WW CLVII - Ghostbusters - Game Over (result in post 1521)

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by murrayyyyy

I now suspect everyone who has been quiet. I'm starting to believe it's been nothing but villagers talking.

Barring someone coming out with a "I defended an attack with proton pack" defense - which I think would likely have been written up differently by JAG - I'm going to believe the wolves brought someone into the fold last night.

[Danny]

I dont really see Mau playing the way he has with all villagers on the block. I actually am starting to think we have had all villagers up for lynch for the most part. Also its noted that Coffee and Hoops voted Packer (and I did early in the day) and there was no support there.

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by mauchow

I'm not going to leave my vote on Lathum and make it worthless. If I hit a wolf I look good if I hit a villager... well, I look bad, I guess but I am still not going to make my vote not count.

I'm in that same boat, I didn't beat you by that much. Like I said, it's been too quiet and I think we've had nothing but villagers pointing fingers at each other.

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Barring someone coming out with a "I defended an attack with proton pack" defense - which I think would likely have been written up differently by JAG - I'm going to believe the wolves brought someone into the fold last night.

I don't even see a BG role in there, however, it is listed that there may be a role in the game not listed.

With that being said, I think I read something about the papparazzi!

[Danny]

Alright, so guys I am leaning toward not thinking are wolves, Hoops, Lathum, Mauchow and Murrayyy.

[murrayyyyy]

Plus you've been on the dead guy late 2 days in a row Mau. Like I said, I'm all ears now and willing to listen to theories. I don't see anything out there but silence.

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by murrayyyyy

Plus you've been on the dead guy late 2 days in a row Mau. Like I said, I'm all ears now and willing to listen to theories. I don't see anything out there but silence.

Quoting myself. I don't think you would do this as a wolf.

[hoopsguy]

Well, I'm hoping Narcizo (or someone else) will revisit the D1 votes to fill in our new info. Lathum and Mauchow are the remaining players there.

But I agree we've got a reasonable chance of all villagers there - somewhere between 40-60% based on my earlier math. And likely higher now that we've shown two of them to be villagers.

Hmm, lets break it down. The two already lynched and good no longer factor in, nor do the dead guy or me (believe this last point at your own risk, I suppose):
Two villagers, assuming two wolves = 11/13 * 10/12 = 110/156 = 70.5%
Two villagers, assuming three wolves = 10/13 * 9/12 = 90/156 = 57.6%

I recognize the game isn't straight math, but if this was a math exercise we've got about a 10-15% better chance now of D1 being all villagers than we did when analyzing in a vacuum.

[mauchow]

I'm hitting the sack. Gotta be sharp for my interview tomorrow (I am doing the interviewing.. gotta hire somebody. Position has been open for two months and I've had one person that has met enough of the qualifications to get a phone interview with me).

[hoopsguy]

I have to exercise a little bit of caution with trust lists, since I know a roled villager at this point and don't want to tip it off too much.

That said, I'll suggest that the people I wouldn't look to hard at today barring a revealed seer scan would be the same four Danny listed.

[fontisian]

Day 1
8 DaddyTorgo - Narcizo (57), hoopsguy (95), mauchow (182), Danny (187), Lathum (189), Coffee Warlord (208), Zinto (241), Chubby (265)
5 Lathum - Autumn (68), fontisian (129), bhlloy (139), britrock88 (232), DaddyTorgo (233)
2 Coffee Warlord - murra5y (82), PackerFanatic (161)
1 mauchow - Passacaglia (114)

No Vote: Katylied

Day 2
Coffee Warlord 7 - Passacaglia (465), PackerFanatic (496), bhlloy (528), hoopsguy (590), murra5y (612), mauchow (626), Lathum (647)
hoopsguy 6 - fontisian (481), Autumn (504), Danny (505), Zinto (523), Chubby (575), Coffee Warlord (629)
Lathum 1 - KatyLied (518)
murra5y 1 - Narcizo (441)

Just looking at this, bholly, mauchow, Packer and Danny look pretty bad. It's interesting to note that Chubby is right after Zinto on both nights, at the end of the lynches.

[KatyLied]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

I think we might want to take a look at KatyLied tomorrow... there's being inactive and then there's two posts in two days. I can see an inexperienced wolf being so scared to say anything stupid that they just check in to vote and hope everyone forgets about them.

Feel free to look, nothing to see here. I'm inexperienced but innocent as well. Liars tend to talk too much rather than too little.

[Danny]

bhlloy is another good one to take a look at.

[murrayyyyy]

Well since the East coast wakes up before me on the day off tomorrow...

vote Zinto

I was going to ask Danny why he jumped off looking at Zinto. Been looking at the votes before Font posted them.

[fontisian]

I can only see two reasons that there wasn't a night kill today. 1.The ghosts choose to give up their kill in order to do something else or 2. The ghosts hit a ghostbuster.

If the second one is the case, I suggest that the ghostbuster comes forward so we can clear them, as the ghosts already know who they are. I could be missing something, though.

[hoopsguy]

If you work with the 9 names still alive and not on Danny's list, and we have 3 ghosts + cultist in that mix (I know, lots of assumptions and not sure I believe them all) then we are starting to tilt into the territory where we should luck into good decisions eventually

Just need to desperately avoid another conversion, assuming that first one happened tonight. If it did, then the wolves will likely have greater insight into how the Gatekeeper/Keymaster stuff works than they did a few hours ago.

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by fontisian

I can only see two reasons that there wasn't a night kill today. 1.The ghosts choose to give up their kill in order to do something else or 2. The ghosts hit a ghostbuster.

If the second one is the case, I suggest that the ghostbuster comes forward so we can clear them, as the ghosts already know who they are. I could be missing something, though.

Since I'm not sure how it works, what if the conversion happens in a night kill for the ghosts. Let's say they turned in a night kill and it was the gate keeper. Then maybe there is no night kill and they are converted to a wolf instead. It may not be a choice, it may be that they picked one of the two people and converted them instead of a kill.

[Narcizo]

Not going to be around much. I'm coming down with man-flu and have the kids to look after today. If a ghostbuster blocked a kill they might as well come out with it. I don't think they did so you've got to figure a conversion and us in deep trouble. Luckily I doubt the anyone has a shining voting record so we don't have to worry about that misleading us.

Hoops reveal fits in with the weird stuff he's been posting so I buy it for now.

[Narcizo]

Day One

20:43 #46 Lathum votes Autumn (1)
20:51 #49 Coffee votes Danny (1)
02:35 #57 Narcizo votes DaddyTorgo (1)
09:30 #68 Autumn votes Lathum (1)
09:43 #69 Britrock votes Chubby (1)

11:05 #75 Packer votes Autumn (2)
11:15 #76 Bhlloy votes Packer (1)
11:43 #82 murrayyyyy votes Coffee (1)
12:34 #85 mauchow votes Danny (2)
12:47 #89 Danny votes Lathum (2)

13:09 #91 Coffee unvotes Danny (1)
13:34 #95 Hoops votes DaddyTorgo (2)
14:13 #99 Coffee votes Packers (2)
14:32 #108 Chubby votes Mau (1)
15:54 #114 Pass votes Mau (2)
15:58 #119 Coffee unvotes Packers (1)
15:58 #119 Coffee votes DaddyTorgo (3)
15:59 #120 mau unvotes Danny (0)

16:07 #127 Mau votes Coffee (2)
16:15 #129 fontisian votes Lathum (3)
17:18 #134 britrock unvotes Chubby (0)
17:18 #134 britrock votes Coffee (3)
17:24 #137 Lathum unvotes Autumn (1)
17:24 #137 Lathum votes mau (3)
17:46 #139 Bhlloy unvotes Packers (0)
17:46 #139 Bhlloy votes Lathum (4)
17:53 #140 Lathum unvotes Mau (2)
17:53 #140 Lathum votes Coffee (4)

18:04 #146 Coffee unvotes DaddyTorgo (2)
18:04 #146 Coffee votes mau (3)
18:31 #150 Lathum unvotes Coffee (3)
18:31 #150 Lathum votes mau (4)
18:53 #160 Packer unvotes Autumn (0)
18:53 #161 Packers votes Coffee (4)
19:22 #171 Zinto votes Lathum (5)
19:58 #182 Mau unvotes Coffee (3)
19:58 #182 Mau votes DaddyTorgo (3)

20:00 #187 Danny unvotes Lathum (4)
20:00 #187 Danny votes DaddyTorgo (4)
20:02 #189 Lathum unvotes Mau (3)
20:02 #189 Lathum votes DaddyTorgo (5)
20:05 #199 DaddyTorgo votes Lathum (5)
20:28 #208 Coffee unvotes mau (2)
20:28 #208 Coffee votes DaddyTorgo (6)
20:29 #210 Daddy unvotes Lathum (4)
20:29 #210 Daddy votes Coffee (4)

20:50 #232 Brit unvotes Coffee (3)
20:50 #232 Brit votes Lathum (5)
20:50 #233 Daddy unvotes Coffee (2)
20:50 #233 Daddy votes Lathum (6)
20:53 #241 Zinto unvotes Lathum (5)
20:53 #241 Zinto votes Daddy (7)
20:57 #265 Chubby unvotes mau (1)
20:57 #265 Chubby votes Daddy (8)

Day One Tally:

8 DaddyTorgo - Narcizo (57), hoopsguy (95), mauchow (182), Danny (187), Lathum (189), Coffee Warlord (208), Zinto (241), Chubby (265)
5 Lathum - Autumn (68), fontisian (129), bhlloy (139), britrock88 (232), DaddyTorgo (233)
2 Coffee Warlord - murra5y (82), PackerFanatic (161)
1 mauchow - Passacaglia (114)

No Vote: Katylied

[Narcizo]

Someone else is going to have to do day two or I'll see if I can do it later.

I quite like the idea of repaying bhlloy a visit but could be down with Packer or mau. Has anyone written why they trust mau more (ah-ha) - I'm having a hard time keeping track.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by fontisian

Day 1
8 DaddyTorgo - Narcizo (57), hoopsguy (95), mauchow (182), Danny (187), Lathum (189), Coffee Warlord (208), Zinto (241), Chubby (265)
5 Lathum - Autumn (68), fontisian (129), bhlloy (139), britrock88 (232), DaddyTorgo (233)
2 Coffee Warlord - murra5y (82), PackerFanatic (161)
1 mauchow - Passacaglia (114)

No Vote: Katylied

Day 2
Coffee Warlord 7 - Passacaglia (465), PackerFanatic (496), bhlloy (528), hoopsguy (590), murra5y (612), mauchow (626), Lathum (647)
hoopsguy 6 - fontisian (481), Autumn (504), Danny (505), Zinto (523), Chubby (575), Coffee Warlord (629)
Lathum 1 - KatyLied (518)
murra5y 1 - Narcizo (441)

Just looking at this, bholly, mauchow, Packer and Danny look pretty bad. It's interesting to note that Chubby is right after Zinto on both nights, at the end of the lynches.

Thanks for doing this list.

Why is Murray5y in yellow?

[fontisian]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Thanks for doing this list.

Why is Murray5y in yellow?

I think he's probably town, along with hoops.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by KatyLied

Liars tend to talk too much rather than too little.

My experience in werewolf suggests the opposite is true. People don't want to give anything away as a wolf so it is easier to stay quiet. Especially in a game like this where it appears we have been chasing our own tails.

[mauchow]

I'd be game with going lathum again..I also could see with going packer.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by mauchow

I'd be game with going lathum again..I also could see with going packer.

What exactly is the case for me, aside from the fact I was on the block N1.

Obviously I know I am a villager, now we know DT was a villager as well. Logic dictates the wolves split up their D1 votes. I am going to be looking at one of the 3 remaining D1 voters on me.

I also think some of the quieter people need to speak up today.

[Narcizo]

Day Two

21:36 #326 Lathum votes Autumn (1)
21:47 #329 murra5y votes Lathum (1)
22:31 #337 bhlloy votes Lathum (2)
07:30 #356 Chubby votes Coffee (1)
07:54 #360 Coffee votes Bhlloy (1)
08:04 #363 Narcizo votes Bhlloy (2)
09:45 #378 Autumn votes Passacaglia (1)
10:02 #382 Passacaglia votes Katylied (1)

10:41 #386 Bhlloy unvotes Lathum (1)
10:41 #386 Bhlloy votes Mau (1)
12:07 #390 Mau votes Coffee (2)
12:30 #396 Passacaglia unvotes Katylied (0)
13:15 #401 Danny votes Coffee (3)
13:22 #404 murra5y unvotes Lathum (0)
13:22 #404 murra5y votes Coffee (4)
13:30 #408 Packer votes Coffee (5)

13:47 #416 Passacaglia votes mau (2)
14:00 #423 Mau unvotes Coffee (4)
14:00 #423 Mau votes Lathum (1)
14:17 #429 Danny unvotes Coffee (3)
14:17 #429 Danny votes Packer (1)
14:23 #431 Coffee unvotes bhlloy (1)
14:23 #431 Coffee votes murra5y (1)
14:30 #434 Packer unvotes Coffee (2)
14:46 #441 Narcizo unvotes bhlloy (0)
14:46 #441 Narcizo votes murra5y (2)
14:55 #445 murra5y unvotes Coffee (1)
14:55 #445 murra5y votes Lathum (2)

15:10 #447 Packer votes Autumn (2)
15:32 #452 Autumn unvotes Passa (0)
15:32 #452 Autumn votes Mau (3)
15:58 #465 Passa unvotes Mau (2)
15:58 #465 Passa votes Coffee (2)
16:44 #481 fontisian votes Hoops (1)
16:54 #487 Danny unvotes Packer (0)
16:54 #487 Danny votes Coffee (3)
17:23 #496 Packer votes Coffee (4)

17:55 #504 Autumn unvotes Mau (1)
17:55 #504 Autumn votes Hoops (2)
17:58 #505 Danny unvotes Coffee (3)
17:58 #505 Danny votes Hoops (3)
18:43 #518 Katylied votes Lathum (3)
18:51 #523 Zinto votes Hoops (4)
19:26 #528 bhlloy unvotes mau (0)
19:26 #528 bhlloy votes Coffee (4)
19:33 #529 Lathum unvotes Autumn (0)
19:48 #534 Lathum votes Coffee (5)

20:06 #556 Coffee unvotes murra5y (1)
20:06 #556 Coffee votes Packers (1)
20:09 #561 Hoops votes Packers (2)
20:09 #562 Lathum unvotes Coffee (4)
20:09 #562 Lathum votes Packers (3)
20:30 #575 Chubby unvotes Coffee (3)
20:30 #575 Chubby votes Hoops (5)
20:38 #590 Hoops unvotes Packers (2)
20:38 #590 Hoops votes Coffee (4)
20:44 #600 Coffee unvotes Packers (1)
20:44 #600 Coffee votes Lathum (4)
20:47 #604 Lathum unvotes Packers (0)
20:47 #604 Lathum votes Coffee (5)

20:48 #610 Lathum unvotes Coffee (4)
20:48 #610 Lathum votes Hoops (6)
20:49 #612 murra5y unvotes Lathum (3)
20:49 #612 murra5y votes Coffee (5)
20:53 #626 mauchow unvotes Lathum (2)
20:53 #626 mauchow votes Coffee (6)
20:54 #629 Coffee unvotes Lathum (1)
20:54 #629 Coffee votes Hoops (7)
20:59 #647 Lathum unvotes Hoops (6)
20:59 #647 Lathum votes Coffee (7)


Day Two tally:

Coffee Warlord 7 - Passacaglia (465), PackerFanatic (496), bhlloy (528), hoopsguy (590), murra5y (612), mauchow (626), Lathum (647)
hoopsguy 6 - fontisian (481), Autumn (504), Danny (505), Zinto (523), Chubby (575), Coffee Warlord (629)
Lathum 1 - KatyLied (518)
murra5y 1 - Narcizo (441)

[hoopsguy]

Some thoughts overnight:
- not sure if the wolves are hunting for roles or converts. I think you can make a case for either one.
- if it is the latter, those claiming "vanilla villager" could be inadvertently lining themselves up for a conversion shot.
- if there were concerns last night about a potential developing CoT, then murra5y and Lathum (to a lesser extent) made appealing candidates to take out of the game, or convert

Bottom line, for me anyway, is that I don't feel as good about murra5y and Lathum now as I did when I went to bed last night. I don't mean this as an attempt to seed discord in our ranks, but more as a reminder that we're going to need to be pretty aware of layers of trust in a game featuring multiple conversions.

And while I know it fits the theme, I generally hate conversions in werewolf. Two games in a row with multiple conversions (potentially)? Bah!

[Narcizo]

Voting yesterday looks bad for Chubby if Packer is a wolf. His switch off of Packer to Hoops went a long way to making it a two-horse race with Coffee and Hoops, stealing all the momentum that Hoops and Coffee had got going on Packer. But is there actually any case against Packers?

I question Bhlloy's voting yesterday as well. At the start of the day he was Lathum or Mau but when he switches away from mau because he has no votes he picks Coffee instead of Lathum, when both are on three votes. That puzzles me. As I think Lathum is villager I don't see it as being a wolf-move per sé. But it suggests that he wasn't really all that sold on Lathum from the outset, in which case why did he come out so strongly?

I'm not liking Passacaglia's game up to this point either. He seems to be sliding through. Admittedly that's not normally his game whether he's wolf or villager but I don't like it.

[Narcizo]

Vote Bhlloy

Three known non-wolves (to me anyway, assuming hoops isn't pulling the wool over I eyes) had doubts about him yesterday. That'll do for me for the time being.

[Narcizo]

I doubt the wolves line up Lathum for a night kill Hoops - if he's plain vanilla they clear up a lot of questions about day one. Better to leave him as a question mark. For the same reason I don't think we should look at mau or Packer as a conversion-candidate (although they could well be wolves).

murrayyyyy could be a decent shout for a conversion - you were pretty convincing in your reasoning of him being vanilla. I don't think it's worth chasing at this stage though.

[Autumn]

Catching up. Sorry guys, as I said I was able to look for the results last night on my iPad, but can't stand trying to post on that thing, and then fell asleep.

[hoopsguy]

Nah, I don't want to chase the convert today. Just reminding people that trust is particularly nebulous in games featuring conversions.

Looking to gauge reactions - levels of trust for Autumn vs Danny at this stage in the game? I'm pretty surprised that both of them put vibe votes on me and left them there for the duration. Normally I would expect more of a give-and-take conversation after getting those votes, but that was pretty absent down the stretch yesterday.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by murrayyyyy

Since I'm not sure how it works, what if the conversion happens in a night kill for the ghosts. Let's say they turned in a night kill and it was the gate keeper. Then maybe there is no night kill and they are converted to a wolf instead. It may not be a choice, it may be that they picked one of the two people and converted them instead of a kill.

I think this is 99.9%likely to be the case. I would be surprised if it worked any other way. I think the wolves hit a convert last night, we have to assume, and it would be useful to try to think about who they might have targeted last night. I don't think they would target Lathum, so he seems safe to not be a convert, at least. They would not have targeted Hoops either, so I tend to believe his reveal. First night it seemed they went off the reservation a bit with their pick, so they might have done the same N2.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Nah, I don't want to chase the convert today. Just reminding people that trust is particularly nebulous in games featuring conversions.

Looking to gauge reactions - levels of trust for Autumn vs Danny at this stage in the game? I'm pretty surprised that both of them put vibe votes on me and left them there for the duration. Normally I would expect more of a give-and-take conversation after getting those votes, but that was pretty absent down the stretch yesterday.

Autumn has pinged me all game for the way he is voting, but I am always guilty of getting tunnle vision on a certain player, doesn't mean I won't vote him, but I am at least trying to keep an open mind.

Can't get a read on Danny either way.

Originally Posted by Autumn

I think this is 99.9%likely to be the case. I would be surprised if it worked any other way. I think the wolves hit a convert last night, we have to assume, and it would be useful to try to think about who they might have targeted last night. I don't think they would target Lathum, so he seems safe to not be a convert, at least. They would not have targeted Hoops either, so I tend to believe his reveal. First night it seemed they went off the reservation a bit with their pick, so they might have done the same N2.

As others have mentioned I think Murray5Y is a likely conversion target given Hoops' reasoning

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Nah, I don't want to chase the convert today. Just reminding people that trust is particularly nebulous in games featuring conversions.

Looking to gauge reactions - levels of trust for Autumn vs Danny at this stage in the game? I'm pretty surprised that both of them put vibe votes on me and left them there for the duration. Normally I would expect more of a give-and-take conversation after getting those votes, but that was pretty absent down the stretch yesterday.

Yeah, I wasn't really around to discuss it, but also didn't have much to say. It was a vibe vote, yeah, but the strongest thing I had. And it wasn't like there was anything you could say to talk me out of it. I actually figured, either I"m right and we might catch a wolf, or Hoops will at least get a lot of votes and the wolves will leave him around longer ;-)

Danny I feel okay about -- I didn't feel like as a wolf he would have put that comment out about you, Hoops. Might be wrong, but I think he was thinking like a villager.

[hoopsguy]

"off the reservation a bit" - well, I know I have not been a night kill so far. Nor has Narcizo, Danny, Autumn, Lathum ... that to me suggest high-profile wolf who doesn't want to draw attention to himself in the mid-game with the "why is X still alive" without being able to point to players Y and Z also being around.

Certainly doesn't mean that we have to go targeting those players today, but it is quite a bit different than the wolf tactics last game where CR was N1 kill, I was N2 kill, and known cultist Danny was left around by JAGs team of wolves.

[Autumn]

I've got a few guys I'd be willing to entertain today. I called out Pass with my early vote yesterday and he promptly stuck himself on CW. That still makes me wonder. Katylied ended up nowhere useful last night. Narcizo is hard because he always ends up stranded due to time schedule. But for now I'm going to back up PF as the one that has the most things making me wonder about him.

VOTE PACKERFANATIC

[PackerFanatic]

I am not expecting to be around much today (darn having to actually work at work...) but I definitely think there are others who have "buried" their votes as much as me that deserve consideration as well (bhlloy and Autumn come to mind right away).

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

"off the reservation a bit" - well, I know I have not been a night kill so far. Nor has Narcizo, Danny, Autumn, Lathum ... that to me suggest high-profile wolf who doesn't want to draw attention to himself in the mid-game with the "why is X still alive" without being able to point to players Y and Z also being around.

Certainly doesn't mean that we have to go targeting those players today, but it is quite a bit different than the wolf tactics last game where CR was N1 kill, I was N2 kill, and known cultist Danny was left around by JAGs team of wolves.

Or a team of newer players who don't share our thoughts about kill order.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Some thoughts overnight:
- not sure if the wolves are hunting for roles or converts. I think you can make a case for either one.
- if it is the latter, those claiming "vanilla villager" could be inadvertently lining themselves up for a conversion shot.

This is a good point. I had said earlier to murray that wolves would be hunting roles, but yo'ure exactly right that in this game they may be more interested in hunting non-roles.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

I am not expecting to be around much today (darn having to actually work at work...) but I definitely think there are others who have "buried" their votes as much as me that deserve consideration as well (bhlloy and Autumn come to mind right away).

Still mad, bro?

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Autumn has pinged me all game for the way he is voting, but I am always guilty of getting tunnle vision on a certain player, doesn't mean I won't vote him, but I am at least trying to keep an open mind.

Let's be honest, whenever I vote you I "ping you for the way I'm voting". ;-) That's why I used to never vote you even though you were always a wolf!

[Narcizo]

I trust Danny more than Autumn at the moment.

How do you know that Danny, Autumn or I weren't targeted last night? I mean I know I wasn't. I guess that if the wolves targeted vets with their kills it would be relatively easy to deduce who a conversion is. With Brit taken out that's pretty much opened the field.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

I trust Danny more than Autumn at the moment.

How do you know that Danny, Autumn or I weren't targeted last night? I mean I know I wasn't. I guess that if the wolves targeted vets with their kills it would be relatively easy to deduce who a conversion is. With Brit taken out that's pretty much opened the field.

Well, if one of you wants to suggest that you were targeted last night I'll gladly re-evaluate this theory

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

I trust Danny more than Autumn at the moment.

How do you know that Danny, Autumn or I weren't targeted last night? I mean I know I wasn't. I guess that if the wolves targeted vets with their kills it would be relatively easy to deduce who a conversion is. With Brit taken out that's pretty much opened the field.

I'm not suggesting we weren't targeted. I think the only people I wouldn't expect to have been targeted are some of the people that were in the voting because it's single deadline, or someone like Lathum who would clear things up for the village. I don't think I would have been a great target because I've been getting some votes and heat all game, but it's certainly a possibility. Danny is a prime target given that he's gotten no heat and is a great wolf. But knowing that they went with Brit D1, I'm not quite sure what they're looking for in their kills.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I've got a few guys I'd be willing to entertain today. I called out Pass with my early vote yesterday and he promptly stuck himself on CW. That still makes me wonder. Katylied ended up nowhere useful last night. Narcizo is hard because he always ends up stranded due to time schedule. But for now I'm going to back up PF as the one that has the most things making me wonder about him.

VOTE PACKERFANATIC

Promptly? As in, by deadline?

[Narcizo]

Cople of things about Pass - don't like the early vote on Katy. I think I remember him trying to float that boat before as a wolf. Also didn't like his reasoning that Coffee dropping from five to one vote was suspicious for Coffee. Unless he thought that Coffee was using his evil, wolfy hypnosis-ray.

[Narcizo]

Cople? Writing on an iPad is teh suck.

[Autumn]

I haven't looked back at the time, Pass, but my point is besides Katy you have the earliest vote in the vote list up there. And I remember that as soon as I made that comment about you, you appeared in thread. My point is simply that putting an early vote on CW didn't make my question about you disappear.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Voting yesterday looks bad for Chubby if Packer is a wolf. His switch off of Packer to Hoops went a long way to making it a two-horse race with Coffee and Hoops, stealing all the momentum that Hoops and Coffee had got going on Packer. But is there actually any case against Packers?

I question Bhlloy's voting yesterday as well. At the start of the day he was Lathum or Mau but when he switches away from mau because he has no votes he picks Coffee instead of Lathum, when both are on three votes. That puzzles me. As I think Lathum is villager I don't see it as being a wolf-move per sé. But it suggests that he wasn't really all that sold on Lathum from the outset, in which case why did he come out so strongly?

I'm not liking Passacaglia's game up to this point either. He seems to be sliding through. Admittedly that's not normally his game whether he's wolf or villager but I don't like it.

I did say before that I'm not going to have a ton of time, and won't be on during deadlines. I'm sorry that you don't like it.