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Old 11-19-2022, 08:55 PM   #1301
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I wouldn't call that just yet. I don't know if Rattler can keep this up in the second half.

My biggest takeaway from today is this year won't have a national champion so much as it will have a survivor.
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Old 11-19-2022, 09:03 PM   #1302
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Curious what Jon thinks about GT leading UNC

Just woke up from a cold medicine induced nap to discover that curious turn of events.

Carolina gon' Carolina I reckon.
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Old 11-19-2022, 09:13 PM   #1303
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Mack Brown didn't get a chance to lose to FSU this year so GT was happy to oblige.
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Old 11-19-2022, 09:14 PM   #1304
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Just woke up from a cold medicine induced nap to discover that curious turn of events.

Carolina gon' Carolina I reckon.

This applies for either side of the line.
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Old 11-19-2022, 09:21 PM   #1305
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Hogs scores a TD just before the half. Hogs up 35-6.



EDIT: 68 yard run TD to start the 3Q. A thing of beauty. Up 42-6

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Old 11-19-2022, 10:21 PM   #1306
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Is the Vols defense get off the bus?

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Old 11-19-2022, 10:27 PM   #1307
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And now Hooker looks like he might of tore an ACL. That's rough.

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Old 11-19-2022, 10:44 PM   #1308
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Ole Miss has outplayed us in 2H so far. 42-20 now.

Our defense let a couple big plays happen that moved the chains and resulted in 2 Ole Miss TDs.

8 min left. Our QB1 is still in there, don't know why. We need to make sure he is healthy for Missouri.
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Old 11-19-2022, 10:52 PM   #1309
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63 points. The Gamecocks ran out of fireworks to shoot off after scores. That is an epic beat down. Poor Hooker has now probably out of the Heisman running as well. I hope the injury doesn't hurt his draft stock too much.

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Old 11-19-2022, 10:53 PM   #1310
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Is the Vols defense get off the bus?

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I think they did ... which is kinda the problem.
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Old 11-19-2022, 11:13 PM   #1311
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700+ yards of offense, 463 yards rushing ... and get absolutely slaughtered with a misleading final score. It's not as embarrassing as the UT loss to South Carolina but there ain't a lot of defense for what Ole Miss just did either.
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Old 11-19-2022, 11:17 PM   #1312
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Whew, the Hogs are now bowl eligible. Won 42-27 in our final home game. Old Miss had 463 rushing yards though.

Feeling good about Missouri next week.


EDIT: post game show said there were 3 200-yard runners and wondered if this has happened before

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Old 11-20-2022, 03:39 AM   #1313
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Trying to come up with some sort of ranking system based on possible outcomes that follows the committee's rules...

Note that the same team can occupy multiple places. I've ended the ranking when there are four different teams in, guaranteed.

1. Undefeated SEC Champion (Georgia)
2. Undefeated Big Ten Champion (Ohio State or Michigan)
3. Undefeated Big Twelve Champion (TCU)
4. 1-Loss SEC Champion or Runner-Up (Georgia)
5. 1-Loss Pac Twelve Champion (USC)

(since 1 and 4 are the same team, the above results are guaranteed playoff spots)

6. 1-Loss Big Ten Runner-Up (Ohio State or Michigan)
7. 1-Loss ACC Champion (Clemson)
8. 2-Loss SEC Champion (LSU)
9. 1-Loss Big Twelve Champion or Runner-Up (TCU)
10. 1-Loss Big Ten Lucky Loser (Ohio State or Michigan)

(this almost certainly fills all four spots, but since nine different teams can occupy 9-12 and my system gives them fairly similar scores, significantly below the top eight, I'm including all 12)

11. 2-Loss Pac Twelve Champion (USC, Oregon, Utah or Washington)
12. 2-Loss SEC Lucky Loser (Tennessee, then Alabama)


For the conference championships (I hope I've done this correctly):

The ACC is Clemson versus North Carolina.
The SEC is Georgia versus LSU.
The Big Twelve is TCU versus Kansas State (3 boxes of 4) or Texas (1 box).
The Big Ten is the Ohio State/Michigan winner versus Iowa (5 boxes of 8), Purdue (2 boxes) or Illinois (1 box).
The Pac Twelve is USC versus Oregon (12 boxes of 16), Washington (3 boxes) or Utah (1 box). Oregon is considered the top seed with a win next week.
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Old 11-20-2022, 09:01 AM   #1314
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That looks like it covers all the bases, Jim. It is interesting this year we don't have a non-P5 dark-horse.

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Old 11-20-2022, 10:26 AM   #1315
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Where would Tulane be if they had not lost twice? They'd have wins against K-State, Cincinnati, Central Florida, and Houston - of teams that could be ranked or receiving votes.

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Old 11-20-2022, 02:31 PM   #1316
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Also, tell me that the Gibby rumors are just rumors. Please.

Sounds like Chun is still the favorite.

FWIW, Rich/Gibby isn't happening if Chun is the AD hire.
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Old 11-20-2022, 05:04 PM   #1317
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Hooker officially tore his ACL and is done. I hate that for the kid.

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Old 11-20-2022, 06:41 PM   #1318
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Trying to come up with some sort of ranking system based on possible outcomes that follows the committee's rules...

Note that the same team can occupy multiple places. I've ended the ranking when there are four different teams in, guaranteed.

1. Undefeated SEC Champion (Georgia)
2. Undefeated Big Ten Champion (Ohio State or Michigan)
3. Undefeated Big Twelve Champion (TCU)
4. 1-Loss SEC Champion or Runner-Up (Georgia)
5. 1-Loss Pac Twelve Champion (USC)

(since 1 and 4 are the same team, the above results are guaranteed playoff spots)

6. 1-Loss Big Ten Runner-Up (Ohio State or Michigan)
7. 1-Loss ACC Champion (Clemson)
8. 2-Loss SEC Champion (LSU)
9. 1-Loss Big Twelve Champion or Runner-Up (TCU)
10. 1-Loss Big Ten Lucky Loser (Ohio State or Michigan)

(this almost certainly fills all four spots, but since nine different teams can occupy 9-12 and my system gives them fairly similar scores, significantly below the top eight, I'm including all 12)

11. 2-Loss Pac Twelve Champion (USC, Oregon, Utah or Washington)
12. 2-Loss SEC Lucky Loser (Tennessee, then Alabama)


For the conference championships (I hope I've done this correctly):

The ACC is Clemson versus North Carolina.
The SEC is Georgia versus LSU.
The Big Twelve is TCU versus Kansas State (3 boxes of 4) or Texas (1 box).
The Big Ten is the Ohio State/Michigan winner versus Iowa (5 boxes of 8), Purdue (2 boxes) or Illinois (1 box).
The Pac Twelve is USC versus Oregon (12 boxes of 16), Washington (3 boxes) or Utah (1 box). Oregon is considered the top seed with a win next week.

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Old 11-20-2022, 07:25 PM   #1319
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What about the B1G West division winner? Surely 4 losses means nothing.
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Old 11-20-2022, 07:47 PM   #1320
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Sounds like Chun is still the favorite.

FWIW, Rich/Gibby isn't happening if Chun is the AD hire.

I have since heard that the biggest reason Lions was fired is that he super into compliance and did not want to collaborate a whole lot with boosters and the Country Roads Trust to use NLI for recruiting and retaining. Also heard that the new , mid season basketball recruit is walking on but is earning enough from NLI to pay his own tuition. Seems shady, but it sounds like Huggs is doing his own thing already.
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Old 11-20-2022, 09:09 PM   #1321
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Where would Tulane be if they had not lost twice? They'd have wins against K-State, Cincinnati, Central Florida, and Houston - of teams that could be ranked or receiving votes.

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It's impossible to conceive of a fair system that picks only four of 131 schools. Teams play such variant schedules. The argument against the mid-majors is always going to be that the top teams don't get tested with mid-range conference opponents. Top-to-bottom, they have schedule strengths far below any major conference school.

Even the weakest schedule from a "contending" school, Clemson's, ranks 19 places above Tulane's, which, of course, would rank even lower if it had won those two games. North Carolina, which also has two losses, is not a contender and only has a slightly stronger schedule than Tulane's so far (that will rise in two weeks).

But a mid-major does not have any opportunity to play a representative schedule. So there's no fair way to include them and no opportunity to give them a fair chance of inclusion.

Like many aspects of sports, particularly college sports, we pretend a lot when we determine champions. Expanding the playoff field will help, but the same arguments will exist.
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Old 11-20-2022, 09:23 PM   #1322
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Man - no comments about that USC-UCLA game last night?? That was about the most entertaining shit I've seen all season. I was really impressed by both teams - lack of defenses notwithstanding. But both D's made a few plays throughout the evening. Was cool to see the old Rose Bowl bouncing around like that again.


Highly entertaining game.
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Old 11-20-2022, 09:29 PM   #1323
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Those late games just don't get the eyeballs. I was long asleep before that game was over.

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Old 11-20-2022, 09:30 PM   #1324
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You missed a good one, gramps.
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Old 11-20-2022, 09:36 PM   #1325
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No doubt. If I am up past 11, then either someone is dying or the house is on fire.

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Old 11-21-2022, 09:37 AM   #1326
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Christ I hate the PAC 12. Apple Cup is on 10:30 Saturday night.
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Old 11-21-2022, 09:54 AM   #1327
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I even hate 8pm games these days. Especially when FSU is playing - I have no interest in being either pissed off or amped up at 11:30pm.

Speaking of which, I had no idea they moved the FSU/UF game to Friday night. That kinda sucks - but on a positive note, it'll be over before the weekend so I can either completely forget about it or be in a good mood 2 more days. And my brother (who went to UF) will be here to watch the game with us. He's already said they have no chance so if we struggle or don't win, it'll be a bunch of "you guys/ACC must really suck if you can't beat this shitty UF team" vibes, I'm sure.
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Old 11-21-2022, 07:44 PM   #1328
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Lane Kiffin is leaving Ole Miss to go to Auburn. Will be announced soon.

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Old 11-21-2022, 07:50 PM   #1329
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Makes no difference to the Hogs!

Must be a nice increase.
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Old 11-21-2022, 08:26 PM   #1330
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Old 11-21-2022, 09:00 PM   #1331
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Cancelled. Will be the first break in the series since 1970.

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Old 11-21-2022, 09:25 PM   #1332
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Old 11-21-2022, 09:33 PM   #1333
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Right thing to do

Eh, I'm content to say that it's not my call to make and whatever the team decided is right for them.
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Old 11-21-2022, 09:34 PM   #1334
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Old 11-22-2022, 01:15 PM   #1335
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Maybe I am missing something in the story but this seems a bit over the top. It would be different if the kid directed it at someone, or hell even if he made up the rap, but just singing along? I dunno, seems to feed the fire of "wokeness gone amuck"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/marcus-...revoked-video/
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Old 11-22-2022, 01:49 PM   #1336
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I don’t pay much attention to recruiting, but friends that do are convinced this wouldn’t have happened unless UF flipped some better QB.
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Old 11-22-2022, 01:53 PM   #1337
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I don’t pay much attention to recruiting, but friends that do are convinced this wouldn’t have happened unless UF flipped some better QB.
Either this, or there were other issues and this was the final straw. I don't think that alone would have done him in.
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Old 11-22-2022, 01:59 PM   #1338
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I typed my response poorly. UF did in fact flip a better qb
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Old 11-22-2022, 06:38 PM   #1339
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Maybe I'm going nuts, but as a Michigan fan I want them to lose on Saturday. The Illinois game just really left a bad taste in my mouth. The wrong team won. Illinois deserved to win that game.

Yes that happens in sport, the best team is often not the one that wins. If they play 10x Michigan probably wins 8-9. But on the day, on the road, Illinois outplayed Michigan. If they beat Ohio State and make the playoff, it will feel empty to me because I don't think they deserve it this year.

Top 10 for sure, dominant at many moments, credit to all they've done, but beyond that is more iffy.
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Old 11-22-2022, 07:33 PM   #1340
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I'm quite hesitant to go with the hot take and dismiss this as insanity. But I don't agree.

Michigan rested every remotely dinged-up player, including several difference-makers. Their Heisman-level running back uncharacteristically fumbled in the red zone on a play in which he became the next dinged-up player to take a long rest. If they had scored then, it's a different game in the third quarter.

Rushing was 34-148 for Illinois, 40-168 for Michigan. Passing was 21-30-178 for Illinois, 18-34-208 for Michigan. That one turnover makes this a statistically even game. Having the top kicker in the country go 4-for-4 on a very windy day earned Michigan the victory.

Give Illinois credit. A good team that came into Ann Arbor and played hard. I have no doubt Bielema has turned the program around. But Michigan, in its first remotely even game statistically, found a way to win. Compare that to other top teams - sometimes they have mediocre games.

Given what it would mean to Michigan to go into Columbus and win on Saturday, I can't imagine not wanting a big win. Also, I think even with a loss to Illinois, beating Ohio State and then with another win in the Big Ten championship (hardly a given), they would be in the playoff easily.

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Old 11-22-2022, 08:32 PM   #1341
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If you're rooting for a college team to lose then you aren't a real fan. You can justify a pro team losing because of draft compensation, etc....but literally no downside to a college team losing except maybe in hopes the coach gets replaced, but that obviously isn't the case with UM.
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Old 11-22-2022, 09:56 PM   #1342
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Given what it would mean to Michigan to go into Columbus and win on Saturday, I can't imagine not wanting a big win. Also, I think even with a loss to Illinois, beating Ohio State and then with another win in the Big Ten championship (hardly a given), they would be in the playoff easily.

Hmm, by 3:00 Saturday this is all moot. Michigan will lose by DD to Ohio St. who will go on to play a lame, weak ass B10 West 4 loss team they will be favored by more than 2 tds.

But ..........thats why they play the games.


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Old 11-22-2022, 11:42 PM   #1343
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What I wrote late Saturday...

1. Undefeated SEC Champion (Georgia)
2. Undefeated Big Ten Champion (Ohio State or Michigan)
3. Undefeated Big Twelve Champion (TCU)
4. 1-Loss SEC Champion or Runner-Up (Georgia)
5. 1-Loss Pac Twelve Champion (USC)

(since 1 and 4 are the same team, the above results are guaranteed playoff spots)

6. 1-Loss Big Ten Runner-Up (Ohio State or Michigan)
7. 1-Loss ACC Champion (Clemson)
8. 2-Loss SEC Champion (LSU)
9. 1-Loss Big Twelve Champion or Runner-Up (TCU)
10. 1-Loss Big Ten Lucky Loser (Ohio State or Michigan)

(this almost certainly fills all four spots, but since nine different teams can occupy 9-12 and my system gives them fairly similar scores, significantly below the top eight, I'm including all 12)

11. 2-Loss Pac Twelve Champion (USC, Oregon, Utah or Washington)
12. 2-Loss SEC Lucky Loser (Tennessee, then Alabama)

What the committee thinks....

1. Undefeated SEC Champion (Georgia)
2. Undefeated Big Ten Champion (Ohio State or Michigan)
3. Undefeated Big Twelve Champion (TCU)
4. 1-Loss SEC Champion or Runner-Up (Georgia)
5. 2-Loss SEC Champion (LSU)

That could get them to four teams, so those are the teams that "control their own destiny" as of right now.

6. 1-Loss Pac Twelve Champion (USC)

It gets a little tricky here. They are separating Alabama and Tennessee

7. 2-Loss SEC Lucky Loser (Alabama - it's like those '80s horror films where you just can't kill the beast)
8. 1-Loss Big Ten Runner-Up (Ohio State or Michigan)
9. 1-Loss ACC Champion (Clemson)
10. 2-Loss Pac Twelve Champion (USC or Oregon, but not Utah or Washington)
11. 2-Loss SEC Lucky Loser (Tennessee)

It gets very unlikely at this point

12. 1-Loss Big Twelve Champion or Runner-Up (TCU)
13. 1-Loss Big Ten Lucky Loser (Ohio State or Michigan)
14. 2-Loss Pac Twelve Champion (Utah or Washington)

It's obvious from the latest rankings that the committee is a little more SEC-oriented than I had expected.

Regarding The Game... sure, OSU will be favored by at least 40-50 points. If it's even close, that's a huge victory for Michigan. They just don't have the secondary or really the pass rush to deal with the talent in OSU's passing game.

But there's always hope - it has been very obvious all season long that Michigan has kept certain parts of its offense and defense under wraps - the advantage of a schedule that turned out to be a lot less challenging than it should have been.

Will Stroud go #1? I think #2. Bryce Young's looking more like the #1 pick right now. Could change with the bowls, though.
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Old 11-23-2022, 01:52 AM   #1344
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Bryce Young is going to have to be put on a rack to measure 6' at the combine, and when people really break down his game they are going to find he doesn't do a good job picking up the edge rush. If he goes number one, that is going to be a large wiff.

On the rest, I think you read it right except maybe the committee will not drop a 1 loss Big Ten championship loser if it is a close game.

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Old 11-24-2022, 08:37 AM   #1345
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Because he didn't flat out say "I'm staying", I think he's gone.

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Kiffin as a rule doesn't respond to coaching rumors, but sources told ESPN that he felt as if he owed it to his players and their parents to formally address the situation after a report surfaced Monday by WCBI-TV in Columbus, Mississippi, that Kiffin planned to step down Friday and head to Auburn. WCBI-TV also reported that Auburn had yet to officially offer the job to anyone.
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Old 11-24-2022, 09:33 AM   #1346
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Right. He hadn't accepted it as of this moment.

Same thing about the stunt he pulled with the reporter that I posted above. It was funny, but the main purpose of it was to deflect from the fact that he didn't deny it was true.
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Old 11-24-2022, 07:17 PM   #1347
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I just put something together. There was a rumor that Auburn would announce their hire in Friday. I didn't think about the fact at the time that Ole Miss was playing Thursday. Was just slow not noticing that was an obvious hint the rumour was about Lane, since they were playing Thursday?

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Old 11-24-2022, 10:27 PM   #1348
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Ole Miss just got screwed by the officials on that one. I suspect the fumble would be correct ruling but if you blew the play dead then it's tough business to penalize the offense for not trying to recover it.
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Old 11-24-2022, 10:59 PM   #1349
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Old 11-25-2022, 08:47 AM   #1350
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And another OMG TOP TEN team winds up at 8-4 after all is said and done.
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