The Official 2013 MLB Thread

[Bad-example]

Originally Posted by Lathum

yup. Either take a swing at someone or shut up, he comes off as a little bitch.

+1

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Lathum

yup. Either take a swing at someone or shut up, he comes off as a little bitch.

I think he wanted to actually

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

And Greinke's got a fractured collarbone thanks to Quentin. Way to overreact to a 3-2 pitch in a 2-1 game, cocksucker.

[lungs]

Is it the same collar bone Greinke fractured when playing basketball?

Damn shame a moron like Quentin can't realize the situation and then still bring up some BS about getting hit by Greinke 4 years ago.

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by Atocep

He should be suspended as long as Greinke is out. That shit is stupid.

I disagree. Both players are wrong. Quentin is certainly wrong for charging the mound, but Greinke quite clearly hits him and mouths off before Quentin charges the mound. I don't know what was said, but it's obviously said in an antagonistic manner and that appears to have set off Quentin.

Quentin deserves a suspension, but Greinke clearly exasperated the situation.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Blackadar

I disagree. Both players are wrong. Quentin is certainly wrong for charging the mound, but Greinke quite clearly hits him and mouths off before Quentin charges the mound. I don't know what was said, but it's obviously said in an antagonistic manner and that appears to have set off Quentin.

Quentin deserves a suspension, but Greinke clearly exasperated the situation.

Some people are letting Zack's quiet demeanor fool them. He was well known during his stint in KC for the dead-eye stares and mouthing off at batters. It's fine as long as no one does anything about it. In this case, someone did and it cost him a perfectly good collarbone.

[Subby]

Originally Posted by Lathum

If they really want to punish the Padres they will make him start every game Grienke is out.

Gold!

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Danny

I hope they bean Quentin in the nuts tomorrow

Next week. I think if Beckett faces him he'll be nailed. It will almost be worth running out of pitchers.

They should aim for his collarbone

[cartman]

A night after getting shutout by the Rays, the Rangers roughed up King Felix, tagging him for 4 runs on 10 hits in 6 2/3. Baseball is a strange game.

[PilotMan]

Matt was very upset about being thrown at earlier in the game, but he dealt with it like a pro. Then when Quentin was thrown at he charged right away. Kemp's problem was with the way he handled it, and in the end, ended up hurting Greinke.

Monday is going to be a barroom brawl.

[Crapshoot]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

Matt was very upset about being thrown at earlier in the game, but he dealt with it like a pro. Then when Quentin was thrown at he charged right away. Kemp's problem was with the way he handled it, and in the end, ended up hurting Greinke.

Monday is going to be a barroom brawl.

On ... Jackie Robinson day! Quentin was apparently hit earlier in the series as well.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

Then when Quentin was thrown at he charged right away.

Srsly though, could anyone in their right mind think he was "thrown at" on a payoff pitch in a one-run game?

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Srsly though, could anyone in their right mind think he was "thrown at" on a payoff pitch in a one-run game?

That's just it. It was the 3-2 pitch. He would have wasted that on a 1-0 or 0-1, but not a 3-2.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

That's just it. It was the 3-2 pitch. He would have wasted that on a 1-0 or 0-1, but not a 3-2.

And even more especially on a guy who ain't exactly been killing the ball so far this year and had struck out his last time up.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

On ... Jackie Robinson day! Quentin was apparently hit earlier in the series as well.

He has apparently been hit more than anyone in baseball. He has lead the league the last 2 years and been hit 20 times or more 3 times in 5 years as a starter. Getting hit earlier in the series doesn't point to anything except that he has a problem getting hit by pitches.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Some people are letting Zack's quiet demeanor fool them. He was well known during his stint in KC for the dead-eye stares and mouthing off at batters. It's fine as long as no one does anything about it. In this case, someone did and it cost him a perfectly good collarbone.

Not only that, but I would argue one of the keys to Zack's success is a willingness to throw inside. Granted, when he was pitching with KC, we didn't know what pitching inside looked like except for him because every other starter (save Gil Meche, pretty much) pitched scared.

SI

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

He has apparently been hit more than anyone in baseball. He has lead the league the last 2 years and been hit 20 times or more 3 times in 5 years as a starter. Getting hit earlier in the series doesn't point to anything except that he has a problem getting hit by pitches.

He apparently fancies himself as the modern-day Don Baylor ... except for the part where Baylor wasn't a bitch.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Danny

In general I wish baseball would do away with intentional beaning and charging the mound.

NO!

I want to keep using it as a reason to bring back these retaliation type fouls in the NBA.

[Easy Mac]

Originally Posted by Blackadar

I disagree. Both players are wrong. Quentin is certainly wrong for charging the mound, but Greinke quite clearly hits him and mouths off before Quentin charges the mound. I don't know what was said, but it's obviously said in an antagonistic manner and that appears to have set off Quentin.

Quentin deserves a suspension, but Greinke clearly exasperated the situation.

Clearly hits him? It was at most 4 inches off the plate.

The long video is below. The best initial view is at about 3:08. Grienke is facing home plate and says "f---". A second later he says "f--- it" and tosses his glove. Comparing it to earlier in the video, it would appear Quentin charged immediatlely after the initial swear. Hardly a reason to rush the mound.

[Subby]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

He apparently fancies himself as the modern-day Don Baylor ... except for the part where Baylor wasn't a bitch.

This is pretty good, too.

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

Clearly hits him? It was at most 4 inches off the plate.

The long video is below. The best initial view is at about 3:08. Grienke is facing home plate and says "f---". A second later he says "f--- it" and tosses his glove. Comparing it to earlier in the video, it would appear Quentin charged immediatlely after the initial swear. Hardly a reason to rush the mound.

This vid on ESPN shows it: Brawl Erupts In Dodgers' Win Over Padres - ESPN Video - ESPN - Greinke says something directed at Quentin at 0:16 (not just "facing home plate"), who then rushes the mound. In other words, Grienke should learn to shut his fucking mouth if he doesn't want his ass kicked. I'm not saying Quentin should have charged, but Grienke clearly escalated the situation prior to the fracas. Don't try to finesse the facts.

Oh, and regarding the video you linked, it's appears that he said "fuck you" than "fuck it".

[MrBug708]

Actually Quinton escalated it by squaring up at Greinke.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Atocep

He should be suspended as long as Greinke is out. That shit is stupid.

why? he charged the mound, thats 4 games.

Im always super annoyed in hockey when people say a suspension should be longer because of an injury.

we need to look at the root cause not the outcome. that greinke got injured sucks (for the dodgers) but... its irrelevant. a fight is a fight, and all need to be treated equal.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

why? he charged the mound, thats 4 games.

Im always super annoyed in hockey when people say a suspension should be longer because of an injury.

we need to look at the root cause not the outcome. that greinke got injured sucks (for the dodgers) but... its irrelevant. a fight is a fight, and all need to be treated equal.

A thousand times this.

[claphamsa]

I would also make it a much more significant penalty... like 25 games.... because people DO get hurt... and its friggin baseball.

[Easy Mac]

Originally Posted by Blackadar

This vid on ESPN shows it: Brawl Erupts In Dodgers' Win Over Padres - ESPN Video - ESPN - Greinke says something directed at Quentin at 0:16 (not just "facing home plate"), who then rushes the mound. In other words, Grienke should learn to shut his fucking mouth if he doesn't want his ass kicked. I'm not saying Quentin should have charged, but Grienke clearly escalated the situation prior to the fracas. Don't try to finesse the facts.

Oh, and regarding the video you linked, it's appears that he said "fuck you" than "fuck it".

I clearly said he said something when he face home plate, but Quentin had already taken steps towards him, and Greinke at best said 1-2 words before Quentin ran out there.

I'd say the timeline is: Grienke hits him on the elbow, Grienke turns towards first while Quentin reacts to getting hit. Quentin then takes 2-3 steps towards the mound as Grienke looks towards home plate. Quentin continues to walk and Grienke says 1-2 words that we can't make out. Quentin runs out while Grienke takes steps towards home. Grienke says f--- something and tosses his glove. Both lower their shoulders at oddly the exact same moment, which I don't think I've ever seen in a mound charging.

But I will concede that you greatly dislike Grienke.

[JetsIn06]

Originally Posted by cartman

A night after getting shutout by the Rays, the Rangers roughed up King Felix, tagging him for 4 runs on 10 hits in 6 2/3. Baseball is a strange game.

Really? Matt Moore is one of the best young pitchers in the game.

Edit: Though I don't disagree that baseball is a strange game. Just slightly surprised you think the Rangers should have roughed up Moore.

[Scarecrow]

As someone on mlb radio said this morning in regards to the suspension length equal to injury length:

"Greinke didn't throw the ball to injure Quinton; Quinton charged the mound to injure Greinke."

(Now you can argue whether or not Greinke actually threw at him, and you can argue if Quinton was baited)

[cartman]

I don't think they should have roughed up Moore, but to get shutout by him at home, then travel to Seattle and tag Hernandez was surprising.

King Felix at home > Moore on the road

[Lathum]

I blame the Dodgers catcher. The first step Quentin takes towards the monud the catcher should be getting in front of him the way Jake Taylor protected Wild Thing.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I blame the Dodgers catcher. The first step Quentin takes towards the monud the catcher should be getting in front of him the way Jake Taylor protected Wild Thing.

"Don't even think about it Coleman..."

[molson]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

why? he charged the mound, thats 4 games.

Im always super annoyed in hockey when people say a suspension should be longer because of an injury.

we need to look at the root cause not the outcome. that greinke got injured sucks (for the dodgers) but... its irrelevant. a fight is a fight, and all need to be treated equal.

In a tort or criminal context the law would consider the outcome. Not sure why this is different, though I don't have a strong opinion either way. I can see the argument that if you're going to engage in reckless behavior that's against the rules of whatever you're doing, the consequences of your actions should figure into the penalty.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by molson

In a tort or criminal context the law would consider the outcome. Not sure why this is different, though I don't have a strong opinion either way. I can see the argument that if you're going to engage in reckless behavior that's against the rules of whatever you're doing, the consequences of your actions should figure into the penalty.

no torts in sports

[molson]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

no torts in sports

I understand that, but the reasoning is the same.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by molson

I understand that, but the reasoning is the same.

when dealing with law, reason and logic are suspended, you follow law and precedent.

[Suicane75]

Fuck em all. I've never been in a situation where I wanted to punch somebody, but somehow was unable to punch said person. Two grown men athletes heading right towards each other, unencumbered, and they collide shoulder to shoulder? What the fuck is that? It's two guys who wanna do something but don't have the balls to actually do something. Same with Matt Kemp. If you wanna beat someones ass you don't walk slowly towards him until somebody else is able to hold you back.

[cartman]

Nolan Ryan set the gold standard for how to deal with someone charging the mound.

[Suicane75]

Exactly. That minor leaguer about a decade ago who backkicked the catcher and then charged the mound, that's how a person who wants to fight fights. He was stupid for doing it, but if you're gonna do it, do it.

[molson]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

when dealing with law, reason and logic are suspended, you follow law and precedent.

Not in a common law system. The law evolved over time, based on many individual decision-makers concluding that when you step outside the bounds of whatever rules that you're governed by, you're responsible for the outcome of your actions. Somewhere along the way we decided crashing your car into a person when you're drunk is much worse than crashing your car into a pole when you're drunk, even if your level of guilt and actions were identical in both situations. I can see both sides of it and every situation is different.

[Bad-example]

Not sure what the count was but there were at least 2 balls for sure...

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[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

I clearly said he said something when he face home plate, but Quentin had already taken steps towards him, and Greinke at best said 1-2 words before Quentin ran out there.

I'd say the timeline is: Grienke hits him on the elbow, Grienke turns towards first while Quentin reacts to getting hit. Quentin then takes 2-3 steps towards the mound as Grienke looks towards home plate. Quentin continues to walk and Grienke says 1-2 words that we can't make out. Quentin runs out while Grienke takes steps towards home. Grienke says f--- something and tosses his glove. Both lower their shoulders at oddly the exact same moment, which I don't think I've ever seen in a mound charging.

But I will concede that you greatly dislike Grienke.

I'd say you're full of shit. We can make out at least one of the words and we can make out they are directed at Quentin prior to to Quentin charging the mound. We can also make out Quentin yelling something at Grienke before charging the mound. As I've said, both parties are guilty and both parties escalated the situation. The video clearly shows what happens and Grienke isn't some blameless victim.

FYI, I don't give a shit about either team, but feel free to concede points no one is making! We can both play that game, so long as I get to concede that you're siding with Grienke because he's white.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by molson

Not in a common law system. The law evolved over time, based on many individual decision-makers concluding that when you step outside the bounds of whatever rules that you're governed by, you're responsible for the outcome of your actions. Somewhere along the way we decided crashing your car into a person when you're drunk is much worse than crashing your car into a pole when you're drunk, even if your level of guilt and actions were identical in both situations. I can see both sides of it and every situation is different.

your a lawyer... you should know there isn't a drop of logic or right in our legal system!

[Logan]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

no torts in sports

[daverick]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Some people are letting Zack's quiet demeanor fool them. He was well known during his stint in KC for the dead-eye stares and mouthing off at batters. It's fine as long as no one does anything about it. In this case, someone did and it cost him a perfectly good collarbone.

How dare you try to intimidate a batter while on the mound. Staring at someone and mouthing off at a little bitch that doesn't even attempt to move out of the way of a ball barely in on him doesn't give a player the right to charge the mound.

[Easy Mac]

Originally Posted by Blackadar

FYI, I don't give a shit about either team, but feel free to concede points no one is making! We can both play that game, so long as I get to concede that you're siding with Grienke because he's white.

?

[Subby]

BALL GRABBIN'

[sterlingice]

Can I per-emptively ask that if this goes into the cool pix thread that it gets deleted

SI

[miami_fan]

Spinning this forward to Monday according to the baseball code, Quentin can expect to get hit and he has to take and the umpires have to allow it right?

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Lathum

If they really want to punish the Padres they will make him start every game Grienke is out.

Love It

SI

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Spinning this forward to Monday according to the baseball code, Quentin can expect to get hit and he has to take and the umpires have to allow it right?

hahaha no

they will warn both benches before the start of the game and throw out anybody who retaliates