2014-15 NFL Offseason Thread (Non Draft Edition)

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Except for when Peyton won the Super Bowl. Just semantics, though.

One time. But Manning will be remembered as the guy who choked in the playoffs more often than not, with four different head coaches. A bit of a pattern there.

[SteveMax58]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

and what leftovers are Denver going to get that will be better?!?

Thats what makes me think Shanahan. Just seems too odd to blame Fox unless Elway was already going that way and this gives him the excuse.

[Galaril]

Jason La Canfora says the coaches have not been fired. But they're certainly somewhere in-between.

Also. I am told Broncos have told all coaches under contract they are free to explore other options but have not been terminated
— Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) January 12, 2015

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

and what leftovers are Denver going to get that will be better?!?

You think with the talent on that team and Manning coming back (probably), there won't be a beeline of coaches waiting to take that job? I somehow doubt the Broncos will lack for qualified candidates.

[Buccaneer]

I can understand that the Fox/Elway relationship was like Harbaugh/49ers but man, you have one of the most successful teams in the NFL. Not winning the Super Bowl is no excuse because that's very hard to do (just ask the most elite team in the league, the Pats). If that's the only metric, than that's unrealistic.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by SteveMax58

Thats what makes me think Shanahan. Just seems too odd to blame Fox unless Elway was already going that way and this gives him the excuse.

I just saw that but I had always believed that Elway/Shanahan weren't on best terms. Besides, they're going to have to start over with a new QB and that's not Shanahan's thing.

[Ryche]

Originally Posted by stevew

Manning has to be retiring, right?

Really feels that way to me, I don't see anyway Manning would be coming back to an entirely new staff. The only way I could see it working differently is if they are doing this to make Gase the head coach to keep Manning happy but there are not any such indications so far.

I think it's Brock Osweiler time.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Ryche

I think it's Brock Osweiler time.

That... will be brutal.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

You think with the talent on that team and Manning coming back (probably), there won't be a beeline of coaches waiting to take that job? I somehow doubt the Broncos will lack for qualified candidates.

Except for the Seattle and maybe the Cards DC, I think all are spoken for (I don't follow much so I don't know)? Unless you're talking about retired coaches or a college superstar?

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Except for the Seattle and maybe the Cards DC, I think all are spoken for (I don't follow much so I don't know)? Unless you're talking about retired coaches or a college superstar?

Denver Broncos Coaching Search: The Broncos want to interview Seattle Seahawks Defensive Coordinator DanÂ*Quinn - Mile High Report

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

That... will be brutal.

Nothing could be worse than Tebow soooo :-)

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Nothing could be worse than Tebow soooo :-)

HEY!

Tebow does nothing but win

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

HEY!

Tebow does nothing but win

Hahaha

[stevew]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

That... will be brutal.

He's going to have, at the minimum, a good to great offensive line, a couple solid backs, at least least 1 Thomas, Sanders, and a pretty stout pass rush backing him up. I could see him being just fine.

[RedKingGold]

Looks like Elway has a bit of Jeddy Boy York in him:

Fox, Elway split was a long time coming | ProFootballTalk

[stevew]

Dola

If they think Ostweiler is good, it's time to make the move. He's got 1 year left on his deal. You maybe do like post McNabb Philly and give him a 1 year extension and bring in a challenger. Otherwise he gets traded this off-season if Manning comes back.

[SteveMax58]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I just saw that but I had always believed that Elway/Shanahan weren't on best terms. Besides, they're going to have to start over with a new QB and that's not Shanahan's thing.

Thats what I don't have a good sense of. I haven't really followed their relationship very closely but would seem like a good fit if they have Peyton back.

Would seem strange to drop Fox if Peyton is retiring. I mean they wont likely have a franchise QB available where they are picking (presumably).

[Galaril]

Just heard on the radio they say Fox has turned down an interview with the Jets LOL. Jets man.

[Galaril]

Sounds like FOx already had a new gig lined up weeks ago so guess he was going to resign regardless . Bears or Falcons hmm.

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Except for when Peyton won the Super Bowl. Just semantics, though.

if i remember correctly, the Colts defense played great the 2nd half of that season and the playoffs. a healthy Bob Sanders was the difference for that team, not Manning. they also ran far more than any Manning team ever has

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Maybe or maybe not. It depends on who they hire. More intriguing question: Could Peyty on ask the Broncos for his release and pursue a starting position elsewhere? If so, where would be a good fit?

why would denver not say hell no?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Except for the Seattle and maybe the Cards DC, I think all are spoken for (I don't follow much so I don't know)? Unless you're talking about retired coaches or a college superstar?

Yup, that's what I was thinking. Gruden, Shanahan, Cowher, Holmgren, maybe even Manning's old coach Dungy. Pretty intriguing situation to step into and can be short term, too, since that coach would probably retire again after Manning retires.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

if i remember correctly, the Colts defense played great the 2nd half of that season and the playoffs. a healthy Bob Sanders was the difference for that team, not Manning. they also ran far more than any Manning team ever has

So, Manning was not a factor then? I thought he choked the playoffs away?

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

So, Manning was not a factor then? I thought he choked the playoffs away?

he wasnt asked to carry the team that offseason, he was more a game manager. they ran the ball and played great defense

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

he wasnt asked to carry the team that offseason, he was more a game manager. they ran the ball and played great defense

OK, so when he wins some other factor is responsible. But if he loses, it's because he choked the game away right?

I'm sure Peyton wanted Hank Baskett on the hands team in the Super Bowl against the Saints too, right?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

if i remember correctly, the Colts defense played great the 2nd half of that season and the playoffs. a healthy Bob Sanders was the difference for that team, not Manning. they also ran far more than any Manning team ever has

Umm ...

2005 Colts - 16th rushing - 465 rushes / 1,703 yards
2006 Colts 18th rushing -- 439 rushes / 1,762 yards
2007 Colts - 18th rushing - 446 rushes / 1,706 yards

2005 Colts - 3rd passing - 515 attempts / 4,096 yards & 31 TDs
2006 Colts 2nd passing - 557 attempts / 4,308 yards & 31 TDs
2007 - 6th passing - 551 attempts / 4,033 yards & 32 TDs

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

OK, so when he wins some other factor is responsible. But if he loses, it's because he choked the game away right?

I'm sure Peyton wanted Hank Baskett on the hands team in the Super Bowl against the Saints too, right?

when you build an entire offense around 1 guy throwing the ball and he takes up a large % of the salary cap, he better not under-perform in the playoffs.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Umm ...

2005 Colts - 16th rushing - 465 rushes / 1,703 yards
2006 Colts 18th rushing -- 439 rushes / 1,762 yards
2007 Colts - 18th rushing - 446 rushes / 1,706 yards

2005 Colts - 3rd passing - 515 attempts / 4,096 yards & 31 TDs
2006 Colts 2nd passing - 557 attempts / 4,308 yards & 31 TDs
2007 - 6th passing - 551 attempts / 4,033 yards & 32 TDs

Stop letting facts get in the way of a great narrative!

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

when you build an entire offense around 1 guy throwing the ball and he takes up a large % of the salary cap, he better not under-perform in the playoffs.

Oh, so it's Peyton's fault that the team paid him all that money. Also, on the flip side, if the Colts let Peyton walk, they would not even sniff the post-season. As you know, the 2011 Colts were awesome without Peyton.

[claphamsa]

cut dalton, sign payton!!!

[RedKingGold]

According to Matt Maiccio, it looks like its down to Adam Gase for the 49ers, and if he turns them down, it's Jim Tomsula's job.

[Galaril]

So curious how far Mariotta falls if at all. looks like OSU has solved the Mariotta offense and more so how he would be slowed. I think I would rather take Brype Petty or Hundly

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by Galaril

So curious how far Mariotta falls if at all. looks like OSU has solved the Mariotta offense and more so how he would be slowed. I think I would rather take Brype Petty or Hundly

Lol, just gonna keep overreacting to everything? The guy's 22-31 for 311 yards and 2 TD's despite 2 huge drive-killing drops and their 2nd best WR being suspended.

[Arles]

Originally Posted by Galaril

So curious how far Mariotta falls if at all. looks like OSU has solved the Mariotta offense and more so how he would be slowed. I think I would rather take Brype Petty or Hundly

He went 24/37 (65%) for 333 (9 ypa), 2 TDs and 1 INT - not too shabby against a very good defense who held Wisconsin to 180 yards and 3 INTs, as well as Blake Sims to 230 yards and 3 picks.

Everyone is raving about Cardale Jones (and for good measure), but he combined for 2 TDs, 280 total yards and 2 turnovers. And that's with a RB going for 246 yards. Mariotta combined for 372 yards with 2 TDs and one turnover, despite having no running game and WRs dropping the ball left and right. With his normal stable of WRs, he probably goes for 400 yards passing last night. Ohio State was better, but Mariotta's play wasn't the problem. It was the 281 yards rushing allowed (at almost 7 yards a clip).

[cartman]

The Mariotta INT was on the last pass of the game, and didn't affect the outcome at all.

[Galaril]

Broncos coaching search: Denver will ask permission to interview Ravens OC Gary Kubiak - Mile High Report
Maybe Shannahan:
Cole: Shanny interested in Broncos job - Mile High Report

[QuikSand]

Kubiak made an odd decision this week to pre-emptively announce his intentions to stay in Baltimore. Not that this means a ton, and running the Broncos with Manning would seem to be an alluring offer, but that was an odd decision for a guy whose stock is likely high after magically breathing some life into the Ravens' offense.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Kubiak made an odd decision this week to pre-emptively announce his intentions to stay in Baltimore. Not that this means a ton, and running the Broncos with Manning would seem to be an alluring offer, but that was an odd decision for a guy whose stock is likely high after magically breathing some life into the Ravens' offense.

But Kubiak is also someone with possible health issues that just had to pull up and move his family last year. He may not want to go through that again this year.

I'm not sure how he's even seen as an upgrade, honestly. You fire a guy who took you to the playoffs for four straight seasons to replace him with a guy who went twice in nine years as a head coach and his last season was 2-11.

If I was looking for an offensive coordinator, then yeah, I'd go hard after Kubiak. If I'm looking for a head coach, then I'm looking elsewhere.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

According to Matt Maiccio, it looks like its down to Adam Gase for the 49ers, and if he turns them down, it's Jim Tomsula's job.

Yea and Fangio has reportedly said he is out if Gase is the HC.

Not sure I like that since our defense has been so solid the past 4 years with him at the helm. Not to say somebody else couldn't come in and lead that talented unit, but having to change 100% of the way you do things when it was just the offense that was miserable could potentially suck.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Yea and Fangio has reportedly said he is out if Gase is the HC.

Not sure I like that since our defense has been so solid the past 4 years with him at the helm. Not to say somebody else couldn't come in and lead that talented unit, but having to change 100% of the way you do things when it was just the offense that was miserable could potentially suck.

I'm not as worried about the defense so long as Tomsula sticks around. Even in the dark Nolan/Singletary years, they were doing good things with the defense with all of the talent that was developing. It was the offense which was piss-poor, and ironically still an issue after three years of Harbugh/Roman.

[Kodos]

Hire Shanahan, and draft Tevin Coleman for the Terrell Davis role.

[RedKingGold]

To add, I think Gase has some experience with the 49ers' coaches from his time with the staff and the scheme used by the 49ers does not differ that significantly from the Broncos. I think both defenses like using the 3-4 emphasizing talent in the safety over cornerback position.

[SteveMax58]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Hire Shanahan, and draft Tevin Coleman for the Terrell Davis role.

Better yet...hire Shanahan as HC, pay Kubiak HC money to be the OC...and have a big 97/98 reunion party to celebrate with TD jumping out of the cake.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

To add, I think Gase has some experience with the 49ers' coaches from his time with the staff and the scheme used by the 49ers does not differ that significantly from the Broncos. I think both defenses like using the 3-4 emphasizing talent in the safety over cornerback position.

Broncos run and have for a longtime a 4-3 .

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Broncos run and have for a longtime a 4-3 .

To be more specific, the Broncos run a hybrid similar to what the 49ers do on defense. Miller and Ware are not traditional 4-3 pass rushers as, say, what the Giants do. Even in the 49ers "3-4", there is really no traditional nose tackle as most other systems.

See: NFL Broncos Rewind: Defense, special teams - ESPN

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

To be more specific, the Broncos run a hybrid similar to what the 49ers do on defense. Miller and Ware are not traditional 4-3 pass rushers as, say, what the Giants do. Even in the 49ers "3-4", there is really no traditional nose tackle as most other systems.

See: NFL Broncos Rewind: Defense, special teams - ESPN

Ah yes good points and accurate.

[MrBug708]

Todd Bowles to the Jets

[Thomkal]

Very sad to see him go and to the Jets-my twin brother's favorite team, of all places. Means I have to start liking the Jets I guess now which will be hard to do after all these years of hatred. Surprised Jets went with a defensive coach here given the putridness of their offense.

I also wonder what went wrong with Marrone-who seemed the heir apparent after leaving the Bills. Looking like an even bigger stupid move on his part if he doesn't get one of the other head coaching jobs.

Todd Bowles to be New York Jets' new head coach - ESPN New York

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

if i remember correctly, the Colts defense played great the 2nd half of that season and the playoffs. a healthy Bob Sanders was the difference for that team, not Manning. they also ran far more than any Manning team ever has

The defense did show up for the playoffs though after a terrible regular season, where they gave up a league worst 5.3 yards per carry. Bob Sanders getting healthy was a big part of that. The Colts ended up holding their first two opponents to 14 combined points while Manning threw 5 picks and the offense didn't even get a TD in the divisional game against Baltimore.

Manning did show up against the Patriots though to win the AFC Championship Game to overcome bad defense.

For the superbowl the Colt's MVP was Bad Rex.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Very sad to see him go and to the Jets-my twin brother's favorite team, of all places. Means I have to start liking the Jets I guess now which will be hard to do after all these years of hatred. Surprised Jets went with a defensive coach here given the putridness of their offense.

I also wonder what went wrong with Marrone-who seemed the heir apparent after leaving the Bills. Looking like an even bigger stupid move on his part if he doesn't get one of the other head coaching jobs.

My guess is the initial buzz came from his link to Casserly, who was acting as an advisor to the Jets in all this. It's possible once Woody actually met him, he overruled it.