2014 NFL Regular Season, Week 2

[thesloppy]

Because: drugs, moral decay, and Democrats. Duh. Someone hasn't been paying attention.

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by Lathum

hw exactly is it more damaging?

Now you aren't expecting anything beyond some vague answer based on misguided personal beliefs, are you? If you're hoping for scientific studies or even logical reasons to back that assertion up, I believe you'll be sorely disappointed.

[thesloppy]

As much fun as it is to dogpile on Jon, I don't think it's necessarily fair to entirely dismiss the fact that (along with other questionable cultural leftovers) the South does maintain some positive traditional social values (larger more connected communities, respect for elders, table manners, etc.) that have all but disappeared from the rest of the country.

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

As much fun as it is to dogpile on Jon, I don't think it's necessarily fair to entirely dismiss the fact that (along with other questionable cultural leftovers) the South does maintain some positive traditional social values (larger more connected communities, respect for elders, table manners, etc.) that have all but disappeared from the rest of the country.

The only communities that are connected are if you go to the same church. Otherwise, many people won't talk to each other.

Respect for elders is the same country-wide and I've lived in about 8 different states.

Are you shitting me on table manners? The South is the one place you'll see an abundance of ball caps on while at the table and people eat like their hogs at the trough. I've been to many southern dinners at various homes where silverware wasn't even on the table! Now that's cool eating on the floor with your hands in a Moroccan restaurant, but not so cool when you're eating ham or (yes, this really did happen) pot roast sans silverware.

[flounder]

Hey, I was born in the south and I live in the south. There are a lot of great things about the south. But there's no denying that it's more violent than other regions of the country, and has a higher rate of corporal punishment. If corporal punishment is the only thing holding society together, how do you explain that?

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by Blackadar

The only communities that are connected are if you go to the same church. Otherwise, many people won't talk to each other.

Respect for elders is the same country-wide and I've lived in about 8 different states.

Yeah, I was specifically imagining churches when I mentioned both of those things, which is probably worth indicating. Also probably worth noting that the NW is remarkably socially insulated and introverted, which probably serves to color my vision. And we hate old people.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Blackadar

Now you aren't expecting anything beyond some vague answer based on misguided personal beliefs, are you? If you're hoping for scientific studies or even logical reasons to back that assertion up, I believe you'll be sorely disappointed.

I have no problem with a vague answer based on beliefs. Just curious about his thought process.

I enjoy JIMGs thought process on this stuff.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Blackadar

The only communities that are connected are if you go to the same church. Otherwise, many people won't talk to each other.

Eh, I have to disagree, at least to some extent.

Even with the great increase in mobility today, there are still extremely deep connections from (I dunno how to phrase it) "longterm proximity"

My mother-in-law (until a few years ago) spent her first 80 years in the same Chattanooga suburban town. Two generations later people still knew who she was, based largely on the connections that her parents & grandparents had with the great-grandparents of the younger generation. But the influence on dealings was intact, albeit to a lesser extent, regardless of whether you were Methodist or Church of God.

My maternal grandfather's family, similar story (albeit less prominent). Large family, 10 kids ... and the great-grandchildren of that generation all still live within about a 20 mile radius of the same 20 miles radius the ancestors spent their whole lives. Other families can say the same ... and that impacts the dealings to this day, regardless of "city" Baptist, "country" Baptist, or whatever.

Churches, moreso by amount of contact than by brand-name IMO, enhance the connectivity. They are not the sole basis of it however.

[Lathum]

To me there is something sad about spending your whole life in the same "town" you were born in. There is a whole country to experience, get out there and do it.

[HomerSimpson98]

Just when I think I've reached the edge of Internet dumbassery, I open up this thread and get proven wrong once again.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson98

Just when I think I've reached the edge of Internet dumbassery, I open up this thread and get proven wrong once again.

solid contribution.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Lathum

To me there is something sad about spending your whole life in the same "town" you were born in. There is a whole country to experience, get out there and do it.

Hey, I don't disagree with you (town-wise). I didn't laud that example as an admirable standard or anything, I merely meant to point out that it exists & as a contrast to (what IMO was) an overemphasis on the role church fellowship plays in the bigger picture of "community".

But consider this... my 30 yr HS reunion is coming up later this month. In helping contact people I realized that I'm very easily in the upper 25% of "live farthest away" from the school for our class ... and that's a two hour drive.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Posted in the Week 3 thread (since it has more immediate relevance there technically) but ...

Jonathan Dwyer of Arizona Cardinals arrested on two counts of suspicion of aggravated assault - ESPN

[mrtourette]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

There are lots -- and I mean LOTS -- of parents who would argue that failure to exercise that option, when necessary or effective, has been exponentially far more damaging to society than all of the abuse in the history of the world.

I'm sure there are are, I don't imagine that most of these people think they're doing something wrong. Adrian Peterson probably didn't/doesn't think he was doing anything wrong, but that doesn't excuse it.