Werewolf XX - Of Demons and Elementals (Humans Win!) - Page 14

TazFTW · 12-30-2005, 10:48 PM

We have a duke?

Poli · 12-30-2005, 10:48 PM

You know what I've been thinking...I haven't seen grammaticus almost all day.

Poli · 12-30-2005, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Grammaticus

I'm about to head out for a while, maybe the rest of the evening. So I would like to get a vote out there. I still cannot read much other than Saldana seems on the up and up. I have a lot of distrust for the quiter ones that are laying underneath it all. So I want to vote for one of them.

VOTE WVUFAN

I'm still suspicious of the vote shifts that occurred on day one. So Dacman and Blade worry me a bit. If the shift was not to Scmitty I would feel a lot worse.

Never mind. Found the reason.

Poli · 12-30-2005, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Warning: Do not PM with the dead players. They may still have an active role in this game after being executed. And if you ARE killed, don't go away. You may still have a part to play.

While we're waiting on these blasted night actions...which probably won't even show up tonight... anyone got any ideas what roles the dead could play?

edit: removed a word

Blade6119 · 12-30-2005, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

While we're waiting on these blasted night actions...which probably won't even show up tonight... anyone got any ideas what roles the dead could play?

edit: removed a word

Biggest one i could think ok is elementals bringing back the dead...it could be a nice big favor

Poli · 12-30-2005, 10:59 PM

Hmm. I'd buy that for a dollar.

WVUFAN · 12-30-2005, 11:00 PM

This has been a really strange and interesting game so far. As for what the dead can do -- maybe I'll get a chance to find out firsthand. :-)

Blade6119 · 12-30-2005, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WVUFAN

This has been a really strange and interesting game so far. As for what the dead can do -- maybe I'll get a chance to find out firsthand. :-)

Id say 50-50 between me and you...fortunately neither of us has great roles, just minor lynch decision roles

Passacaglia · 12-30-2005, 11:09 PM

Wow. I don't look for a couple hours, and I miss two pages of stuff? That's a lot to chew on. I tend to trust Blade -- I don't see his move as wolf-like.

Passacaglia · 12-30-2005, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Uh oh...so who incurs the elemental's wrath?

Just re-thinking this. Dacman is normal now, right, so he can't use the vigilante-type role anymore?

Blade6119 · 12-30-2005, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Just re-thinking this. Dacman is normal now, right, so he can't use the vigilante-type role anymore?

I believe so

Passacaglia · 12-30-2005, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Dacman, do you have anything that you would like to share about how favors have worked up to this point? If your goals happen to align with the human goals on that topic then I would certainly be intrigued to hear your thoughts as we know your status at this point.

I'd like to make sure this question doesn't get lost in the fray, as I'm in total agreement. Maybe now that dacman's been taken down a peg, he can shed some light on this? Although I doubt it, and understand if he wants to keep his mouth closed.

Poli · 12-30-2005, 11:35 PM

Dacman, you're my boy, blue!

Blade6119 · 12-30-2005, 11:40 PM

tick tock tick tock, come on night roles...if im going to die id like to do it now while im awake so i dont wake up in the morning pissed off

Poli · 12-30-2005, 11:45 PM

While we're on that subject, I've always felt the GM should PM the dead to let them know they are, in fact, dead.

It would help tremendously, in my opinion.

Passacaglia · 12-30-2005, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

While we're on that subject, I've always felt the GM should PM the dead to let them know they are, in fact, dead.

It would help tremendously, in my opinion.

Yeah...reminds me of that one game where Marc Vaughan got lynched, but kept trying to defend himself, before finding out two pages later he was offed. I think that was my first WW game, kinda neat!

Poli · 12-30-2005, 11:55 PM

That was funny. I remember that.

TazFTW · 12-31-2005, 12:02 AM

Pass had post #666, Ardent had reply #666. I think we know our demons now.

Coffee Warlord · 12-31-2005, 12:02 AM

This night does not go as smoothly as the last. Which is to say...yeah. Has any day or night been smooth?

The sun is just about to rise, and you realize you are missing not one, but two of your number. Kingfc simply cannot be awakened from his bed. Looking closer, you realize why: he's not breathing. No marks of any kind mar his body, his body simply failed in the night. Poison is suspected, and when traces of one nasty such substance are found at the bottom of his wine up, confirmed.

The scene in Saldana's room is far more violent. There are obvious signs up a brief struggle, and one lovely bone-handled dagger is found square in Saldana's back. A short note is attached to the knife which says simply "Kick me in the nuts, will you!".

And yes...the Druid and Warlock were at it again last night. This scene however, looks strangely familiar. A very familiar trout in a very familiar rectum is seen nailed to a board. The only difference from last night is this one doesn't stink as much.

Okay, perhaps it wasn't exactly the same. The Rhino offered up to the elementals...well, it looks like someone tried to dress up the poor beast like an oversized penguin. It has been painted black and white, and a lump of cheese has been attached to its faced as a makeshift beak. Have the intermediaries with the elementals totally lost their minds?

Having seen the bizarre-ness out front, you commence a search of Kingfc's and Saldana's rooms. Kingfc's room is very troubling indeed. You find various strange items, including a small altar, a crystal ball, and a whole slew of candles/herbs/potions/etc. Saldana's is far less interesting, with a collection of musical instruments and a rather impressive supply of daggers.

HOLIDAY TIME! HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Active List
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1 Ardent Enthusiast
2 Blade6119
3 Schmidty, Human, Lynched Day 1
4 Dacman (Elemental)
5 Hoopsguy
6 SnDvls
7 Passacaglia
8 Path12
9 St.Cronin
10 Grammaticus
11 TazFTW
12 Saldana, Human, Murdered Night 2
13 WVUFAN
14 Kingfc22, Human, Poisoned in his Sleep Night 2
15 Barkeep49
16 dubb93

Poli · 12-31-2005, 12:02 AM

Funny.

Edit: That was to Taz.

Blade6119 · 12-31-2005, 12:05 AM

well king was a good role, a special one it seems...who poisened him?

Poli · 12-31-2005, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Having seen the bizarre-ness out front, you commence a search of Kingfc's and Saldana's rooms. Kingfc's room is very troubling indeed. You find various strange items, including a small altar, a crystal ball, and a whole slew of candles/herbs/potions/etc. Saldana's is far less interesting, with a collection of musical instruments and a rather impressive supply of daggers.

1. CW...what's the schedule for the New Year again?

2. Kingfc22...druid or warlock? I'm leaning warlock...with the crystal ball, maybe? Druids...I always picture hanging out with trees and stuff.

3. Saldana was telling the truth this whole time. Salute.

Blade6119 · 12-31-2005, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Active List
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14 Kingfc22, Human, Poisoned in his Sleep Night 2

Is that obvious ardent?

TazFTW · 12-31-2005, 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

2. Kingfc22...druid or warlock? I'm leaning warlock...with the crystal ball, maybe? Druids...I always picture hanging out with trees and stuff.

That was my first thought. However,

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Originally Posted by CW Post#1

Most players have a special role, though some do not. The special roles will NOT be revealed on death (on either side), with the exception of the Druid/Warlock. Note, special role or not, the SIDE the player is on will be revealed, just not their powers (if any). Also note, players without a special role MAY gain a special power during the course of the game, if certain things happen.

So king was not a druid/warlock.

Coffee Warlord · 12-31-2005, 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

1. CW...what's the schedule for the New Year again?

Well, I'm throwing the aforementioned party, and expect to be hungover on the first, and I know a few folks have already said they are gonna be gone, so let's shoot for 10am, Jan 2nd as the lynch deadline. This may be extended depending on people's schedules, but hopefully it'll allow plenty of time for everyone to be around to participate.

Poli · 12-31-2005, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

Is that obvious ardent?

It is now.

I skipped over the blue stuff.

Poli · 12-31-2005, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

That was my first thought. However,

So king was not a druid/warlock.

Your and blade's observations make me realize I'm really really tired.
I should be sleeping.

Blade6119 · 12-31-2005, 12:13 AM

i have a bad feeling were down a seer now...

st.cronin · 12-31-2005, 12:19 AM

I'm more confused than ever.

Barkeep49 · 12-31-2005, 12:27 AM

Let me just say that I would have been mighty pissed futzing around with my network like I did, after spending good time doing the vote update, only to find myself dead. Anywho I have added new information today. Next to the vote is the current number of votes that person had. The lines with no info are unvotes. Perhaps tomorrow I will give explanations, where approrpriate, for those as well. Also not that it matters now but King was today's only no vote.

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Originally Posted by Day 2

*1 Ardent Enthusiast*	Hoopsguy	Believes asking elements to out themselves is bad for humans	Hoops 1
2 Blade6119	hoopsguy	Recgonizes hoops move of trying to out secret role from previous game	Hoops 2
16 dubb93	Blade	Was suspect yesterday and doesn't like his play today	Blade 1
15 Barkeep49	Taz	Weak Day 1 vote; quiet	Taz 1
*12 Saldana*	Wvufan	Belives demons attack him would be the play of a new player	WVU 1
*9 St.Cronin*	wvufan	Saldanas play is too dumb for a demon to make so soon	Wvu 2
			Hoops 1
*6 SnDvls*	Dacman	Is quiet and narrowly escpaed yesterday	Dac 1
10 Grammaticus	wvufan	Voting for quiet one	Wvu 3
			Hoops 0
Blade	Saldana	Doesn't believe saldanas story	Saldana 1
Ardent	Grammaticus	No reason given	Gram 1
			Dac 0
			Wvu 2
			Gram 0
13 WVUFAN	saldana	No reason given; seems to be trying to save himself	Saldana 2
Ardent	wvufan	WVUFan is screwed either way	Wvu 3
			Wvu 2
			WvU 1
5 Hoopsguy	Kingfc	Voting fro absent guy	King 1
4 Dacman	Taz	Voting for quiet one	Taz 2
WvuFan	Dacman	No reason given; later posts believes he is trying to fly under the radar	Dac 1
SnDvls	Blade	Pushed for role reveal; believes saldana	Blade 2
11 TazFTW	Dacman	Self preservation; trusts WVU	Dac 2
Saldana	dacman	Is backing known good guy	Dac3
St. Cronin	Blade	Thinks saldana and WVU are humans	Blade 3
			Dac 2
			Saldana 1
Blade	dacman	Trying to save self	Dac 3
saldana	St cronin	Going back to original suspects	St. cronin 1
7 Passacaglia	St. Cronin	Doesn't think another vote for dacman is needed	St. cronin 2
Ardent	st cronin	No reason given	St. cronin 3
			Blade 2
St. cronin	dacman	No reason given	Dac 4
8 Path12	St. Cronin	Unvote of Blade that finally made him decide	St. Cronin 4

Barkeep49 · 12-31-2005, 12:30 AM

The whole sacrafice thing confuses the heck out of me, but I think it's pretty clear that saldana was killed by the wolves and king likely by a villager one time kill, although it could be some other kind of kill, perhaps elemental, though I would think they would work in ways more sutble than poisen.

TazFTW · 12-31-2005, 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Just re-thinking this. Dacman is normal now, right, so he can't use the vigilante-type role anymore?

I think dacman could still kill.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CW post#1

(In plain english, elementals ignore the first lynch vote OR night kill directed their way. Their role is revealed when it happens, and then they are just as vulnerable as anyone else. In futher plain english, they also have a once-per-game-per-elemental power to flat out kill another player.)

It doesn't mention when a former elemental could use their kill power but it reads to me that each elemental can kill if found out.

I'm thinking king was killed by dacman because saldana had that "kick me in the nuts, will you" note and I would think that would be from a demon.

Barkeep49 · 12-31-2005, 12:32 AM

I hadn't considered dacman being killed by king. That's an interesting idea Taz especially as we do not know dac's secret role at this point. Regardless of who killed whom I am not a Demon on Day 3.

Poli · 12-31-2005, 12:34 AM

Screw it. I'm not a demon or an elemental on Day 3.

path12 · 12-31-2005, 12:48 AM

Man, this is confusing. I just wanted to say I'll be out of town until late afternoon on the 1st, so you won't hear back from me until then. Not that I'll have a clue at that point either.

I am not a demon or an elemental on day 3.

And Happy New Year.

Poli · 12-31-2005, 12:50 AM

Voting before I finally go to sleep.

VOTE ST.CRONIN

saldana · 12-31-2005, 12:58 AM

damn, two games in a row i dont make it past day 2........is this how blade ususally feels....good luck guys...i will be posting sign ups for game 20 after the holidays.

Blade6119 · 12-31-2005, 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana

damn, two games in a row i dont make it past day 2........is this how blade ususally feels....

Yes, its exactly how i usually feel...doesnt it suck?

saldana · 12-31-2005, 02:02 AM

..........

hoopsguy · 12-31-2005, 08:17 AM

I don't get why the demons would go after Saldana again. They knew his role and that he had no special power to go after them. The only way that makes sense is if they were trying to frame Cronin, since WVU has been exonerated.

Thus, my new trust list:
1st Tier: WVU, Dacman
2nd tier: Cronin, Blade, Dubb

I think we had an assassin role act last night against Kingfc. Which would mean that the demons got lucky again, as a human killed a human. I don't think that an elemental acted against us with a kill - which means they still have two remaining kills to use for their still to-be-determined purposes.

Interesting that the claim has transformed today to demon or elemental - I'm not either one of these.

And for everyone who was looking for the seer to exonerate them last night, it seems that there is a pretty decent chance that option has been lost to us.

All in all, the demons are throwing close to a perfect game so far.

hoopsguy · 12-31-2005, 08:32 AM

My initial thought for today would be to allow Blade to demonstrate the role that he has positioned us to believe he has. If it does come down to that, then there are seven players left up for grabs that I count:

Ardent
SnDvls
Pass
Path
Gram
Taz
Barkeep

Three of these guys are demons (one as warlock) if Blade is not a demon. So even a random pick by Blade results in a 40+% likelihood of bagging a bad guy. Hopefully with a couple of days for people to discuss this we are able to move that probability up, not down.

I recognize that all of these assumptions are based upon my trust list being 100% accurate. I'm very confident that it is, but I know that is a huge leap of faith for other players to make. And I know that there are a couple of demons out there who have zero interest in seeing the other humans/elementals trust my list.

hoopsguy · 12-31-2005, 08:37 AM

Down to 13 players right now.
2 are elementals.
Assumed that 3 are demons, with one as warlock

8 humans
3 demons
2 elementals

Random chance of getting a demon today = 3/13 = 23%
Chance of my play above getting a demon today = 3/7 = 43%

Obviously we are at a stage in the game where we have some information to go on which should help us have a better than random shot of success. But we also have parties who are going to feed disinformation that is mixed in with that information.

I really think my idea makes the most sense. It has 100% chance of hitting a demon if Blade is lying about his role - I'm assuming he is not an elemental because he isn't one. And it almost doubles our chances of hitting a demon if Blade is telling the truth about his role.

Poli · 12-31-2005, 08:39 AM

I'd have to agree that I think the demons got to be loving life right now. I'm so ticked off and frustrated. 3 of us down and a "normalized" elemental (love ya, dacman). NOT ONE FRIGGIN DEMON. Gah. It makes me sick. I think I even dreamed about it last night. I can't believe I stayed up waiting for night actions. GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGAH.

Top it off that someone thought they were doing the right thing with killing kingfc22, most likely our friggin seer. That person might as well come out and explain themselves.

I agree in hindsight that st.cronin may have been setup. I just can't believe we've been this unsuccessful thus far.

UNVOTE ST.CRONIN

Poli · 12-31-2005, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I recognize that all of these assumptions are based upon my trust list being 100% accurate. I'm very confident that it is, but I know that is a huge leap of faith for other players to make. And I know that there are a couple of demons out there who have zero interest in seeing the other humans/elementals trust my list.

Based on your "trust list" and yourself being a human as well.

hoopsguy · 12-31-2005, 08:42 AM

The only other reason I can think of for the demons to hit Saldana last night is that they knew what they were getting (not an elemental). If that was their selection criteria then they had their pick between Saldana and WVU and took Saldana.

hoopsguy · 12-31-2005, 08:43 AM

AE, I'm counting on the other humans to either buy into my plan or not. I know it isn't a good plan for the demons, relative to random.

Poli · 12-31-2005, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Down to 13 players right now.
2 are elementals.
Assumed that 3 are demons, with one as warlock

8 humans
3 demons
2 elementals

Random chance of getting a demon today = 3/13 = 23%
Chance of my play above getting a demon today = 3/7 = 43%

Chance if you're wrong about something, we send blade up to use his role = 3/12 = 25%

Sorry, hoops, your reasoning seems fine, but I'm not ready to trust anyone outside of blade, WVU, and maybe Taz.

Poli · 12-31-2005, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

The only other reason I can think of for the demons to hit Saldana last night is that they knew what they were getting (not an elemental). If that was their selection criteria then they had their pick between Saldana and WVU and took Saldana.

I suppose that's a reasonable idea. Sure makes for some easy pickings for the demons for night actions, I'd suppose.

Poli · 12-31-2005, 08:46 AM

Based on that, I don't want an explanation from whomever killed kingfc22.

Stay in friggin hiding.

Poli · 12-31-2005, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

AE, I'm counting on the other humans to either buy into my plan or not. I know it isn't a good plan for the demons, relative to random.

Count me as one of those not ready to buy into the plan, then.

12-30-2005, 10:48 PM	#652
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	You know what I've been thinking...I haven't seen grammaticus almost all day. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

12-30-2005, 10:59 PM	#656
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Hmm. I'd buy that for a dollar. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

12-30-2005, 11:35 PM	#663
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Dacman, you're my boy, blue! __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

12-30-2005, 11:40 PM	#664
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	tick tock tick tock, come on night roles...if im going to die id like to do it now while im awake so i dont wake up in the morning pissed off __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

12-30-2005, 11:45 PM	#665
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	While we're on that subject, I've always felt the GM should PM the dead to let them know they are, in fact, dead. It would help tremendously, in my opinion. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

12-30-2005, 10:48 PM	#651
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	We have a duke?

12-30-2005, 11:00 PM	#657
WVUFAN College Starter Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Huntington, WV	This has been a really strange and interesting game so far. As for what the dead can do -- maybe I'll get a chance to find out firsthand. :-)

12-30-2005, 11:09 PM	#659
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Wow. I don't look for a couple hours, and I miss two pages of stuff? That's a lot to chew on. I tend to trust Blade -- I don't see his move as wolf-like.

12-30-2005, 11:55 PM	#667
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	That was funny. I remember that. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

12-31-2005, 12:02 AM	#668
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Pass had post #666, Ardent had reply #666. I think we know our demons now.

12-31-2005, 12:02 AM	#669
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	This night does not go as smoothly as the last. Which is to say...yeah. Has any day or night been smooth? The sun is just about to rise, and you realize you are missing not one, but two of your number. Kingfc simply cannot be awakened from his bed. Looking closer, you realize why: he's not breathing. No marks of any kind mar his body, his body simply failed in the night. Poison is suspected, and when traces of one nasty such substance are found at the bottom of his wine up, confirmed. The scene in Saldana's room is far more violent. There are obvious signs up a brief struggle, and one lovely bone-handled dagger is found square in Saldana's back. A short note is attached to the knife which says simply "Kick me in the nuts, will you!". And yes...the Druid and Warlock were at it again last night. This scene however, looks strangely familiar. A very familiar trout in a very familiar rectum is seen nailed to a board. The only difference from last night is this one doesn't stink as much. Okay, perhaps it wasn't exactly the same. The Rhino offered up to the elementals...well, it looks like someone tried to dress up the poor beast like an oversized penguin. It has been painted black and white, and a lump of cheese has been attached to its faced as a makeshift beak. Have the intermediaries with the elementals totally lost their minds? Having seen the bizarre-ness out front, you commence a search of Kingfc's and Saldana's rooms. Kingfc's room is very troubling indeed. You find various strange items, including a small altar, a crystal ball, and a whole slew of candles/herbs/potions/etc. Saldana's is far less interesting, with a collection of musical instruments and a rather impressive supply of daggers. HOLIDAY TIME! HAPPY NEW YEAR! Active List ----------- 1 Ardent Enthusiast 2 Blade6119 3 Schmidty, Human, Lynched Day 1 4 Dacman (Elemental) 5 Hoopsguy 6 SnDvls 7 Passacaglia 8 Path12 9 St.Cronin 10 Grammaticus 11 TazFTW 12 Saldana, Human, Murdered Night 2 13 WVUFAN 14 Kingfc22, Human, Poisoned in his Sleep Night 2 15 Barkeep49 16 dubb93 Last edited by Coffee Warlord : 12-31-2005 at 12:04 AM.

12-31-2005, 12:02 AM	#670
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Funny. Edit: That was to Taz. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum. Last edited by Poli : 12-31-2005 at 12:03 AM.

12-31-2005, 12:05 AM	#671
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	well king was a good role, a special one it seems...who poisened him? __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

12-31-2005, 12:13 AM	#678
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	i have a bad feeling were down a seer now... __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

12-31-2005, 12:19 AM	#679
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I'm more confused than ever. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

12-31-2005, 12:30 AM	#681
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	The whole sacrafice thing confuses the heck out of me, but I think it's pretty clear that saldana was killed by the wolves and king likely by a villager one time kill, although it could be some other kind of kill, perhaps elemental, though I would think they would work in ways more sutble than poisen.

12-31-2005, 12:32 AM	#683
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I hadn't considered dacman being killed by king. That's an interesting idea Taz especially as we do not know dac's secret role at this point. Regardless of who killed whom I am not a Demon on Day 3.

12-31-2005, 12:34 AM	#684
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Screw it. I'm not a demon or an elemental on Day 3. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

12-31-2005, 12:48 AM	#685
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Man, this is confusing. I just wanted to say I'll be out of town until late afternoon on the 1st, so you won't hear back from me until then. Not that I'll have a clue at that point either. I am not a demon or an elemental on day 3. And Happy New Year. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

12-31-2005, 12:50 AM	#686
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Voting before I finally go to sleep. VOTE ST.CRONIN __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

12-31-2005, 12:58 AM	#687
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	damn, two games in a row i dont make it past day 2........is this how blade ususally feels....good luck guys...i will be posting sign ups for game 20 after the holidays.

12-31-2005, 02:02 AM	#689
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	..........

12-31-2005, 08:17 AM	#690
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I don't get why the demons would go after Saldana again. They knew his role and that he had no special power to go after them. The only way that makes sense is if they were trying to frame Cronin, since WVU has been exonerated. Thus, my new trust list: 1st Tier: WVU, Dacman 2nd tier: Cronin, Blade, Dubb I think we had an assassin role act last night against Kingfc. Which would mean that the demons got lucky again, as a human killed a human. I don't think that an elemental acted against us with a kill - which means they still have two remaining kills to use for their still to-be-determined purposes. Interesting that the claim has transformed today to demon or elemental - I'm not either one of these. And for everyone who was looking for the seer to exonerate them last night, it seems that there is a pretty decent chance that option has been lost to us. All in all, the demons are throwing close to a perfect game so far.

12-31-2005, 08:32 AM	#691
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	My initial thought for today would be to allow Blade to demonstrate the role that he has positioned us to believe he has. If it does come down to that, then there are seven players left up for grabs that I count: Ardent SnDvls Pass Path Gram Taz Barkeep Three of these guys are demons (one as warlock) if Blade is not a demon. So even a random pick by Blade results in a 40+% likelihood of bagging a bad guy. Hopefully with a couple of days for people to discuss this we are able to move that probability up, not down. I recognize that all of these assumptions are based upon my trust list being 100% accurate. I'm very confident that it is, but I know that is a huge leap of faith for other players to make. And I know that there are a couple of demons out there who have zero interest in seeing the other humans/elementals trust my list.

12-31-2005, 08:37 AM	#692
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Down to 13 players right now. 2 are elementals. Assumed that 3 are demons, with one as warlock 8 humans 3 demons 2 elementals Random chance of getting a demon today = 3/13 = 23% Chance of my play above getting a demon today = 3/7 = 43% Obviously we are at a stage in the game where we have some information to go on which should help us have a better than random shot of success. But we also have parties who are going to feed disinformation that is mixed in with that information. I really think my idea makes the most sense. It has 100% chance of hitting a demon if Blade is lying about his role - I'm assuming he is not an elemental because he isn't one. And it almost doubles our chances of hitting a demon if Blade is telling the truth about his role.

12-31-2005, 08:39 AM	#693
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I'd have to agree that I think the demons got to be loving life right now. I'm so ticked off and frustrated. 3 of us down and a "normalized" elemental (love ya, dacman). NOT ONE FRIGGIN DEMON. Gah. It makes me sick. I think I even dreamed about it last night. I can't believe I stayed up waiting for night actions. GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGAH. Top it off that someone thought they were doing the right thing with killing kingfc22, most likely our friggin seer. That person might as well come out and explain themselves. I agree in hindsight that st.cronin may have been setup. I just can't believe we've been this unsuccessful thus far. UNVOTE ST.CRONIN __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

12-31-2005, 08:42 AM	#695
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	The only other reason I can think of for the demons to hit Saldana last night is that they knew what they were getting (not an elemental). If that was their selection criteria then they had their pick between Saldana and WVU and took Saldana.

12-31-2005, 08:43 AM	#696
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	AE, I'm counting on the other humans to either buy into my plan or not. I know it isn't a good plan for the demons, relative to random.

12-31-2005, 08:46 AM	#699
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Based on that, I don't want an explanation from whomever killed kingfc22. Stay in friggin hiding. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

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