Werewolf XX - Of Demons and Elementals (Humans Win!)

[Poli]

I wonder what would happen if we were all tied. Would the elementals draw straws?

[dacman]

Well, I'm here -- I had no idea this game would get started so soon. I still can't quite figure out exactly how this one works, particularly the elementals part. Should we be trying to figure out who they are? Would lynching them be a good thing, a bad thing?

Anyway, only because he voted for me

VOTE GRAMMATICUS

[Poli]

I've also wondered if we may have hidden roles in our midst.

[Passacaglia]

Well, since dacman is here, I'll unvote him.

UNVOTE DACMAN

[Passacaglia]

I don't really see myself as unusually quiet.

VOTE BLADE6119

[Coffee Warlord]

Update (just cause I wanna get a marker in for my file)

1 - Hoopsguy
2 - Blade6119
2 - Schmidty
1 - St.Cronin
2 - Dacman
1 - Passacaglia
1 - Grammaticus

Goats need love too.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

I've also wondered if we may have hidden roles in our midst.

I thought Coffee pretty much announced that there were going to be hidden roles, both at the start, and added throughout the game. Not sure what they might be, although it seems that the theme for this game was inspired by Robert Jordan's books.

[Poli]

UNVOTE SCHMIDTY.

I refuse to be the reason someone is lynched on day 1.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I thought Coffee pretty much announced that there were going to be hidden roles, both at the start, and added throughout the game. Not sure what they might be, although it seems that the theme for this game was inspired by Robert Jordan's books.

I probably missed the posts, then.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by dacman

Well, I'm here -- I had no idea this game would get started so soon. I still can't quite figure out exactly how this one works, particularly the elementals part. Should we be trying to figure out who they are? Would lynching them be a good thing, a bad thing?

Also, does anyone know or have thoughts on whether or not the elementals have a third set of victory conditions? If you lynch an elemental and they are exposed, does that give them any additional powers?

[st.cronin]

It just says 'secret' in the rules (iirc). I can't even imagine what that means.

[hoopsguy]

Very quiet here today - not giving me much to work with. Not that Day 1 is known for all kinds of rich information most of the time ...

Lets see what happens when we turn the heat up a little bit on a player I really have no feel for one way or the other:

VOTE DACMAN

[Poli]

VOTE PATH12

No offense. I'm just not going to have a hand in the first lynch.

[SnDvls]

vote Kingfc

just because he's quiet and usually that gets people talking. even if it's wrong. I'll move it once he shows up probally.

[TazFTW]

VOTE SnDvls

Dvls----->Pentogram----->Evil.
Yes, it is a throwaway Day 1 vote.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by TazFTW

VOTE SnDvls

Dvls----->Pentogram----->Evil.
Yes, it is a throwaway Day 1 vote.

I was waiting for someone to say that
that was my one worry coming into this game, but I realized people could
tell the difference between a screen name and a role in a game.
it's all good though.

[Poli]

You give us too much credit.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

You give us too much credit.

does that mean I should switch my vote to you? j/k

[Poli]

Ha!

[SnDvls]

Update for those following along

1 - Hoopsguy
2 - Blade6119
1 - Schmidty
1 - St.Cronin
3 - Dacman
1 - Passacaglia
1 - Grammaticus
1 - SnDvls
1 - Path12
1 - Kingfc22

[path12]

So, is this pretty typical for a day 1? Could someone fill me in on the pros and cons of the first day lynch?

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by path12

So, is this pretty typical for a day 1? Could someone fill me in on the pros and cons of the first day lynch?

ya it's usually pretty quiet.

In my mind you always want to lynch on day 1 (and in this game it doesn't appear that there is an option for us not to, unless we hit an elemental and then he is saved by his power). This helps establish voting paterns for future use. I'm sure someone might disagree with me on this (most likely a bad guy ), but I feel it does help.

[SnDvls]

dola -
the trend is that the quiet ones get lynched first too.

1) because they don't come to defends themselves and
2) people see them as not only not helping in the discussion, but
hurting it by not participating.

then the vote turns to people who are too helpful...like I'm doing for you now....so I'll just keep quiet, but not too quiet for today I think.

[path12]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

dola -
the trend is that the quiet ones get lynched first too.

1) because they don't come to defends themselves and
2) people see them as not only not helping in the discussion, but
hurting it by not participating.

then the vote turns to people who are too helpful...like I'm doing for you now....so I'll just keep quiet, but not too quiet for today I think.

I felt like that yesterday speculating on the elementals, then decided I didn't want them to notice me.

Funny about the trend, since that second point seems like a catch-22: There's really nothing to discuss, but if you don't do it you're not participating!

But then, that's how I got through college long ago.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I don't really see myself as unusually quiet.

VOTE BLADE6119

Neither do i...i see your quietness quite normal and 99% of the time quite detrimental to the team....sorry, but you are the most useless person in these games from the lsit of players i see. i could be quite wrong, but every time i play with you you are quiet and dont do much but vote(which is all you have done so far again). Dont blame me for your playing style.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

I was waiting for someone to say that
that was my one worry coming into this game, but I realized people could
tell the difference between a screen name and a role in a game.
it's all good though.

you apparently dont remember all the votes i got in one of the Mafia games because Saldana sounds italian

[Blade6119]

If coffee is around, what is the tiebreaker in case someone else votes for me. I will vote for dacman to be safe if i get into a tie situation so as to not die, but for clarification what is the tiebreaker?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by saldana

you apparently dont remember all the votes i got in one of the Mafia games because Saldana sounds italian

I got like 5 votes on first day of X-com due to godzilla dynasty and my fictional guys tendency to die on every mission he went on. I was always first dead lol...they didnt kill me though, luckily since i was the Alien Leader Damn hoopsguy got me killed with his smart thinking.

[Poli]

That was funny.

[kingfc22]

Yeesh, had Blade and SnDvls bring up my name on day 1. I guess that is a good rep to have in a WW game??? I am a villager and I haven't picked up on any baddies yet. BTW, I was the first to bring up the goat (demons pick) back in post #106. Thought CW's post was pretty clear to understand myself.

I think we need to narrow our votes a little because we are not going to really learn anything with it spread out this much.

VOTE SCHMIDTY

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by TazFTW

VOTE SnDvls

Dvls----->Pentogram----->Evil.
Yes, it is a throwaway Day 1 vote.

That is funny, I keep thinking about what the names could mean too. Of course, When I think of TazFTW, I think of the Tazmanian Devil, Hmm...

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

That is funny, I keep thinking about what the names could mean too. Of course, When I think of TazFTW, I think of the Tazmanian Devil, Hmm...

You guys are hilarious.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

You guys are hilarious.

I know, what is funny is, I find the more you look at any name in this game, it seems to sound sinister.

[Barkeep49]

I've been thinking. Dubbs fake empath play last game seems like it could be quite valuable. In a game such as this having an empath around seems possible. I think, therefore, it would behoove us to each make the statement:

"I am not a Demon on day X" where Day X is the current day. In this way if there is an empath he will have reliable statements to go from. I choose am not a Demon since if someone is an elemental that isn't really bad, per se, for the human side. If, however, someone is a demon, well we want them gone. Failure to make such a statement could, in and of itself, be suspicious.

So I will start things off: I am not a Demon on Day 1.

[Blade6119]

Your asking to get taken if you start doing that...your basically saying please someone repeat what dubb did last game...

[Poli]

I'm game.

I am not a demon on day 1.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Your asking to get taken if you start doing that...your basically saying please someone repeat what dubb did last game...

My first thought as well. We'll have to remember to be careful if/when something like that happens. Just going off of CW's promise that 'dead people may still have a role' (forget the exact wording), I think this game is going to be very unpredictable.

Anyway, I am not a demon on day 1.

[hoopsguy]

I got like 5 votes on first day of X-com due to godzilla dynasty and my fictional guys tendency to die on every mission he went on. I was always first dead lol...they didnt kill me though, luckily since i was the Alien Leader Damn hoopsguy got me killed with his smart thinking.

Just remember, day one votes are random until they aren't random

That was my first full werewolf game. I had jumped in an earlier one as an alternate and let some of the more experienced players talk me off of hanging a wolf (Jeff) my first time out. And we got owned by BrianD in a fake role ... good times.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Just remember, day one votes are random until they aren't random

That was my first full werewolf game. I had jumped in an earlier one as an alternate and let some of the more experienced players talk me off of hanging a wolf (Jeff) my first time out. And we got owned by BrianD in a fake role ... good times.

My first game too, and I almost had you guys when i posted the villager role from the converted guy...soo close!

[Poli]

I can't even remember my first one. I remember i did a random number generator for my first vote and everyone jumped my case for it. I had never followed the games before, so I didn't know people hated it.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

I can't even remember my first one. I remember i did a random number generator for my first vote and everyone jumped my case for it. I had never followed the games before, so I didn't know people hated it.

I don't know what would be wrong with that... day 1 all we have is gut instinct and guesswork.

We do have some info (the description of the sacrifice), but I don't know how to tell what it means.

[Barkeep49]

The real problem with using a random number generator is that it provides no insight in future days about the vote. As voting is the main tool we have, having some reason, which can be used in defense or accusation later on is important.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

The real problem with using a random number generator is that it provides no insight in future days about the vote. As voting is the main tool we have, having some reason, which can be used in defense or accusation later on is important.

Would a wild ass guess be better than a rng?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Would a wild ass guess be better than a rng?

Yes.

[Coffee Warlord]

By my count.

(Editor's Note: People with 0's are people who have been voted and unvoted)

1 - Hoopsguy
2 - Blade6119
2 - Schmidty
1 - St.Cronin
0 - WVUFAN
3 - Dacman
0 - TazFTW
1 - Passacaglia
1 - Grammaticus
1 - Path12
1 - Kingfc
1 - SnDvls

Yaks make good bricks. Goats taste better.

[Coffee Warlord]

And Schmidity hasn't logged on since the 23rd. I see him mentioning he was gone till Friday, but obviously waiting that long won't work at this point. Gonna see if I can get a replacement for him.

[st.cronin]

Yaks make good bricks?

Anybody understand that clue?

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Yaks make good bricks?

Anybody understand that clue?

Ah, they are heavy?

[st.cronin]

UNVOTE HOOPSGUY

VOTE BLADE

For purposes of making a tie, to inspire some debate. Nothing more than a wag.

[path12]

Maybe "goats taste better" means that sacrifice was correct?

And: I am not a demon on Day 1.