Werewolf: Hunt for Necromancers - GAME OVER! Post #3469 - Page 58

Barkeep49 · 06-26-2006, 05:22 PM

So why the run on Schmidty? At least for me it was because I had no feel on him. No feel one way, no feel the other. Now there's some info out there. Others have done a great job of showing some inconsistencies there. Entirely possible that he's doing a fake reveal. But so what? Even if there's a 20% chance that he's telling the truth, and I think it's much higher then that, aren't we better off going for somebody else who is on no one's trust list? Someone like king. Or Chubby.

As for Schmidty's role: I don't think it's nearly as good as he thinks and think that the Necros are far more concerned about finding, say the bodyguard, then the High Priest. That said I don't see anything pointed out that suggests he isn't the role. I put it at 55/45 that he is the High Priest.

That said Schmidty: You brag about how you are a terrible player. I know how much you enjoy playing these things, but really can you be surprised that sometimes the fact that you aren't such a good player is going to come back to bite you? To me that's the beauty of Werewolf is that no matter how you play sometimes it's going to come back to bite you.

So those are my thoughts on Schmidty.

Schmidty · 06-26-2006, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

That said Schmidty: You brag about how you are a terrible player. I know how much you enjoy playing these things, but really can you be surprised that sometimes the fact that you aren't such a good player is going to come back to bite you? To me that's the beauty of Werewolf is that no matter how you play sometimes it's going to come back to bite you.

Thanks for the lecture daddy. I will definitely take it to heart.

Tyrith · 06-26-2006, 05:41 PM

Okay, what I've got on the game right now.

Schmidty isn't a bad lynch because right now we don't have any way of really clearing him and that's the stage of the game we're at right now. The same is true of me, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

Remaining living players:

Anxiety - No way of clearing him and thus has to be a suspect.
Barkeep - I trust that blade scanned him like it seems.
Chubby - No way of clearing him, either, and has acted suspicious at times.
Dubb - Same as barkeep.
King - No way of clearing him either.
Lathum - Probably going to have to be killed later but is no longer our/my primary threat even if I think it'd be kinda cool to kill him just to see what happens.
Path - I don't see a way that he's bad and that we win the game at this point.
Qwikshot - No evidence supporting.
Saldana - His reveal would be an idiot play if he weren't actually dying, so it really doesn't matter either way as long as we don't listen to him too much, but I suspect he's on our side because of the non-contradicted role and how it matches with barkeep's story.
Schmidty - Same here, really, although the role reveal seems pretty reasonable and if it's a lie someone ought to be able to contradict it.
SnDvls - Highest on my trust list atm between blade's probably scan of dubb and my thinking that dubb would give us a good guy to stay alive.
Tanglewood - No evidence here, either.
Tyrith - I am what I am, at this point.
Vince - I trust him a lot right now. I don't see a scenario other than a block last night within the rules.

That leaves us the following group of primary suspects:
Anxiety
Chubby
King
Qwik
Schmidty
Tangle
Me

I'm going to discount myself for the obvious reasons. My gut instinct right now is to definately trust the fouts group more than the lathum group because most of the necros probably already know who the head is and would be trying to two-for-one us in any number of situations. The lathum group was me, path, dubb, king, anxiety, and saldana.

I think we have probably three, slight chance of four necros left in this game, and I'd be pretty surprised if that list doesn't sum them up pretty good.

Alan mentioned something in one of his posts along the lines that there's no way all the new players are bad. Possible tell? Incredibly small but those are the kinds of moves that are usually best for bad guys -- subtle way to sway thinking, unlikely to be caught, possibly true anyway.

The schmidty dogpile stinks to me, as do most dogpiles usually, and he wasn't in the lathum group. While the ironic parts of me wants to vote for Anxiety I think I can actually get people behind the king vote.

VOTE KINGFC22

Barkeep49 · 06-26-2006, 05:41 PM

No problem

Barkeep49 · 06-26-2006, 05:42 PM

DOLA -- That was supposed to quote schmidty's response to me.

Abe Sargent · 06-26-2006, 05:42 PM

Let's look at king. Barkeep mentioned him just now. I have no feel on king at all. Anyone else have ideas on king? I'm not voting for king, I just want to hear from king or about king.

-Anxiety

Abe Sargent · 06-26-2006, 05:43 PM

Heh, look at Tyrith and I going in the exact same direction at the same time, both posting simultaneously

-Anxiety

Barkeep49 · 06-26-2006, 05:44 PM

Well I'd have to do some digging, which I am unable to do for now, but his posts have struck me as generally useful, though nothing in particular of his stands out one way or another. But a good WW player, which king is, certainly works to cultivate that sort of image so I would certainly love to hear what others think, and possibly see what others can find from his posts if I cannot wrangle some free time to do it myself.

Barkeep49 · 06-26-2006, 05:45 PM

DOLA -- Damn what is with me and the quoting? That last post was about king.

path12 · 06-26-2006, 05:46 PM

I don't know 100%, but I'm at least 80% sure Schmidty is good with the ruling class reveal. I know for a fact there is only one ruling class member left.

Chubby · 06-26-2006, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Anxiety

Let's look at king. Barkeep mentioned him just now. I have no feel on king at all. Anyone else have ideas on king? I'm not voting for king, I just want to hear from king or about king.

-Anxiety

I don't have a feel for him, no idea where to place him (he's on my "somewhat trust" list but not up on my "pretty sure he's good" list). There hasn't been anything that's stood out for or against him that I have seen. Who has he voted for?

path12 · 06-26-2006, 05:48 PM

I started to go through Vince's posts but about halfway through I got busy at work, and frankly what I did see wasn't setting off any alarms. I might get a chance to look at King later, but I won't be able to do that before lynch today.

Tyrith · 06-26-2006, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

I don't know 100%, but I'm at least 80% sure Schmidty is good with the ruling class reveal. I know for a fact there is only one ruling class member left.

And the fact that no one else has spoken up against schmidty makes me trust him even more.

Abe Sargent · 06-26-2006, 05:52 PM

Agreed.

Barkeep49 · 06-26-2006, 05:52 PM

Path's reveal intrigues me. We haven't had a necro ruling class yet, have we? If there is 1 of those out there presumably the last one left would be a necro.

Barkeep49 · 06-26-2006, 05:53 PM

Anxiety, Tyrith: What do you mean no one's spoken out for him? What do you call what you're doing?

Abe Sargent · 06-26-2006, 05:53 PM

No, Tyrith said spoken out AGAINST him since teh rr

path12 · 06-26-2006, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Path's reveal intrigues me. We haven't had a necro ruling class yet, have we? If there is 1 of those out there presumably the last one left would be a necro.

Personally I think that once the fanatic died the ruling class breaks down. But that wasn't spelled out or anything, it's just the assumption I made.

What I know is that the ruling class is broken and that there is just one member out there.

dubb93 · 06-26-2006, 05:59 PM

UNVOTE Schmidty

Although to be honest, I'm having a hard time justifing this with the way he's reacted to SNDVLS, the one guy I'm 100% sure is clean.

Tyrith · 06-26-2006, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Anxiety

No, Tyrith said spoken out AGAINST him since teh rr

Yeah, this. Pretty much all the active players have seen the role reveal and none of them came running forward screaming. It would have been funny if they did, especially with path's news now.

hoopsguy · 06-26-2006, 06:01 PM

Here is what I show for votes as of Post #2870:

Schmidty - SnDvls (2788), Lathum (2789), Saldana (2795), King (2797), Chubby (2800)

King - Tyrith (2853)

Not voted: Barkeep, Schmidty, Path, Anxiety, Dubb, Qwikshot, Vince, Tanglewood

Barkeep49 · 06-26-2006, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Personally I think that once the fanatic died the ruling class breaks down. But that wasn't spelled out or anything, it's just the assumption I made.

What I know is that the ruling class is broken and that there is just one member out there.

Ok so the ruling class breaks down. But we don't know, from the dead, who is an original, and who is a replacement. But if there is only 1 member left, and we have yet to have a necro member of the ruling class doesn't that suggest that perhaps Schmidty, if a member of the ruling class, is a necro?

Barkeep49 · 06-26-2006, 06:04 PM

Also both sndvls and dubb have continued to question Schmidty since his reveal. With about half of the remaining players having voted for Schmidty prior to the reveal asking someone NEW to jump on the anti-Schmidty bandwagon isn't as likely, but is still possible.

path12 · 06-26-2006, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Ok so the ruling class breaks down. But we don't know, from the dead, who is an original, and who is a replacement. But if there is only 1 member left, and we have yet to have a necro member of the ruling class doesn't that suggest that perhaps Schmidty, if a member of the ruling class, is a necro?

IIRC, the rules stated that Ruling Class members who died would be replaced up to a certain point. If Swaggs died night 1 and was ruling class that could have passed to Schmidty (it should have passed to someone the way I read the rules). So then there were three again.

Coffee uses his fanatic power to take out ruling class Pass then offs himself afterwards, taking out the remaining ruling class members.

I get a message saying there's just one left. That would jive with the above scenario. I don't see the leap to the new ruling class member being a necro.

path12 · 06-26-2006, 06:10 PM

Dola, it's certainly possible he is bad. I just don't see the connection.

Barkeep49 · 06-26-2006, 06:20 PM

But why assume Schmidty got it from swaggs? Why couldn't he have been an original member and CW or Pass or someone else got passed to it from swaggs? By my rough math, assuming a very conservative 5 starting bad guys, if the ruling class is randomly deteremined there is 33% chance that no one would have been bad on the ruling class. This assumes that there has only been 1 replacement member, for Swaggs.

Barkeep49 · 06-26-2006, 06:21 PM

So 1/3 isn't so bad. So I'm not saying that should indict Schmidty. Just wanted to throw that out there as a possiblity. If path, who has the greatest insight on the rulign class, believes Schmidty's version there I guess I should too. But the story, with the coin, doesn't completely add up, in fairness.

path12 · 06-26-2006, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Ok fine. I'll do a role reveal. Nice job drawing the info out, bad guys.

I'm the High Priest, and the last member of the ruling class (as far as I can tell from my last PM from hoops). Swaggs was in the ruling class, and when he died, he passed me a "coin" that told me that I was now in the class. On night 4, I consecrated Swaggs body to stop the Necromancer from reanimating his body. I'm not sure if it worked, or if Swaggs wasn't the target that night.

I have been playing below the radar because I have an important role, and I tend to piss people off no matter what I say. It had been working great until today. Thanks Barkeep.

Well, that's that. I'm going to die either way - by lynch today, or by the bad guys tonight.

Barkeep, this is where I got that Schmidty claimed to get the coin from Swaggs.

kingfc22 · 06-26-2006, 06:25 PM

Well, there is not much I can say that would make me any more valuable than Schmidty. I was hoping that my rather generic Egyptian role would turn into a ruling class replacement, but it hasn't.

On a side note, I will be going to the doctor tomorrow and won't be around for the deadline.

path12 · 06-26-2006, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

But why assume Schmidty got it from swaggs? Why couldn't he have been an original member and CW or Pass or someone else got passed to it from swaggs? By my rough math, assuming a very conservative 5 starting bad guys, if the ruling class is randomly deteremined there is 33% chance that no one would have been bad on the ruling class. This assumes that there has only been 1 replacement member, for Swaggs.

OK, rereading this I don't think you're questioning that Schmidty claims to get it from Swaggs, but stating that we don't know for sure if he's lying or not.

So, um, never mind.

I'm out for awhile, will be back sometime before lynch and will vote then.

kingfc22 · 06-26-2006, 06:34 PM

Let's take a quick look at what the necros might have left. Right now we have an 11-3 man advantage and 10-3-1 if Lathum has his own agenda as the prophecy.

- If they have 4 left, then they could attempt a double kill each night.
- If they have 3 left, then they could attempt 1 kill.
- If they have 2 left, then they could attempt 1 kill.
- Since the head necro is still out there he can use his disease. I think Blade was killed and saldana is the first victim. That would mean he has one chance left. Of course if he hits a "healthy" Egyptian then that voids his last chance.
- The head necro also can raise a mummy still.

kingfc22 · 06-26-2006, 06:37 PM

dola

And if they have 4 left it is 10-4 or 9-4-1 depending on Lathum.

tanglewood · 06-26-2006, 06:42 PM

How do you know there are 3 Necros still out there?

tanglewood · 06-26-2006, 06:42 PM

dola

Nice save........

tanglewood · 06-26-2006, 06:43 PM

double dola

Ignore all the above, just read the original post again properly. Should learn to do that before commentating more often.....

Tyrith · 06-26-2006, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tanglewood

How do you know there are 3 Necros still out there?

Only having two left is certainly possible, but my gut tells me three right now, and I have some other ideas bouncing around that I don't really want to out at the moment.

tanglewood · 06-26-2006, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

The schmidty dogpile stinks to me, as do most dogpiles usually, and he wasn't in the lathum group.

This was my thought even before the reveal, and now with that reveal, especially since it had been semi-corraborated with path, I don't think Schmidty is where we should be going today.

Tyrith · 06-26-2006, 06:45 PM

If there are only two left and we're planning on three we can just look at it as a fortunate surprise; for today it really doesn't change how we vote.

kingfc22 · 06-26-2006, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tanglewood

double dola

Ignore all the above, just read the original post again properly. Should learn to do that before commentating more often.....

Sorry. I think I just pulled a SnDvls.:o

dubb93 · 06-26-2006, 06:46 PM

About to leave for work so I need to get a vote in. I suppose since no one else has spoken up about Schmidty's role we must believe him. Although I'll be voting elsewhere I'm secretly hoping Schmidty does infact bite his dust for telling Sun he hopes his side loses[which would be the side of the egyptians.]

With that said I won't vote for king. I have no info about him, but I think he's on the up an up. Instead, I'll go back to something I should have done a long time ago.

VOTE CHUBBY

And with that I'm out.

kingfc22 · 06-26-2006, 07:00 PM

I think this is the latest we have gone in a day phase with this many votes still remaining.

Barkeep49 · 06-26-2006, 07:09 PM

Well I'm waiting for Chubby to return before I cast my vote. King anything you can post in your defense?

Chubby · 06-26-2006, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Well I'm waiting for Chubby to return before I cast my vote. King anything you can post in your defense?

I'm back, had to go to the store for drinks.

Here is my reasoning on staying on Schmidty:

He went after SnDvls as dubb mentioned after everything he knows. Now I don;t fully trust dubb either, but I've deemed him better left until later as I don't want to lynch another important egyptian.

as you mentioned, there's nothing procluding the final ruling class member from being a necro. I don't see why that (him claiming ruling class) automatically makes him good. He may end up being good, I don't know for sure but why go after SnDvls after what Dubb has said?

Dubb himself wants Schmidty dead yet votes for me? Why is that? I don't trust the whole dubb/SnDvls thing I'm still willing to put it off since no one else has taken it up.

I am magically attuned. I've learned jack squat from my ability. There's no way I can clear myself with that, I don't have some smoking gun role to claim to try and save myself because frankly there isn't one. Not everyone is going to have juicy roles... sigh...

hoopsguy · 06-26-2006, 07:32 PM

Updated vote count as of Post #2893:

Schmidty - SnDvls (2788), Lathum (2789), Saldana (2795), King (2797), Chubby (2800)

King - Tyrith (2853)

Chubby - Dubb (2890)

Not voted: Barkeep, Schmidty, Path, Anxiety, Qwikshot, Vince, Tanglewood

Schmidty · 06-26-2006, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Although I'll be voting elsewhere I'm secretly hoping Schmidty does infact bite his dust for telling Sun he hopes his side loses[which would be the side of the egyptians.]

Oh come on, I got mad because I was being rudely dismissed by him. It was if he didn't want to listen to my side of things, and that pissed me off a lot.

Everyone gets pissed at certain times in WW, and reacts ways they wish they hadn't.

Barkeep49 · 06-26-2006, 07:36 PM

Well that wasn't the role I was hoping to hear from Chubby. *Sigh*. Time to dig into king's posts.

Schmidty · 06-26-2006, 07:37 PM

In hopes of not dying, I vote:

Vote Chubby

I've said all I can say to try to save myself, and if the majority still aren't listening, even to the Pharaoh, then that's that.

Lathum · 06-26-2006, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Oh come on, I got mad because I was being rudely dismissed by him. It was if he didn't want to listen to my side of things, and that pissed me off a lot.

Everyone gets pissed at certain times in WW, and reacts ways they wish they hadn't.

I've never done that

Schmidty · 06-26-2006, 07:45 PM

What a lame ending. I'm going to die, and no one seems to give a shit, save 4 people or so. Half of you haven't even voted.

Damned garbage.

kingfc22 · 06-26-2006, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

King anything you can post in your defense?

I think I've hinted at my role a couple times now. Don't think we need an outbreak of role reaveals just yet.

06-26-2006, 05:42 PM	#2856
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Let's look at king. Barkeep mentioned him just now. I have no feel on king at all. Anyone else have ideas on king? I'm not voting for king, I just want to hear from king or about king. -Anxiety __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

06-26-2006, 05:43 PM	#2857
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Heh, look at Tyrith and I going in the exact same direction at the same time, both posting simultaneously -Anxiety __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

06-26-2006, 05:46 PM	#2860
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	I don't know 100%, but I'm at least 80% sure Schmidty is good with the ruling class reveal. I know for a fact there is only one ruling class member left. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

06-26-2006, 05:48 PM	#2862
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	I started to go through Vince's posts but about halfway through I got busy at work, and frankly what I did see wasn't setting off any alarms. I might get a chance to look at King later, but I won't be able to do that before lynch today. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

06-26-2006, 05:52 PM	#2864
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Agreed. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

06-26-2006, 05:22 PM	#2851
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	So why the run on Schmidty? At least for me it was because I had no feel on him. No feel one way, no feel the other. Now there's some info out there. Others have done a great job of showing some inconsistencies there. Entirely possible that he's doing a fake reveal. But so what? Even if there's a 20% chance that he's telling the truth, and I think it's much higher then that, aren't we better off going for somebody else who is on no one's trust list? Someone like king. Or Chubby. As for Schmidty's role: I don't think it's nearly as good as he thinks and think that the Necros are far more concerned about finding, say the bodyguard, then the High Priest. That said I don't see anything pointed out that suggests he isn't the role. I put it at 55/45 that he is the High Priest. That said Schmidty: You brag about how you are a terrible player. I know how much you enjoy playing these things, but really can you be surprised that sometimes the fact that you aren't such a good player is going to come back to bite you? To me that's the beauty of Werewolf is that no matter how you play sometimes it's going to come back to bite you. So those are my thoughts on Schmidty.

06-26-2006, 05:41 PM	#2853
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	Okay, what I've got on the game right now. Schmidty isn't a bad lynch because right now we don't have any way of really clearing him and that's the stage of the game we're at right now. The same is true of me, but that's the way the cookie crumbles. Remaining living players: Anxiety - No way of clearing him and thus has to be a suspect. Barkeep - I trust that blade scanned him like it seems. Chubby - No way of clearing him, either, and has acted suspicious at times. Dubb - Same as barkeep. King - No way of clearing him either. Lathum - Probably going to have to be killed later but is no longer our/my primary threat even if I think it'd be kinda cool to kill him just to see what happens. Path - I don't see a way that he's bad and that we win the game at this point. Qwikshot - No evidence supporting. Saldana - His reveal would be an idiot play if he weren't actually dying, so it really doesn't matter either way as long as we don't listen to him too much, but I suspect he's on our side because of the non-contradicted role and how it matches with barkeep's story. Schmidty - Same here, really, although the role reveal seems pretty reasonable and if it's a lie someone ought to be able to contradict it. SnDvls - Highest on my trust list atm between blade's probably scan of dubb and my thinking that dubb would give us a good guy to stay alive. Tanglewood - No evidence here, either. Tyrith - I am what I am, at this point. Vince - I trust him a lot right now. I don't see a scenario other than a block last night within the rules. That leaves us the following group of primary suspects: Anxiety Chubby King Qwik Schmidty Tangle Me I'm going to discount myself for the obvious reasons. My gut instinct right now is to definately trust the fouts group more than the lathum group because most of the necros probably already know who the head is and would be trying to two-for-one us in any number of situations. The lathum group was me, path, dubb, king, anxiety, and saldana. I think we have probably three, slight chance of four necros left in this game, and I'd be pretty surprised if that list doesn't sum them up pretty good. Alan mentioned something in one of his posts along the lines that there's no way all the new players are bad. Possible tell? Incredibly small but those are the kinds of moves that are usually best for bad guys -- subtle way to sway thinking, unlikely to be caught, possibly true anyway. The schmidty dogpile stinks to me, as do most dogpiles usually, and he wasn't in the lathum group. While the ironic parts of me wants to vote for Anxiety I think I can actually get people behind the king vote. VOTE KINGFC22

06-26-2006, 05:41 PM	#2854
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	No problem

06-26-2006, 05:42 PM	#2855
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	DOLA -- That was supposed to quote schmidty's response to me.

06-26-2006, 05:44 PM	#2858
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Well I'd have to do some digging, which I am unable to do for now, but his posts have struck me as generally useful, though nothing in particular of his stands out one way or another. But a good WW player, which king is, certainly works to cultivate that sort of image so I would certainly love to hear what others think, and possibly see what others can find from his posts if I cannot wrangle some free time to do it myself.

06-26-2006, 05:45 PM	#2859
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	DOLA -- Damn what is with me and the quoting? That last post was about king.

06-26-2006, 05:52 PM	#2865
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Path's reveal intrigues me. We haven't had a necro ruling class yet, have we? If there is 1 of those out there presumably the last one left would be a necro.

06-26-2006, 05:53 PM	#2866
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Anxiety, Tyrith: What do you mean no one's spoken out for him? What do you call what you're doing?

06-26-2006, 05:53 PM	#2867
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	No, Tyrith said spoken out AGAINST him since teh rr __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

06-26-2006, 06:01 PM	#2871
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Here is what I show for votes as of Post #2870: Schmidty - SnDvls (2788), Lathum (2789), Saldana (2795), King (2797), Chubby (2800) King - Tyrith (2853) Not voted: Barkeep, Schmidty, Path, Anxiety, Dubb, Qwikshot, Vince, Tanglewood

06-26-2006, 06:04 PM	#2873
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Also both sndvls and dubb have continued to question Schmidty since his reveal. With about half of the remaining players having voted for Schmidty prior to the reveal asking someone NEW to jump on the anti-Schmidty bandwagon isn't as likely, but is still possible.

06-26-2006, 06:10 PM	#2875
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Dola, it's certainly possible he is bad. I just don't see the connection. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

06-26-2006, 06:20 PM	#2876
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	But why assume Schmidty got it from swaggs? Why couldn't he have been an original member and CW or Pass or someone else got passed to it from swaggs? By my rough math, assuming a very conservative 5 starting bad guys, if the ruling class is randomly deteremined there is 33% chance that no one would have been bad on the ruling class. This assumes that there has only been 1 replacement member, for Swaggs.

06-26-2006, 06:21 PM	#2877
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	So 1/3 isn't so bad. So I'm not saying that should indict Schmidty. Just wanted to throw that out there as a possiblity. If path, who has the greatest insight on the rulign class, believes Schmidty's version there I guess I should too. But the story, with the coin, doesn't completely add up, in fairness.

06-26-2006, 06:25 PM	#2879
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Well, there is not much I can say that would make me any more valuable than Schmidty. I was hoping that my rather generic Egyptian role would turn into a ruling class replacement, but it hasn't. On a side note, I will be going to the doctor tomorrow and won't be around for the deadline. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

06-26-2006, 06:34 PM	#2881
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Let's take a quick look at what the necros might have left. Right now we have an 11-3 man advantage and 10-3-1 if Lathum has his own agenda as the prophecy. - If they have 4 left, then they could attempt a double kill each night. - If they have 3 left, then they could attempt 1 kill. - If they have 2 left, then they could attempt 1 kill. - Since the head necro is still out there he can use his disease. I think Blade was killed and saldana is the first victim. That would mean he has one chance left. Of course if he hits a "healthy" Egyptian then that voids his last chance. - The head necro also can raise a mummy still. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

06-26-2006, 06:37 PM	#2882
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	dola And if they have 4 left it is 10-4 or 9-4-1 depending on Lathum. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

06-26-2006, 06:42 PM	#2883
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	How do you know there are 3 Necros still out there?

06-26-2006, 06:42 PM	#2884
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	dola Nice save........

06-26-2006, 06:43 PM	#2885
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	double dola Ignore all the above, just read the original post again properly. Should learn to do that before commentating more often.....

06-26-2006, 06:45 PM	#2888
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	If there are only two left and we're planning on three we can just look at it as a fortunate surprise; for today it really doesn't change how we vote.

06-26-2006, 07:00 PM	#2891
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	I think this is the latest we have gone in a day phase with this many votes still remaining. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

06-26-2006, 07:09 PM	#2892
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Well I'm waiting for Chubby to return before I cast my vote. King anything you can post in your defense?

06-26-2006, 07:32 PM	#2894
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Updated vote count as of Post #2893: Schmidty - SnDvls (2788), Lathum (2789), Saldana (2795), King (2797), Chubby (2800) King - Tyrith (2853) Chubby - Dubb (2890) Not voted: Barkeep, Schmidty, Path, Anxiety, Qwikshot, Vince, Tanglewood

06-26-2006, 07:36 PM	#2896
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Well that wasn't the role I was hoping to hear from Chubby. Sigh. Time to dig into king's posts.

06-26-2006, 07:37 PM	#2897
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	In hopes of not dying, I vote: Vote Chubby I've said all I can say to try to save myself, and if the majority still aren't listening, even to the Pharaoh, then that's that.

06-26-2006, 07:45 PM	#2899
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	What a lame ending. I'm going to die, and no one seems to give a shit, save 4 people or so. Half of you haven't even voted. Damned garbage.

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