Usain Bolt - 9.58!!!!!!!!!!

DaddyTorgo · 08-16-2009, 02:48 PM

9.58 in the 100m.

Tyson Gay 2nd with 9.71 (new American Record).

And Bolt isn't even in as good a shape as he was in 2008 apparently...car accident and some other stuff.

The Jackal · 08-16-2009, 02:51 PM

Bolt is a freak of nature. He'll certainly keep me interested in races.

DaddyTorgo · 08-16-2009, 02:56 PM

that was...insane. there's nobody that is even in his league...he's something special.

i thought maybe Gay was on the same level as him - and at least he did push him to run the whole race and not showboat at the end, but he was never in any danger...just crazy

Apathetic Lurker · 08-16-2009, 03:10 PM

Usain Bolt...Future ex-Raider

The Jackal · 08-16-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveBollea

Bolt's not freakin' human. OTOH, is it sort of sad I'm waiting for the inevitable test failure?

I'd be so disappointed if that was the case. But looking at him, he really does have the build that screams unique, not drug-aided. But we really never can be sure these days can we? No failed tests thus far, have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

JohnnyBGood · 08-16-2009, 04:29 PM

Unbelievable. Any other period of time minus Usain Bolt and American Tyson Gay would be shattering records and would be on top. Must be tough to be second to a once in an every 3 decades type sprinter. No matter how good you are it's not enough.

JPhillips · 08-16-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

I'd be so disappointed if that was the case. But looking at him, he really does have the build that screams unique, not drug-aided. But we really never can be sure these days can we? No failed tests thus far, have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

When I read about the incredible cuts in times for the whole Jamaican sprinting program over the last few years it certainly looks suspicious.

Icy · 08-16-2009, 04:54 PM

Incredible race. I really enjoy watching Bolt running, a 6'5" guy that fast is amazing. Of course his length helps his advance, but you need the body to move those long legs that quick.

Btw, bad homophobic joke i just heard tonight from a guy sitting at the next table in a restaurant.

Spoiler

Passacaglia · 08-16-2009, 05:03 PM

I heard on NPR that if Bolt hadn't celebrated at the very end during the Olympics, he would have run a 9.55 instead. So this is no big deal.

DaddyTorgo · 08-16-2009, 05:04 PM

sure it is. it was a 9.58 into a headwind. without the headwind just think how fast that could be...

Icy · 08-16-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I heard on NPR that if Bolt hadn't celebrated at the very end during the Olympics, he would have run a 9.55 instead. So this is no big deal.

Makes sense, he started to celebrate really early in that race, almost humiliating the rest of racers.

The Jackal · 08-16-2009, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I heard on NPR that if Bolt hadn't celebrated at the very end during the Olympics, he would have run a 9.55 instead. So this is no big deal.

I mean, that was an estimate that some Professor made by analyzing the race. To say that a 9.58 is no big deal, that's just crazy. You're crazy, Pass!

Passacaglia · 08-16-2009, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

I mean, that was an estimate that some Professor made by analyzing the race. To say that a 9.58 is no big deal, that's just crazy. You're crazy, Pass!

Well I was being sarcastic, but I'm sure if you dig hard enough, you can find other reasons to say I'm crazy.

The Jackal · 08-16-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Well I was being sarcastic, but I'm sure if you dig hard enough, you can find other reasons to say I'm crazy.

Yeah, I figured it was sarcasm. But I probably don't get many chances to call you crazy outside of WW, so there it is.

kcchief19 · 08-16-2009, 09:28 PM

Bolt has shaved .16 seconds off the world record in the last two years. It took 16 years to shave the previous .16 seconds off the record. It took 27 years to shave the previous .16 seconds off that (using electronic timing).

Bolt's performance does not compute. Either he is the greatest sprinter of all time by leaps and bounds -- in the class of Tiger Woods, except better. There's guilt by association in that there has been smoke (and in some cases fire) with a lot of Jamaican sprinters. My gut tells me that Bolt is just a positive test waiting to happen.

Abe Sargent · 08-16-2009, 09:51 PM

Usain Bolt has one of the best sprinter names of all time.

jeff061 · 08-16-2009, 10:00 PM

It would be a shame if he is using. How much could it really help? At these times you'd think he could smoke people all natural.

Julio Riddols · 08-16-2009, 11:07 PM

Smoking people would likely get him in even more trouble than steroids.

JPhillips · 08-16-2009, 11:10 PM

Soylent Weed is made from people!

Cringer · 08-17-2009, 02:00 AM

I am surprised the article from ten months ago (or 8?) in which Bolt predicted he would run this exact time has not been mentioned. I saw it on the news, so sorry no link.

A few notes on other posts: good joke Icy; I think Bolt is way faster then Tiger Woods; and I heard if Bolt had not smoked a fatty, porked a fatty, and ate some fatty pork before the Olympics he would have been so damn fast he would have gone back in time.

fantom1979 · 08-17-2009, 03:38 AM

9.58 is not that fast.... I used to do that in high school

fantom1979 · 08-17-2009, 03:39 AM

Oh wait, sorry I thought you were talking about the 40 yard dash. Nevermind... nothing to see here.

Epi_862 · 08-17-2009, 07:31 AM

Just wanna chime in on the positive a-sample talk...

All pro sports involve straight up doping, semi-illegal stuff, grey area stuff and questonable stuff. To say that Usain Bolt runs a sub 9.6, becouse of some illegal substances is just... i dont know, naive? And im not attacking anyone, just saying.. The other nine guys next to him are most likely on the same stuff. He's just a freak of nature, plain and simple.

albionmoonlight · 08-17-2009, 07:43 AM

Glad that he ran 100 meters without showboating so that we could see what he could do. Turns out, it is amazing.

Draft Dodger · 08-17-2009, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by fantom1979

9.58 is not that fast.... I used to do that in high school

SportsDigs ran a 9.58 weeks ago

JonInMiddleGA · 08-17-2009, 08:19 AM

Owl Gore invented 9.58, including the decimal point. He hasn't been credited for that contribution since no one wanted to call it the Gorey System.

larrymcg421 · 08-17-2009, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Epi_862

Just wanna chime in on the positive a-sample talk...

All pro sports involve straight up doping, semi-illegal stuff, grey area stuff and questonable stuff. To say that Usain Bolt runs a sub 9.6, becouse of some illegal substances is just... i dont know, naive? And im not attacking anyone, just saying.. The other nine guys next to him are most likely on the same stuff. He's just a freak of nature, plain and simple.

To me it doesn't matter what he would've run without using. If he cheated, then he cheated. If he cheated when he didn't need to, that just makes him stupid.

Again, this is all hypothetical, because I don't think he cheated. I just disagree with the logic that the hypothetical cheating doesn't matter because he would've won anyways.

JeeberD · 08-17-2009, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

sure it is. it was a 9.58 into a headwind. without the headwind just think how fast that could be...

An article I read said there was a slight wind at his back...

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"I don't run for world records," said Bolt, who crossed the line with a slight breeze at his back.

Usain Bolt's 9.58 at world championships shatters 100-meter record - ESPN

Epi_862 · 08-17-2009, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

To me it doesn't matter what he would've run without using. If he cheated, then he cheated. If he cheated when he didn't need to, that just makes him stupid.

Again, this is all hypothetical, because I don't think he cheated. I just disagree with the logic that the hypothetical cheating doesn't matter because he would've won anyways.

I guess i didnt make my point too well.. The point is EVERYONE cheats, so the field is balanced.

larrymcg421 · 08-17-2009, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Epi_862

I guess i didnt make my point too well.. The point is EVERYONE cheats, so the field is balanced.

You think everyone cheats? Down to the lowest level competitor that didn't make the finals? Or didn't qualify to even run in the preliminaries? If all 8 of the people in that final cheated, then they should all be disqualified.

Epi_862 · 08-17-2009, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

You think everyone cheats? Down to the lowest level competitor that didn't make the finals? Or didn't qualify to even run in the preliminaries? If all 8 of the people in that final cheated, then they should all be disqualified.

And nobody in the world should ever commit a violent crime, or use inside information on the stock market, or.... You get the point.

Im really inclined to believe that yes, if your on top in pro sports, you have done something that might not be allowed, or is in the grey, at the very least. Should they be DQ'd? Yes, but they are not since i believe most of the methods that they use cannot be detected.

There's way too much money in sports to NOT be able to come up with methods that cannot be detected for the most part.

molson · 08-17-2009, 11:28 AM

I'd be fun if there were a performance-enhanced Olympics. The best athletes in the world, no restrictions on drugs. It's not really fun with the grey areas and restrictions. Even if you believed everyone was "clean", there's still all kinds of stuff they're allowed to take, it's kind of an arbitrary, always-moving line.

Butter · 08-17-2009, 11:40 AM

You mean, like this?

Hulu - Saturday Night Live: Weekend Update: All Drug Olympics

Passacaglia · 08-17-2009, 11:59 AM

I don't think you can take the factorial of 9.58, or at least not so many times. Anyway, if you did, I'm sure his actual speed would end up looking a lot slower.

sterlingice · 08-17-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

You mean, like this?

Hulu - Saturday Night Live: Weekend Update: All Drug Olympics

Is that the one from the 90s where the guy's arms fall off?

SI

Butter · 08-17-2009, 12:39 PM

Samdari · 08-17-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Epi_862

I guess i didnt make my point too well.. The point is EVERYONE cheats, so the field is balanced.

With the premise that everyone cheats, beating all these guys does indeed make him faster than the rest of the fastest cheaters in the world. In the 'everyone cheats' context, the fact that he cheated makes his accomplishment of being the fastest no less impressive.

The news here is not that he is the fastest of the cheaters, but that he is SO much faster than everyone else before him. That feat would be less impressive without cheating.

It is pretty sad that I sit here only partially impressed by a truly breathtaking feat because I am assuming news will eventually break about some Jamaican institutionalized steroid program.

stevew · 08-17-2009, 01:49 PM

Bolt ran a 20.61 in 2002 in the 200. Last year he ran a 19.3. I dunno if it's normal for sprinters to drop that much time off their previous marks, but 1.3 seconds over 200 meters over 6 years seems reasonable. Especially if you figure he would have been under a world class training regimen for the previous 6 years.

I tend to think he is clean. I suppose blood doping is a possibility, but I don't think he used any roids.

sooner333 · 08-17-2009, 01:54 PM

How close do you think Powell is to just saying "fuck it" and starting the bobsled team?

RainMaker · 08-17-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Bolt ran a 20.61 in 2002 in the 200. Last year he ran a 19.3. I dunno if it's normal for sprinters to drop that much time off their previous marks, but 1.3 seconds over 200 meters over 6 years seems reasonable. Especially if you figure he would have been under a world class training regimen for the previous 6 years.

I tend to think he is clean. I suppose blood doping is a possibility, but I don't think he used any roids.

It's not normal to drop that much time. Would be like a WR consistently running a 4.7 40 out of college and then years later starting to run 4.3 40's.

Roids turned Ben Johnson from a marginal sprinter to a Gold Medal winner. It turned Tim Montgomery from a guy who couldn't make the Olympic Team to a guy who broke the 100m World Record.

Maple Leafs · 08-17-2009, 02:28 PM

I'm getting close to the point where I don't even care if Bolt is using steroids. A roided 9.58 is still head-asplode impressive.

I remember reading an article a few years back (when the record was still in the 9.8 range) where some scientist calculated that fastest possible time that a human body could ever achieve was 9.60. And at the time it seemed like a safe prediction because the idea of anyone ever running 9.60 was just too unrealistic to comprehend.

The Jackal · 08-17-2009, 03:28 PM

How much would roids or blood doping really help you in a 100 meter race, anyways?

Ryan S · 08-17-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

It's not normal to drop that much time. Would be like a WR consistently running a 4.7 40 out of college and then years later starting to run 4.3 40's.

In 2002 Bolt was 15 years old. You can't compare a 15 year old kid to a 20 something college graduate wide receiver at his physical peak.

RainMaker · 08-17-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

How much would roids or blood doping really help you in a 100 meter race, anyways?

A ton. Body recovers much faster, easier to build muscle, much more endurance for training.

The Jackal · 08-17-2009, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

A ton. Body recovers much faster, easier to build muscle, much more endurance for training.

In terms of the actual race though, it's going to have little to no effect. I understand the implications on the rest of the year, in any sport in terms of muscle building and injury recovery, but over the course of 100 meters, you can train and train but it all comes down to how you perform in that instance. It's not like a football season where you have a huge upper hand because you stay healthy for 16+ games whereas other people let the little nicks and bangs get to them. Or baseball where your power is jacked up because you've aided your body.

RainMaker · 08-17-2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

In terms of the actual race though, it's going to have little to no effect. I understand the implications on the rest of the year, in any sport in terms of muscle building and injury recovery, but over the course of 100 meters, you can train and train but it all comes down to how you perform in that instance. It's not like a football season where you have a huge upper hand because you stay healthy for 16+ games whereas other people let the little nicks and bangs get to them. Or baseball where your power is jacked up because you've aided your body.

Depending on what he's taking, he'd have much more energy going into the race. Testosterone does wonders for your energy level and intensity. Other than that, being able to build a ton of muscle where he wants is probably the biggest benefit of all. I mean if your leg muscles are 5 pounds stronger than they normally would be, that helps performance.

The Jackal · 08-17-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Depending on what he's taking, he'd have much more energy going into the race. Testosterone does wonders for your energy level and intensity. Other than that, being able to build a ton of muscle where he wants is probably the biggest benefit of all. I mean if your leg muscles are 5 pounds stronger than they normally would be, that helps performance.

I suppose that makes sense. Still, I'm absolutely going with innocent until proven guilty with him. I don't feel the same about this past generation of baseball players, but with him I feel better about it.

The Jackal · 08-17-2009, 04:24 PM

Isn't olympic and general track and field testing some of the strictest that we have in all of sports/athletics?

RainMaker · 08-17-2009, 04:30 PM

Testing is a joke. The good drugs are undetectable. Scientists are about 5 years ahead of the testers. Best way to do it for all sports is to freeze samples and test them later on when technology has gotten better.

The Jackal · 08-17-2009, 04:33 PM

That's a shame. I have read in multiple places that the testers are far behind, and that there are a lot of undetectable masking agents in play that keep getting more and more advanced. I suppose we'll just have to enjoy the moment and hope the memories aren't tainted in the future.

08-16-2009, 02:56 PM	#3
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	that was...insane. there's nobody that is even in his league...he's something special. i thought maybe Gay was on the same level as him - and at least he did push him to run the whole race and not showboat at the end, but he was never in any danger...just crazy __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

08-16-2009, 04:54 PM	#8
Icy Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toledo - Spain	Incredible race. I really enjoy watching Bolt running, a 6'5" guy that fast is amazing. Of course his length helps his advance, but you need the body to move those long legs that quick. Btw, bad homophobic joke i just heard tonight from a guy sitting at the next table in a restaurant. Spoiler "If i had a "Gay" (Tyson) running behind my ass, i would also beat that record!" __________________ Last edited by Icy : 08-16-2009 at 05:01 PM.

08-16-2009, 05:04 PM	#10
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	sure it is. it was a 9.58 into a headwind. without the headwind just think how fast that could be... __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

08-16-2009, 09:28 PM	#15
kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	Bolt has shaved .16 seconds off the world record in the last two years. It took 16 years to shave the previous .16 seconds off the record. It took 27 years to shave the previous .16 seconds off that (using electronic timing). Bolt's performance does not compute. Either he is the greatest sprinter of all time by leaps and bounds -- in the class of Tiger Woods, except better. There's guilt by association in that there has been smoke (and in some cases fire) with a lot of Jamaican sprinters. My gut tells me that Bolt is just a positive test waiting to happen. Last edited by kcchief19 : 08-16-2009 at 09:28 PM.

08-16-2009, 09:51 PM	#16
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Usain Bolt has one of the best sprinter names of all time. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent Last edited by Abe Sargent : 08-16-2009 at 09:51 PM.

08-16-2009, 02:51 PM	#2
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Bolt is a freak of nature. He'll certainly keep me interested in races.

08-16-2009, 03:10 PM	#4
Apathetic Lurker College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Buffalo,NY	Usain Bolt...Future ex-Raider

08-16-2009, 04:29 PM	#6
JohnnyBGood n00b Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Deep down in Louisiana close to New Orleans	Unbelievable. Any other period of time minus Usain Bolt and American Tyson Gay would be shattering records and would be on top. Must be tough to be second to a once in an every 3 decades type sprinter. No matter how good you are it's not enough.

08-16-2009, 05:03 PM	#9
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I heard on NPR that if Bolt hadn't celebrated at the very end during the Olympics, he would have run a 9.55 instead. So this is no big deal.

08-16-2009, 10:00 PM	#17
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	It would be a shame if he is using. How much could it really help? At these times you'd think he could smoke people all natural. __________________ Last edited by jeff061 : 08-16-2009 at 10:00 PM.

08-16-2009, 11:07 PM	#18
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	Smoking people would likely get him in even more trouble than steroids. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

08-16-2009, 11:10 PM	#19
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08-17-2009, 02:00 AM	#20
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	I am surprised the article from ten months ago (or 8?) in which Bolt predicted he would run this exact time has not been mentioned. I saw it on the news, so sorry no link. A few notes on other posts: good joke Icy; I think Bolt is way faster then Tiger Woods; and I heard if Bolt had not smoked a fatty, porked a fatty, and ate some fatty pork before the Olympics he would have been so damn fast he would have gone back in time. __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose! Last edited by Cringer : 08-17-2009 at 02:02 AM.

08-17-2009, 03:38 AM	#21
fantom1979 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sterling Heights, Mi	9.58 is not that fast.... I used to do that in high school

08-17-2009, 03:39 AM	#22
fantom1979 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sterling Heights, Mi	Oh wait, sorry I thought you were talking about the 40 yard dash. Nevermind... nothing to see here.

08-17-2009, 07:31 AM	#23
Epi_862 Mascot Join Date: Mar 2008	Just wanna chime in on the positive a-sample talk... All pro sports involve straight up doping, semi-illegal stuff, grey area stuff and questonable stuff. To say that Usain Bolt runs a sub 9.6, becouse of some illegal substances is just... i dont know, naive? And im not attacking anyone, just saying.. The other nine guys next to him are most likely on the same stuff. He's just a freak of nature, plain and simple.

08-17-2009, 07:43 AM	#24
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Glad that he ran 100 meters without showboating so that we could see what he could do. Turns out, it is amazing.

08-17-2009, 08:19 AM	#26
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Owl Gore invented 9.58, including the decimal point. He hasn't been credited for that contribution since no one wanted to call it the Gorey System. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis Last edited by JonInMiddleGA : 08-17-2009 at 08:20 AM.

08-17-2009, 11:28 AM	#32
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	I'd be fun if there were a performance-enhanced Olympics. The best athletes in the world, no restrictions on drugs. It's not really fun with the grey areas and restrictions. Even if you believed everyone was "clean", there's still all kinds of stuff they're allowed to take, it's kind of an arbitrary, always-moving line.

08-17-2009, 11:40 AM	#33
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	You mean, like this? Hulu - Saturday Night Live: Weekend Update: All Drug Olympics __________________ My listening habits

08-17-2009, 11:59 AM	#34
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I don't think you can take the factorial of 9.58, or at least not so many times. Anyway, if you did, I'm sure his actual speed would end up looking a lot slower.

08-17-2009, 12:39 PM	#36
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	yup __________________ My listening habits

08-17-2009, 01:49 PM	#38
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Bolt ran a 20.61 in 2002 in the 200. Last year he ran a 19.3. I dunno if it's normal for sprinters to drop that much time off their previous marks, but 1.3 seconds over 200 meters over 6 years seems reasonable. Especially if you figure he would have been under a world class training regimen for the previous 6 years. I tend to think he is clean. I suppose blood doping is a possibility, but I don't think he used any roids. Last edited by stevew : 08-17-2009 at 01:50 PM.

08-17-2009, 01:54 PM	#39
sooner333 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Norman, OK	How close do you think Powell is to just saying "fuck it" and starting the bobsled team?

08-17-2009, 02:28 PM	#41
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	I'm getting close to the point where I don't even care if Bolt is using steroids. A roided 9.58 is still head-asplode impressive. I remember reading an article a few years back (when the record was still in the 9.8 range) where some scientist calculated that fastest possible time that a human body could ever achieve was 9.60. And at the time it seemed like a safe prediction because the idea of anyone ever running 9.60 was just too unrealistic to comprehend. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

08-17-2009, 03:28 PM	#42
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	How much would roids or blood doping really help you in a 100 meter race, anyways?

08-17-2009, 04:24 PM	#48
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Isn't olympic and general track and field testing some of the strictest that we have in all of sports/athletics?

08-17-2009, 04:30 PM	#49
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Testing is a joke. The good drugs are undetectable. Scientists are about 5 years ahead of the testers. Best way to do it for all sports is to freeze samples and test them later on when technology has gotten better.

08-17-2009, 04:33 PM	#50
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	That's a shame. I have read in multiple places that the testers are far behind, and that there are a lot of undetectable masking agents in play that keep getting more and more advanced. I suppose we'll just have to enjoy the moment and hope the memories aren't tainted in the future.

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