Werewolf XXI - Werewolf goes to Hollywood - Game Over!! Death Eaters win!!

[Coder]

... on the other hand, if we lynch Gram and he turns out to be a wizard.. feel free to lynch me, Schmidty and Desnudo... I'm a bit scared about what I just started.. don't like being a bandwagon-starter.

[Schmidty]

I was just thinking of something: If Grammaticus basically admitted to being Duke, wouldn't he have been killed by the DEs during night actions?

[Schmidty]

Dola.

I keep seeing Gram in this thread today, but he hasn't said anything even after 3 votes for him. Is he perhaps waiting for help in PM form from his fellow DEs?

[Raiders Army]

I saw him in the thread as well. I would think that the DEs are a little smarter than that though, but you never know. *shrug*

[Schmidty]

One things for sure: If Gram or Jesse turn out to be wizrds, I'm toast. It's kind of scary putting myself on the line like this.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

I was just thinking of something: If Grammaticus basically admitted to being Duke, wouldn't he have been killed by the DEs during night actions?

I was thinking the same thing.

Can somebody point me to the post where he revealed that he was the Duke?

[Lathum]

I'm sticking with ma vote from the last few days.

VOTE PATH

[Superman=#54]

Any reason why you vote for Path, Lathum?

[Lathum]

I have been voting for him for 3 days, I'll find the post numbers for you.

[Lathum]

dola #1070

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I was thinking the same thing.

Can somebody point me to the post where he revealed that he was the Duke?

Start reading aroud #728 (p. 15).

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by kingfc22
How can both be DE's? Mr. W is dead and he is a wizard. Hmmmm......

Originally Posted by Schmidty

How could they both NOt be. Maybe I'm missing something (which is possible), but I am truly not getting your point.

Note: I've had a bit too much Chablis (with dinner ), and am getting tired, so if I "disappear' until the (PST) morning, don't be suprised.

Okay, Schmidty, what does this mean? You posted this after Mr. Wed was lynched and showed no DE mark on his arm.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Dola.

I keep seeing Gram in this thread today, but he hasn't said anything even after 3 votes for him. Is he perhaps waiting for help in PM form from his fellow DEs?

I think the help arrived in the form of dubb on the last page. I've seen Gram on most of the day. I agree that we're likely cooked if Gram turns out to be a wizard. If he was though, I would have expected more votes to come in as the DEs would want to see him lynched. Unless he really is the duke, in which case, someone else dies, obviously.

May all be for naught as I believe AE is still leading the vote anyway.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

May all be for naught as I believe AE is still leading the vote anyway.

I'm going with someone I think is still very suspicious.

VOTE PATH

and I believe that makes a three way tie between me, path and AE.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

I think the help arrived in the form of dubb on the last page. I've seen Gram on most of the day. I agree that we're likely cooked if Gram turns out to be a wizard. If he was though, I would have expected more votes to come in as the DEs would want to see him lynched. Unless he really is the duke, in which case, someone else dies, obviously.

May all be for naught as I believe AE is still leading the vote anyway.

I would say these people are looking really bad:

1. Grammaticus - For reasons already stated

2. dubb - Looking back at the posts near Gram "revealing" that he's the Duke, it seems that dubb was coaxing him to "reluctanly" reveal his role. Not only that, but the banter between him and Gram starting in #736 seems like a ploy to reflect light on others, while looking like a "good guy" tag-team. Also, he has vigorously defended Gram, and even getting extremely angry when I linked him with Gram.

3. Jesse - For reasons already stated.

If one of these guys (except maybe Jesse) is lynched and found to be a wizard, I will be dead, and I will deserve it. I implore people to seriously consider voting for them.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Okay, Schmidty, what does this mean? You posted this after Mr. Wed was lynched and showed no DE mark on his arm.

You are correct. I made a mistake. As I said, I was part-way through a bottle of Chablis with my wife, and apparantly my mind was muddled. Looking back at the post, I don't even know the hell my point was at the time. My bad, guys.

[Raiders Army]

At this point, I'm the only one voting for Jesse. It's a useless vote, like yesterday.

UNVOTE JESSE EWIAK
VOTE GRAMMATICUS

[Schmidty]

I'm going away for about an hour. I'll check back in when I get back.

[Grammaticus]

I'm disappointed, there are a lot of experienced players left in this game and they are not offering much up. I'm thinking of doing something very extreme. Might not be a good decision, but I have to go with what I have and I'm just not real sure at this point.

[Raiders Army]

Just do the extreme thing! It's been pretty slow today.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

I'm disappointed, there are a lot of experienced players left in this game and they are not offering much up. I'm thinking of doing something very extreme. Might not be a good decision, but I have to go with what I have and I'm just not real sure at this point.

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[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

I would say these people are looking really bad:

1. Grammaticus - For reasons already stated

2. dubb - Looking back at the posts near Gram "revealing" that he's the Duke, it seems that dubb was coaxing him to "reluctanly" reveal his role. Not only that, but the banter between him and Gram starting in #736 seems like a ploy to reflect light on others, while looking like a "good guy" tag-team. Also, he has vigorously defended Gram, and even getting extremely angry when I linked him with Gram.

That is b/c Gramm is the fucking duke. He hinted, I caught it. Any decent player could tell what he was trying to do before he did it. Schmidty, with the exception of Jesse, which I don't know about, you have alot of Wizards on your list. I'm thinking if Gramm is lynched today I'll be going after you hard tomorrow. Something isn't right with the way you've played this game.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Just do the extreme thing! It's been pretty slow today.

I've set it in motion, but we won't get to see the effect until after 10:30pm.

[Raiders Army]

Hmmm....that means you're sirdukealot I'm guessing.

[Raiders Army]

Dola, or you're the brutal wolf.

[Grammaticus]

Alright, I gotta run and may not be able to check in until close to the deadline. May not even be able to check back again tonight. But I will say this, If you are voting for me, it is not going to be productive. I'm not going to be lynched today.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Dola, or you're the brutal wolf.

Certainly a possibility. I still come back to, if he's a good duke, why is he still alive unless the DEs completely missed that whole discussion?

[JeeberD]

I have just enought time to catch up on the thread before I have to head back out tonight. I gotta think that the DE's are doing the same thing to AE that they did to me the other day. I really have no other reason to not trust him aside from CW's death...

Gramm's acting really weird. If he really is the Duke then maybe he know something and he'll nab us a DE. If he isn't, well, then I really don't know why he would be acting the way he is...

Vote Gramm

[Desnudo]

Current Vote Tally

Voters listed by order of voting

Grammaticus 5 (Coder, Schmidty, Desnudo, Raiders Army, JeeberD)
Ardent 3 (path12, passacaglia, dubb93)
path12 3 (kingfc22, Lathum, Grammaticus)

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by dubb93

That is b/c Gramm is the fucking duke. He hinted, I caught it. Any decent player could tell what he was trying to do before he did it. Schmidty, with the exception of Jesse, which I don't know about, you have alot of Wizards on your list. I'm thinking if Gramm is lynched today I'll be going after you hard tomorrow. Something isn't right with the way you've played this game.

How do you know for sure that he's the "fucking" Duke, other than that he said it. Does anyone actually completely trust people simply saying who they are without solid proof? No, and in most of these games you would agree. The fact that you are fighting so hard for this tells me that you either A) Withholding information that could help us, B) Defending a fellow DE, or C)Being lead by the nose by the DEs. Something isn't right about you in the way you've played the game.

By the way, I wouldn't consider having 3 people on my suspicious list to having "a lot" as you put it. You are being so unbelievably dramatic this game.

If Grammaticus is lynched and I'm wrong, I totally expect and accept that my head will be on the chopping block. I am willing to take that chance.

[Poli]

I'm reserving my right to vote for now. I believe Gramm is the duke. Schmidty, that may not put me in good standing with you. Gramm's post above alone..."I will not be lynched..." says it all for me.

[Poli]

Dola: Dubb, say what you want about me. I'm being setup.

For what it's worth, I think I caught onto Gramm being the duke at the same time you did.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

I'm reserving my right to vote for now. I believe Gramm is the duke. Schmidty, that may not put me in good standing with you. Gramm's post above alone..."I will not be lynched..." says it all for me.

Just like Mrskippy said "I will not accept a banning?"

Also, I've said a number of times that if I am wrong, I realize the implications. I am willing to take that chance.

[Poli]

Good one.

Still, I believe Gramm is the duke, therefore, he's on our side.

I understand your position. Your stout position makes me believe you're on our side as well. I don't want to lose one of you.

Personally, I'd rather see some sort of vote against the quiet ones we have. We've got a few players with less than 20 posts this entire game. In retrospect, WVU had 21 total in his hideaway wolf game. At the very least, there should be some pressure put on them. In this regard, I definitely agree with Raiders Army.

Vote Jesse.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Still, I believe Gramm is the duke, therefore, he's on our side.

I am baffled by the fact that people just automatically believe what he says to so absolutely true. To me, if someone announces that they're the Duke, they're dead meat during the night action. He's still alive. That's beyond suspicious, not even counting all the wierd stuff he's said and done.

[Desnudo]

Ditto that. I feel like I've been saying it in an echo chamber. Plus if he is the duke, then great, someone else will die, hopefully a DE. If he isn't the duke, then he's the evil variant of it and we smoke him out. Or he's just a plain DE.

[Poli]

I've never felt the duke role is a good one. I kind of had it when we did the ship game and I was the captain. I played my hunch and a mutiny resulted.

Even though we won that game I felt like I had lost. The duke role is a no win situation to me.

I understand where you're coming from Schmidty. Des, I understand you as well. It could very well be a bluff, I don't know.

[RPI-Fan]

VOTE PATH12

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

VOTE PATH12

Reason?

You've been unbelievably quiet....

[Superman=#54]

Vote Jesse

[TazFTW]

Why is Jesse a suspect?

He has voted for both Qwik and SnDvls.

[Superman=#54]

Originally Posted by TazFTW

Why is Jesse a suspect?

He has voted for both Qwik and SnDvls.

Hmmmm...

[Superman=#54]

Better yet...

UNVOTE Jesse

VOTE Path12

Wether this vote is right or wrong it should reveal a lot for tommorrow.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by TazFTW

Why is Jesse a suspect?

He has voted for both Qwik and SnDvls.

He made a late switch to Qwik after Neon's reveal (after it was obvious that Qwik would be the one lynched) and he switched his vote from SnDvls to WVUfan when things started to get close between them.

[KWhit]

Vote Jesse.

[TazFTW]

Originally Posted by KWhit

He made a late switch to Qwik after Neon's reveal (after it was obvious that Qwik would be the one lynched) and he switched his vote from SnDvls to WVUfan when things started to get close between them.

Day 2
Coffee - vote dubb
coder - vote Coffee
SnDvls - vote Superman
st.cronin - vote SnDvls
Lathum - vote Superman
dacman - vote SnDvls
Jeeber - vote Superman
SnDvls - unvote Superman
king - vote SnDvls
Coffee - unvote dubb
Raiders - vote WVUFan
dubb - vote WVUFan
Lathum - unvote Superman
Jeeber - unvote Superman
Jeeber - vote WVUFan
SnDvls - vote WVUFan
Gram - vote SnDvls
WVUFan - vote SnDvls
Coffee - vote SnDvls
dubb - unvote WVUFan
dubb - vote Pass
ardent - vote Coffee
Gram - unvote SnDvls
Jesse - vote SnDvls
dubb - unvote Pass
dubb - vote SnDvls
Gram - vote WVUFan
Desnudo - vote Coffee
Lathum - vote SnDvls
AlanT - vote Coffee
path - vote Passacaglia
Desnudo - unvote Coffee
Rpi - vote Mr. Wednesday
Desnudo - vote Coffee
st.cronin - unvote SnDvls
path12 - unvote Passacaglia
st.cronin - vote SnDvls
ardent - unvote Coffee
ardent - vote WVUFan
Schmidty - vote SnDvls
st.cronin - unvote SnDvls
st.cronin - vote WVUFan
dubb - unvote SnDvls
dubb - vote WVUFan
Taz - vote Superman
RPI - unvote Mr. Wednesday
RPI - vote Pasascaglia
Passacaglia - vote SnDvls
Neon - vote SnDvls
Superman - vote Coffee
AlanT - unvote Coffee
AlanT - vote WVUFan
dubb - unvote WVUFan
dubb - vote SnDvls
KWhit - vote WVUFan
path - vote WVUFan
Mr. Wednesday - vote WVUFan
Superman - unvote Coffee
Superman - vote SnDvls


That was posted by st.cronin. I don't see a Jesse unvote.

[Jesse_Ewiak]

Originally Posted by KWhit

He made a late switch to Qwik after Neon's reveal (after it was obvious that Qwik would be the one lynched) and he switched his vote from SnDvls to WVUfan when things started to get close between them.

Umm....No I didn't. I only voted for Qwik near the end because that's when I checked the thread.

But yeah, I've been quiet. Mainly because I have no great insights, and it's been a bad week for me to be on the actual thread. Now that it's the weekend, I might actually have time to interact.

VOTE PATH

Because he's been consistently questionable the whole game.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Jesse_Ewiak

Because he's been consistently questionable the whole game.

Examples? Something? I'm not defending him, I'm just curious as to your specific reasons.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by TazFTW

That was posted by st.cronin. I don't see a Jesse unvote.

Crap! You're right. It was Gram who did that. I posted my suspicions of them both earlier today and got them mixed up in my addled brain.

FTR, I now think Gram is legit, but I'm still not sure about Jesse. But for now,

UNVOTE JESSE

[Neon_Chaos]

Death eaters make good kebab.