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[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

No offense, but your vote seems like an unnecessary reach, especially with a much better target like ntn or Thomkal sitting there. At this point in the game, we can't afford to just toss good guys away to set up something else, as you suggested above. We just lost a Ranger, which counts as TWO villagers when determining the overwhelming of the town, so getting a guy in ntndeacon, who everyone (including supposedly you) considers a shoe-in as a baddie, should be our number 1 priority.

Actually a ranger is like 4 villagers. It takes 2 baddies to over come a ranger, however a baddie can take out 2 villagers.so 2 baddies can take out 4 regular villagers

[LoneStarGirl]

I am all for switching to Mr W, but somebody needs to die tonight, so im not going to switch off of him unless everybody else does. I hope Daddy and Tyrith vote for ntn, but I dont know about Schmidty... so it leaves a lot up in the air. If daddy and tyrith vote for mr. wed, then ill switch to him. I think both of these guys are bad and on the same team, but Alant is right, we dont learn much from ntn's death

[Sublime 2]

Ahhh crud! Wasn't able to be around yesterday due to classes and a last second trip up to burlington, vt for some hockey. Looks like you guys got me! Definitely had a good time playing, will have to look into future games.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I forgot about DC killed stabbed to death that night.

Uh, yes, English is my first language. Curse the no edit rule!

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

You're right. I forgot about DC killed stabbed to death that night. Well, throw out my theory on that one.

By the way, why do you think it was Brian that attacked you? It doesn't really matter, but did you pick up on something that I missed or was it something you learned through a PM?

Just from his comments the day that he was on the line to be lynched. The way he said it made me feel that he knew who did the kill if it wasn't him. He said he watched Lonestargirl attack me.. but I do know a fair amount of LSG's role.. and even if i assume she is bad I can't for the life of me think her method of night attack involves a tree branch of any kind.

Brian's role however that seems much more plausible. If he didn't do it himself, I'm pretty sure he knew who on his team did. I doubt it was Sublime who did since we saw Sublime's attack was more magical. That leaves either BrianD or mystery Saruman member #3.

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by Alan T

This is the current vote count. I believe we need 5 votes for a lynching.

(3) Ntndeacon - Lonestargirl (2532), Mr.Wednesday (2579), Izulde (2585)
(1) Lonestargirl - Thomkal (2546)
(1) Tyrith - Ntndeacon (2581)
(1) Mr.Wednesday (2587)

One interesting thing is Mr.W threw a vote on ntn, however ntn completely ignored it and voted for someone completely different from the list of suspects. Does this seem odd to anyone else?

Well that is because I think that Tyrith is more likely to be bad than Mr. W. the whole situation with him and Gramm was a very questionable play for a good guy, but a 1 for 1 trade for a ranger helps the baddies tremendously

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Sublime 2

Ahhh crud! Wasn't able to be around yesterday due to classes and a last second trip up to burlington, vt for some hockey. Looks like you guys got me! Definitely had a good time playing, will have to look into future games.

Glad you enjoyed it and joined us. Hope you come back again in the future for more WW games

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

Well that is because I think that Tyrith is more likely to be bad than Mr. W. the whole situation with him and Gramm was a very questionable play for a good guy, but a 1 for 1 trade for a ranger helps the baddies tremendously

Your argument has no logic in it I don't think from my opinion. I agree that Tyrith might be bad, however the reasons you say have more holes than swiss cheese.

If Tyrith is bad, and somehow found out Gramm was a ranger why out Gramm the way he did? Why not just kill him and not even say anything to add suspicion to him?

Perhaps we can look at tyrith more tommorrow, but today it makes zero sense to add him into a run off today.

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

I am all for switching to Mr W, but somebody needs to die tonight, so im not going to switch off of him unless everybody else does. I hope Daddy and Tyrith vote for ntn, but I dont know about Schmidty... so it leaves a lot up in the air. If daddy and tyrith vote for mr. wed, then ill switch to him. I think both of these guys are bad and on the same team, but Alant is right, we dont learn much from ntn's death

I would not have a problem with voting for Mr. W either. But ido think that we need to address the situation betwen Tyrith and Gramm.

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Your argument has no logic in it I don't think from my opinion. I agree that Tyrith might be bad, however the reasons you say have more holes than swiss cheese.

If Tyrith is bad, and somehow found out Gramm was a ranger why out Gramm the way he did? Why not just kill him and not even say anything to add suspicion to him?

Perhaps we can look at tyrith more tommorrow, but today it makes zero sense to add him into a run off today.

There may be logical problems with this reasoning, but this reasoning was why Ivoted how Idid. but the run off between myself and Mr. Wed only gives me one candidate. As ihave already said Iwill be willing to switch off if needed to lynch him, as I see your point about where it leads. However he isn't my first suspect..that is Tyrith.

[Tyrith]

My number 1 suspect is Thomkal. If we aren't going to listen to his scan list we should just go ahead and kill him so we KNOW about LSG. I am 99 percent sure that ntn is bad at this point, but his lynch doesn't help us with the dueling seer issue. Mr.W...he at least tells us something. I'd rather lynch him than ntn today. So I'm still undecided, I'll go with whatever the good guys think. I apologize that I haven't been more active; school has kept me very busy the last couple of days, and probably will continue to have that problem for the rest of this game.

[Mr. Wednesday]

OK, I was just thinking about something.

I think it's awfully suspicious that ntndeacon has been on the block for days, and neither of our seers has attempted to look at him.

It's possible that's because he's Sauron and LSG is Sauron.

It's also possible it's because they know he's good and they wouldn't mind us voting him off.

So with that, I'm going to switch my vote.

UNVOTE ntndeacon
VOTE DaddyTorgo

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, that's somewhat against interest because some of you are (incorrectly) trying to cast suspicion on me, despite being cleared by two different people (one of whom is known to be good).

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Dola, that's somewhat against interest because some of you are (incorrectly) trying to cast suspicion on me, despite being cleared by two different people (one of whom is known to be good).

We've been down this road before. Swaggs himself said that he didn't feel his information could clear you fully and he wished he had chosen a different line to scan. It didn't clear you but instead put your good vs bad in the hands of Thomkal's reveal which was exactly my point in voting you.

[Thomkal]

Well since I viewed him, and know him to be good, I'm not too supportive of a vote out of Mr. W. If you aren't going to go for LSG like I want, then I guess it'll have to be one of the unscanned.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

I am 99 percent sure that ntn is bad at this point, but his lynch doesn't help us with the dueling seer issue.

I get that lynching Mr. Wednesday can tell us something (unless he's good, then we still don't know if Thomkal is truly good or not), but I would rather go with the guy everyone thinks is evil. Regardless, I'm going to hold off on my vote for a bit and see how things fall.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I've been saying since early on that I'm good. So if you lynch me and confirm that, what are you going to do then? Even LSG didn't actually make any claim about me, only that she wasn't able to complete the scan for reasons unknown -- you'd get one instance where Thomkal was telling the truth, and that's all.

Since I'm just an average sort, it's not a huge loss from the point of view of holding off the forces of darkness, the bigger issue is the opportunity cost of not going after someone who's a much higher percentage to be a bad dude.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

I've been saying since early on that I'm good. So if you lynch me and confirm that, what are you going to do then? Even LSG didn't actually make any claim about me, only that she wasn't able to complete the scan for reasons unknown -- you'd get one instance where Thomkal was telling the truth, and that's all.

Since I'm just an average sort, it's not a huge loss from the point of view of holding off the forces of darkness, the bigger issue is the opportunity cost of not going after someone who's a much higher percentage to be a bad dude.

And why is DaddyTorgo that much higher a percentage than you?

[LoneStarGirl]

We have to make a right call tonight, we have to kill a known bad guy. If we dont then we good people probably lose the game. I will on around 4:30... but im throwing this out now

vote thomkal

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Didn't you already vote for ntn (post 2532)?

[Tyrith]

I am willing to vote for Mr.W and ntn, in that order of preference, if this vote doesn't work. But for now I'd rather vote for the person who I have wanted dead since day 4...and who I can see no way is on our side.

VOTE THOMKAL

[Schmidty]

Thinking things through, and looking at how the votes have fallen so far, I feel that this is the best move:

Vote Thomkal

[Alan T]

Ok here is the deal.. Right now I think its pretty likely that the good guys are in the driver seat. I don't see any way that accidentally lynching a good guy is going to lose us the game here. THe most important thing is we have to lynch someone out of Thomkal, Ntn or Mr.W today.

If the majority wants to go with THomkal, I -will- move my vote by deadline. However the good guys need to make sure that we have someone lynched. We can't split our vote or we get ourselves in trouble

[LoneStarGirl]

sorry jonathan, long day

unvote ntndeacon

vote thomkal

[Alan T]

This is the current vote count. THe good guys are scattered across alot of people right now. I'll move my vote but we really need to decide who its going to be. Needs to either be ntn, thomkal or Mr.W and it honestly doesn't matter which of the three.

(2) Thomkal - Tyrith (2621), Schmidty (2622)
(2) Ntndeacon - Lonestargirl (2532), Izulde (2585)
(1) Lonestargirl - Thomkal (2546)
(1) Tyrith - Ntndeacon (2581)
(1) Mr.Wednesday - Alan (2587)
(1) DaddyTorgo - Mr.Wednesday (2612)


No votes: DaddyTorgo, Jonathan E.

[LoneStarGirl]

alant what is the current vote stading?

I have 3 on thomkal

[LoneStarGirl]

you beat me to it

[LoneStarGirl]

when izulde and ntn get on i think they too will vote for thomkal


so then we will need one more, that is you alant

[Alan T]

Ok, looks like this is today's direction..

Unvote Mr.Wednesday
Vote thomkal


This should make the vote count this:

(4) Thomkal - Tyrith (2621), Schmidty (2622), Lonestargirl (2624), Alan T (xxx)
(1) Ntndeacon - Izulde (2585)
(1) Lonestargirl - Thomkal (2546)
(1) Tyrith - Ntndeacon (2581)
(1) DaddyTorgo - Mr.Wednesday (2612)


No votes: DaddyTorgo, Jonathan E.

We need 2 more votes on thomkal.

[LoneStarGirl]

Daddy probably will too, so we should have our lynch tonight

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

when izulde and ntn get on i think they too will vote for thomkal


so then we will need one more, that is you alant

I have a feeling jonathan will vote for Thomkal. I think we should be ok.

If thomkal ends up good, then LSG is obviously the next choice for tommorrow. However I doubt thats going to happen here.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Daddy probably will too, so we should have our lynch tonight

Well, I am assuming if you aren't lying this is the end for team Saruman. I fully expect everyone will be happy with this vote if he is indeed on saruman's team.

[LoneStarGirl]

Well then, i guess we will all be happy. This is about 4 days over do, since blade had thomkal pegged from the beginning.

[Thomkal]

Oh it matters Alan. You've supported keeping both LSG and I alive for so long now Alan. Why consider lynching me and not her? I will move to ntndeacon since he is uncleared.

unvote LoneStarGirl
vote ntndeacon

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Well then, i guess we will all be happy. This is about 4 days over do, since blade had thomkal pegged from the beginning.

I can say the same thing about ntn

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Oh it matters Alan. You've supported keeping both LSG and I alive for so long now Alan. Why consider lynching me and not her? I will move to ntndeacon since he is uncleared.

unvote LoneStarGirl
vote ntndeacon

Its all about math. Thanks to having both of our wonderful seers alive for as long as we have, we now have a fully mapped out list of who is good or bad based on which seer is telling the truth.

At this point in the game, it honestly doesn't matter which of you, Mr.W or ntn is killed either way it tells us the info we need to know to likely figure out the rest.

Its still a possibility that LSG is bad, but well you've done alot less to help us with your scans so she gets the benefit of the doubt.

[Izulde]

All right, I'll go along with the train.

UNVOTE NTNDEACON

VOTE THOMKAL

[LoneStarGirl]

Okay guys i am out for the night i think, i am getting my hair done and me and GE are taking pictures and going shopping.... I am glad to see Thomkal is finally going to get it.

[Thomkal]

Well at least I'll be comforted when you lynch LSG next.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Well at least I'll be comforted when you lynch LSG next.

Just think about it this way.. your death will give us something your seer scans never did and give us a sure bad guy

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I can say the same thing about ntn

Yes but you are wrong

[ntndeacon]

Unvote Tyrith
Vote Thomkal

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

I am willing to vote for Mr.W and ntn, in that order of preference, if this vote doesn't work. But for now I'd rather vote for the person who I have wanted dead since day 4...and who I can see no way is on our side.

VOTE THOMKAL

Does this mean that Thomkal lied yesterday when he said you were good?

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Does this mean that Thomkal lied yesterday when he said you were good?

ZING!!!!!!!!

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Does this mean that Thomkal lied yesterday when he said you were good?

I think there is a fair chance of that.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I think there is a fair chance of that.

Not so much, no.

[Abe Sargent]

Today I had one of the worst days I've had in my job in a long time. I just want to go to bed. I'll do the day at 10:00 pm without problem. I'll try to do the 3:30 too but my stuff may be more abbreviated than normal, and I apologize for that if it happens.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Today I had one of the worst days I've had in my job in a long time. I just want to go to bed. I'll do the day at 10:00 pm without problem. I'll try to do the 3:30 too but my stuff may be more abbreviated than normal, and I apologize for that if it happens.

That's no problem, I hope you feel better

[DaddyTorgo]

okay. finally home and on the new laptop. can someone quick-catch me up to speed, as i have a crapload of stuff to install/uninstall to get this thing going tonight and lynch is in just over 2 hours. popped on this morning and saw we lost Gram ("darnit") but that's all I've seen

[DaddyTorgo]

or no one can catch me up.

LSG...I am sick of being a suspect...can you clear me tonight and end this uncertainty? If there's not anyone else more in need of a scan of course I mean. I am on the side of light.

with that said...as much as i wonder about Mr. Weds voting for me to get his head off the chopping block with no evidence, I will cast my vote where needed.

VOTE THOMKAL