Werewolf XXXIV: Tombstone (GAME OVER - Night 13) - Page 18

Swaggs · 10-10-2006, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I've been really struggling with the idea of GE saving his power versus using it now to prove himself. I would love to hear what Swaggs thinks, since he's the one who really put himself out on the line with GE.

I don't know with any certainty that GE is good, but I just rethought about the value of lynching someone on day 1 with all of these roles out and about. We have a voting record, so it isn't like we lost that (even though it was a runaway).

My thinking is that there are enough of us with abilities AND (a big AND) there are a lot of folks running around with guns, so it isn't like a lynch is our only way to win.

The only minor concern I have is that saldana and GE are staging a pretty big argument for this early on, with neither of them claiming to have any substantial evidence. Is it sincere or for show to make them clearly appear oppositional? Probably nothing--but something to watch.

saldana · 10-10-2006, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I've been really struggling with the idea of GE saving his power versus using it now to prove himself. I would love to hear what Swaggs thinks, since he's the one who really put himself out on the line with GE.

but he isnt losing it...he gets it back every 3 days according to him

Swaggs · 10-10-2006, 09:37 PM

...and for what it is worth, if I were GE I probably wouldn't break myself out of jail either, as it would make him look very shady.

And with that, I am done aligning myself with GE. Hopefully tomorrow we will have a larger COT and, perhaps, some damning evidence.

saldana · 10-10-2006, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

The only minor concern I have is that saldana and GE are staging a pretty big argument for this early on, with neither of them claiming to have any substantial evidence. Is it sincere or for show to make them clearly appear oppositional? Probably nothing--but something to watch.

i dont have any more evidence that the gaping holes in GE's reveal, which is more than we had yesterday.

GoldenEagle · 10-10-2006, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

but he isnt losing it...he gets it back every 3 days according to him

But why would you not want to release Lathum and I when we could be helping the village? You would rather have us sitting in jail or out and about helping the townspeople? You have been ignoring this question like the plague.

bulletsponge · 10-10-2006, 09:39 PM

well now that the day is over im no longer drunk. I need some whiskey and some cards. a woman would be nice too

GoldenEagle · 10-10-2006, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

i dont have any more evidence that the gaping holes in GE's reveal, which is more than we had yesterday.

What gaping holes? You yourself admitted that I had a gun. You questioned at the deadline why I would have this gun. There has not been a reasonable explanation yet as to why you brought this up right before I was going to be killed. I would say that your story has more gaping holes. The eagerness to talk me into using my powers is alarming. Do you think people are just going to ignore that?

Swaggs · 10-10-2006, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

i dont have any more evidence that the gaping holes in GE's reveal, which is more than we had yesterday.

Sal, I still have faith in you, or else I would vote for someone else, but, to me, this isn't a useful battle for you and GE to fight. I can understand that him not wanting to use his power could seem questionable, but I, for one, can understand not using it, so I don't think it is utterly damning for him not to want to use it right now. It seems like a 50-50 type of call for a player to make.

Just my two cents.

SnDvls · 10-10-2006, 09:45 PM

I'm going to go dig my self a hole and see if I get rich. see you all tomorrow

st.cronin · 10-10-2006, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Sal, I still have faith in you, or else I would vote for someone else, but, to me, this isn't a useful battle for you and GE to fight. I can understand that him not wanting to use his power could seem questionable, but I, for one, can understand not using it, so I don't think it is utterly damning for him not to want to use it right now. It seems like a 50-50 type of call for a player to make.

Just my two cents.

I agree completely. I think saldana should play this totally straight, and release Lathum, and jail somebody else, somebody not in any cot.

Barkeep49 · 10-10-2006, 09:46 PM

Golden: Why would you not want to release Lathum? I hear what you're saying just as much, but really I think having Lathum out of jail and two new people to consider as lynch suspects is better than having 1 new lynch suspect if saldana were to use one of his actions to fre Lathum.

Swaggs · 10-10-2006, 09:50 PM

BK, are we talking about GE using his power to release Lathum or just having saldana release Lathum?

Racer · 10-10-2006, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

But why would you not want to release Lathum and I when we could be helping the village? You would rather have us sitting in jail or out and about helping the townspeople? You have been ignoring this question like the plague.

If you can break anyone out of jail or put anyone in it, why would it matter if you were in jail or not?

GoldenEagle · 10-10-2006, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Golden: Why would you not want to release Lathum? I hear what you're saying just as much, but really I think having Lathum out of jail and two new people to consider as lynch suspects is better than having 1 new lynch suspect if saldana were to use one of his actions to fre Lathum.

I have no problems with freeing Lathum but why should I use my powers to do so? Saldana can release him. I am not going to give into the challenege of saldana and use my powers because that means he can do whatever he wants to over the next three days.

bulletsponge · 10-10-2006, 09:53 PM

im a little confused

Barkeep49 · 10-10-2006, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

BK, are we talking about GE using his power to release Lathum or just having saldana release Lathum?

After thinking it over I think GE should use his power. We want the good guys out of jail and potential bad guys in jail. Saldana has two actions. If he uses one to free Lathum, then we only have one person to consider for lynch tomorrow. If that person is clean, then we've lost another day trying to find the 'boys. If GE uses his power instead, he can regenerate it so that it's more likely to be useful again later in the game, and saldana can give us two suspects for tomorrow.

Swaggs · 10-10-2006, 09:54 PM

I am very confused.

I really don't see the merit of this argument. Maybe I missed something earlier?

bulletsponge · 10-10-2006, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I have no problems with freeing Lathum but why should I use my powers to do so? Saldana can release him. I am not going to give into the challenege of saldana and use my powers because that means he can do whatever he wants to over the next three days.

agreed. if Lathum is to be freed, the sheriff should do it. and GE should keep his power if we need the sheriff "taken care of"

Barkeep49 · 10-10-2006, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I have no problems with freeing Lathum but why should I use my powers to do so? Saldana can release him. I am not going to give into the challenege of saldana and use my powers because that means he can do whatever he wants to over the next three days.

No it doesn't. If you think he's bad then make the case tomorrow to replace him as sheriff.

GoldenEagle · 10-10-2006, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Racer

If you can break anyone out of jail or put anyone in it, why would it matter if you were in jail or not?

Because apparently there is a ton of information being passed around at night in this game. Also, someone with a weapon can be very useful outside of jail. There is just no sense in keeping me sitting around in jail.

st.cronin · 10-10-2006, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

After thinking it over I think GE should use his power. We want the good guys out of jail and potential bad guys in jail. Saldana has two actions. If he uses one to free Lathum, then we only have one person to consider for lynch tomorrow. If that person is clean, then we've lost another day trying to find the 'boys. If GE uses his power instead, he can regenerate it so that it's more likely to be useful again later in the game, and saldana can give us two suspects for tomorrow.

I am still not sure this is technically possible. If sal's night action comes before GE's night action, he won't be able to put two people in jail.

Swaggs · 10-10-2006, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

After thinking it over I think GE should use his power. We want the good guys out of jail and potential bad guys in jail. Saldana has two actions. If he uses one to free Lathum, then we only have one person to consider for lynch tomorrow. If that person is clean, then we've lost another day trying to find the 'boys. If GE uses his power instead, he can regenerate it so that it's more likely to be useful again later in the game, and saldana can give us two suspects for tomorrow.

But does GE using his power clear him of anything? In my opinion, it does not.

bulletsponge · 10-10-2006, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

After thinking it over I think GE should use his power. We want the good guys out of jail and potential bad guys in jail. Saldana has two actions. If he uses one to free Lathum, then we only have one person to consider for lynch tomorrow. If that person is clean, then we've lost another day trying to find the 'boys. If GE uses his power instead, he can regenerate it so that it's more likely to be useful again later in the game, and saldana can give us two suspects for tomorrow.

hmm i do see your point now. 1 question. does Lathum have a role that requires him being out of jail to perform? is it all important that he gets out tonight?

Barkeep49 · 10-10-2006, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bulletsponge

agreed. if Lathum is to be freed, the sheriff should do it. and GE should keep his power if we need the sheriff "taken care of"

Are you comfortable then lynching whoever saldana choses to place in jail? I'm not. I'd rather have two suspects as I'd likely feel ok lynching at least one of them, I'd think.

Barkeep49 · 10-10-2006, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I am still not sure this is technically possible. If sal's night action comes before GE's night action, he won't be able to put two people in jail.

Oh. Hmm. I see what you're saying.

bulletsponge · 10-10-2006, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Are you comfortable then lynching whoever saldana choses to place in jail? I'm not. I'd rather have two suspects as I'd likely feel ok lynching at least one of them, I'd think.

yea i see your point. i never trusted Saldana

GoldenEagle · 10-10-2006, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

No it doesn't. If you think he's bad then make the case tomorrow to replace him as sheriff.

I plan on doing that. From jail.

Swaggs · 10-10-2006, 09:59 PM

I think I am sincerely confused or missing something.

st.cronin · 10-10-2006, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Oh. Hmm. I see what you're saying.

That's why I think sal should cut Lathum free, see what GE does, and jail somebody else.

Barkeep49 · 10-10-2006, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

That's why I think sal should cut Lathum free, see what GE does, and jail somebody else.

What would you like to see him do? I mean him busting himself out doesn't clear him, to me, as much as busting somoene else out. Especially someone considered to generally be in the COT.

GoldenEagle · 10-10-2006, 10:04 PM

It is my understanding that my actions override any of the current sheirff's actions. Thus, my night action would occur after his.

st.cronin · 10-10-2006, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

What would you like to see him do? I mean him busting himself out doesn't clear him, to me, as much as busting somoene else out. Especially someone considered to generally be in the COT.

Honestly, I don't think ANYTHING he does will definitively clear him. We see what the night brings us, is my take.

Swaggs · 10-10-2006, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Honestly, I don't think ANYTHING he does will definitively clear him. We see what the night brings us, is my take.

Agreed.

Barkeep49 · 10-10-2006, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

It is my understanding that my actions override any of the current sheirff's actions. Thus, my night action would occur after his.

If it's an over ride, as opposed to an addition to, then I would agree it's incumbant upon saldana to release lathum.

hoopsguy · 10-10-2006, 10:18 PM

GE - life would have been a LOT easier today if you had given some information just a bit earlier. We had a pretty full room for the hour leading up to the lynch. Obviously you can say 'you play your game and I'll play mine' but I'm trying to provide some insight as to why people would have questioned you today and why we needed to have the Mayor/Duke reveal himself to keep you around.

Abe Sargent · 10-10-2006, 10:24 PM

Agreed with hoops. I role revealed as soon as I released how the conversation was going.

hoopsguy · 10-10-2006, 10:30 PM

The next thing that I would like to see - if both parties think Lathum should be released, I would like to see them hammer out an agreement to do this. Having a pissing match that leaves him in his cell is not the end of the world, but it doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense either and will likely lead to continued escalation between the two of them.

hoopsguy · 10-10-2006, 10:30 PM

hoopsguy · 10-10-2006, 10:30 PM

Both parties =

Swaggs · 10-10-2006, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

GE - life would have been a LOT easier today if you had given some information just a bit earlier. We had a pretty full room for the hour leading up to the lynch. Obviously you can say 'you play your game and I'll play mine' but I'm trying to provide some insight as to why people would have questioned you today and why we needed to have the Mayor/Duke reveal himself to keep you around.

For what it is worth, I don't feel real great about having to reveal, but I'd rather keep everyone around for another day and hope we get some benefit from tonight than to just kill everyone off. I regret not being around more today to push the no lynch angle, but I had a long workday, unfortunately.

hoopsguy · 10-10-2006, 10:31 PM

Both parties = Saldana

hoopsguy · 10-10-2006, 10:31 PM

Both parties = Saldana and GE

hoopsguy · 10-10-2006, 10:32 PM

Oops - weird browser behavior ...

Swaggs · 10-10-2006, 10:33 PM

So, can we only add one person to the jail tonight?

st.cronin · 10-10-2006, 10:34 PM

Assuming Lathum somehow gets released, I think we should make him sherriff tomorrow.

Swaggs · 10-10-2006, 10:35 PM

Is there any good reason that the mortician should stay under wraps?

st.cronin · 10-10-2006, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

So, can we only add one person to the jail tonight?

If saldana has to go first, then that's true. I suspect it is, otherwise saldana's night order would have to be conditional on some OTHER night order, which the gm may not allow.

path12 · 10-10-2006, 10:37 PM

Well that was interesting. I'm for GE using his power. It serves two purposes, first it would help bolster his story (count me in the group that is frustrated with the five minute to lynch reveal), and secondly it allows Saldana to get three people in jail to choose from tomorrow. The cowboys will be two up on us after tonight assuming there is a kill, if we don't have anyone in jail to choose from tomorrow we give them another free pass and we end up three down.

path12 · 10-10-2006, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Is there any good reason that the mortician should stay under wraps?

I'm not sure he is anymore.

path12 · 10-10-2006, 10:40 PM

I'm having a really hard time believing GE. Am I alone in that?

10-10-2006, 09:37 PM	#853
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	...and for what it is worth, if I were GE I probably wouldn't break myself out of jail either, as it would make him look very shady. And with that, I am done aligning myself with GE. Hopefully tomorrow we will have a larger COT and, perhaps, some damning evidence. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

10-10-2006, 09:50 PM	#862
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	BK, are we talking about GE using his power to release Lathum or just having saldana release Lathum? __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

10-10-2006, 09:54 PM	#867
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I am very confused. I really don't see the merit of this argument. Maybe I missed something earlier? __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

10-10-2006, 09:59 PM	#878
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I think I am sincerely confused or missing something. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

10-10-2006, 10:04 PM	#881
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	It is my understanding that my actions override any of the current sheirff's actions. Thus, my night action would occur after his. __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

10-10-2006, 09:39 PM	#856
bulletsponge Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TX	well now that the day is over im no longer drunk. I need some whiskey and some cards. a woman would be nice too

10-10-2006, 09:45 PM	#859
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	I'm going to go dig my self a hole and see if I get rich. see you all tomorrow

10-10-2006, 09:46 PM	#861
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Golden: Why would you not want to release Lathum? I hear what you're saying just as much, but really I think having Lathum out of jail and two new people to consider as lynch suspects is better than having 1 new lynch suspect if saldana were to use one of his actions to fre Lathum.

10-10-2006, 09:53 PM	#865
bulletsponge Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TX	im a little confused

10-10-2006, 10:18 PM	#885
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	GE - life would have been a LOT easier today if you had given some information just a bit earlier. We had a pretty full room for the hour leading up to the lynch. Obviously you can say 'you play your game and I'll play mine' but I'm trying to provide some insight as to why people would have questioned you today and why we needed to have the Mayor/Duke reveal himself to keep you around.

10-10-2006, 10:24 PM	#886
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Agreed with hoops. I role revealed as soon as I released how the conversation was going. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

10-10-2006, 10:30 PM	#887
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	The next thing that I would like to see - if both parties think Lathum should be released, I would like to see them hammer out an agreement to do this. Having a pissing match that leaves him in his cell is not the end of the world, but it doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense either and will likely lead to continued escalation between the two of them.

10-10-2006, 10:30 PM	#888
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Both

10-10-2006, 10:30 PM	#889
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Both parties =

10-10-2006, 10:31 PM	#891
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Both parties = Saldana

10-10-2006, 10:31 PM	#892
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Both parties = Saldana and GE

10-10-2006, 10:32 PM	#893
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Oops - weird browser behavior ...

10-10-2006, 10:33 PM	#894
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	So, can we only add one person to the jail tonight? __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

10-10-2006, 10:34 PM	#895
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Assuming Lathum somehow gets released, I think we should make him sherriff tomorrow. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

10-10-2006, 10:35 PM	#896
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Is there any good reason that the mortician should stay under wraps? __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

10-10-2006, 10:37 PM	#898
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Well that was interesting. I'm for GE using his power. It serves two purposes, first it would help bolster his story (count me in the group that is frustrated with the five minute to lynch reveal), and secondly it allows Saldana to get three people in jail to choose from tomorrow. The cowboys will be two up on us after tonight assuming there is a kill, if we don't have anyone in jail to choose from tomorrow we give them another free pass and we end up three down. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

10-10-2006, 10:40 PM	#900
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	I'm having a really hard time believing GE. Am I alone in that? __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

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