Werewolf XLI - Apocalypse Awakens - Game over! - Page 47

Mr. Wednesday · 01-22-2007, 09:37 PM

Who's thrown in extra damage on Juggernaut? I did (fruitlessly, it appears), Gambit did, the late Hawkeye did. Does that add up to 28, or are there some other added damage attacks?

path12 · 01-22-2007, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

So, for analyzing what happened on day 2, we need to pool the attackers of both Hawkeye and Mystique.

(Silver Surfer)

Agreed, but I think it is also prudent to look at those who made the diversionary attacks to Deadpool, Captain Marvel and Doom.

SackAttack · 01-22-2007, 09:37 PM

Just wanted to revive this in the aftermath of Hawkeye's loss.

We know now that both Mystique and Hawkeye were members of the Twelve.

That leaves Doom as the only member standing of the three.

The question now is, did the Horsemen actively use him as a distraction, or did they just push for another member of the Twelve (Hawkeye) so that all of the attention that day - and a certain lynch - was aimed at two of their targets?

If they didn't use him as a distraction and he's good, then the Horsemen were awfully aggressive there, and we ought to look hard at people who voted for Hawkeye yesterday.

If they did use him as a distraction and he's good/one of the Twelve, things get murkier for me.

If they used him as a distraction and he's bad, then that's one hell of a ballsy play.

If they *didn't* use him as a distraction, and he's a Horseman, then I owe Deadpool an apology for attacking him tonight.

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

(Captain America)

Welcome aboard, Professor. Hopefully our newfound partnership bears fruit.

I'm personally at a loss right now. There were three names that I was, in descending degrees of certainty, looking at as being part of the Apocalyptic Five. The name I was most certain of turned out to be one of the Twelve, so I'm not any longer certain about the other two, as my suspicion of them was predicated in part upon behaviors similar to those that led me to attack Mystique.

{OOC} Captain Marvel still gives me a weird vibe, but there's that whole "learned how her character is supposed to behave" thing that's throwing me off there. {/OOC}

I think Doctor Doom is okay, even with the unexplained horse thing.

Reasoning: I'm wondering if the horse has to do not with whether or not the attack was successful, but on who launched the attack.

Remember that our actions are constrained, as heroes, by the amount of energy we have. Isn't it reasonable to assume that, if nothing else, Apocalypse's Horsemen have similar restrictions?

Additionally, given that constraint, it seems entirely possible to me that the Apocalyptic Five might be constrained in terms of how many attacks they can launch in a given night, but not necessarily in terms of WHO can attack.

Therefore, Doctor Doom could well have been attacked on the first night and fended the attack off with his first Doombot, and the golden horse may be just so much sound and fury, intended only to tell us "Look, the attacker was a Horseman, not the Head Honcho himself."

I am confident in Captain Britain's loyalty, and given our collective track record so far, I am willing to believe in the excitement of his vision, the Professor simply failed to remember that discretion is the better part of valor.

Hawkeye was one of my other two early targets, but given the surprising number of attacks on him when Doctor Doom seemed to be the early target, I'm thinking along another line right now.

We know that the Horsemen know who the Twelve are. We know that early in Day 2, Doctor Doom was at risk of lynch (partly because of the tandem of Deadpool and Wolverine). Now, given that the possibility of a double lynch exists, given that we know now Mystique was one of the Twelve and that she was targeted by some of us due partly to her weakened state (and thus a likely lynch in and of herself), is it possible that the Horsemen chose to target Hawkeye as another member of the Twelve while the Doom/Mystique distraction was present?

If Doom is good, but not a member of the Twelve, I think it possible that they might have relied on our perception of his value to create that illusion - that, in fact, he may HAVE been a member - and used that as cover to strike at a second member of the Twelve, perhaps with the aim of removing two via lynch, followed by a third under cover of night.

I recognize that Hawkeye was attacked before some of us targeted Mystique late, but at the same time, some of us - including myself - had been talking about Mystique as a possibility since day 1...so I don't think there needed to be incipient violence against her for them to make that move - only the potential for it.

The REALLY fun part is if Doom IS a member of the Twelve - then they just couldn't lose with that threesome of suspects.

Thoughts?

Poli · 01-22-2007, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Who's thrown in extra damage on Juggernaut? I did (fruitlessly, it appears), Gambit did, the late Hawkeye did. Does that add up to 28, or are there some other added damage attacks?

I'm a 1-pointer myself.

DD

DaddyTorgo · 01-22-2007, 09:44 PM

least you guys will get one more confirmed good-guy out of me before i die

DaddyTorgo · 01-22-2007, 09:45 PM

course i suppose evil could leave me alive in order to try to cast doubt on me...

GoldenEagle · 01-22-2007, 09:46 PM

I am just in shock that someone who is obviously bad such as professor X can get away without anyone even mentioning him beside me. The bad players are playing a good game, but sometimes I feel like I am the only player who is not a member of horsemen in this game.

DaddyTorgo · 01-22-2007, 09:47 PM

GE...are you kidding me?

path12 · 01-22-2007, 09:50 PM

(Silver Surfer)

For the record (and because I don't even know if this will show up or not since it looks like Hawkeye passed away just before my attack) I had a one-point attack.

Swaggs · 01-22-2007, 09:54 PM

(OOC)

Hey guys, sorry that I did not perform an action. I ended up staying late at work and then forgot that we had dinnerplans.

Catching up now. I guess I should see if I am still alive before reading through ten pages.

GoldenEagle · 01-22-2007, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

GE...are you kidding me?

Let me ask you this. SackAttack said he would look into being good/bad. What did you tell him? You told him not to waste his time. Normally a player in that situation says go ahead and scan me, I have no problem with that. You, on the other hand, begged him not to "waste" one.

DaddyTorgo · 01-22-2007, 09:55 PM

seems to me that we've given a lot of people free pass for missing a lot of actions and not contributing in this game that we wouldn't cut slack in other games.

just an observation...

path12 · 01-22-2007, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

The question now is, did the Horsemen actively use him as a distraction, or did they just push for another member of the Twelve (Hawkeye) so that all of the attention that day - and a certain lynch - was aimed at two of their targets?

(Silver Surfer)

I'm not sure if there actually was a distraction. Hawkeye was down to 25% health. For better or worse (and it turned out worse), he remained under suspicion mainly because of the thought that he had been protected by the run to Mystique the day before. I think that there was a need to find out if that theory was valid or not, and because of that Hawkeye needed to go. Based on the damage Juggernaut took, I'm thinking it's pretty hard to get two day kills, which means that there really wasn't a lot of need for distraction.

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-22-2007, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Let me ask you this. SackAttack said he would look into being good/bad. What did you tell him? You told him not to waste his time. Normally a player in that situation says go ahead and scan me, I have no problem with that. You, on the other hand, begged him not to "waste" one.

Because he's already been vouched for by a player who was confirmed good.

SPIDER-MAN

Barkeep49 · 01-22-2007, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

seems to me that we've given a lot of people free pass for missing a lot of actions and not contributing in this game that we wouldn't cut slack in other games.

just an observation...

Word.

DaddyTorgo · 01-22-2007, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Let me ask you this. SackAttack said he would look into being good/bad. What did you tell him? You told him not to waste his time. Normally a player in that situation says go ahead and scan me, I have no problem with that. You, on the other hand, begged him not to "waste" one.

yeah. because enough people trust me (i think) that I am not in danger. certainly if he has the chance and i am in danger he should.

but as a team player i now that what happens to me isn't important. there's been enough controversy swirling around me all game anyways. he needs to find someone else of the 12 (if his ability works that way, we're not even sure what it was)

Barkeep49 · 01-22-2007, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

(Silver Surfer)

I'm not sure if there actually was a distraction. Hawkeye was down to 25% health. For better or worse (and it turned out worse), he remained under suspicion mainly because of the thought that he had been protected by the run to Mystique the day before. I think that there was a need to find out if that theory was valid or not, and because of that Hawkeye needed to go. Based on the damage Juggernaut took, I'm thinking it's pretty hard to get two day kills, which means that there really wasn't a lot of need for distraction.

So let's take a look at the early voters on Hawkeye for both days. There's gotta be a horseman in the mix somehwere. Of course I'm one of those people and not a horseman, so that theory is not infallible.

LoneStarGirl · 01-22-2007, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Grammaticus

I really think everyone needs to look at Magneto, Warpath and Spiderman.

I know those three, and they are not on the level. I would put Deadpool next on the list.

Quoted for truth

DaddyTorgo · 01-22-2007, 10:00 PM

dola

typos "know" not "now"

and "we're not sure what it IS" not "we're not sure what it was"

LoneStarGirl · 01-22-2007, 10:01 PM

Hoops, you got the actions for today somewhere handy? What about yesterday? :-)

hoopsguy · 01-22-2007, 10:02 PM

Final wrap-up on today's actions:

Post #2007 (1:17PM) Deadpool attacks Hawkeye (grenade)
Post #2069 (4:51PM) Wolverine attacks Doom (claws)
Post #2085 (5:02PM) Hulk attacks Wolverine (fist)
Post #2120 (5:41PM) Magneto attacks Hawkeye (magnetic pulse)
Post #2122 (5:47PM) Warpath attacks Hawkeye (knife)
Post #2124 (5:58PM) Mandarin attacks Hawkeye (ring - fire)
Post #2142 (6:27PM) Marvel attacks Hulk (energy blast)
Post #2173 (7:05PM) Gambit attacks Juggernaut (cards)
Post #2190 (7:25PM) Hawkeye attacks Juggernaut (explosive arrow, normal arrow)
Post #2198 (7:42PM) Mathemanic attacks Juggernaut (mental attack)
Post #2211 (8:11PM) Cannonball attacks Hawkeye (rocket blast)
Post #2212 (8:11PM) Surfer attacks Hawkeye (power cosmic)
Post #2214 (8:14PM) Moon Knight attacks Captain Marvel (dart)
Post #2218 (8:22PM) Spiderman attacks Hawkeye (punch)
Post #2226 (8:34PM) Venom attacks Hawkeye (special attack - sneak attack)
Post #2230 (8:40PM) Captain America attacks Deadpool (shield)
Post #2236 (8:50PM) Juggernaut attacks Hawkeye (fist)
Post #2252 (8:59PM) Daredevil attacks Juggernaut (club)

LoneStarGirl · 01-22-2007, 10:05 PM

Deadpool, Magneto and Warpath are the first three to attack Hawkeye today. Incidentally they were in the top four Gramm suggested yesterday.

GoldenEagle · 01-22-2007, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Because he's already been vouched for by a player who was confirmed good.

SPIDER-MAN

I do not know if anyone at this point can say whether anyone is good or not. The bottom line is that we are getting our asses handed to us by the wolves. Traditional thinking and vouching needs to go out the window. I know I am dead tomorrow (the sad thing is, that will put us even further behind), but I going to do the team a favor and slam Professor X before I go out.

gi · 01-22-2007, 10:14 PM

Interesting turn of events. Blind attacking isn't leading us anywhere. Hopefully tonight will offer a glimmer of information for us good guys.

Schmidty · 01-22-2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Deadpool, Magneto and Warpath are the first three to attack Hawkeye today. Incidentally they were in the top four Gramm suggested yesterday.

PUNY WOMAN DARE TRY TO HURT HULK?!?!?!?!

HULK THINKS HE SHOULD DEMOLISH YOU TOMORROW, EVIL LADY!!!!!!!!!!

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-22-2007, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

(captain marvel)
I wasn't about to vote for Hawkeye, and there was a lot of talk about going after hulk. I wasn't about to go for Juggernaut because there was no case. So please tell me, how will you 'deal' with my antics?

You make no sense. How can you say that there was no case against Juggernaut?

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

So do i, which is exactly why I changed my mind off of voting for him. But I refuse to vote Hawkeye. That really only leaves the Hulk and the quieter players. Damn, I have to go to class ...

Attack Hulk

The "So do I" part refers to you agreeing with DD who was agreeing with what I had said about Juggernaut.

I think you have some explaining to do.

SPIDER-MAN

Poli · 01-22-2007, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Word.

That's my line.

DD

DaddyTorgo · 01-22-2007, 10:17 PM

GE is making me very suspicious. i need to know before i go to bed if there is anyone who will be willing/able to protect me from his attack tomorrow. because if not i will have to modify my night actions tonight to try to preserve my life tomorrow by saving some energy I suppose, as my physical strength likely will not stand up to a serious attack by juggernaut.

GoldenEagle · 01-22-2007, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

You make no sense. How can you say that there was no case against Juggernaut?

There was no case. It is just blind attacking.

LoneStarGirl · 01-22-2007, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

You make no sense. How can you say that there was no case against Juggernaut?

The "So do I" part refers to you agreeing with DD who was agreeing with what I had said about Juggernaut.

I think you have some explaining to do.

SPIDER-MAN

You guys voted on Juggernaut right after I told you he was going to be gone. on that principal alone, I was not going to vote for him.

DaddyTorgo · 01-22-2007, 10:20 PM

putting me into "defend myself" mode is just what evil would want...it keeps me from helping us identify more good players.

gi · 01-22-2007, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

GE is making me very suspicious. i need to know before i go to bed if there is anyone who will be willing/able to protect me from his attack tomorrow. because if not i will have to modify my night actions tonight to try to preserve my life tomorrow by saving some energy I suppose, as my physical strength likely will not stand up to a serious attack by juggernaut.

All my energy will be depleted when I invoke my special ability on myself tonight. I may be able to offer support as one of my daylight actions.

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-22-2007, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

GE is making me very suspicious. i need to know before i go to bed if there is anyone who will be willing/able to protect me from his attack tomorrow. because if not i will have to modify my night actions tonight to try to preserve my life tomorrow by saving some energy I suppose, as my physical strength likely will not stand up to a serious attack by juggernaut.

Carry on with your plan. I don't see how Juggernaut can get any kind of movement against you.

SPIDER-MAN

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-22-2007, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

You guys voted on Juggernaut right after I told you he was going to be gone. on that principal alone, I was not going to vote for him.

That's completely different than saying that there wasn't a case against him.

SPIDER-MAN

Blade6119 · 01-22-2007, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Yes.

28 damage and still alive...damn he had a lot of health, as being the top damage reciever we only had to take him to 0, no?

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-22-2007, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

putting me into "defend myself" mode is just what evil would want...it keeps me from helping us identify more good players.

Why does it matter if Juggernaut kills you tomorrow? You fully expect to be killed tonight, right? As long as you can give us at least one more name, that's what we really need.

SPIDER-MAN

DaddyTorgo · 01-22-2007, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Carry on with your plan. I don't see how Juggernaut can get any kind of movement against you.

SPIDER-MAN

he wouldn't need much of a movement. although i guess he couldn't do me in alone.

oh well. that's all assuming i make it into tomorrow anyways.

DaddyTorgo · 01-22-2007, 10:25 PM

lol. look at our post times spidey :-)

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-22-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

28 damage and still alive...damn he had a lot of health, as being the top damage reciever we only had to take him to 0, no?

Unless he didn't take all 28 points of damage. If there was a horsemen in that attack, couldn't they lower his damage? Isn't the 28 points an indication of how many points are directed his way, but not actually taken?

SPIDER-MAN

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-22-2007, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

lol. look at our post times spidey :-)

You know what they say about great minds.

SPIDER-MAN

LoneStarGirl · 01-22-2007, 10:28 PM

Professor I really dont think you have anything to worry about during the day. You might have a couple people push against you, but nothing will stick. I would be worried about Apocolypse or his horsemen trying to take you out.

Poli · 01-22-2007, 10:30 PM

Lost. What do you mean?

DD

DaddyTorgo · 01-22-2007, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Professor I really dont think you have anything to worry about during the day. You might have a couple people push against you, but nothing will stick. I would be worried about Apocolypse or his horsemen trying to take you out.

i hope so. i guess i just...panic

Poli · 01-22-2007, 10:32 PM

I'm concerned for you through tonight.

DD

Blade6119 · 01-22-2007, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Unless he didn't take all 28 points of damage. If there was a horsemen in that attack, couldn't they lower his damage? Isn't the 28 points an indication of how many points are directed his way, but not actually taken?

SPIDER-MAN

I thought that was post-sabotage???

Blade6119 · 01-22-2007, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

I'm concerned for you through tonight.

DD

Im not, prof. X is as safe as could be tonight...the bodyguard has no one more important to guard tonight

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-22-2007, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

To clarify, this is damage that they would have taken before any defenses powers come into play.

This was Tyrith's note after the first day's damage was reported. I'm assuming it still holds now. I include sabotage in defensive powers. Maybe I'm wrong, though.

SPIDER-MAN

DaddyTorgo · 01-22-2007, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

Im not, prof. X is as safe as could be tonight...the bodyguard has no one more important to guard tonight

interesting point blade. although...could we have killed the bodyguard without realizing it? hidden roles right?

Tyrith · 01-22-2007, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

This was Tyrith's note after the first day's damage was reported. I'm assuming it still holds now. I include sabotage in defensive powers. Maybe I'm wrong, though.

SPIDER-MAN

Pretty much the damage totals you get are all the damage the people that executed the attacks could have done if absolutely nothing interfered.

Barkeep49 · 01-22-2007, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Unless he didn't take all 28 points of damage. If there was a horsemen in that attack, couldn't they lower his damage? Isn't the 28 points an indication of how many points are directed his way, but not actually taken?

SPIDER-MAN

If the 28 was lowered it was by his own defensive means, unless Apocolypse can lower damage behind the scenes.

01-22-2007, 09:37 PM	#2301
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	Who's thrown in extra damage on Juggernaut? I did (fruitlessly, it appears), Gambit did, the late Hawkeye did. Does that add up to 28, or are there some other added damage attacks? __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

01-22-2007, 09:46 PM	#2307
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	I am just in shock that someone who is obviously bad such as professor X can get away without anyone even mentioning him beside me. The bad players are playing a good game, but sometimes I feel like I am the only player who is not a member of horsemen in this game. __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

01-22-2007, 09:50 PM	#2309
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	(Silver Surfer) For the record (and because I don't even know if this will show up or not since it looks like Hawkeye passed away just before my attack) I had a one-point attack. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

01-22-2007, 09:54 PM	#2310
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	(OOC) Hey guys, sorry that I did not perform an action. I ended up staying late at work and then forgot that we had dinnerplans. Catching up now. I guess I should see if I am still alive before reading through ten pages. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

01-22-2007, 10:30 PM	#2342
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Lost. What do you mean? DD __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

01-22-2007, 09:44 PM	#2305
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	least you guys will get one more confirmed good-guy out of me before i die

01-22-2007, 09:45 PM	#2306
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	course i suppose evil could leave me alive in order to try to cast doubt on me...

01-22-2007, 09:47 PM	#2308
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	GE...are you kidding me?

01-22-2007, 09:55 PM	#2312
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	seems to me that we've given a lot of people free pass for missing a lot of actions and not contributing in this game that we wouldn't cut slack in other games. just an observation...

01-22-2007, 10:00 PM	#2319
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	dola typos "know" not "now" and "we're not sure what it IS" not "we're not sure what it was"

01-22-2007, 10:01 PM	#2320
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	Hoops, you got the actions for today somewhere handy? What about yesterday? :-)

01-22-2007, 10:05 PM	#2322
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	Deadpool, Magneto and Warpath are the first three to attack Hawkeye today. Incidentally they were in the top four Gramm suggested yesterday.

01-22-2007, 10:14 PM	#2324
gi College Prospect Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Berkley, MI	Interesting turn of events. Blind attacking isn't leading us anywhere. Hopefully tonight will offer a glimmer of information for us good guys.

01-22-2007, 10:17 PM	#2328
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	GE is making me very suspicious. i need to know before i go to bed if there is anyone who will be willing/able to protect me from his attack tomorrow. because if not i will have to modify my night actions tonight to try to preserve my life tomorrow by saving some energy I suppose, as my physical strength likely will not stand up to a serious attack by juggernaut.

01-22-2007, 10:20 PM	#2331
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	putting me into "defend myself" mode is just what evil would want...it keeps me from helping us identify more good players.

01-22-2007, 10:25 PM	#2338
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	lol. look at our post times spidey :-)

01-22-2007, 10:28 PM	#2341
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	Professor I really dont think you have anything to worry about during the day. You might have a couple people push against you, but nothing will stick. I would be worried about Apocolypse or his horsemen trying to take you out.

01-22-2007, 10:32 PM	#2344
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I'm concerned for you through tonight. DD __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

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