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Old 05-22-2009, 11:19 AM   #3551
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Out of curiosity - why? Other than the fact that I was a lot more UTR than I usually am.
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Old 05-22-2009, 11:39 AM   #3552
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You're certainly right that the semi-reveals combined with my role is what gave us all the ammunition at the end. Lathum's actually was easy for me to piece together despite not giving a lot of info, but what threw me off was that the "votes" for him were hidden so I wasn't sure if he was just making that up.

Without the semi-reveals I might have, for instance, noticed that CR and Hoops voted together and suspected their role but there wasn't much else I would have been able to figure out. I should have been able to guess ABe's, actually, and was kicking myself after the fact that I somehow missed that and got off of him too late.

I don't think we would have stood a chance without the roles, although I do feel like we tagged Telle and EF all on our own. After that though I don't see us getting anywhere.
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Old 05-22-2009, 11:47 AM   #3553
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This ought to be a really, really good reminder that a voting record that seems too good to be true is probably just as dangerous as a really poor voting record.

The thing that the wolves did well - particularly Dubb - was have their "good" votes in good contexts as well. I don't think I've had a game where I've spent as much time looking at the timing of the votes and the potential for unvotes down the stretch as I did with this one. And those factors made his votes look even better. That is awfully impressive considering that there was not much of a precedent for that intensive a review process.
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Old 05-22-2009, 12:03 PM   #3554
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This ought to be a really, really good reminder that a voting record that seems too good to be true is probably just as dangerous as a really poor voting record.

The thing that the wolves did well - particularly Dubb - was have their "good" votes in good contexts as well. I don't think I've had a game where I've spent as much time looking at the timing of the votes and the potential for unvotes down the stretch as I did with this one. And those factors made his votes look even better. That is awfully impressive considering that there was not much of a precedent for that intensive a review process.

I followed along after my death and tried to guess the remaining wolves. I didn't figure out Dubb was a wolf until Danny told me. I think he did a good job of burying his vote like you said.

If I remember correctly, Dubb did that in a previous game too by switching right at the deadline when he was a wolf in order to nail a fellow wolf. After he did that, it was hard for me to be convinced that he was bad.

Telle and Eaglefan I finally figured out after I put together in my head what actually happened on the day 1 vote. (Since my vote on day 1 was the assumption that someone was covering for ntn, namely Telle.. and once Ntn showed up as good, it still didn't give me a good explanation for how the middle of the day happened. So the only logical conclusion for me from that was to look at Eaglefan.)

After I died, there was a period that I thought Passacaglia was a wolf for sure because of how he was playing. Later when I found he was the duke, that explained it a bit more to me.


Edit (now that I can edit!): I was a bit frustrated that days went by without anyone pushing for Telle and think it was pretty funny that for a day or two there, only the wolves were actually pushing for Telle, everyone else wanted to go elsewhere. The only reason I felt Eaglefan was likely bad was because of Telle. If I didn't suspect Telle being bad, I wouldn't have voted for Eaglefan on day 2 (as I said before I died).
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Old 05-22-2009, 12:07 PM   #3555
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I think we all sort of kid-gloved Telle after her speaking up early in the game, and maybe that was to our detriment, but I think - i dunno...at least me was like "well telle hasn't played a lot lately...i don't want to vote her out quick even for legit reasons if it'll seem to her it was because of her speaking up early on d1"
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Old 05-22-2009, 12:17 PM   #3556
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I think we all sort of kid-gloved Telle after her speaking up early in the game, and maybe that was to our detriment, but I think - i dunno...at least me was like "well telle hasn't played a lot lately...i don't want to vote her out quick even for legit reasons if it'll seem to her it was because of her speaking up early on d1"

That makes sense, I suppose. Would be mean to get rid of someone who hadn't played much lately before day 3! (I'm just playing!)
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Old 05-22-2009, 12:35 PM   #3557
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Not to criticize the wolves, who played a great game, but if Poli puts his vote on PF in that last night, I think they win.
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Old 05-22-2009, 01:01 PM   #3558
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Out of curiosity - why? Other than the fact that I was a lot more UTR than I usually am.

It was the combination of UTR and at least one post that you made early on, I can go back and find those one or two posts if you like, but the timing and tone of them pinged me, and that in combination with the UTR and the vote you put on EF (the fact it was late, before PB voted) had me looking your way. You didn't do anything to give yourself away, just a gut call from me that ended up being right.
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Old 05-22-2009, 01:06 PM   #3559
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Understandable. Hence why I didn't say much, haha. I don't play wolf that often and I am usually a terrible liar to begin with. I felt that my typical UTR-play went well either way.
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Old 05-22-2009, 03:34 PM   #3560
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I'm glad some of you guys had fun
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Old 05-22-2009, 03:36 PM   #3561
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Was an interesting game Danny, I'm cool with the idea of hidden roles but being restricted in what you can and can't say for multiple people in the same game is tough. Definitely had fun though.
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Old 05-22-2009, 03:39 PM   #3562
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What's the over/under on the number of PM's Danny received during the game?
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Old 05-22-2009, 03:40 PM   #3563
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would have been even more, but Chief/Hoops moved their discussion/questions to email, so I got a lot of emails too
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Old 05-22-2009, 03:41 PM   #3564
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Less than I did during Marvel?

Chief and I e-mailed him, but I would say that he had maybe 10-15 questions from us over the course of the game. He probably saw another 50 or so e-mails where Chief and I discussed doing things that turned out to be dumb when we did them.
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Old 05-22-2009, 03:47 PM   #3565
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For good or bad, I think this game will be remembered lol.
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Old 05-22-2009, 03:56 PM   #3566
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I bet Abe has you beat from Dungeon, hoops.
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Old 05-22-2009, 04:28 PM   #3567
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I bet Abe has you beat from Dungeon, hoops.

Maybe not - neither Alan nor I played in that game.

I'm guessing BK's Survivor game had a huge amount as well.
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Old 05-22-2009, 04:29 PM   #3568
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Maybe not - neither Alan nor I played in that game.

I'm guessing BK's Survivor game had a huge amount as well.

But he had three? (I don't even remember now ) deadlines a day in which every participant sent a PM plus the influx of questions, I'd bet its close.
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Old 05-22-2009, 04:30 PM   #3569
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But I suppose since it wasn't technically WW..
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Old 05-22-2009, 04:44 PM   #3570
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Well, it was on the WW board ... I think it is great when people try new ideas, as long as people know what they are getting into at the start of the game.
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Old 05-22-2009, 04:46 PM   #3571
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Certainly gave people a chance to interact without being at each other's throats.
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Old 05-22-2009, 04:46 PM   #3572
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Maybe not - neither Alan nor I played in that game.

I'm guessing BK's Survivor game had a huge amount as well.

I had almost 200 a day and had to clean out my box constantly.
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Old 05-22-2009, 04:54 PM   #3573
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I had almost 200 a day and had to clean out my box constantly.

Then you probably had us by virtue of # of days. Marvel volume was about the same but your game ran about two weeks longer.
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Old 05-22-2009, 04:55 PM   #3574
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I miss being the Shadow King.
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Old 05-22-2009, 04:58 PM   #3575
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Least popular WW mechanic ever?
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Old 05-22-2009, 04:59 PM   #3576
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Least popular WW mechanic ever?

Okay, so I might be the only one who misses it.
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Old 05-22-2009, 07:38 PM   #3577
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Least popular WW mechanic ever?

Not even close. Least popular WW mechanic ever still is and will always be.. "No reveal upon death"
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Old 05-22-2009, 07:42 PM   #3578
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Not even close. Least popular WW mechanic ever still is and will always be.. "No reveal upon death"

Someone should seriously run a game with random reveal upon death and just not tell anyone about that mechanic until after the game. That should would screw with people.
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Old 05-22-2009, 07:46 PM   #3579
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Someone should seriously run a game with random reveal upon death and just not tell anyone about that mechanic until after the game. That should would screw with people.


That would likely go over just as well as the game where I made everyone a wolf without telling them that everyone else was one too... except two players... I don't think Saldana talked to me for a month after that.
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Old 05-22-2009, 07:55 PM   #3580
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That would likely go over just as well as the game where I made everyone a wolf without telling them that everyone else was one too... except two players... I don't think Saldana talked to me for a month after that.

He was really pissed.

I remember the phone call I got vividly.
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Old 05-22-2009, 07:56 PM   #3581
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Not even close. Least popular WW mechanic ever still is and will always be.. "No reveal upon death"

No doubt and nothing is even close, it was easily the most pointless game ever.

Who was the genius that came up with that anyway?
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Old 05-22-2009, 09:48 PM   #3582
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I had almost 200 a day and had to clean out my box constantly.

douche that thang...
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Old 05-26-2009, 11:15 AM   #3583
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That would likely go over just as well as the game where I made everyone a wolf without telling them that everyone else was one too... except two players... I don't think Saldana talked to me for a month after that.

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He was really pissed.

I remember the phone call I got vividly.

OMG..i think i created some new swear words that day...all the ones i already new didnt quite cover how pissed i was
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