Werewolf XXI - Werewolf goes to Hollywood - Game Over!! Death Eaters win!! - Page 37

Desnudo · 01-16-2006, 04:46 PM

I've been trying to think through what my strategy would be if I were one of the remaining DEs. Losing two DEs in the first two votes is a huge loss. What would my strategy be if I were one the remaining 2-4? I would clam up and see if the wizards would't do our job for us. Despite everyone saying, oh so-and-so is very quiet, it seems inevitable that people that speaking up are the ones that draw attention. Human nature I suppose.

Also, talking and speculating creates a huge risk that you'll say something that later makes it obvious that you are a DE. I'm not guaranteeing that staying quiet is the strategy they are using, but it makes sense.

Desnudo · 01-16-2006, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coder

So basically... he'll only get revealed if the vote is for him to be lynched since he'll turn it away from himself... since even if he is the duke and we get a reversal on the lynching, we'll at least suspect he is the duke (as will the deatheaters).

However, the deatheaters already know he's a wizard if he's not a deatheater.. judging by the way he's been hinting that he is the duke, he's basically got nothing to lose by having the role revealed.. and just like everyone's been saying, since he's been said to be the duke for so long, why isn't he killed yet?

Question remains though.. if he is NOT the duke, then who is??!

One of the dead guys. Anyone else would have changed the last vote to Gramm if they were the duke.

Coder · 01-16-2006, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desnudo

One of the dead guys. Anyone else would have changed the last vote to Gramm if they were the duke.

But wouldn't we be told when they were dead that they had that role?

Desnudo · 01-16-2006, 04:52 PM

Yes, very likely.

Grammaticus · 01-16-2006, 04:59 PM

Stop wasting time talking about me being the duke. I plan on changing the vote to Schmidty to get the ball rolling on the experienced player theory. Unless someone gives me something better to go on.

Now I am going to step out for a while to go for a run. I'll check back later.

Desnudo · 01-16-2006, 05:02 PM

What else should we waste time on? No one else is posting.

Coder · 01-16-2006, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desnudo

What else should we waste time on? No one else is posting.

Sven-Goran Eriksson? Now there's a werewolf

Poli · 01-16-2006, 05:04 PM

I've posted what I know and what I've read. I'm on empty.

Desnudo · 01-16-2006, 05:06 PM

I think England manager is one of the most thankless jobs in the sports world. Even if they win the WC, people will call for his head for not winning with enough panache.

Coder · 01-16-2006, 05:09 PM

Well you heard about what came out yesterday, didn't you? About the sheiks and Beckham and everything.

Desnudo · 01-16-2006, 05:12 PM

Yes, I read an article about it. Why you would randomly spout off to someone you barely know is mystifying.

JeeberD · 01-16-2006, 05:22 PM

Interesting post by AE, very interesting. Also an interesting theory by Desnudo about the DEs remaining silent. I could see them doing that, trying to skate by without drawing attention to themselves...especially the silent guys who seem to be reading the thread fairly often.

Oh, and in regards to...

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Desnudo, Coder, KWhit, Jeeber, WVU, Superman, and you are left. Of these, I know Jeeber and Superman have played before. I don't recall desnudo and kwhit immediately playing in the past. WVU and you have been playing, but just recently, IIRC.

...I remember KWhit playing in at least one game before. He was in the first one I played, I think.

Coder · 01-16-2006, 05:35 PM

ok, I've done the dishes, eaten an orange and brushed my teeth. Time to go to bed. would have been fun to see a bit more on how the votes turn out but I guess I'll see them when I wake up tomorrow.

Lathum · 01-16-2006, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Stop wasting time talking about me being the duke. I plan on changing the vote to Schmidty to get the ball rolling on the experienced player theory. Unless someone gives me something better to go on.

Now I am going to step out for a while to go for a run. I'll check back later.

GRAM. THIS IS IMPORTANT

do you plan on changing your personal vote to schmity or the lynch vote to schmity?

Lathum · 01-16-2006, 05:40 PM

unvote gram

vote coder

Coder · 01-16-2006, 05:45 PM

Didn't see your previous vote for Gram Lathum... here's my tally so far.

Code:

Name	        Vote	              Tally
Raiders	        Vote Grammatic        Grammaticus (1)
Ardent	        Vote Coder	      Grammaticus (1), Coder (1)
Taz	        Vote Grammaticus      Grammaticus (2), Coder (1)
dubb	        Vote Schmidty	      Grammaticus (2), Coder (1), Schmidty (1)
Coder	        Vote Grammaticus      Grammaticus (3), Coder (1), Schmidty (1)
Grammaticus	Vote Coder	      Grammaticus (3), Coder (2), Schmidty (1)
Lathum  	Vote Coder	      Grammaticus (3), Coder (3), Schmidty (1)

Coder · 01-16-2006, 05:46 PM

I'll wait about 20 minutes more, then I really have to sleep (1 a.m. then)

RPI-Fan · 01-16-2006, 05:52 PM

VOTE GRAMMATICUS

I agree that he'd have been offed if he really were the duke. Since he hasn't been killed, I think it's because he's lying and is a DE.

Schmidty · 01-16-2006, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

GRAM. THIS IS IMPORTANT

do you plan on changing your personal vote to schmity or the lynch vote to schmity?

Schmidty · 01-16-2006, 05:53 PM

Vote Grammaticus

Lathum · 01-16-2006, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Vote Grammaticus

why would you vote for the guy who claims to be the duke and said he is going to switch the vote to you?

Grammaticus · 01-16-2006, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

GRAM. THIS IS IMPORTANT

do you plan on changing your personal vote to schmity or the lynch vote to schmity?

If I get the most lynch votes, I'm changing the outcome to Scmidty.

JeeberD · 01-16-2006, 05:55 PM

Sounds like Schmidty is as good as dead and that my vote won't make a bit of difference. Therefore, I'm gonna try to flush one of the quiet guys out...

Vote Pass

Schmidty · 01-16-2006, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeeberD

Sounds like Schmidty is as good as dead and that my vote won't make a bit of difference. Therefore, I'm gonna try to flush one of the quiet guys out...

Vote Pass

How am I as good as dead? This is confusing.

JeeberD · 01-16-2006, 05:56 PM

Dola-

OK, so it sounds like Schmidty might not be dead after all. I'll let my vote stand for now but I'll have to think about it for a while...

JeeberD · 01-16-2006, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

How am I as good as dead? This is confusing.

I thought that Gramm was going to change the lynch to you no matter what, but now it sounds like he's only going to do it if the lynch vote goes towards him...

Coder · 01-16-2006, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

If I get the most lynch votes, I'm changing the outcome to Scmidty.

Why vote different here than who you plan on lynching in case you getting lynched?

Schmidty · 01-16-2006, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

why would you vote for the guy who claims to be the duke and said he is going to switch the vote to you?

Dude. Read my posts. Have you done ANY read-throughs of this game? I've explained my reasonong over and over and over. If you haven't read through yet, then I just don't know what to tell you.

If I do happen to die today, at least you all should know who the DEs are.

Schmidty · 01-16-2006, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeeberD

I thought that Gramm was going to change the lynch to you no matter what, but now it sounds like he's only going to do it if the lynch vote goes towards him...

I hope he does do that. Then we'll know that Dubb and perhaps Lathum are DEs.

Lathum · 01-16-2006, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeeberD

Sounds like Schmidty is as good as dead and that my vote won't make a bit of difference. Therefore, I'm gonna try to flush one of the quiet guys out...

Vote Pass

Jeebs, that is a horrible waste of a vote that makes you look terrible. I think you should read AE's analyisis and make a vote that counts.

Gram, I don't pose any special powers, but if you are the duke I think you need to go with coder. Being an expierienced player and reading through everything I don't think Schmity is a DE.

Grammaticus · 01-16-2006, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeeberD

Sounds like Schmidty is as good as dead and that my vote won't make a bit of difference. Therefore, I'm gonna try to flush one of the quiet guys out...

Vote Pass

This statement is bull, the vote is 5 to 3 and not everyone has voted. Your vote counts the most right now.

Lathum · 01-16-2006, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Dude. Read my posts. Have you done ANY read-throughs of this game? I've explained my reasonong over and over and over. If you haven't read through yet, then I just don't know what to tell you.

If I do happen to die today, at least you all should know who the DEs are.

I'm trying to help you

asshat

JeeberD · 01-16-2006, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

Jeebs, that is a horrible waste of a vote that makes you look terrible. I think you should read AE's analyisis and make a vote that counts.

Like I said in my next post, I mis-read what Gramm was saying. I'm certainly re-thinking my vote right now...

Schmidty · 01-16-2006, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

I'm trying to help you

asshat

And damnit, I'm trying to help you!!!!

Coder · 01-16-2006, 06:03 PM

how the hell am I going to be able to go to sleep when it's this exciting!?

Schmidty · 01-16-2006, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeeberD

Like I said in my next post, I mis-read what Gramm was saying. I'm certainly re-thinking my vote right now...

Have you read through the evidence on Gramm and Dubb? It's been a major discussion for like 3-4 days now. If you haven't, I recommend you do.

dubb93 · 01-16-2006, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

I hope he does do that. Then we'll know that Dubb and perhaps Lathum are DEs.

Yes, because if somehow you turn out to be a wizard it makes me a DE. Afterall, there is overwhelming proof, such as the fact I've voted 2 DE's, including changing late to help condemn Sun.

Combine that evidence against me with the fact that I've come right out and said there is no reason to try to lynch a villager just to be lynching a villager(Gramm). We are best off taking shots elsewhere. That is a concept you can't see to grasp.

All of that said, it is obvious that I'm a DE

, pick someone else to set up Schmidty.

Schmidty · 01-16-2006, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coder

how the hell am I going to be able to go to sleep when it's this exciting!?

Listen to a Larry Brown press conference.

Grammaticus · 01-16-2006, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

Jeebs, that is a horrible waste of a vote that makes you look terrible. I think you should read AE's analyisis and make a vote that counts.

Gram, I don't pose any special powers, but if you are the duke I think you need to go with coder. Being an expierienced player and reading through everything I don't think Schmity is a DE.

I voted for Coder because I think it is a logical lynch based on the lie that AE pointed out. So, my wizard vote goes there to knock that out first. But, if the group does not go there, I am going to use my office to do the one thing it is good for, test a theory without having to convince everyone else to go there. The Scmid/Dubb theory is a much more pivotal direction, so that is where I will go with a forced lynch.

Lathum · 01-16-2006, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

And damnit, I'm trying to help you!!!!

Coder · 01-16-2006, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

I voted for Coder because I think it is a logical lynch based on the lie that AE pointed out. So, my wizard vote goes there to knock that out first. But, if the group does not go there, I am going to use my office to do the one thing it is good for, test a theory without having to convince everyone else to go there. The Scmid/Dubb theory is a much more pivotal direction, so that is where I will go with a forced lynch.

So if you were a duke, and Schmidty is a wizard, where does that scenario take you? Does that help you make voting decisions in the future, cause it would completely throw me off the track.

Also, if you are the duke, make that change, and Schmidty is a deatheater.. I will officially ask for SkyDog to give the title: Dumbest Werewolf Player Evah - Bar None.

Ooops.. I shouldn't be promising things like that

.

JeeberD · 01-16-2006, 06:10 PM

Alright, after re-reading AE's post I'm going to change my vote.

Unvote Pass

Vote Coder

I'm convinced that Gramm is who he says he is. And I also don't get the feeling that Schmidty is a DE, so I don't want to see him die at Gramm's hand.

Time to cook dinner, I'm off for a while...

Grammaticus · 01-16-2006, 06:10 PM

I wish I knew more about Scmidty's play style. But I am going on what I have heard. Some of you have said you don't think he is playing this one as usual. He as a rep as being sneaky and I can't see how the DEs would leave him in the game based on the risk he would pose to them. Just does not seem to make sense.

RPI-Fan · 01-16-2006, 06:12 PM

UNVOTE GRAMMATICUS

Going to think about it for a bit...

Coder · 01-16-2006, 06:12 PM

Cool

My first showdown.

If I go down tonight, I guess the logical choice tomorrow will be Ardent

.

Coder · 01-16-2006, 06:15 PM

Kind of funny how as soon as someone starts tracking statistics for votes they're targets

. First cronin, now me.

Schmidty · 01-16-2006, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coder

If I go down tonight, I guess the logical choice tomorrow will be Ardent

.

It's like people are bound and determined to not look at the Dubb/Grammaticus thing.

Grammaticus · 01-16-2006, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coder

So if you were a duke, and Schmidty is a wizard, where does that scenario take you? Does that help you make voting decisions in the future, cause it would completely throw me off the track.

Then I would look at Dubb and the other palyers mentioned

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coder

Also, if you are the duke, make that change, and Schmidty is a deatheater

Then we would get a DE and that would be good.

Coder · 01-16-2006, 06:18 PM

Final bed time tally:

Code:

Raiders	 Vote Grammaticus	Grammaticus (1)
Ardent	 Vote Coder	        Grammaticus (1), Coder (1)
Taz	 Vote Grammaticus	Grammaticus (2), Coder (1)
dubb	 Vote Schmidty	        Grammaticus (2), Coder (1), Schmidty (1)
Coder	 Vote Grammaticus	Grammaticus (3), Coder (1), Schmidty (1)
Gram	 Vote Coder	        Grammaticus (3), Coder (2), Schmidty (1)
Lathum	 Vote Coder	        Grammaticus (3), Coder (3), Schmidty (1)
RPI	 Vote Grammaticus	Grammaticus (4), Coder (3), Schmidty (1)
Schmidty Vote Grammaticus	Grammaticus (5), Coder (3), Schmidty (1)
JeeberD	 Vote Pass	        Grammaticus (5), Coder (3), Schmidty (1), Pass (1)
JeeberD	 Unvote Pass	        Grammaticus (5), Coder (3), Schmidty (1)
JeeberD	 Vote Coder 	        Grammaticus (5), Coder (4), Schmidty (1)
RPI	 Unvote Grammaticus	Grammaticus (4), Coder (4), Schmidty (1)

Raiders Army · 01-16-2006, 06:22 PM

This is somewhat frustrating because most people don't say shit. Grammaticus hasn't said anything until his ass was really on the line. Same with Coder.

Jesse still hasn't said anything of consequence, so I'm leaning towards him, Jeeber, Lathum, Pass, or king tomorrow (if I'm alive).

01-16-2006, 05:04 PM	#1808
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I've posted what I know and what I've read. I'm on empty. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

01-16-2006, 05:09 PM	#1810
Coder College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden	Well you heard about what came out yesterday, didn't you? About the sheiks and Beckham and everything. __________________ IFL - Vermont Mountaineers ~ I am an idiot, walking a tight rope of fortunate things ~

01-16-2006, 05:35 PM	#1813
Coder College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden	ok, I've done the dishes, eaten an orange and brushed my teeth. Time to go to bed. would have been fun to see a bit more on how the votes turn out but I guess I'll see them when I wake up tomorrow. __________________ IFL - Vermont Mountaineers ~ I am an idiot, walking a tight rope of fortunate things ~

01-16-2006, 05:46 PM	#1817
Coder College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden	I'll wait about 20 minutes more, then I really have to sleep (1 a.m. then) __________________ IFL - Vermont Mountaineers ~ I am an idiot, walking a tight rope of fortunate things ~

01-16-2006, 05:52 PM	#1818
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	VOTE GRAMMATICUS I agree that he'd have been offed if he really were the duke. Since he hasn't been killed, I think it's because he's lying and is a DE. __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

01-16-2006, 04:46 PM	#1801
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	I've been trying to think through what my strategy would be if I were one of the remaining DEs. Losing two DEs in the first two votes is a huge loss. What would my strategy be if I were one the remaining 2-4? I would clam up and see if the wizards would't do our job for us. Despite everyone saying, oh so-and-so is very quiet, it seems inevitable that people that speaking up are the ones that draw attention. Human nature I suppose. Also, talking and speculating creates a huge risk that you'll say something that later makes it obvious that you are a DE. I'm not guaranteeing that staying quiet is the strategy they are using, but it makes sense.

01-16-2006, 04:52 PM	#1804
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	Yes, very likely.

01-16-2006, 04:59 PM	#1805
Grammaticus Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tennessee	Stop wasting time talking about me being the duke. I plan on changing the vote to Schmidty to get the ball rolling on the experienced player theory. Unless someone gives me something better to go on. Now I am going to step out for a while to go for a run. I'll check back later.

01-16-2006, 05:02 PM	#1806
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	What else should we waste time on? No one else is posting.

01-16-2006, 05:06 PM	#1809
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	I think England manager is one of the most thankless jobs in the sports world. Even if they win the WC, people will call for his head for not winning with enough panache.

01-16-2006, 05:12 PM	#1811
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	Yes, I read an article about it. Why you would randomly spout off to someone you barely know is mystifying.

01-16-2006, 05:40 PM	#1815
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	unvote gram vote coder

01-16-2006, 05:53 PM	#1820
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Vote Grammaticus __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

01-16-2006, 05:55 PM	#1823
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Sounds like Schmidty is as good as dead and that my vote won't make a bit of difference. Therefore, I'm gonna try to flush one of the quiet guys out... Vote Pass __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

01-16-2006, 05:56 PM	#1825
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Dola- OK, so it sounds like Schmidty might not be dead after all. I'll let my vote stand for now but I'll have to think about it for a while... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

01-16-2006, 06:03 PM	#1835
Coder College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden	how the hell am I going to be able to go to sleep when it's this exciting!? __________________ IFL - Vermont Mountaineers ~ I am an idiot, walking a tight rope of fortunate things ~

01-16-2006, 06:10 PM	#1842
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Alright, after re-reading AE's post I'm going to change my vote. Unvote Pass Vote Coder I'm convinced that Gramm is who he says he is. And I also don't get the feeling that Schmidty is a DE, so I don't want to see him die at Gramm's hand. Time to cook dinner, I'm off for a while... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

01-16-2006, 06:10 PM	#1843
Grammaticus Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tennessee	I wish I knew more about Scmidty's play style. But I am going on what I have heard. Some of you have said you don't think he is playing this one as usual. He as a rep as being sneaky and I can't see how the DEs would leave him in the game based on the risk he would pose to them. Just does not seem to make sense.

01-16-2006, 06:12 PM	#1844
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	UNVOTE GRAMMATICUS Going to think about it for a bit... __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

01-16-2006, 06:12 PM	#1845
Coder College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden	Cool My first showdown. If I go down tonight, I guess the logical choice tomorrow will be Ardent . __________________ IFL - Vermont Mountaineers ~ I am an idiot, walking a tight rope of fortunate things ~

01-16-2006, 06:15 PM	#1846
Coder College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden	Kind of funny how as soon as someone starts tracking statistics for votes they're targets . First cronin, now me. __________________ IFL - Vermont Mountaineers ~ I am an idiot, walking a tight rope of fortunate things ~

01-16-2006, 06:22 PM	#1850
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	This is somewhat frustrating because most people don't say shit. Grammaticus hasn't said anything until his ass was really on the line. Same with Coder. Jesse still hasn't said anything of consequence, so I'm leaning towards him, Jeeber, Lathum, Pass, or king tomorrow (if I'm alive).

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