Werewolf XLIII - The Big City (Game over)

[LoneStarGirl]

Blade, anxiety, path, jonathan... who do you think is more likely to be bad? Chief or Sndvls?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

is that all we are getting? Not a full newspaper report like usual?

And I think we should let king go....I honestly feel he is telling the truth.

So impatient, so impatient

ps. I edited one thing in the newspaper since I posted it. Make sure you saw the final version if you already read it.

[Blade6119]

I sent a PM before that announcement asking how to transfer to pawn shop owner

[Abe Sargent]

BOom! Abnother mafia down

[Blade6119]

Nice...so the mafia tried hard on day 2 to save cronin(3 of the 4 we have killed were in that late swap).

[Abe Sargent]

Do you think that both the gamblers would be neutral or do you think at least one would be mafia-ized?

[SnDvls]

okay I feel safe to come out now althought I do know there is at least one more mafia member out there.
I'm the investigative reporter...I was able to find out that bsak had sold a gun to DaddyTorgo a few nights ago, but I thought it was lost when he was lynched. Either it didn't happen or bsak got another one. I do know he was good to start with and was converted.
I want to see if the other mafia member slips up before I let anymore info out today.

[Blade6119]

i told you all today i think chief is evil...so you know my answer there

[path12]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Blade, anxiety, path, jonathan... who do you think is more likely to be bad? Chief or Sndvls?

Bsak coming out hard at SnDvls at the end makes me feel better about him some. But he needs to be checked out nonetheless.

I wish we had a roster of who didn't vote LSG for judge. That would give us a short list to work with.

[LoneStarGirl]

nice sndvls

[LoneStarGirl]

one more bad guy, i still tend to think the bad guy is the muscle.... a gambler could be the muscle eh?

[Abe Sargent]

I'm ready o issue more warrants if anybody has any idea of where to go.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

nice sndvls

thanks...that's why I wanted swaggs to keep my info safe, he knew who I was and what I did so we all really owe him for that.

[Blade6119]

How do gamblers collect debts?

[Blade6119]

Anxiety, id say re search warrant chief...thats my opinion...for arrest, whoever

[LoneStarGirl]

1. Sndvls - reporter
2. Jonathan Ezarik - doctor
5. Path12 - trusted - voted LSG for judge
6. Kingfc22 - mostly trusted
7. Tyrith - (he is still in the game?)
11. Anxiety - hacker; good
12. Blade6119 - jeweler (pawn shop owner?) - voted lsg judge
17. Narcizo -banker
18. Chief Rum - gambler
20. Lonestargirl - good

[LoneStarGirl]

you have to give him the money first and trust him to pay you back.

This is my first time to gamble because I have money and nothing to spend it on

[LoneStarGirl]

sorry about my last post.... Tyrinth is dead...

only 9 people left

[SnDvls]

LSG - Tyrith was killed per page 1

[Blade6119]

I applied for pawn shop owner, and they told me they would be in contact....seems i might have some competition

[LoneStarGirl]

if cheif turns up good then I think we should look at Blade again. Whoever the detective is REALLY needs to think about looking into blade

[Blade6119]

search warrant me then, and arrest chief...i dont care

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Anxiety, id say re search warrant chief...thats my opinion...for arrest, whoever

I'm thinking that the detective didn;t go after Chief Rum because they know wsomething about CR that we don't. Maybe from a prior investigation.

Also, we have ot face the possibility that the remaing detective is controlled by teh mafia, and maybe CR is the mafia, so teh remaining detective is avoiding CR.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

1. Sndvls - reporter
2. Jonathan Ezarik - doctor
5. Path12 - trusted - voted LSG for judge
6. Kingfc22 - mostly trusted
7. Tyrith - (he is still in the game?)
11. Anxiety - hacker; good
12. Blade6119 - jeweler (pawn shop owner?) - voted lsg judge
17. Narcizo -banker
18. Chief Rum - gambler
20. Lonestargirl - good

I'm not a hacker, I'm a firewall specialist - a cyber bodyguard and seer rolled into one.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Anxiety, id say re search warrant chief...thats my opinion...for arrest, whoever

Just a reminder, the search warrant for Chief already exists. No need for a second one.

[LoneStarGirl]

well anxiety, seer your ass to blade or chief

[Abe Sargent]

Its a cyber seer to track down cyber crime. Point me twoards cyber crime, and I will.

[Blade6119]

Someone hack me so anxiety can check me out

[Abe Sargent]

Dont show me a pic of your ass Blade, that doesnt count

[Abe Sargent]

I subm,itted warrants.

[LoneStarGirl]

what warrants?

and i am out for the night....

[Blade6119]

VOTE CHIEF RUM

Not much has changed since yesterday, other then seeing the person i commented publicly was aligning heavily with chief turned up evil...

[Poli]

3rd post.

[Blade6119]

We going for a target # of posts there buddy?

[Abe Sargent]

War Against Everybody


I jacked up my troop maintenance and move 3000 of my troops to Ragusa. Two thousand more are sent to Tripolitania, including my leader. I order another 1000 in Ferrara.

No, nevermind. I intend to win this war one front at a time. I send all 5000 troops to Ragusa. Let’s win this against Bosnia, and then win it against North Africa. I will leave Tripolitania defenseless for the moment.

18 April, 1511 – Hungary declares war against Croatia. I’m at war with everyone else, might as well support Croatia as well, plus my army in Ragusa can do double duty. Hungary’s two allies, Bohemai anad Denmark join.

22 June, 1511 – My troops are all in Ragusa.

25 June, 1511 – 1000 calvary from Tunis arrive in Tripolitania to besiege the city.

5 July, 1511 – We won the Battle of Hum and begun besieging the city.

8 September, 1511 – 2000 Bohemiam troops arrive in Ferrara to being a siege.

30 September, 1511 – My fresh 1000 troops from Ferrara arrive in Croatia to aid in their defense.

15 December, 1511 – I offer Bosnia a white peace and they decline.

23 December, 1511 – Hungary wins a battle in Dalmatia against Croatia.

1 January, 1512 – We have captured Hum. I order my troops into Dalmatia. I order 1000 more troops built in Modena.

3 January, 1512 – Tunisia captured Tripolitania.

13 January, 1512 – Bosnia offers us peace for the entire alliance and they pay us six ducats. I accept. I order more troops built in Parma. One war down.

27 January, 1512 - Our army arrives in Dalmatia and begins to fight Hungary for the province.

31 January, 1512 – We force the Hungarians out of Dalmatia and have broken their siege!

1 February, 1512 – I order my leader at the head of my 3000 best infantry to head over to Ferrara and break the siege.

5 February, 1512 – More Hungarians arrive in Dalmatia to fight my remaining troops here.

10 February, 1512 – My troops arrive in Ferrara to fight the Bohemians.

22 February, 1512 – Algiers sends us a peace offer and we pay them 4 ducats to be at peace with their entire alliance including Tunis. I agree. Two wars down.

23 February, 1512 – My troops have lost the Battle of Dalmatia and are retreating to Ragusa to regroup.

6 March, 1512 – We drive the Bohemians out of Ferrara.

16 March, 1512 – Some Hungarian troops arrived in Ferrara only be to savaged and sent back in three days.

31 March, 1512 – Our 1000 new troops building in Modena have joined our army.

10 June, 1512 – Ragusa declared war against the Ottomans. They have asked me to join them. Nope, if they have gotten delusions of grandeur, I’ll not support that.

11 July, 1512 – I have an almost 3k army arrive from Ferrar at Ragusa, join them up with the remnants left over from the previous battle, and order them into Dalmatia.

26 July, 1512 – We defeated Hungary in the Adriatic Sea.

3 September, 1512 – We force the Hungarians out of Dalmatia again

There have been a large number of skirmishes in Northern Italy with my troops and opposing forces.

It’s becoming obvious that I am going to lose this war with Hungary. I cannot stab them in the back because they are landlocked. They keep my main force pinned down and are harassing my Northern Italian provinces and forces at will. I need to find an exit strategy.

4 October, 1512 – I lost a ship running the Hungarian boat gauntlet in the Adriatic but brought my beleaguered Italian forces to Dalmatia. All of my forces are here.

4000 opposing troops are besieging Parma. I need to similarly hit my opponent in the mouth in order to get neutral in this war.

5 January, 1513 – We lost 1200 troops but defeated Hungary at the province of Croatia. We begin a siege.

1 March, 1513 – Athens is now part of our Patrimony and is a core province.

21 March, 1513 – Parma falls.

9 May, 1513 – We breach the walls of Croatia province and I order a full scale assault.

11 May, 1513 – As we assault the walls of Croatia, Hungary offers us a white peace on behalf of their entire alliance for our entire alliance. I accept. The third war ends.

[Abe Sargent]

Umm.. whoops. Acidentally posted my dynasty post here

[Blade6119]

lol, naxos wanted to take the big city were in to help in supplying its war effort anxiety?

[st.cronin]

I need a new map.

[Narcizo]

Vote Chief Rum

There's really no need for anything else, surely? I think the CR-Bsak attempted double-team yesterday speaks for itself. I think the detective did the right thing as CR basically incriminated himself thinking that he was going to be searched. He hasn't actually provided much in a way of explanation as to what, exactly, the search was going to turn up.

Good work on getting bsak chap and chappettes.

[Narcizo]

Ah-ha! I noticed the news item about a new drugs cartel moving into the city but didn't mention it because, well, I don't know really. You'll all just have to believe me.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

BTW, I still have extreme misgivings about you, Blade. I have not dismissed DT's statement as others have. I think it is quite likely that what he said was true, and we need to be careful about trusting you. I don't necessarily buy the money with BK angle because I think he could have gotten that in another way in a game like this. It was BK himself who brought up the money, not Narcizo or even Lathum (the person hacked who was originally thought to be the source). I think cronin passed the ring on to DT, and DT might have done the same to you, like an ongoing conversion.

Um... no, no it wasn't. I brought it up first on the UMB. BK was reacting to that. I'll grant you that BK was trying to cover his tracks earlier by asking Lathum where he got "all that money from" but I'd be very interested in hearing a creative explanation as to where else BK got $5,000 from if it wasn't mob money. I know he didn't get it from the bank.

Lets just vote Chief and then if he comes up neutral we can worry about this nominated heir nonsense. I think we all pretty much know what everyone's roles are now that SnDvls has come out.

I'm pretty sure king is alright incidentally, I don't think he's going to make his objective so sentencing him or freeing isn't really going to make a difference to his objectives but I'd hate to see an innocent man be sent down.

[Blade6119]

Well didnt bsak try to kill king in this lyng? Doesnt that speak well of king?
Chief already had 2 votes and would have been a much easier vote, but he went out of his way to target king

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Umm.. whoops. Acidentally posted my dynasty post here

Boo! I was hoping it was a trailer for a new WW game based in your EUIII game.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I think the decision to arrest him over searching chief was a poor idea by our detective, especially after chief self admitted to having incriminating evidence in his house and being caught in a lie(in my opinion) about his "report"

I swear to God, I have not lied once in this game.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I sent a PM before that announcement asking how to transfer to pawn shop owner

Blade is more interested in his victory condition than in helping good. As the jeweler, he can still provide important information for the good remaining in Big City. As the pawn shop owner, he gets his hands on one of his precious "rare gems".

Yet another sign of his allegiance, but, clearly, no one cares what I say anymore.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Blade is more interested in his victory condition than in helping good. As the jeweler, he can still provide important information for the good remaining in Big City. As the pawn shop owner, he gets his hands on one of his precious "rare gems".

Yet another sign of his allegiance, but, clearly, no one cares what I say anymore.

P.S. What's really funny is that I hold the key to his entire stated victory condition--and I'm the guy he's trying to kill.

[kingfc22]

Blah! Thanks for throwing me in jail and making me miss my poker game.

Now I have no chance in hell, unless I get seriously lucky to reach my winning condition.

Glad we got another bad guy, who I might add I VOTED for.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Blade is more interested in his victory condition than in helping good. As the jeweler, he can still provide important information for the good remaining in Big City. As the pawn shop owner, he gets his hands on one of his precious "rare gems".

Yet another sign of his allegiance, but, clearly, no one cares what I say anymore.

I care what you say.

I say fair plays to Blade for trying to get his major victory, the way he rounded up St Cronin and DT he deserves it. And I don't really see what his current ability will tell us now. Everyone's role is pretty evident and knowing how much money people started with isn't going to be a fantastic help. Granted, becoming shop owner probably won't help either but it's not really going to make a difference.

I wonder if your major victory condition changes when you change roles though.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

VOTE CHIEF RUM

Not much has changed since yesterday, other then seeing the person i commented publicly was aligning heavily with chief turned up evil...

So why jump on me and not JE? For the record, I think JE is who he says he is, but he was the first to vote for kingfc. I voted for kingfc, because I felt he was being way too under the radar, I knew a vote on you would be a watse, and I had no read on bsak. Mind you, I had to vote well before bsak's mistake with sndvls, so I never saw that. I couldn't tell you why bsak voted as he did, right after me. There was more than a half hour passing before he voted following my post, but for whatever reason, no one posted during that time.

If bsak "aligned heavily" with me, it was through no effort of mine. I had no choice in the decisions he made.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

I care what you say.

I say fair plays to Blade for trying to get his major victory, the way he rounded up St Cronin and DT he deserves it. And I don't really see what his current ability will tell us now. Everyone's role is pretty evident and knowing how much money people started with isn't going to be a fantastic help. Granted, becoming shop owner probably won't help either but it's not really going to make a difference.

I wonder if your major victory condition changes when you change roles though.

I have reason to believe actually that the conditions do change. But that might not be with every job, just the ones I have happened to come across.

You may be right that he can do no more good as the jeweler, but wouldn't it have been better for him to come out and say why he wanted to do what he was doing, and let the other good people have a say in whether they felt he would be more valuable as a jeweler or as a pawn shop owner? Someone only thinking of good would have done that.