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Old 05-26-2009, 10:31 AM   #51
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Ok rules are finalized. Please note that I added info about no lynches, ties, and made substantial changes to the role of Cultist and Tough Villager. There were some other minor tweaks made as well.

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Old 05-26-2009, 10:44 AM   #52
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Also I have a possible lead on an 18th player, which I think will work for balance purposes.
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Old 05-26-2009, 10:57 AM   #53
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If you need an 18th player, I'll play. I saw that you already had 16 so I didn't sign up earlier. I'm up for about 1 or 2 werewolf games a year.
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Old 05-26-2009, 11:12 AM   #54
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according to post 1, render is 17th..if you still need an 18th, i'll be your huckleberry
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Old 05-26-2009, 11:18 AM   #55
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Hey thanks Racer and saldana! We'll definitely go with 18. I'm waiting to hear back from the person I had asked, but with some combination of him, Racer, saldana, Hoops, and RendeR, we'll go with 18.
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Old 05-26-2009, 11:25 AM   #56
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Sounds good - just let me know if you want me as a reserve to start. I'm happy to give up a spot for someone who is not in the rotation as much, especially since the next couple of days are really lousy for me (in terms of work).
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Old 05-26-2009, 12:17 PM   #57
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Believe Barkeep as a vanilla Villager

Now he has lost all his GM powers!
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Old 05-26-2009, 12:44 PM   #58
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This actually gives me a chance to point out that I have not claimed to be a vanilla villager so you can't believe me for it. There can be no invountarily believings.
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Old 05-26-2009, 12:56 PM   #59
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I be a vanilla villager.

Ok, now everyone believe away...

Believe Barkeep as a vanilla Villager
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Old 05-26-2009, 02:34 PM   #60
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I demand people believe I am the GM. Seriously, I'll be PMing Barkeep the roles as soon as I get a chance to roll them. He will then send them out.
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Old 05-26-2009, 02:35 PM   #61
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I demand people believe I am the GM. Seriously, I'll be PMing Barkeep the roles as soon as I get a chance to roll them. He will then send them out.

i demand you die on day 1

believe dubb should die on day 1
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Old 05-26-2009, 02:37 PM   #62
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Sending out roles now. Please don't post until I post the opening announcement.
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Old 05-26-2009, 02:43 PM   #63
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Itís the annual Honesty Conference held by your favorite group, the Very Intelligent Lovely Loquacious Accurate Genuine Edified Ring. You can, truthfully, be described as ecstatic, to be there. For the next few days it should be a breath of fresh air to be around people who can be counted on for honesty. Sure the truth hurts, but thatís a small price to pay for being straightforward.

The conference gets off to a rousing start with your keynote speech by the Dali Lama. This is followed by a new documentary on Abe Lincoln. Everything is going well until the end of the Lincoln documentary when the following message flashes up on the screen:

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You want the truth? You canít handle the truth. Weíre going to make life miserable for you. One by one weíre going to make you leave until we run this place.

Yours Truly,
The We Only Lie Vilify and Evade Society

Who are these W.O.L.V.E.S. and what are they doing at your conference? Sure it was nice of them to give such an honest closing, but never-the-less they must be rooted out. They must be stopped. And youíre just the honest sort of people to do it.


Game is on. The first deadline is Wednesday 10 PM Eastern
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Old 05-26-2009, 02:53 PM   #64
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Sweet!!! I am the brutal wolf!!! (or am I?)
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Old 05-26-2009, 02:53 PM   #65
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Old 05-26-2009, 02:54 PM   #66
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Just how honest am I supposed to be?
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Old 05-26-2009, 03:02 PM   #67
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Wow, I'm in a game full of UTR players...

This is gonna be tough...

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Old 05-26-2009, 03:04 PM   #68
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Yay playing again!

Boo crappy regular villager role.
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Old 05-26-2009, 03:12 PM   #69
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Hi. I'm a vanilla villager.
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Old 05-26-2009, 03:25 PM   #70
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I accidentally listed Danny twice in the sign-ups. We will thus be playing with 17 players.
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Old 05-26-2009, 03:26 PM   #71
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I'm the cultist.
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Old 05-26-2009, 03:32 PM   #72
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Vanilla villager checking in.
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Old 05-26-2009, 03:34 PM   #73
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I'm the cultist.

So basically one of two things. Either:

1. You really are the cultist and you want to know all the wolves

or

2. You are a villager that would like to help the wolves.

If I am reading this right I am having a hard time figuring out why in the hell I would want to believe you(the game mechanic) even if you really are the cultist. I think this is one of the few roles where no village good can come by claiming it.
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Old 05-26-2009, 03:36 PM   #74
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Or...

Are a villager to help the village - you find out a wolf role. And do not have to win with the wolves.
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Old 05-26-2009, 03:37 PM   #75
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In that case, can you not just tell us?
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Old 05-26-2009, 03:38 PM   #76
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The flip side is that he can also use his powers (if believed) to either transfer over to our side, or out a wolf, if he isn't the cultist. Thank you lerriuqs for giving us an interesting first day.

The worst that happens is that he knows ALL the wolves, but then if he ends up there, we may just knock him off at that point so he can't do any damage.
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Old 05-26-2009, 03:40 PM   #77
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In that case, can you not just tell us?

Wouldn't be a wise move for him to spit out a wolf right now, until he's believed, because then he may never be believed, still be on the wolves's side, and hurt his own cause. If he's believed and converts, then he'll tell us what he has, I'm sure. If he doesn't, then we off him, so he can't screw us over with his vote the rest of the game.
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Old 05-26-2009, 03:40 PM   #78
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But we won't know which way he chooses, right? So how could we know whether to trust him or not?
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Old 05-26-2009, 03:42 PM   #79
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In that case, can you not just tell us?

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Or...

Are a villager to help the village - you find out a wolf role. And do not have to win with the wolves.

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But we won't know which way he chooses, right? So how could we know whether to trust him or not?

Honestly? Even if I give up a wolf name tomorrow, you won't know for sure.
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Old 05-26-2009, 03:43 PM   #80
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Point taken. I'm not sure how that mechanic works out. BK, do we get told if he changes sides?
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Old 05-26-2009, 03:44 PM   #81
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Point taken. I'm not sure how that mechanic works out. BK, do we get told if he changes sides?
No
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Old 05-26-2009, 03:46 PM   #82
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Hmmmmm...squirrel is playing a risky game. I'm the duke btw.
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Old 05-26-2009, 03:47 PM   #83
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OR he chooses the wolf side, gives us the name of a wolf, gets wolf killed overnight which gets turned into a conversion, and is suddenly the most trusted person in the game while being a wolf.
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Old 05-26-2009, 03:48 PM   #84
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No

Then I think we're safer not to trust him in any way. He can't harm us much if we know who he is. Problem is, he may not be the cultist at all, but just trying to pick up his skills.

I sense this game will turn into a headache sooner rather than later.
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Old 05-26-2009, 03:57 PM   #85
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OR he chooses the wolf side, gives us the name of a wolf, gets wolf killed overnight which gets turned into a conversion, and is suddenly the most trusted person in the game while being a wolf.

Then the seer scans me tomorrow night. That's easy enough to deal with.

Barkeep - a question - If I am not the cultist and am believed and chose not to take the other powers, the wolves cannot convert me if they go after me, correct?
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Old 05-26-2009, 03:58 PM   #86
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Villager checking in.
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Old 05-26-2009, 04:01 PM   #87
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Hmmmm, this should be an interesting one. Something rare here (compared to last game that is!), vanilla villager checking in, although I am curious by what I see with lerriuqs' play. He's a wily one.

Hey, since I claimed villager, does that earn me a Pass Point? +1 for me!
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Old 05-26-2009, 04:03 PM   #88
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Wow, I'm in a game full of UTR players...

This is gonna be tough...


Wow, four posts and you haven't voted me yet. Are you feeling okay?
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Old 05-26-2009, 04:05 PM   #89
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OR he chooses the wolf side, gives us the name of a wolf, gets wolf killed overnight which gets turned into a conversion, and is suddenly the most trusted person in the game while being a wolf.

The Cultist wins with the wolves or am I not understanding the rules correctly? If that is the case, it would make much sense to use our believe vote on him.
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Old 05-26-2009, 04:07 PM   #90
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The Pass Points system totally blows when you well and truly are a vanil... well, one of those things. Don't wanna earn another point if I can help it.
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Old 05-26-2009, 04:07 PM   #91
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The Cultist wins with the wolves or am I not understanding the rules correctly? If that is the case, it would make much sense to use our believe vote on him.

Not necessarily with the way the rules read.
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Wow, four posts and you haven't voted me yet. Are you feeling okay?

I knew there was something that I forgot to do...
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Old 05-26-2009, 04:08 PM   #93
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The Cultist wins with the wolves or am I not understanding the rules correctly? If that is the case, it would make much sense to use our believe vote on him.

I was thinking this. If someone is willing to basically take one for the team, lay claim to the role and then get killed, it works I guess. Or am I misunderstanding this?
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Old 05-26-2009, 04:09 PM   #94
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Nuts, that makes 5 posts without voting for him...
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Old 05-26-2009, 04:09 PM   #95
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I knew there was something that I forgot to do...

Well as long as you remember to do what my signature says, you and I are okay.
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Nuts, that makes 5 posts without voting for him...

6!!!
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Old 05-26-2009, 04:09 PM   #97
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Wait... now 6, or it is 7? Life is getting sooooo confusing.
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Old 05-26-2009, 04:11 PM   #98
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The cultist is very simple, in my opinion. He gives up the wolf. We lynch whoever he tells us. And if that person turns up good, we lynch les D2.
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Old 05-26-2009, 04:16 PM   #99
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Now, it seems there is a good chance this is a (misguided?) villager play - come out, try to get cultist, get a free wolf. The problem is that there's no way I'm going to trust anyone enough to give them the option to convert, at least not until we have absolutely no other choice.

And there seems like there's a decent chance the villager play could be used as cover for a real cultist who decided he wants to play on the dark side this game.

Honestly, I'm not so sure we shouldn't lynch les and skip all the junk.
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Old 05-26-2009, 04:21 PM   #100
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Now, it seems there is a good chance this is a (misguided?) villager play - come out, try to get cultist, get a free wolf. The problem is that there's no way I'm going to trust anyone enough to give them the option to convert, at least not until we have absolutely no other choice.

And there seems like there's a decent chance the villager play could be used as cover for a real cultist who decided he wants to play on the dark side this game.

Honestly, I'm not so sure we shouldn't lynch les and skip all the junk.

And miss the chance for an actual wolf? Really? Doesn't this move seem a little high risk for a first day play if I was a wolf?

If you're concerned about me getting the option to convert, you have the seer scan me on night 2 or any night after no kill happens. It'll be pretty easy to tell if I've converted. I mean really, for me, the only way to really gain from this play is to get a wolf out of the deal and turn villager. Any other play will get me killed pretty quick.
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