The 2010 FIFA World Cup thread (will contain spoilers) - Page 8

cthomer5000 · 06-13-2010, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

How is it that bad? US needs to take care of business and they advance. England should beat both of them anyways...

If the game had ended in a draw, three draws would likely have been enough for the US. As much as we do need to take care of business, i also wouldn't have minded a better "worst case scenario" for advancement.

Now we're actually under a reasonable amount of pressure on Friday against Slovenia. Technically speaking we don't HAVE to win.... but we kind of have to win. We definitely cannot lose.

cthomer5000 · 06-13-2010, 01:09 PM

Given that Slovenia are going to bunker like they did today, i wouldn't make too many changes.

Torres to replace Ricardo Clark (who i actually thought played great outside of his part in allowing the first goal), and Buddle to replace Robbie Findley.

We won't need Findley's speed, because Slovenia are always going to be staying at home. We're better off working possession more (hence Torres instead of Clark), and putting a finisher up front (Buddle) instead of the guy who really only gives us speed.

I also wouldn't be totally surprised if Clint does see time at striker and Holden gets a start here. Bob has options. Whoever we put out there should be good enough to get the job done though.

k0ruptr · 06-13-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

If the game had ended in a draw, three draws would likely have been enough for the US. As much as we do need to take care of business, i also wouldn't have minded a better "worse case scenario" for advancement.

Now we're actually under a reasonable amount of pressure on Friday against Slovenia. Technically speaking we don't HAVE to win.... but we kind of have to win. We definitely cannot lose.

I was just thinking about this driving home, basically if we get extremely unlucky and somehow lose, you can kiss our advancement dreams goodbye. We do need to win this game, and if we win I like our chances to advance, a draw is meh and scary and a loss is we're fucked.

cthomer5000 · 06-13-2010, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

yikes - really? that'd be the end of our chances

1. He'll likely play.

2. Keeper is arguably our deepest position. I won't be panicked if we need a backup for a game or two (presumably Hahnemann... though it's kind of unclear who the actual #2 is).

cthomer5000 · 06-13-2010, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by k0ruptr

I was just thinking about this driving home, basically if we get extremely unlucky and somehow lose, you can kiss our advancement dreams goodbye. We do need to win this game, and if we win I like our chances to advance, a draw is meh and scary and a loss is we're fucked.

Yeah. a win is obviously good. A draw is scary but probably fine in reality. A loss = pack your bags and book the flights home.

DaddyTorgo · 06-13-2010, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Given that Slovenia are going to bunker like they did today, i wouldn't make too many changes.

Torres to replace Ricardo Clark (who i actually thought played great outside of his part in allowing the first goal), and Buddle to replace Robbie Findley.

We won't need Findley's speed, because Slovenia are always going to be staying at home. We're better off working possession more (hence Torres instead of Clark), and putting a finisher up front (Buddle) instead of the guy who really only gives us speed.

I also wouldn't be totally surprised if Clint does see time at striker and Holden gets a start here. Bob has options. Whoever we put out there should be good enough to get the job done though.

Not sure what game you watched. Clark was (by all accounts) ball-watching throughout the game, even after it cost the US a goal.

cthomer5000 · 06-13-2010, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Not sure what game you watched. Clark was (by all accounts) ball-watching throughout the game, even after it cost the US a goal.

By my account he had at least 3 huge tackles in the game. Including one situation in which he wont the ball near the endline inside our own box in a dangerous situation, kicked it upfield, and was then the guy to win the ball at the top of the 18.

I don't give a shit what other people saw, i thought it was among his best performances in the US shirt.

DaddyTorgo · 06-13-2010, 01:42 PM

Germany's my pick to win the whole thing. I meant to post up my bracket the other day in one of the threads, but didn't

Crapshoot · 06-13-2010, 01:54 PM

Klose with the miss of the tournament.

DaddyTorgo · 06-13-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Klose with the miss of the tournament.

Heh. Redemption.

k0ruptr · 06-13-2010, 01:57 PM

That was a beautiful goal by Klose

whomario · 06-13-2010, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Klose with the miss of the tournament.

and redeems himself imediately

on that miss the pass was unnescessary sharp though ... But whatevs, glad he makes this one. Finally a cross and voila

His best game in months, right on cue

75% of the german "fans" would have left both goalscorers not just on the bench but off the roster entirely ...

kingfc22 · 06-13-2010, 01:59 PM

This one is going to get ugly quick at this pace.

Crapshoot · 06-13-2010, 02:00 PM

German efficiency (you know, outside the world wars

) can be a wonderful thing to watch.

whomario · 06-13-2010, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

German efficiency (you know, outside the world wars

) can be a wonderful thing to watch.

Plus this game at least they are doing it with nice, quick plays

Everytime they play a quick ball or two the australians are scrambling around wildly.

Eaglesfan27 · 06-13-2010, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

German efficiency (you know, outside the world wars

) can be a wonderful thing to watch.

They are a great team to watch.

MIJB#19 · 06-13-2010, 02:05 PM

It's only 30 minutes, but I'm impressed by Germany. I remember watching their last competitive game, the vicorious wc qualifer vs Russia, they look better than they did back then.

Crapshoot · 06-13-2010, 02:11 PM

Podolski is playing like a man possessed - beautiful passing, great goal, generally all around class.

Groundhog · 06-13-2010, 02:29 PM

Jeez, so these Germans can play, huh?

We played pretty well for the first 2 minutes, but it's been all downhill since then... we are lucky to not be down 0-4.

Oh well, still glad I got up at 4am to watch the game, but damn is it freezing...

MJ4H · 06-13-2010, 02:35 PM

How did we get Martin Tyler for our broadcasts? I missed that whole thing. Is this an international feed since everyone always bitches about how stupid our announcers are?

This is such a huge upgrade over finding a guy that does baseball to call the game for us. Or that JP Delacamara(??) guy.

Surprised they didn't try Lalas and Fowdy or something equally stupid. Very happy to get to listen to Martin Tyler.

Crapshoot · 06-13-2010, 02:40 PM

That was a beautiful move. Germany looks like a real top class team here.

DaddyTorgo · 06-13-2010, 02:40 PM

Germany looking great.

whomario · 06-13-2010, 02:42 PM

yellow would have been enough there ...

Crapshoot · 06-13-2010, 02:42 PM

And that was a ridiculous red card that just cost Australia their best player for the tournament, killing any chances of advancing.

DaddyTorgo · 06-13-2010, 02:43 PM

Yikes - now this could get ugly.

Eaglesfan27 · 06-13-2010, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by whomario

yellow would have been enough there ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

And that was a ridiculous red card that just cost Australia their best player for the tournament, killing any chances of advancing.

Agreed. Ridiculous call.

DaddyTorgo · 06-13-2010, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

And that was a ridiculous red card that just cost Australia their best player for the tournament, killing any chances of advancing.

Seriously.

Crapshoot · 06-13-2010, 02:46 PM

This could be 5-0 pretty easily. The Germans are just a class above.

AlexB · 06-13-2010, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Johnson was great - he absolutely exposed Bocanegra continually throughout the game.

If SWP hadn't come on for Milner then Milner would have picked up another booking trying to keep up with Cherundulo.

I think Marc was suggesting it should have Joe Cole and not SWP coming on for Milner

DaddyTorgo · 06-13-2010, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jari Rantanen's Shorts

I think Marc was suggesting it should have Joe Cole and not SWP coming on for Milner

Aaah - fair enough. That makes sense.

PilotMan · 06-13-2010, 02:54 PM

Germany has always been my #2 team behind the US, primarily because of heritage. I would pick Norway if they would ever get in, but that just sounds unlikely.

miami_fan · 06-13-2010, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MJ4H

How did we get Martin Tyler for our broadcasts? I missed that whole thing. Is this an international feed since everyone always bitches about how stupid our announcers are?

This is such a huge upgrade over finding a guy that does baseball to call the game for us. Or that JP Delacamara(??) guy.

Surprised they didn't try Lalas and Fowdy or something equally stupid. Very happy to get to listen to Martin Tyler.

All of the announcers were brought over from England except for John Harkes on the TV side. JP is actually doing radio coverage. In fact ESPN actually hired someone from either Sky or BBC to run the entire production. Of course there was a small bit of bitching when it was announced that the pendulum had swung too far by bringing in all the "foreigners".

Crapshoot · 06-13-2010, 02:54 PM

That was a beautiful goal. I'm not on the German bandwagon yet, but it reminds me of a quote:

"Football is a simple game: 22 men run around for 90 minutes and then the Germans win."

PilotMan · 06-13-2010, 02:56 PM

This game is starting to resemble my FM10 games with Brays Wanderers. We are getting steamrolled.

DaddyTorgo · 06-13-2010, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

This could be 5-0 pretty easily. The Germans are just a class above.

Ssssh.

Eaglesfan27 · 06-13-2010, 02:56 PM

Germany making it look easy.

Marc Vaughan · 06-13-2010, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jari Rantanen's Shorts

I think Marc was suggesting it should have Joe Cole and not SWP coming on for Milner

Yeah I agreed with Milner coming off for sure, but SWP wasn't the man to replace him imho ...

DaddyTorgo · 06-13-2010, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

Yeah I agreed with Milner coming off for sure, but SWP wasn't the man to replace him imho ...

That makes sense. I'd agree.

k0ruptr · 06-13-2010, 03:17 PM

Yes Germany clearly looks like the best team in the Cup that we have seen so far. Very impressive match.

k0ruptr · 06-13-2010, 03:18 PM

Dola, they might wanna stop the ridiculous dives though

Groundhog · 06-13-2010, 03:21 PM

Seriously, you're up 4-0 after 92 minutes and you still take a massive dive? Glad he got a yellow there, what a stupid play.

Oh well, Germany are pretty damn good. That red card seriously sucked major ass. What a terrible call, and one that manages to pretty much eliminate us from advancing beyond the group.

MJ4H · 06-13-2010, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

small bit of bitching when it was announced that the pendulum had swung too far by bringing in all the "foreigners".

vex · 06-13-2010, 05:28 PM

Sooo, the U.S. really needs to win the group now.

MizzouRah · 06-13-2010, 06:29 PM

Tim Howard was HUGE for the US in goal.. we jumped up like crazy when the England goalie let that one slip in. I'll take it.

sterlingice · 06-13-2010, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

USMNT

That's boring and somewhat disappointing.

SI

Warhammer · 06-13-2010, 11:01 PM

Wow, was doing some digging on a US team website, I never knew the Jon Walker I grew up with was the Jonny Walker that backed up Howard a few years back...

MrBug708 · 06-14-2010, 12:43 AM

Was he black, blue, red, gold, or green

RPI-Fan · 06-14-2010, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by whomario

that´s a bit simple right here. German No1 Keeper Adler is missing the whole tournament with a broken rib, it´s not like a bruise or sth. Especially for a goal keeper any injury to the ribs is fatal ... You might be able to go the rest of a game on adrenaline, but after a couple days it´s a different thing. Wish him well definitely, but wouldn´t go to "he´ll play no matter what" terrain yet ...

That's great about the German keeper. But, in this case, Howard is playing whether or not he has broken ribs. Mark it down.

RainMaker · 06-14-2010, 06:13 AM

A draw isn't as scary as some of you are making it out to be.

If England beats Algeria:
- We advance with a win over Algeria if someone wins the Slovenia-England match.
- We go down to the tiebreakers if Slovenia-England tie. I like our chances in that considering Algeria will have nothing to play for.

If England and Algeria tie:
- We are in with a win over Algeria.

If Algeria beats England:
- We are in with a win over Algeria.

So basically there is only one scenario in a draw that puts us at a risk of not advancing if we beat Algeria. And that one would seem to still favor us.

I'm not really sure how Bradley should play this. It's unfortunate that we play before England-Algeria. A tie puts all the chips in with Algeria, although being too aggressive and losing ends the any hopes.

bulletsponge · 06-14-2010, 07:31 AM

tough break by the danes

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06-13-2010, 02:29 PM	#369
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06-13-2010, 01:54 PM	#359
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	Klose with the miss of the tournament.

06-13-2010, 02:00 PM	#364
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	German efficiency (you know, outside the world wars ) can be a wonderful thing to watch.

06-13-2010, 02:11 PM	#368
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	Podolski is playing like a man possessed - beautiful passing, great goal, generally all around class.

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MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	How did we get Martin Tyler for our broadcasts? I missed that whole thing. Is this an international feed since everyone always bitches about how stupid our announcers are? This is such a huge upgrade over finding a guy that does baseball to call the game for us. Or that JP Delacamara(??) guy. Surprised they didn't try Lalas and Fowdy or something equally stupid. Very happy to get to listen to Martin Tyler. __________________ My YouTube channel My Twitch channel My Sharona Last edited by MJ4H : 06-13-2010 at 02:35 PM.

06-13-2010, 02:40 PM	#371
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	That was a beautiful move. Germany looks like a real top class team here.

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whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	yellow would have been enough there ...

06-13-2010, 02:42 PM	#374
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	And that was a ridiculous red card that just cost Australia their best player for the tournament, killing any chances of advancing.

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06-13-2010, 02:46 PM	#378
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	This could be 5-0 pretty easily. The Germans are just a class above.

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06-13-2010, 02:54 PM	#383
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	That was a beautiful goal. I'm not on the German bandwagon yet, but it reminds me of a quote: "Football is a simple game: 22 men run around for 90 minutes and then the Germans win."

06-13-2010, 02:56 PM	#384
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06-13-2010, 03:18 PM	#390
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06-13-2010, 03:21 PM	#391
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Seriously, you're up 4-0 after 92 minutes and you still take a massive dive? Glad he got a yellow there, what a stupid play. Oh well, Germany are pretty damn good. That red card seriously sucked major ass. What a terrible call, and one that manages to pretty much eliminate us from advancing beyond the group. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

06-13-2010, 05:28 PM	#393
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	Sooo, the U.S. really needs to win the group now.

06-13-2010, 06:29 PM	#394
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Tim Howard was HUGE for the US in goal.. we jumped up like crazy when the England goalie let that one slip in. I'll take it.

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Warhammer Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dayton, OH	Wow, was doing some digging on a US team website, I never knew the Jon Walker I grew up with was the Jonny Walker that backed up Howard a few years back...

06-14-2010, 12:43 AM	#397
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06-14-2010, 06:13 AM	#399
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	A draw isn't as scary as some of you are making it out to be. If England beats Algeria: - We advance with a win over Algeria if someone wins the Slovenia-England match. - We go down to the tiebreakers if Slovenia-England tie. I like our chances in that considering Algeria will have nothing to play for. If England and Algeria tie: - We are in with a win over Algeria. If Algeria beats England: - We are in with a win over Algeria. So basically there is only one scenario in a draw that puts us at a risk of not advancing if we beat Algeria. And that one would seem to still favor us. I'm not really sure how Bradley should play this. It's unfortunate that we play before England-Algeria. A tie puts all the chips in with Algeria, although being too aggressive and losing ends the any hopes.

06-14-2010, 07:31 AM	#400
bulletsponge Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TX	tough break by the danes

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