What's going on in Thailand and Hungary?

Galaxy · 09-19-2006, 12:11 PM

I saw this morning a military coup is lauched in Thailand, and big riots are occuring in Hungary.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14906669/

What's the problem in Hungary?

kcchief19 · 09-19-2006, 12:26 PM

I haven't been following Thai politics closley enough to know, but it appears the military is apparently trying to overthrow the prime minister and restore the monarchy.

I do like that the news stories are reporting that the army-owned TV station -- and who doesn't like a country where the army owns its own TV network? -- abandoned regular programming and began playing patriotic music. I'd love to see that happen in American politics -- you would the Democrats where trying to sezie power because the liberal bastion CBS interrupts "Two and a Half Men" for a half hour of "God Bless America."

The Hungary situation is just as peculiar -- people are rioting because a tape was leaked to the media that showed the prime minister admitting to lying to the public about the economy. Again, we have a different standard in this country. What do we do with politicians who lie to us? Usually give them an other three or four terms.

Galaxy · 09-19-2006, 12:46 PM

Why monarchy?

WSUCougar · 09-19-2006, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

Again, we have a different standard in this country. What do we do with politicians who lie to us? Usually give them an other three or four terms.

Alright, that's it. I'm gonna go riot this afternoon. Who's with me?

bob · 09-19-2006, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Alright, that's it. I'm gonna go riot this afternoon. Who's with me?

I can't riot this afternoon - watching 2 and a Half Men on Tivo.

rkmsuf · 09-19-2006, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Alright, that's it. I'm gonna go riot this afternoon. Who's with me?

Can we loot? I'm not going if there's no looting.

Bearcat729 · 09-19-2006, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Can we loot? I'm not going if there's no looting.

I thought looting was always part of the rioting package? Rioting just doesn't sound like fun without it.

WSUCougar · 09-19-2006, 01:15 PM

Rioting is more like pumping fists, throwing rocks, burning cars and shit. Looting is more of an after-effect. You looters can't do shit without us rioters to lead the way.

bbor · 09-19-2006, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bob

I can't riot this afternoon - watching 2 and a Half Men on Tivo.

LMAO!!!

WSUCougar · 09-19-2006, 01:19 PM

By the way, I've heard that one riot in Bangkok and the world's your oyster.

rkmsuf · 09-19-2006, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

By the way, I've heard that one riot in Bangkok and the world's your oyster.

One town's very like another
When your head's down over your pieces, brother

scooper · 09-19-2006, 01:33 PM

What's with all the rioting? They only beat the Cincinnati Bearcats. It wasn't a BCS game or anything.

Maple Leafs · 09-19-2006, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Can we loot? I'm not going if there's no looting.

Are you white? If so, sorry, you can only "find".

WSUCougar · 09-19-2006, 01:55 PM

We call it "foraging"

rkmsuf · 09-19-2006, 01:55 PM

borrowing

WVUFAN · 09-19-2006, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

borrowing

Borrowing on a permanent basis.

mrsimperless · 09-19-2006, 02:04 PM

I just got back from Bangkok Friday morning and two of my coworkers are still there right now. I'm scheduled to head back in a couple of weeks (I've spent 90% of my time there this year) but who knows now.

Its still surreal seeing a place you've lived in for the past 11 months on the front page of the news. I'm sure that everything will be fine and my coworkers (not to mention the other thousands of Americans currently in the city) will come home safely.

As far as the situation there goes, many people are upset with the current Thai prime minister. He is accused of abusing his power to help amass billions for his family company and there are numerous other charges of corruption tied to his administration as well. In reality this probably isn't a bad thing to have happen. If one side or the other were to seize power it's probably a good thing that it wasn't his. There have been reported attempts on his life in recent weeks as well as an increased military and police presence throughout the city. I can't say I'm completely surprised at this turn of events. Here's hoping for a peaceful resolution.

bulletsponge · 09-19-2006, 02:22 PM

in a way this just shows a historical fact that has been in place since the begining of time. when in power ALWAYS have the army on your side

Anthony · 09-19-2006, 03:36 PM

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"The armed forces commander and the national police commander have successfully taken over Bangkok and the surrounding area in order to maintain peace and order. There has been no struggle," the coup announcement said, according to The Associated Press. "We ask for the cooperation of the public and ask your pardon for the inconvenience."

well, at least they're being polite about it.

we all know the saying, when the Prime Minister's away, the army will play.

Super Ugly · 09-19-2006, 03:56 PM

They don't need to restore the monarchy - they still have one. I think the army is looking to establish a new government with the King as the head. And the King is revered like nothing you'd believe, apparently. Pretty crazy stuff over there by the looks of things, although the UK foreign office hasn't advised holidaymakers to stay away from the country.

Izulde · 09-19-2006, 04:12 PM

Restore the monarchy! Return the aristocracy!

Greyroofoo · 09-19-2006, 04:15 PM

From what I heard, the current government is horribly corrupt, though that could be a little biased

WSUCougar · 09-19-2006, 04:28 PM

As any good ancient Roman could tell you, "Don't f*ck with the Praetorian Guard."

st.cronin · 09-19-2006, 04:32 PM

Thailand is a strange country, but I don't think anything dramatic will happen. Some politicians will lose their jobs and have to go work in the private sector.

Mustang · 09-19-2006, 04:39 PM

I've seen this play out in Crimson Tide.

I just hope Thailand gets communications up soon..

Galaxy · 09-19-2006, 04:44 PM

So, will it revert to a Monarchy-rule government, or will it just re-form the democratic process?

Galaxy · 09-19-2006, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mrsimperless

I just got back from Bangkok Friday morning and two of my coworkers are still there right now. I'm scheduled to head back in a couple of weeks (I've spent 90% of my time there this year) but who knows now.

Its still surreal seeing a place you've lived in for the past 11 months on the front page of the news. I'm sure that everything will be fine and my coworkers (not to mention the other thousands of Americans currently in the city) will come home safely.

As far as the situation there goes, many people are upset with the current Thai prime minister. He is accused of abusing his power to help amass billions for his family company and there are numerous other charges of corruption tied to his administration as well. In reality this probably isn't a bad thing to have happen. If one side or the other were to seize power it's probably a good thing that it wasn't his. There have been reported attempts on his life in recent weeks as well as an increased military and police presence throughout the city. I can't say I'm completely surprised at this turn of events. Here's hoping for a peaceful resolution.

What do you do?

mrsimperless · 09-19-2006, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Super Ugly

They don't need to restore the monarchy - they still have one. I think the army is looking to establish a new government with the King as the head. And the King is revered like nothing you'd believe, apparently. Pretty crazy stuff over there by the looks of things, although the UK foreign office hasn't advised holidaymakers to stay away from the country.

The King IS revered and you likely WOULDNT believe it. Its like nothing I've ever seen. His 60th anniversary of being in power was this year (or was it 75th? doh!) and that place has been a zoo. At the ginormous bank where I work EVERY single person now wears a yellow shirt every single Monday to honor the king. Of COURSE the army is backing the King. It would be suicide if they didn't.

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What do you do?

I'm a software engineer for a software company who has a contract with a large Thai bank. Been over there implementing our software solution. You can think of me as Jim Gindin with a much smaller sack.

mrsimperless · 09-19-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

So, will it revert to a Monarchy-rule government, or will it just re-form the democratic process?

Even if it were to revert back to a true monarchy I don't see that lasting. I'm pretty sure that the King wants a democratic government and would re-implement some form of democratic control. However, if he ever wanted to be supreme ruler again I'm sure there would be little resistance from the populace.

Galaxy · 09-19-2006, 05:57 PM

So, how is the PM going to return home?

Galaxy · 09-19-2006, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mrsimperless

Even if it were to revert back to a true monarchy I don't see that lasting. I'm pretty sure that the King wants a democratic government and would re-implement some form of democratic control. However, if he ever wanted to be supreme ruler again I'm sure there would be little resistance from the populace.

Ah, so how would this happen?

Edward64 · 09-19-2006, 11:09 PM

I emailed a friend (Thai) and he is okay with the coup.

There's been many coup d'etats in Thailand, most of them have been relatively bloodless, always have avoided messing around with the (very popular) monarchy.

I think its their way to changing government. I'm not sure why elections don't seem to work.

Galaxy · 09-19-2006, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64

I think its their way to changing government. I'm not sure why elections don't seem to work.

If I'm not mistaken, I believe the lastest one early this year was pretty debatable, and a second one proposed was ruled illegal. Also, I believe the PM (who ironic, is the same man who did or was looking at the Liverpool FC in England for sale) sold his family company for aroud $2 Billion and didn't pay taxes (as well as selling an asset that is valuable to the Thai culture to Singapore investors).

aran · 09-19-2006, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

By the way, I've heard that one riot in Bangkok and the world's your oyster soup kitchen floor wax museum.

Bangkrimson.

Groundhog · 09-19-2006, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mrsimperless

The King IS revered and you likely WOULDNT believe it. Its like nothing I've ever seen. His 60th anniversary of being in power was this year (or was it 75th? doh!) and that place has been a zoo. At the ginormous bank where I work EVERY single person now wears a yellow shirt every single Monday to honor the king. Of COURSE the army is backing the King. It would be suicide if they didn't.

Yup. A friend of mine works in Thailand a lot, and one of his co-workers who had been in the country less than 24 hours made a joke about the King in public. They were very nearly in a whole heap of trouble, and were saved by some quick talking by a Thai friend.

daedalus · 09-20-2006, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

Yup. A friend of mine works in Thailand a lot, and one of his co-workers who had been in the country less than 24 hours made a joke about the King in public. They were very nearly in a whole heap of trouble, and were saved by some quick talking by a Thai friend.

Bad, bad, VERY bad idea (to have joked about the royal family, let alone The King).

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Originally Posted by Edward64

I emailed a friend (Thai) and he is okay with the coup.

There's been many coup d'etats in Thailand, most of them have been relatively bloodless, always have avoided messing around with the (very popular) monarchy.

I think its their way to changing government. I'm not sure why elections don't seem to work.

It's not their way of "changing government". Those barbarians do hold actual elections (Hell, they even have indoor plumbing nowadays or something). It occurs when there's sufficient sentiments against the current administration and some feels there is a need for a change. It's not that rare, I suppose, and are rarely ever bloody. Still a scary idea for families of those executing the coup.

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Originally Posted by mrsimperless

Even if it were to revert back to a true monarchy I don't see that lasting. I'm pretty sure that the King wants a democratic government and would re-implement some form of democratic control. However, if he ever wanted to be supreme ruler again I'm sure there would be little resistance from the populace.

I agree. I don't think The Royal Family, especially The King, wants to go back to a Monarchy.

Galaxy · 09-21-2006, 12:52 AM

Sounds like it's over... Wonder what the outted PM will do, and if they will try to go after any of his assets?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapc...thailand.coup/

09-19-2006, 01:15 PM	#8
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	Rioting is more like pumping fists, throwing rocks, burning cars and shit. Looting is more of an after-effect. You looters can't do shit without us rioters to lead the way. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

09-19-2006, 01:19 PM	#10
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	By the way, I've heard that one riot in Bangkok and the world's your oyster. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

09-19-2006, 01:55 PM	#14
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	We call it "foraging" __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

09-19-2006, 01:55 PM	#15
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	borrowing __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

09-19-2006, 02:04 PM	#17
mrsimperless College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2003	I just got back from Bangkok Friday morning and two of my coworkers are still there right now. I'm scheduled to head back in a couple of weeks (I've spent 90% of my time there this year) but who knows now. Its still surreal seeing a place you've lived in for the past 11 months on the front page of the news. I'm sure that everything will be fine and my coworkers (not to mention the other thousands of Americans currently in the city) will come home safely. As far as the situation there goes, many people are upset with the current Thai prime minister. He is accused of abusing his power to help amass billions for his family company and there are numerous other charges of corruption tied to his administration as well. In reality this probably isn't a bad thing to have happen. If one side or the other were to seize power it's probably a good thing that it wasn't his. There have been reported attempts on his life in recent weeks as well as an increased military and police presence throughout the city. I can't say I'm completely surprised at this turn of events. Here's hoping for a peaceful resolution. __________________ "All I know is that smart women are hot. Susan Polgar beat me in 24 moves in a simultaneous exhbition. I slept with the scoresheet under my pillow." Off some dude's web site.

09-19-2006, 12:26 PM	#2
kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	I haven't been following Thai politics closley enough to know, but it appears the military is apparently trying to overthrow the prime minister and restore the monarchy. I do like that the news stories are reporting that the army-owned TV station -- and who doesn't like a country where the army owns its own TV network? -- abandoned regular programming and began playing patriotic music. I'd love to see that happen in American politics -- you would the Democrats where trying to sezie power because the liberal bastion CBS interrupts "Two and a Half Men" for a half hour of "God Bless America." The Hungary situation is just as peculiar -- people are rioting because a tape was leaked to the media that showed the prime minister admitting to lying to the public about the economy. Again, we have a different standard in this country. What do we do with politicians who lie to us? Usually give them an other three or four terms.

09-19-2006, 12:46 PM	#3
Galaxy Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2005	Why monarchy?

09-19-2006, 01:33 PM	#12
scooper College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cinn City	What's with all the rioting? They only beat the Cincinnati Bearcats. It wasn't a BCS game or anything.

09-19-2006, 02:22 PM	#18
bulletsponge Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TX	in a way this just shows a historical fact that has been in place since the begining of time. when in power ALWAYS have the army on your side

09-19-2006, 03:56 PM	#20
Super Ugly High School JV Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Look behind you	They don't need to restore the monarchy - they still have one. I think the army is looking to establish a new government with the King as the head. And the King is revered like nothing you'd believe, apparently. Pretty crazy stuff over there by the looks of things, although the UK foreign office hasn't advised holidaymakers to stay away from the country. Last edited by Super Ugly : 09-19-2006 at 04:01 PM.

09-19-2006, 04:12 PM	#21
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	Restore the monarchy! Return the aristocracy! __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

09-19-2006, 04:15 PM	#22
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	From what I heard, the current government is horribly corrupt, though that could be a little biased

09-19-2006, 04:28 PM	#23
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	As any good ancient Roman could tell you, "Don't f*ck with the Praetorian Guard." __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

09-19-2006, 04:32 PM	#24
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Thailand is a strange country, but I don't think anything dramatic will happen. Some politicians will lose their jobs and have to go work in the private sector. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

09-19-2006, 04:39 PM	#25
Mustang Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wisconsin	I've seen this play out in Crimson Tide. I just hope Thailand gets communications up soon.. __________________ You, you will regret what you have done this day. I will make you regret ever being born. Your going to wish you never left your mothers womb, where it was warm and safe... and wet. i am going to show you pain you never knew existed, you are going to see a whole new spectrum of pain, like a Rainboooow. But! This rainbow is not just like any other rainbow, its...

09-19-2006, 04:44 PM	#26
Galaxy Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2005	So, will it revert to a Monarchy-rule government, or will it just re-form the democratic process?

09-19-2006, 05:57 PM	#30
Galaxy Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2005	So, how is the PM going to return home?

09-19-2006, 11:09 PM	#32
Edward64 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2005	I emailed a friend (Thai) and he is okay with the coup. There's been many coup d'etats in Thailand, most of them have been relatively bloodless, always have avoided messing around with the (very popular) monarchy. I think its their way to changing government. I'm not sure why elections don't seem to work.

09-21-2006, 12:52 AM	#37
Galaxy Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2005	Sounds like it's over... Wonder what the outted PM will do, and if they will try to go after any of his assets? http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapc...thailand.coup/

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