game source book written for this series, with GRRM blessings and help.

Honolulu_Blue · 08-21-2006, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

BTW, I was in a bookstore yesterday and saw there is a d20 roleplaying game source book written for this series, with GRRM blessings and help.

It won some RPG award at GenCon a few weeks ago. I think, perhaps, best new RPG or some such. I bought it a while back. It's cool to have, but the only drawback is that it doesn't really give you too much more information than the books. I was really hoping for a much more detailed sourcebook with more maps and the like, but the book didn't deliver.

Oh yes, and the company the published the book went out of business a couple of months ago.

It could be a really fun setting for a RPG.

GrantDawg · 08-22-2006, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

It won some RPG award at GenCon a few weeks ago. I think, perhaps, best new RPG or some such. I bought it a while back. It's cool to have, but the only drawback is that it doesn't really give you too much more information than the books. I was really hoping for a much more detailed sourcebook with more maps and the like, but the book didn't deliver.

Oh yes, and the company the published the book went out of business a couple of months ago.

It could be a really fun setting for a RPG.

I read the intro and you could tell the company was about to go under. I would love to game in that setting.

Honolulu_Blue · 09-03-2006, 05:07 PM

This is very cool. I've been waiting for something along these lines for a long, long time. . . (and by the sound if it, I will continue to wait for some time).

BANTAM TO PUBLISH THE WORLD OF ICE AND FIRE
September 2, 2006
I've had readers writing and emailing me for years asking for some sort of "encyclopedia" or concordance for Westeros and the world of A Song of Ice and Fire, so it thrills me no end to announce that a few hours ago I signed a contract with Bantam Books for just such a companion book. We're calling it The World of Ice and Fire. . . mainly because The World of George R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire is too long and cumbersome to put on a cover, and way clunky besides.
The "world book" will be a big undertaking, and much too complicated for me to tackle alone, especially since I have this novel still to finish (you know the one), but I've been lucky enough to find some splendid help in persons of Elio M. Garcia, Jr. and Linda Antonsson., who will be my co-authors on the project. Elio (sometimes known as "Ran") and Linda are the hosts and webmasters at Westeros.org, with its terrific concordance and colorful rolls of arms, and I have long had the feeling that both of them know a lot more about the Seven Kingdoms than I do.
With the ink not quite dry on the contracts yet, I can't tell you much about the contents of The World of Ice and Fire, but we do know that it will include a lengthy section on the history of the Seven Kingdoms, and a "who's who" of characters past and present, living, dead, and legendary. Heraldry and genealogy will also be included. Oh, and maps. Lots of maps. You asked for them, and we're going to give to them to you.
This will be a large and splendid coffee-table sized book, with full color throughout and artwork on every page. Some of the illustrations will, of necessity, be reprinted from among the best of the work seen in the art book, the card game, the board game, the RPG, and various books and comics, but a lot of it will be original, commissioned especially for the world book. More details when we have them.
As for the rest of the contents... we want to know what you would like to see in an encyclopedia/ concordance/ companion book. However, PLEASE DO NOT EMAIL ME your suggestions. What you should do instead is go to the bulletin board that Elio and Linda maintain at Westeros.org and post your ideas there. This book is for the fans, so tell us what should be in it.
There's no way to project a firm publication date at this time, but my best guess is that The World of Ice and Fire will be released in late 2007 or early 2008, after A Dance With Dragons but before The Winds of Winter.

(And yes, this was one of the "secret projects" that I referred to in some earlier news stories and on my live journal. It has been in the works for some time, but I don't like to announce projects until contracts are signed. Watch this page for news about the other "secret projects," when the time is ripe to announce them).

aran · 09-03-2006, 06:22 PM

That is goddamn incredible. I can't wait!

GrantDawg · 09-04-2006, 07:29 PM

BTW, guys. I found out at Dragoncon this weekend that Robert Jordan is dieing. He has some rare form of lukemia, and it is just a matter of time.

Jonathan Ezarik · 09-04-2006, 07:42 PM

I read this about Jordan a couple of months ago. That's really sad news. I'm not a fan of his work, but I hate to see anyone go out like that.

As for GRRM, I'm a bit surprised by this announcement. Not that I'm not happy, mind you, it's just that a couple of years ago he said that he didn't have detailed notes about the back-story of Westeros and kind of made it up as he went. He said that was one of the reasons it was taking so long to write the books because he had to keep going back and checking over what he had already written to make sure he didn't mess stuff up. Maybe he changed that since then. Either way, I'm glad it's coming out.

Honolulu_Blue · 09-04-2006, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I read this about Jordan a couple of months ago. That's really sad news. I'm not a fan of his work, but I hate to see anyone go out like that.

As for GRRM, I'm a bit surprised by this announcement. Not that I'm not happy, mind you, it's just that a couple of years ago he said that he didn't have detailed notes about the back-story of Westeros and kind of made it up as he went. He said that was one of the reasons it was taking so long to write the books because he had to keep going back and checking over what he had already written to make sure he didn't mess stuff up. Maybe he changed that since then. Either way, I'm glad it's coming out.

It is sad about Jordan. Really a shame.

As for this book, GRRM has said he hasn't kept detailed notes, not because such things didn't exist, but that he kept it all in his head (scary thought). I don't think he's changed at all.

If you've checked out the website he refers to -- westeros.org -- you'll see he doesn't have to keep detailed notes. His fans are keeping them for him. The resources on the web for these books are immense and well detailed. No stone goes unturned. These folks, and thousands of other fans, have done a lot of work compiling all this information from all the books in the series, the Dunk & Egg books, and interviews with GRRM.

It really sounds like (based on his comment about not emailing him) this book is not something he'll be putting together. He'll obviously have the final "say" in everything that goes into the book, but I imagine a lot of work will be done by the publishers and the uber-fans and those who run the website(s).

Honolulu_Blue · 12-08-2006, 10:17 AM

The latest update from Martin (from his "Not a Blog"). It comes as no surprise really:

Bad news. Work. None of the projects I wrapped up was A DANCE WITH DRAGONS. Work has been going well, yes, but not especially on DANCE. I am not going to be able to finish it by the end of the year as I had hoped.

I know this will disappoint all of you. Many of you will write me sympathetic and supportive emails (and I do appreciate those, even if I don't have the time to reply). A few of you will write me nasty, intemperate emails about how I'm doing this all just to screw my readers. Sigh. My editors, agents, and publishers will be even more disappointed than my readers, but no one will be as disappointed as me. Believe that or not. All I can say is that I HAVE gotten several other obligations off my plate, that my contractor swears in blood that the home renovations will be finished soon so I can have my office back again, that I'm working on DANCE and I will continue to work on it. What I will no longer due, however, is announce any more dates by which I hope to finish and deliver the book. All that those estimates ever seem to do is ratchet up my stress levels and get me more grief. I hope it won't be taking much longer... I have almost two months at home before my next scheduled trip, to Boston and NYC in February, and one thing that has become very clear to me is that the more I travel, the less I get written. (And speaking of Boston and NYC, do I perchance have any fans out there in New Haven, Connecticut?) I have even thought about cancelling my annual trip to Boston and New York, though I am reluctant to take that step, since that is usually the only time of the year that I get to see my family in New Jersey.

ISiddiqui · 12-08-2006, 10:19 AM

Damn... but I thought this was going to happen. Martin seems to have too much other stuff on his plate! Clear it off, George and work on ADWD!

cschex · 12-08-2006, 10:28 AM

GRRM has always gone to a tone of cons and signings and readily admitted that he doesn't write well on teh road. I personally think he might just be a bit burnt out on ASOIAF, but I hope that isn't the case. If he's considering cancelling trips in Feb, it seems to me he's fairly close, just not enough that he will be done by the New Year. I do agree that he should stop saying when something will be done; that just leads to more anticipation and let-down.

wade moore · 12-08-2006, 10:34 AM

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I do agree that he should stop saying when something will be done; that just leads to more anticipation and let-down.

Don't let H.A. hear you say that!

JAG · 12-08-2006, 02:00 PM

Considering he hasn't been able to make previous promises regarding AFFC, this does not come as a surprise to me, though I hoped he would be able to make it regardless. It sounds like he'll be able to wrap it up in the next 4 or so months though which is good. I think he's also wise to make a more Jim-like policy on release dates of his future books.

So all in all, a little disappointing, but I'm glad he's near the finish line. The wait for book #6 is bound to be a rather long one so it's nice to have a shorter wait for this one.

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06-30-2006, 10:32 PM	#206
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Screw Sci-Fi, but it on TNT, so it'll be on High-Def . __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

06-30-2006, 11:44 PM	#208
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	I was thinking along similar lines, a TV series/mini-series or something like that. I don't know. It would be hard to imagine something like that, especially since the series isn't over yet and wont likely be for quite... some... time. Maybe it's a computer game. He's hinted at that a few times before during interviews. __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

06-30-2006, 11:58 PM	#209
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	RPG! Though hopefully not a MMORPG! __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

07-01-2006, 12:00 AM	#211
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	Dola. I would love to see some sort of RPG/Tactical warfare type game. Oh baby! __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

07-01-2006, 12:01 AM	#212
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	It'd be great if it was an RPG of something like a Dunk & Egg story... something completely out of the current timeline of the books (I guess kind of KOTOR was to the Star Wars movies). __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

07-01-2006, 09:17 AM	#214
cschex High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Austin, TX	That's an awesome idea. A tactical wargame based on the Blackfyre Rebellion would be incredible, imo. Or maybe a campaign game with Aegon the Conqueror.

07-01-2006, 09:56 AM	#215
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	Interesting speculation. There is already a board game based on the series, which is a very good one, and they have a lot of background to draw on for any kind of game.

07-30-2006, 10:49 PM	#216
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	A fascinating interview with George. http://a1018.g.akamai.net/f/1018/190...nInterview.mp3 Last edited by Galaril : 07-30-2006 at 10:53 PM.

07-30-2006, 10:59 PM	#217
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Thanks, Galaril... I'm listening to it now . __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

07-30-2006, 11:04 PM	#218
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Good to hear, Martin won't sell out for a FPS video game and would rather prefer a strategic one and wants the right partner. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

08-04-2006, 07:37 PM	#219
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	Yeah I was glad to here him mention a possible strategy game as well as some info on the future books in the series. Last edited by Galaril : 08-04-2006 at 07:38 PM.

08-05-2006, 01:33 AM	#222
Grammaticus Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tennessee	I believe there is a card game as well.

08-05-2006, 11:11 AM	#228
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	Here is a great site with a ton of art work which I belive some is from the card game and also from other artists including the site owner. http://amoka.net/eng/gal/

08-05-2006, 11:30 AM	#229
Edward64 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2005	I would love to see this series picked up by HBO (10-12 episodes for 1-2 seasons). There's probably not enough mass market appeal for the regular tv stations, but HBO might be able to do it justice.

08-05-2006, 08:04 PM	#233
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	GRRM has already said that there's no way there will ever be a movie made of the books. If there is going to be a series, it has to be on HBO. They are the only ones who can even come close to capturing the books on screen.

08-21-2006, 07:26 PM	#238
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	BTW, I was in a bookstore yesterday and saw there is a d20 roleplaying game source book written for this series, with GRRM blessings and help.

09-03-2006, 05:07 PM	#241
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	This is very cool. I've been waiting for something along these lines for a long, long time. . . (and by the sound if it, I will continue to wait for some time). BANTAM TO PUBLISH THE WORLD OF ICE AND FIRE September 2, 2006 I've had readers writing and emailing me for years asking for some sort of "encyclopedia" or concordance for Westeros and the world of A Song of Ice and Fire, so it thrills me no end to announce that a few hours ago I signed a contract with Bantam Books for just such a companion book. We're calling it The World of Ice and Fire. . . mainly because The World of George R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire is too long and cumbersome to put on a cover, and way clunky besides. The "world book" will be a big undertaking, and much too complicated for me to tackle alone, especially since I have this novel still to finish (you know the one), but I've been lucky enough to find some splendid help in persons of Elio M. Garcia, Jr. and Linda Antonsson., who will be my co-authors on the project. Elio (sometimes known as "Ran") and Linda are the hosts and webmasters at Westeros.org, with its terrific concordance and colorful rolls of arms, and I have long had the feeling that both of them know a lot more about the Seven Kingdoms than I do. With the ink not quite dry on the contracts yet, I can't tell you much about the contents of The World of Ice and Fire, but we do know that it will include a lengthy section on the history of the Seven Kingdoms, and a "who's who" of characters past and present, living, dead, and legendary. Heraldry and genealogy will also be included. Oh, and maps. Lots of maps. You asked for them, and we're going to give to them to you. This will be a large and splendid coffee-table sized book, with full color throughout and artwork on every page. Some of the illustrations will, of necessity, be reprinted from among the best of the work seen in the art book, the card game, the board game, the RPG, and various books and comics, but a lot of it will be original, commissioned especially for the world book. More details when we have them. As for the rest of the contents... we want to know what you would like to see in an encyclopedia/ concordance/ companion book. However, PLEASE DO NOT EMAIL ME your suggestions. What you should do instead is go to the bulletin board that Elio and Linda maintain at Westeros.org and post your ideas there. This book is for the fans, so tell us what should be in it. There's no way to project a firm publication date at this time, but my best guess is that The World of Ice and Fire will be released in late 2007 or early 2008, after A Dance With Dragons but before The Winds of Winter. (And yes, this was one of the "secret projects" that I referred to in some earlier news stories and on my live journal. It has been in the works for some time, but I don't like to announce projects until contracts are signed. Watch this page for news about the other "secret projects," when the time is ripe to announce them). __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

09-03-2006, 06:22 PM	#242
aran High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA	That is goddamn incredible. I can't wait!

09-04-2006, 07:29 PM	#243
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	BTW, guys. I found out at Dragoncon this weekend that Robert Jordan is dieing. He has some rare form of lukemia, and it is just a matter of time.

09-04-2006, 07:42 PM	#244
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	I read this about Jordan a couple of months ago. That's really sad news. I'm not a fan of his work, but I hate to see anyone go out like that. As for GRRM, I'm a bit surprised by this announcement. Not that I'm not happy, mind you, it's just that a couple of years ago he said that he didn't have detailed notes about the back-story of Westeros and kind of made it up as he went. He said that was one of the reasons it was taking so long to write the books because he had to keep going back and checking over what he had already written to make sure he didn't mess stuff up. Maybe he changed that since then. Either way, I'm glad it's coming out.

12-08-2006, 10:17 AM	#246
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	The latest update from Martin (from his "Not a Blog"). It comes as no surprise really: Bad news. Work. None of the projects I wrapped up was A DANCE WITH DRAGONS. Work has been going well, yes, but not especially on DANCE. I am not going to be able to finish it by the end of the year as I had hoped. I know this will disappoint all of you. Many of you will write me sympathetic and supportive emails (and I do appreciate those, even if I don't have the time to reply). A few of you will write me nasty, intemperate emails about how I'm doing this all just to screw my readers. Sigh. My editors, agents, and publishers will be even more disappointed than my readers, but no one will be as disappointed as me. Believe that or not. All I can say is that I HAVE gotten several other obligations off my plate, that my contractor swears in blood that the home renovations will be finished soon so I can have my office back again, that I'm working on DANCE and I will continue to work on it. What I will no longer due, however, is announce any more dates by which I hope to finish and deliver the book. All that those estimates ever seem to do is ratchet up my stress levels and get me more grief. I hope it won't be taking much longer... I have almost two months at home before my next scheduled trip, to Boston and NYC in February, and one thing that has become very clear to me is that the more I travel, the less I get written. (And speaking of Boston and NYC, do I perchance have any fans out there in New Haven, Connecticut?) I have even thought about cancelling my annual trip to Boston and New York, though I am reluctant to take that step, since that is usually the only time of the year that I get to see my family in New Jersey. __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

12-08-2006, 10:19 AM	#247
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Damn... but I thought this was going to happen. Martin seems to have too much other stuff on his plate! Clear it off, George and work on ADWD! __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

12-08-2006, 10:28 AM	#248
cschex High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Austin, TX	GRRM has always gone to a tone of cons and signings and readily admitted that he doesn't write well on teh road. I personally think he might just be a bit burnt out on ASOIAF, but I hope that isn't the case. If he's considering cancelling trips in Feb, it seems to me he's fairly close, just not enough that he will be done by the New Year. I do agree that he should stop saying when something will be done; that just leads to more anticipation and let-down.

12-08-2006, 02:00 PM	#250
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Considering he hasn't been able to make previous promises regarding AFFC, this does not come as a surprise to me, though I hoped he would be able to make it regardless. It sounds like he'll be able to wrap it up in the next 4 or so months though which is good. I think he's also wise to make a more Jim-like policy on release dates of his future books. So all in all, a little disappointing, but I'm glad he's near the finish line. The wait for book #6 is bound to be a rather long one so it's nice to have a shorter wait for this one.

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