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I was under the impression they werent even sold on Turner. They were the wildcard coming into the draft. Im not even a huge fan of Turner because he cant shoot but the Twolves need to do something to generate fan interest. 5 straight years of grabbing players that generate no excitement will turn a fanbase against a team in a real hurry. Last edited by jbergey22 : 06-24-2010 at 11:19 PM. |
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06-25-2010, 12:05 AM
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No doubt  Tho every year they do seem to love Adam Silver. I think it's the shiny head  SI
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Agreed. Or just keep Beasley to go with Wade, Bosh, and a couple of other guys. Three superstars are great. But even that won't win you games if you have nothing else on the team. SI
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06-25-2010, 12:10 AM
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I imagine there will be a lot of 2nd rounders and undrafted free agents hoping to get invited along to Miami's summer leagues.
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06-25-2010, 12:21 AM
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06-25-2010, 12:25 AM
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Michael Beasley of the Miami Heat, NBA player stats Just for reference, Beasley's currently a losing player. He gets destroyed at SF, and is barely a + player at PF. |
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06-25-2010, 12:29 AM
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How much is he being paid, tho? I mean, isn't he still under a rookie contract? I wasn't implying he was a star- just a usable piece.
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06-25-2010, 12:29 AM
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Beasley has been one of the more surprising busts IMO. He was so damn amazing in college that I figured there is no way he wouldn't be a 20-10 guy in the NBA, at least.
He's just been a completely different player in the NBA.
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06-25-2010, 12:34 AM
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About 5 million. When the money dries up this offseason, when teams refuse to use their MLE, etc, you can usually get 2 rotational type players for 5m. I'm not talking stars or anything, but I'd think they'd be much more likely to help you win. |
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06-25-2010, 12:40 AM
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Love the Thunder
Great draft by them, imo, managing to fill 2 their 3 biggest need without reaching much (Cook as a shooter, Aldrich up front), get an expiring contract in MoPete, get one of their guys at the ideal spot for him and them (Tibor Pleiss) and get some value out of the picks they didnīt need this year.For Pleiss this really is the dream scenario and Oklahoma made sure to get him with the first pick of the 2nd. This way he can stay in Europe without getting screamed at for screwing the franchise ("just" a 2nd rounder) and has more incentive to come over (although he definitely wants to, anyway) by not being limited by the rookie scale, which is also good for the thunder ultimately as we arenīt talking about 5 a year but propably 1,5/2 instead of just under 1. For the Rockets iīm torn. Love Patterson as a player, but iīd definitely have preferred Aldrich or a trade for a decent Center. Timberwolves go wing, but unfortunately they got the same player 3 times in Webbster, Johnson and Lazar Hayward ... OK, they arenīt all similar, but still thatīs 3 SFs that canīt create their own shot. Good for Darko though  more comments later at work
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06-25-2010, 01:22 AM
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06-25-2010, 03:07 AM
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Not really a surprise if you watched Beasley in college. Beasley is a great offensive player, but even in college he struggled on the defensive end. Frank Martin used to sub Beasley in and out of games near the end so that Beasley would just play on the offensive end and then sub out on the defensive end. Miami's coach is a stickler on good defense which I didn't know if that would help or hinder him. It seems like it's hindered him. Beasley needs to be traded to an uptempo team where he can focus mostly on offense. |
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06-25-2010, 03:30 AM
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I do however applaud the Wolves for taking Nemanja Bjelica in the 2nd round (pick coming from the wizards), the guy is really, really talented and has routinely played all 3 positions PG/SG/SF at 6ī10 in Europe and could be a Hedo Turkoglu type player down the road.
Paulo Prestes is also a good value pick, canīt be worse than Jawai ... Hope he comes over next year with Rubio, than iīll have a lot of routing interest in the timberwolves Sacramento really did take 2 interesting big guys in Cousins (obviously) but also Whiteside who has great potential if he ever pans out (and anyway, raking a super athletic C in the 2nd round is never a bad pick) Overall a lot of (seemingly) quality or at least intriguing big men taken in the 2nd round : Pleiß Pittman Whiteside Varnado Jerome Jordan Prestes Richards Alabi NīDiaye Character
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06-25-2010, 07:34 AM
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N'Diaye was a monster shot blocker in the Big East which should translate into the NBA, at least for the limited minutes he'll be playing. He's a lot of hustle on defense and has improved his offensive game a lot considering how raw he was. He'll need to add some size to really make an impact but he should hang on for a little while, at worst. Plus he's just a good guy.
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This was my issue with him when he got drafted. He seemed like he was in no mans land because he isn't quick enough to play SF or big enough for PF. Quote:
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I never considered him amazing in college. the_meanstrosity explains why... Quote:
I agree. Beasley needs to play on a team that is uptempo and doesn't put a huge premium on defense like the Suns or something. It's not like he doesn't try but he doesn't have the athleticism to stay with some of the premier small forwards in the league.
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06-25-2010, 09:29 AM
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Knicks? Golden State?
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06-25-2010, 10:04 AM
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Houston's notorious for buying second rounders so I was kindof surprised they didn't take a flier on Pleiss, Alabi, or Whiteside SI
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06-25-2010, 10:14 AM
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Knicks = No way. Golden State is interesting but what assets can they give us in return for Beasley besides allowing us to dump cap space? Maybe a draft pick or two would work.
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06-25-2010, 10:47 AM
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yeah, me too. Although in all honesty with Pleiß and Whiteside gone by Pick 3 of the 2nd and Alabi plumetting due to medical issues (Hep B i read) they propably didnīt see as strong a prospect left. Plus with that roster a raw player most likely wouldnīt be of much use. Still would love for them to get a true C with shotblocking ability to back up Yao (Mutombo/Przybilla type player), but donīt know whose available by trade or free agency right now. Donīt get me wrong, i love Chuck Hayes (aka best post defender <6ī7 ever) but still ... Brooks/Lowry Martin/Budinger Battier/Ariza Scola/Patterson Yao/X would be a damn nice rotation. Iīd be very much open to throwing in Brooks into a possible trade. Patterson also apparently a high character guy with great intelligence and a team-first mentality, all the more fitting into this team. @ noop : Morrow or Azubuike might be available, type of players Miami could use to surround Wade + X.
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06-25-2010, 01:59 PM
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Patterson graduated from UK in 3 years. Smart guy. Love the pick there.
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06-25-2010, 03:04 PM
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In my current 2K10 savegame, duh ... In all seriousness though i would do that. You donīt allways start your best 5 players theese days. Battier would not be as effective playing with the 2nd unit imo as his main strength is defense and on offense he can hit the 3, off the bench he guards inferior players and doesnīt get as many open looks. Battier is also the best entry-passer on the roster. He should get all his minutes with Yao on the floor. Ariza on the other hand wouldnīt get the touches he wants in the starting lineup. And while his shooting was crap for some time last year (post all star he was at 45% and 41% from 3 though), he showed much better ballhandling and passing skills than i would have thought possible, leading to 4.5 APG after the all star break, sth that you need when your first option (which i hope will be Yao again) is sitting down.
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06-25-2010, 03:32 PM
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Daniel Orton just has bust written all over him , he even smells like a bust. Didn't do shit at Kentucky, weight issues, motivation issues, picked in the first round on potential alone. I dunno but I wouldnt be surprised if hes out of the NBA in 2-3 years.
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06-25-2010, 03:51 PM
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I know he lacks the skills and athleticism that people drool over, but I'm somewhat suprised that Omar Sanham didn't get drafted. Like Simmons or someone said, he has one good skill. Get him the ball in the post and he will convert at a good percentage. I think the Hawks signed him, should be interesting.
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06-25-2010, 04:01 PM
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06-25-2010, 04:13 PM
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the thing is that unless you are really, really, really good at scoring in the post you donīt get touches to score as a big guy (or any player) and if then you have not many other skills itīs going to be difficult to get a shot.
The 9th, 10th, 11th or 12th player on an NBA team never get a play run for them, get into isolations or get the ball on the block. Obviously he was a (much) better College player than most of the players drafted in the 2nd round (at least), but with a skillset and playstyle that in the NBA is reserved for the Top 3 guys on a team ...
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I really hope you are right. The Timberwolves have tried this same thing numerous times in the past and it has never turned out athough comparing him to Hedo doesnt exactly make me jump for joy. Last edited by jbergey22 : 06-25-2010 at 06:44 PM. |
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Hedo-type player in the 2nd round ? What he has on Hedo is that he has an interest to play defense and rebound, if that makes you feel better ? (he really has, last year played for the serbian national team purely concentrating on those things when his shot didnīt fall)Maybe the comparison is too easy anyway because of the shared euro-ness, but he has a pretty good feel for the game and passing ability, will love the NBA-style on offense (pick and rolls without 5 guys packing the lane f.e.) I wanted to mention btw that the Blazers owner lost a ton of respect with the way he handled the Pritchard-situation, first firing his assistant of sorts and then ultimately firing the guy (for no good reason) an hour before the draft. Pritchard rose to a higher level by still running the Draft for the Blazers...
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06-26-2010, 07:13 AM
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I suppose looking at it that way it would be a decent a pick Hedo seems like he shoots in the low 40 percent range most years and to me them players are more liability then help most of the time. Its one of the reasons Ive felt Iverson was the most overrated player in NBA history. |
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06-26-2010, 10:22 AM
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06-26-2010, 11:43 AM
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speaking of Simmons, pretty good read (half funny, half informative) on the Nets new owner : Bill Simmons: Mikhail Prokhorov guide - ESPN
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06-27-2010, 11:38 PM
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slight delusional ramblings...
My only hope of anything is that the Raptors agree to take a hodge podge of expirings/created deals/non guaranteed deals from the cavs. If they want to dump Hedo and Jose Calderon with Bosh, we can make that happen and save them a ton of money. Basically Hedo plus Calderon plus Bosh would be roughly 37m this season. We could send them about 30m(which would be Mo Williams, Delonte's non guaranteed deal, JJ, some first rounders, Wally Szcerbiak getting paid), and 3million. That's even assuming that he even wants to stay(LeBron) Last edited by stevew : 06-27-2010 at 11:53 PM. |
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It's head vs heart. If he stays in Cleveland, it won't be because they found a way to get Bosh. Even with Bosh, it's still not as strong a supporting cast as he'd have in Chicago (assuming Bosh signs with Chicago too). It'll be because he feels too guilty leaving and/or just wants to stay there for personal reasons.
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06-29-2010, 11:40 AM
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This article seems to imply that Miami is the favorites. Would be pretty wild if all 3 went to Miami.
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Eh. I mean there's only a finite number of possessions they can have during a basketball game...they can only score so many points. And I'm still not convinced that all 3 would mesh well together in terms of how they play. Both James & Wade need to play "on the ball" to get max effect out of them. So you're effectively limiting each of their number of touches by having them on the same team. Either one could probably use a Bosh, that's true.
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06-29-2010, 12:08 PM
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Brian Shaw as the Cavs new coach.
I have faith in the process, and I don't think we'll be going back to sucking like we did from the late 90s to pre-Bron. Anyways, I was talking to one of my cavs buds....we were actually thinking that if we lose LeBron, it might not be a horrible idea to bring in Gilbert Arenas as a buy low opportunity. The Cavs are never going to attract a top level free agent, so cap space is irrelevant. |
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06-29-2010, 12:13 PM
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Is Chris Broussard the love child of Stephen A. Smith and Corky from Life Goes On? He's a tard.
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So does this mean we'll just send the Miami Heat to the Olympics every four years?
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The only thing is that the rest of their team will have to be almost min-sal guys. The cap is a little under $60 mil. If you sign 3 max guys, that's $49 mil. You have to have 12 guys against the cap, so even with 600K min guys, you are looking at $55 mil. So, basically, you will have Wade+Lebron+Bosh+ one MLE and a bunch of min sal players. Not sure how that holds up over 82 games.
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06-29-2010, 01:16 PM
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Would they even be able to afford to sign their rookies at that point?
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First off, I know nothing about the financials of the NBA. But wouldn't it be possible that James takes a big cut(from his potential) pay so the surrounding cast isn't quite so horrible?
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06-29-2010, 01:26 PM
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The moment a superstar player takes a pay cut in free agency will be the first time it's happened. So, I wouldn't hold my breath on that.
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