Week 12 NFL Thread - Thanks for Giving us three games on Thursday.. - Page 6

SirFozzie · 11-23-2012, 06:03 PM

Looks like the NFL is pushing for a complete ban on blocks below the waist for next year, according to Peter King.

Logan · 11-23-2012, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Looks like the NFL is pushing for a complete ban on blocks below the waist for next year, according to Peter King.

Should serve as a heads up for anyone who owns Arian Foster in a dynasty fantasy football league.

BillJasper · 11-23-2012, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Looks like the NFL is pushing for a complete ban on blocks below the waist for next year, according to Peter King.

Just going to create more QB injuries, as most RB's are incapable of blocking a pass rusher and can only slow them down by going low.

mauchow · 11-23-2012, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

Just going to create more QB injuries, as most RB's are incapable of blocking a pass rusher and can only slow them down by going low.

Going to need to go back to the old ways and actually have blocking full backs again..

BillJasper · 11-23-2012, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mauboy1

Going to need to go back to the old ways and actually have blocking full backs again..

That and having TE's who can actually block. I don't see the change happening because it would slow offenses down, unless they outlaw blitzing.

Julio Riddols · 11-23-2012, 08:34 PM

Maybe the idea is to slow offenses down a little. They have a lot of advantages over the defense these days, so throwing the D a bone doesn't seem like too bad of an idea to me.

BillJasper · 11-23-2012, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

Maybe the idea is to slow offenses down a little. They have a lot of advantages over the defense these days, so throwing the D a bone doesn't seem like too bad of an idea to me.

Less scoring means less time on SportsCenter. So I doubt the NFL is looking to slow down offenses.

miami_fan · 11-24-2012, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Looks like the NFL is pushing for a complete ban on blocks below the waist for next year, according to Peter King.

Outstanding news!

miami_fan · 11-24-2012, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

Just going to create more QB injuries, as most RB's are incapable of blocking a pass rusher and can only slow them down by going low.

Just like the defenders, the RBs would have to adjust, no?

mckerney · 11-24-2012, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobble

This was I was getting at a page or so ago. How is this not just a simple delay of game? 5 yards, 10 second run-off if late in the game. How is this such a terrible foul that we don't want to get the play right? Sure, penalize Schwartz for the foul but get the play right and THEN penalize him.

It was put in place so a team can't delay the next snap with a penalty in hopes that the replay booth will have enough time to look at the play and call down for a replay (ex. jumping offsides when the offense is rushing up to the line after a questionable catch in the 2 minute drill). It makes no sense for the rule to come into play after a score where the replay officials can have as long as they want to look at a play before deciding whether or not to review it (and as the rule is written I'd say it should not).

DaddyTorgo · 11-24-2012, 09:09 AM

Do the refs bear any of the responsibility for the fucked-up way that this played out? In terms of not doing the common-sense thing?

I'd say so.

BillJasper · 11-24-2012, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Do the refs bear any of the responsibility for the fucked-up way that this played out? In terms of not doing the common-sense thing?

I'd say so.

They aren't paid to do the common-sense thing, they're paid to follow the rule book.

Bobble · 11-24-2012, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by mckerney

It was put in place so a team can't delay the next snap with a penalty in hopes that the replay booth will have enough time to look at the play and call down for a replay (ex. jumping offsides when the offense is rushing up to the line after a questionable catch in the 2 minute drill). It makes no sense for the rule to come into play after a score where the replay officials can have as long as they want to look at a play before deciding whether or not to review it (and as the rule is written I'd say it should not).

Yeah, but why have that? Why do we WANT teams to be able to rush up and run the next play so we DON'T have time to get the play call right? If I'm willing to get a delay of game and give up the 5 yards, why not let me? I mean, I'm delaying the game ... literally ... so why not call it that? Is this too many question marks? Is it?

Masked · 11-24-2012, 11:19 AM

It's basically a don't be an ass rule for the coaches. The play is guaranteed to be review, so the only reason for the coach to throw the flag is to argure or campaign with the ref. I don't mind harsh penalties for a violation of a don't be an ass rule.

Bobble · 11-24-2012, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Masked

It's basically a don't be an ass rule for the coaches. The play is guaranteed to be review, so the only reason for the coach to throw the flag is to argure or campaign with the ref. I don't mind harsh penalties for a violation of a don't be an ass rule.

I'm not sure I'm getting you. Are you saying the punishment fit the crime here?

Danny · 11-24-2012, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Do the refs bear any of the responsibility for the fucked-up way that this played out? In terms of not doing the common-sense thing?

I'd say so.

No, refs did the right thing. Rule needs to be changed

molson · 11-24-2012, 03:49 PM

For the entertainment aspect, I kind of like the idea of a rule that's only purpose is to make dumb coaches occasionally blow games for their team. I mean, we could all bet on who's going to do this next (if they don't change the rule).

stevew · 11-24-2012, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Do the refs bear any of the responsibility for the fucked-up way that this played out? In terms of not doing the common-sense thing?

I'd say so.

The failure to make an obvious call is pretty laughable.

Dutch · 11-24-2012, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

The failure to make an obvious call is pretty laughable.

If those were replacement ref's, ESPN would've given them the business.

Lathum · 11-25-2012, 09:19 AM

Still trying to figure out how the Giants are 3 point favorites against the PAckers tonight

kingfc22 · 11-25-2012, 11:31 AM

I have no clue what to expect from the Niners today.

They've been remarkably inconsistent and now are likely turning to Kaepernick which is a move I don't 100% back just yet. It's not like Smith was leading a .500 team the past two seasons.

The Saints are incredibly hot right now and hopefully they are looking ahead to ATL on Thursday. One can hope...

Vince, Pt. II · 11-25-2012, 11:38 AM

I'm with you. And I have the unenviable decision of starting Dalton or Kaepernick on my fantasy team today. Hard to think he'd do any worse against the NFL's worst defense than he did against the Bears, but he's young, and the Saints have had some tape to work with.

I think if he's cleared, the 49ers should start Alex.

frnk55 · 11-25-2012, 11:39 AM

Can the Browns get it done today against Charlie Batch?? He reminds me of Jessie Orosco. Been around forever it seems.

korme · 11-25-2012, 11:44 AM

Anybody got a good Bengals feed

jbergey22 · 11-25-2012, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

I have no clue what to expect from the Niners today.

They've been remarkably inconsistent and now are likely turning to Kaepernick which is a move I don't 100% back just yet. It's not like Smith was leading a .500 team the past two seasons.

The Saints are incredibly hot right now and hopefully they are looking ahead to ATL on Thursday. One can hope...

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Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

I'm with you. And I have the unenviable decision of starting Dalton or Kaepernick on my fantasy team today. Hard to think he'd do any worse against the NFL's worst defense than he did against the Bears, but he's young, and the Saints have had some tape to work with.

I think if he's cleared, the 49ers should start Alex.

Very ususual situation. Some would argue that he gotten too many chances in his career however now that he is a solid NFL quarterback and leading a very good NFL team he gets sent to the pine in kind of an odd situation. I think Kaepernick working as kind of a change of pace option worked great for them and Im not understanding why Harbaugh thought a change was needed at this time.

frnk55 · 11-25-2012, 11:53 AM

I get the Denver/Chefs game! Now to make it better Derdorf is doing the game. Double wammy!!

Scoobz0202 · 11-25-2012, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by korme

Anybody got a good Bengals feed

Check your PMs

BillJasper · 11-25-2012, 12:31 PM

You wonder how much better Jacksonville would be if they'd given Gabbert the hook earlier in the year?

sabotai · 11-25-2012, 12:37 PM

LOL @ Jay Cutler

(stiff armed a defender as he was going out of bounds, and then thought it was a good idea to toss the ball at him. 15 yard taunting flag on him.)

Coffee Warlord · 11-25-2012, 12:40 PM

Marshall going to the Hester School of Running, turning a 6 yard gain into a 7 yard loss as he runs backwards.

CU Tiger · 11-25-2012, 12:41 PM

I wonder how the Browns trained these pigeons to screw with the Steelers?

mauchow · 11-25-2012, 01:07 PM

Dumb pass interference calls continue by the refs I see. Marshall pushes his defender away and Winfield gets flagged and the ball goes on the 1 yard line..... Its getting so bad that we should just start letting all things go except for throwing someone down. And flopping gets flagged, too

hoopsguy · 11-25-2012, 01:13 PM

I'll say this for Ponder - he has that gutless "throw the ball away falling down to avoid the sack" move down.

jbergey22 · 11-25-2012, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mauboy1

Dumb pass interference calls continue by the refs I see. Marshall pushes his defender away and Winfield gets flagged and the ball goes on the 1 yard line..... Its getting so bad that we should just start letting all things go except for throwing someone down. And flopping gets flagged, too

Agree! So many yards exchange hands on such a ridiculous penalty that refs cant even call right. Completely unfair to the defense this call is.

mckerney · 11-25-2012, 01:15 PM

That was probably the nicest looking throw I've ever seen Ponder make. Didn't know he could put that kind of zip on it downfield. Maybe he'll throw manage to throw one of those to a teammate in the future.

Having a QB must be nice. Never thought I'd be this jealous of a team that had Jay Cutler at QB.

Coffee Warlord · 11-25-2012, 01:18 PM

What a freakin' catch by Spaeth.

kingfc22 · 11-25-2012, 01:22 PM

Dennis Allen has to get canned this week, right???

Scoobz0202 · 11-25-2012, 01:24 PM

That was one hell of a shank by Bryant for the Falcons

jbergey22 · 11-25-2012, 01:24 PM

Nice gameplan Vikings.

Run AP and the Bears will be running away from him by the end of the game instead lets air it out with Ponder.

mckerney · 11-25-2012, 01:26 PM

You'd think a QB would be able to complete a pass to someone downfield when he's constantly seeing 8 in the box.

Fuck Christian Ponder.

cougarfreak · 11-25-2012, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

Check your PMs

Hit me up if you get back.

Scoobz0202 · 11-25-2012, 01:43 PM

BillJasper · 11-25-2012, 02:01 PM

The sprinklers sum up the last decade-and-a-half in Miami pretty well.

mckerney · 11-25-2012, 02:06 PM

Was gonna say when they originally said the play was confirmed that it looked like the Bears got screwed, this should be overturned.

cougarfreak · 11-25-2012, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

The sprinklers sum up the last decade-and-a-half in Miami pretty well.

What, did sprinklers come on during the game? I saw that in a HS soccer game one time, and no one onsite had a key to turn them off, so they had to call of the game right then and there.

frnk55 · 11-25-2012, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mckerney

You'd think a QB would be able to complete a pass to someone downfield when he's constantly seeing 8 in the box.

Fuck Christian Ponder.

Yup, and just think he'll be the qb for a few more years yet.

stevew · 11-25-2012, 02:12 PM

I was having such a good time at BWW that I didn't want the game to end. Sorry.

mckerney · 11-25-2012, 02:12 PM

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Yup, and just think he'll be the qb for a few more years yet.

God I hope not. The Wilfs better clear out the front office and coaching staff after this season and bring in someone who's competent and not tied to Ponder. They've been fairly incompetent on the football side of things since they bought the team, hopefully they'll actually try now that they have a stadium deal.

BillJasper · 11-25-2012, 02:32 PM

Terrible defensive holding penalty in the Atlanta-Tampa Bay game to give the Falcons a 1st and Goal. Still not sold on Atlanta, seems they need the officials to hand them games.

stevew · 11-25-2012, 02:36 PM

Looks like a shameful performance by batch and the Steelers. I guess we couldn't be bothered to pay attention to the Bears last year.

11-23-2012, 06:03 PM	#251
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	Looks like the NFL is pushing for a complete ban on blocks below the waist for next year, according to Peter King. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

11-23-2012, 08:34 PM	#256
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	Maybe the idea is to slow offenses down a little. They have a lot of advantages over the defense these days, so throwing the D a bone doesn't seem like too bad of an idea to me. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

11-24-2012, 09:09 AM	#261
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Do the refs bear any of the responsibility for the fucked-up way that this played out? In terms of not doing the common-sense thing? I'd say so. __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

11-24-2012, 03:49 PM	#267
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	For the entertainment aspect, I kind of like the idea of a rule that's only purpose is to make dumb coaches occasionally blow games for their team. I mean, we could all bet on who's going to do this next (if they don't change the rule). Last edited by molson : 11-24-2012 at 03:49 PM.

11-25-2012, 11:31 AM	#271
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	I have no clue what to expect from the Niners today. They've been remarkably inconsistent and now are likely turning to Kaepernick which is a move I don't 100% back just yet. It's not like Smith was leading a .500 team the past two seasons. The Saints are incredibly hot right now and hopefully they are looking ahead to ATL on Thursday. One can hope... __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

11-24-2012, 11:19 AM	#264
Masked College Starter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Bay Area	It's basically a don't be an ass rule for the coaches. The play is guaranteed to be review, so the only reason for the coach to throw the flag is to argure or campaign with the ref. I don't mind harsh penalties for a violation of a don't be an ass rule.

11-25-2012, 09:19 AM	#270
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Still trying to figure out how the Giants are 3 point favorites against the PAckers tonight

11-25-2012, 11:38 AM	#272
Vince, Pt. II Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere More Familiar	I'm with you. And I have the unenviable decision of starting Dalton or Kaepernick on my fantasy team today. Hard to think he'd do any worse against the NFL's worst defense than he did against the Bears, but he's young, and the Saints have had some tape to work with. I think if he's cleared, the 49ers should start Alex.

11-25-2012, 11:39 AM	#273
frnk55 High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2006	Can the Browns get it done today against Charlie Batch?? He reminds me of Jessie Orosco. Been around forever it seems.

11-25-2012, 11:44 AM	#274
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Anybody got a good Bengals feed

11-25-2012, 11:53 AM	#276
frnk55 High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2006	I get the Denver/Chefs game! Now to make it better Derdorf is doing the game. Double wammy!!

11-25-2012, 12:31 PM	#278
BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	You wonder how much better Jacksonville would be if they'd given Gabbert the hook earlier in the year? __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it.

11-25-2012, 12:37 PM	#279
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	LOL @ Jay Cutler (stiff armed a defender as he was going out of bounds, and then thought it was a good idea to toss the ball at him. 15 yard taunting flag on him.)

11-25-2012, 12:40 PM	#280
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Marshall going to the Hester School of Running, turning a 6 yard gain into a 7 yard loss as he runs backwards.

11-25-2012, 12:41 PM	#281
CU Tiger Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Backwoods, SC	I wonder how the Browns trained these pigeons to screw with the Steelers?

11-25-2012, 01:07 PM	#282
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Dumb pass interference calls continue by the refs I see. Marshall pushes his defender away and Winfield gets flagged and the ball goes on the 1 yard line..... Its getting so bad that we should just start letting all things go except for throwing someone down. And flopping gets flagged, too Last edited by mauchow : 11-25-2012 at 01:08 PM.

11-25-2012, 01:13 PM	#283
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'll say this for Ponder - he has that gutless "throw the ball away falling down to avoid the sack" move down.

11-25-2012, 01:15 PM	#285
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	That was probably the nicest looking throw I've ever seen Ponder make. Didn't know he could put that kind of zip on it downfield. Maybe he'll throw manage to throw one of those to a teammate in the future. Having a QB must be nice. Never thought I'd be this jealous of a team that had Jay Cutler at QB.

11-25-2012, 01:18 PM	#286
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	What a freakin' catch by Spaeth.

11-25-2012, 01:22 PM	#287
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Dennis Allen has to get canned this week, right??? __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

11-25-2012, 01:24 PM	#288
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	That was one hell of a shank by Bryant for the Falcons

11-25-2012, 01:24 PM	#289
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	Nice gameplan Vikings. Run AP and the Bears will be running away from him by the end of the game instead lets air it out with Ponder.

11-25-2012, 01:26 PM	#290
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	You'd think a QB would be able to complete a pass to someone downfield when he's constantly seeing 8 in the box. Fuck Christian Ponder.

11-25-2012, 01:43 PM	#292
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	Sent

11-25-2012, 02:01 PM	#293
BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	The sprinklers sum up the last decade-and-a-half in Miami pretty well. __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it. Last edited by BillJasper : 11-25-2012 at 02:02 PM.

11-25-2012, 02:06 PM	#294
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Was gonna say when they originally said the play was confirmed that it looked like the Bears got screwed, this should be overturned.

11-25-2012, 02:12 PM	#297
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I was having such a good time at BWW that I didn't want the game to end. Sorry.

11-25-2012, 02:32 PM	#299
BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	Terrible defensive holding penalty in the Atlanta-Tampa Bay game to give the Falcons a 1st and Goal. Still not sold on Atlanta, seems they need the officials to hand them games. __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it.

11-25-2012, 02:36 PM	#300
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Looks like a shameful performance by batch and the Steelers. I guess we couldn't be bothered to pay attention to the Bears last year.

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