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Old 08-01-2007, 03:51 PM   #1451
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headin home. likely won't be on for like the next 2 hours (wonderful fabulous commute + dinner)
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Old 08-01-2007, 03:53 PM   #1452
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i'm a villegar. no reason to vote 4 me.

Okay Lathum
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Old 08-01-2007, 03:55 PM   #1453
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Day three vote chart.

POST / PLAYER / VOTED FOR / VOTE COUNT

474 Gonzo Alan T AT 1
512 Neon Chaos Alan T AT 2
531 Dodgerchick Barkeep AT 2 / BK 1
540 Render Alan T AT 3 / BK 1
554 Cartman Alan T AT 4 / BK 1
557 Telle Barkeep AT 4 / BK 2
574 Chief Rum Render AT 4 / BK 2 / Ren 1
576 DaddyTorgo Render AT 4 / BK 2 / Ren 2
577 Barkeep Render AT 4 / Ren 3 / BK 2
578 Path12 Tanglewood AT 4 / Ren 3 / BK 2 / TW 1
582 Jhandley Tanglewood AT 4 / Ren 3 / BK 2 / TW 2
585 Kwhit Render AT 4 / Ren 4 / BK 2 / TW 2
589 Antmeister Neon Chaos AT 4 / Ren 4 / BK 2 / TW 2 / NC 1
594 DaddyTorgo UNVOTE AT 4 / Ren 3 / BK 2 / TW 2 / NC 1
596 Barkeep Neon Chaos AT 4 / Ren 3 / BK 2 / TW 2 / NC 2
604 DaddyTorgo Neon Chaos AT 4 / Ren 3 / NC 3 / BK 2 / TW 2
610 Kwhit Neon Chaos AT 4 / NC 4 / Ren 2 / BK 2 / TW 2
611 Path12 Alan T AT 5 / NC 4 / Ren 2 / BK 2 / TW 1
665 Path12 UNVOTE AT 4 / NC 4 / Ren 2 / BK 2 / TW 1
673 Alan T Tanglewood AT 4 / NC 4 / Ren 2 / BK 2 / TW 2
679 Cartman UNVOTE NC 4 / AT 3 / Ren 2 / BK 2 / TW 2
681 Cartman Barkeep NC 4 / AT 3 / BK 3 / Ren 2 / TW 2
687 Path12 Tanglewood NC 4 / AT 3 / BK 3 / TW 3 / Ren 2
704 Neon Chaos Render NC 4 / BK 3 / TW 3 / Ren 3 / AT 2
707 Render UNVOTE NC 4 / BK 3 / TW 3 / Ren 3 / AT 1
713 Neon Chaos Tanglewood NC 4 / TW 4 / BK 3 / Ren 2 / AT 1
719 DaddyTorgo Tanglewood TW 5 / NC 3 / BK 3 / Ren 2 / AT 1
728 Barkeep Chief Rum TW 5 / BK 3 / NC 2 / Ren 1 / AT 1 / CR 1
732 LoneStarGirl Tanglewood TW 6 / BK 3 / NC 2 / Ren 1 / AT 1 / CR 1
754 Alan T Chief Rum TW 5 / BK 3 / NC 2 / Ren 1 / CR 2 / AT 1
757 Render Tanglewood TW 6 / BK 3 / NC 2 / Ren 1 / CR 2 / AT 1
758 Path12 Chief Rum TW 5 / BK 3 / CR 3 / NC 2 / Ren 1 / AT 1
759 DaddyTorgo Chief Rum TW 4 / CR 4 / BK 3 / NC 2 / Ren 1 / AT 1
769 Kwhit Chief Rum CR 5 / TW 4 / BK 3 / NC 1 / Ren 1 / AT 1
771 Neon Chaos Chief Rum CR 6 / TW 3 / BK 3 / NC 1 / Ren 1 / AT 1
779 Tanglewood Chief Rum CR 7 / TW 3 / BK 3 / NC 1 / Ren 1 / AT 1
780 Schmidty Tanglewood CR 7 / TW 4 / BK 3 / NC 1 / Ren 1 / AT 1
792 Chief Rum Tanglewood CR 7 / TW 5 / BK 3 / NC 1 / AT 1
794 Cartman Chief Rum CR 8 / TW 5 / BK 2 / NC 1 / AT 1
803 Render Chief Rum CR 9 / TW 4 / BK 2 / NC 1 / AT 1

I was looking at this again, since it's the only day we know we got a bad guy and there was a lot of movement around the end.

CR came up after Alan's reveal. For my purposes right now, those first 6 votes on him are not the ones that interest me the most (we know BK and Alan were good, I followed right after, and DT's and KWhits votes. Neon's was the first to really give more than a 1 vote margin toward lynching CR.

What interest me are two things: Schimdty's (and then CR's) votes for Tanglewood in the midst of this. Schmidty said he was struggling to catch up and needed to vote. We know why CR made his vote.

The other thing that interest me are the two late votes on CR, by cartman and Render. These could safely be classified as pile-on votes, and as such must be looked at with a certain amount of skepticism.

Cartman has gotten far in this game by Alan's statement seeing player X stealing a hankie from him. We've assumed that player X was the good scientist. I don't think we can count on that assumption any more. Player X could very well be the bad scientist, and then Cartman's allegiance is up in the air like the rest of us.

But based on this, my vote today will probably go between Schmidty and Render. I'm not sure which yet. And now I have more work to do.
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Old 08-01-2007, 03:55 PM   #1454
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Uh... Those of you voting for me... Do you remember that I was the vote that broke the tie on the vote for Chief Rum?

It wasn't totally clear that everyone was going to believe AlanT, but I did from the start and helped argue his case about voting for CR. Who turned out to be a wolf, if you remember.

You are way off in voting for me.
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Old 08-01-2007, 03:56 PM   #1455
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Old 08-01-2007, 04:01 PM   #1456
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okay so there seems to be a lot of people worth looking at...

Render had a definite pile on vote for Chief and has really given us nothing substantial in this game so far, we have been noticing his behavior all game and yet nobody has bothered to really put heat on him

Schmidty has been acting like Schmidty and that bothers a lot of you, he could very well be a wolf but nobody has any good reason for voting him yet.

Gonzo voted for Alant when everybody else piled off of him. He is new so nobody can tell if his weird behaivor is normal or not, but he too hasn't really contributed much.

And Gonzo is voting for Kwhit-- I doubt this gains any momentum at all as most people remember that Kwhit did put the ax in Rum's back the other day.

I think those are our three top contenders right now, so to make this more interesting

unvote Daddy torgo
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Old 08-01-2007, 04:03 PM   #1457
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How about I call it a gut feeling?

If you end up lynching a villager over a "gut feeling", it's not going to look very good for you, nor is it going to do anything other than help the wolves win.
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Old 08-01-2007, 04:06 PM   #1458
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Okay guys, I am out for awhile. I have been doing Werewolf for the past 3 hours instead of doing my paper so I need to get to work. I will be back in about 2 hours
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Old 08-01-2007, 04:12 PM   #1459
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3 - Gonzo - cartman (1333), DaddyTorgo (1334), RendeR (1339)
3 - Schmidty - KWhit (1415), Telle (1419), JHandley (1420)
1 - LoneStarGirl - Neon_Chaos (1329)
1 - RendeR - LoneStarGirl (1456)
1 - KWhit - Gonzo (1446)

no vote: path12, Schmidty
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Old 08-01-2007, 04:41 PM   #1460
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VOTE RENDER

Obligatory non-final vote declaration.
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Old 08-01-2007, 04:54 PM   #1461
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Okay Lathum

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Old 08-01-2007, 05:25 PM   #1462
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And even though most of us are assuming Cartman is good, I wish he would contribute more... he only has 32 posts on Day 6

It's a little rough, since my only way to access the board while I'm at work is via my iPhone. When the posting comes fast and furious, it is tough to keep up. Also, I can't cut and paste with it, so when I want to quote another post, I'm not able to.
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Old 08-01-2007, 06:37 PM   #1463
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UNVOTE GONZO

VOTE SCHMIDTY

per what Path pointed out in his long post
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Old 08-01-2007, 06:50 PM   #1464
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What a slow day
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:02 PM   #1465
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What a slow day

you can say that again! i'm around from now till deadline

right now we're at

schmidty 4
gonzo 3
lsg, render,kwhit 1
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:06 PM   #1466
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I think its

Schmidty - 4
Gonzo - 2
Render - 2

KWhit and lsg - 1
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:07 PM   #1467
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and schmidty hasn't voted yet... hopefully neon and gonzo will move their votes
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:07 PM   #1468
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oh you're right. I forgot to subract myself from gonzo

schmidty 4
gonzo 2
render 2
kwhit,lsg 1
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:17 PM   #1469
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Well I guess I will be the one to put this out of reach for Schmidty. Might as well kill him, we have no leads on anybody else and he hasn't been contributing much... just like Cartman


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Old 08-01-2007, 07:18 PM   #1470
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UNVOTE GONZO

VOTE SCHMIDTY

per what Path pointed out in his long post

Shitty reasoning. Plus, path didn't even vote for me, he voted for RendeR. Way to go out on a limb, wolf.

I don't get you guys.
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:20 PM   #1471
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Well I guess I will be the one to put this out of reach for Schmidty. Might as well kill him, we have no leads on anybody else and he hasn't been contributing much... just like Cartman


unvote render
vote Schmidty

Give me a freaking break. Way to jump on the bandwagon for all of the wrong reasons.

Gonzo has DEFENDED A KNOWN WOLF, and is still going to get away with it.

Like I said, you people are unbelievable.
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:22 PM   #1472
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Give me a freaking break. Way to jump on the bandwagon for all of the wrong reasons.

Gonzo has DEFENDED A KNOWN WOLF, and is still going to get away with it.

Like I said, you people are unbelievable.


hmmm
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:23 PM   #1473
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Give me a freaking break. Way to jump on the bandwagon for all of the wrong reasons.

Gonzo has DEFENDED A KNOWN WOLF, and is still going to get away with it.

Like I said, you people are unbelievable.

Sorry, in my anger, I misworded. That should be that he went after a good guy right before he was lynched.

Anyway, I give up. None of you will listen to reason, and are all too afraid to vote for someone who isn't the "popular" target, even though everyone pretty much admits that there's really not much to go on voting for me.

I haven't gotten mad in a WW game in a long time, but I am right now, and very disappointed and frustrated.
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:26 PM   #1474
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well someone's gotten fired up about something finally. That's good
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:28 PM   #1475
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That is the Schmidty we are used to seeing. If he would have done this early maybe we wouldn't be voting for him
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:28 PM   #1476
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well someone's gotten fired up about something finally. That's good

We finally got him to post something.

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Old 08-01-2007, 07:29 PM   #1477
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Schmidty if you can give me a good reason for getting off of you, besides the fact that Gonzo voted for Alant, I would be more than happy to. I dont have a negative read on you but it looks like everybody does
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:32 PM   #1478
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Give me a freaking break. Way to jump on the bandwagon for all of the wrong reasons.

Gonzo has DEFENDED A KNOWN WOLF, and is still going to get away with it.

Like I said, you people are unbelievable.

Excuse me? Find a post of mine where I defended Chief Rum.
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:33 PM   #1479
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I was looking at this again, since it's the only day we know we got a bad guy and there was a lot of movement around the end.

CR came up after Alan's reveal. For my purposes right now, those first 6 votes on him are not the ones that interest me the most (we know BK and Alan were good, I followed right after, and DT's and KWhits votes. Neon's was the first to really give more than a 1 vote margin toward lynching CR.

What interest me are two things: Schimdty's (and then CR's) votes for Tanglewood in the midst of this. Schmidty said he was struggling to catch up and needed to vote. We know why CR made his vote.

The other thing that interest me are the two late votes on CR, by cartman and Render. These could safely be classified as pile-on votes, and as such must be looked at with a certain amount of skepticism.

Cartman has gotten far in this game by Alan's statement seeing player X stealing a hankie from him. We've assumed that player X was the good scientist. I don't think we can count on that assumption any more. Player X could very well be the bad scientist, and then Cartman's allegiance is up in the air like the rest of us.

But based on this, my vote today will probably go between Schmidty and Render. I'm not sure which yet. And now I have more work to do.

I'm feeling better and better about my vote for Schmidty. That vote for Tangle just looks ODD - especially followed immediately by Chief Rum voting for Tangle.

*I'm referring to to the voting on the night of Alan's reveal, of course - see Path's post above.
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:33 PM   #1480
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Well, I don't think you guys realize that I actually am busy, and am not just blowing smoke. I especially get freaking pissed when I know I haven't done anything wrong, and am justified.

There is nothing to go on me that's concrete, whereas others have made public misteps and were vocal about it. I just think that because I haven't been vociferous, people (wolves) are taking liberties and trying to pick off an "easy target".
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:34 PM   #1481
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Excuse me? Find a post of mine where I defended Chief Rum.

Read my next post.
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:35 PM   #1482
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I'm feeling better and better about my vote for Schmidty.

Well, you shouldn't feel good about it. At just about every point in the game, people are guessing with their votes, and I honestly didn't have time to review all of the evidence. That's not an excuse, it's just the truth.
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:40 PM   #1483
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I need to make dinner and watch my daughter run through the sprinkler, so I won't be able to respond to every attack for the next hour or so. I'm not going to vote until I see where things are at, because I don't want to die if I can help it. At this point, I'm pretty annoyed at some of you that have sheeped-out, but I still want us villagers to win.
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:46 PM   #1484
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I have to say, I don't think that Schmidty is a wolf. He was the first to vote for Tanglewood, but then again most everybody thought tanglewood was evil when he voted for him. And where were the hordes of wolves coming to defend him?
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:47 PM   #1485
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I need to make dinner and watch my daughter run through the sprinkler, so I won't be able to respond to every attack for the next hour or so. I'm not going to vote until I see where things are at, because I don't want to die if I can help it. At this point, I'm pretty annoyed at some of you that have sheeped-out, but I still want us villagers to win.

Well, we only have 2 things to go on:

1) The analysis you've made (nonexistant)
2) Your voting record (Not very good)

You can't blame us for voting for you. You haven't given us any reason not too.
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:53 PM   #1486
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Well we still have an hour to move off Schmidty if you feel the need to but I doubt Neon and Path are going to change their votes anyway
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:54 PM   #1487
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I forgot Cronin wasn't going to be here till late, I was going to ask him for an official vote count
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Old 08-01-2007, 08:05 PM   #1488
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I think both Schmidty and Gonzo are wolves.
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Old 08-01-2007, 08:07 PM   #1489
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Well I have to go eat dinner... I am sure GE will get on the computer as soon as I leave the room but I will try and be back around lynch time
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Old 08-01-2007, 08:14 PM   #1490
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I think both Schmidty and Gonzo are wolves.

based on? did you notice something?
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Old 08-01-2007, 08:22 PM   #1491
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Voting history by person. Final vote per day in bold. Unvotes noted when a new vote does not replace the old vote in the same post. Results as of post #1431.

cartman - Jonathon Ezerick (96), Neon Chaos (402), Alan T (554), unvote Alan T (679), Barkeep49 (681), Chief Rum (794), Antmeister (977), Oliegirl (1205), Gonzo (1333)

JHandley - Telle (88), Antmeister (184), Neon Chaos (388), Tanglewood (582), RendeR (901), unvote RendeR (942), Antmeister (973), Oliegirl (1148), Neon Chaos (1247), Schmidty (1421)

path12 - NO LYNCH (111), RendeR (282), Tanglewood (578), Alan T (611), unvote Alan T (665), Tanglewood #587, Chief Rum #758, RendeR #885, unvote RendeR #972, Tanglewood #981, Antmeister #1088, Oliegirl #1189, Tanglewood #1239

LoneStarGirl - Tanglewood #146, Barkeep49 #425, Tanglewood #732, Gonzo #951, RendeR #1197, JHandley #1336, unvote JHandley #1428

DaddyTorgo - NO LYNCH #198, Barkeep49 #405, RendeR #576, unvote RendeR #594, Neon Chaos #604, Tanglewood #719, Chief Rum #759, RendeR #882, unvote RendeR #922, unvote cartman #1002, Tanglewood #1045, Oliegirl #1140, unvote Oliegirl #1190, RendeR #1194, unvote RendeR #1221, Neon Chaos #1240, Tanglewood #1260, Gonzo #1334

Ok, I gotta leave work shortly so I'm not going to be able to finish my copy-pasting right now... still have RendeR, Schmidty, KWhit, Gonzo, and Neon Chaos to go. Oh, and I haven't been keeping record of my own votes.. so if anybody wants to go back and look through, feel free!

And here's the rest of them:

RendeR - Jonathon Ezerik #223, Neon Chaos #348, Barkeep49 #421, Alan T #540, unvote Alan T #707, Tanglewood #757, Chief Rum #803, Antmeister #939, Gonzo #1030, Schmidty #1176, Tanglewood #1258, Gonzo #1339

Schmidty - path12 #128, Neon Chaos #393, Tanglewood #780, cartman #996, Tanglewood #1009, Oliegirl #1153

KWhit - Telle #99, Tanglewood #171, Neon Chaos #344, RendeR #585, Neon Chaos #610, Chief Rum #769, Antmeister #976, Oliegirl #1146, Schmidty #1415

Gonzo - no lynch #200, Alan T #356, Alan T #474, RendeR #879, Antmeister #941, Oliegirl #954, Antmeister #1004, Oliegirl #1143, Oliegirl #1143

Neon Chaos - DaddyTorgo #318, Alan T #512, RendeR #704, Tanglewood #713, Chief Rum #779, RendeR #906, unvote RendeR #909, Antmeister #911, Oliegirl #1151, LoneStarGirl #1329
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Old 08-01-2007, 08:26 PM   #1492
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Well, we only have 2 things to go on:

1) The analysis you've made (nonexistant)
2) Your voting record (Not very good)

You can't blame us for voting for you. You haven't given us any reason not too.

I don't think that's fair. I'm not the only one with an iffy voting record at this point, and I've tried to defend myself, but there's not much to analyze. Ask me some questions and I'll answer them, because I don't know what else to say. I feel helpless.
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Old 08-01-2007, 08:27 PM   #1493
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I think both Schmidty and Gonzo are wolves.

Thanks for that great explaination. Kudos.
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Old 08-01-2007, 08:31 PM   #1494
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Voting's going a little one-sided again.. I'm feeling stronger about Gonzo than Schmidty, so I might as well move my vote and help even things out a little before we head into this last half hour.

UNVOTE SCHMIDTY
VOTE GONZO
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Old 08-01-2007, 08:34 PM   #1495
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based on? did you notice something?

I think Schmidty is faking disgust. And, neither one of them has directly implicated the other, until just a little bit ago. A wolf move to dilute the vote to try and save one of themselves and swing a close vote to a villager.
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Old 08-01-2007, 08:35 PM   #1496
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I think Schmidty is faking disgust. And, neither one of them has directly implicated the other, until just a little bit ago. A wolf move to dilute the vote to try and save one of themselves and swing a close vote to a villager.

seems plausible. Schmidty seems a little overly-upset I guess. And I did notice that post by gonzo a little while ago that you're probably referring to (too lazy to go and find it and quote it in here though).
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Old 08-01-2007, 08:36 PM   #1497
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Old 08-01-2007, 08:37 PM   #1498
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I think Schmidty is faking disgust. And, neither one of them has directly implicated the other, until just a little bit ago. A wolf move to dilute the vote to try and save one of themselves and swing a close vote to a villager.

Thanks Dr. Phil.

You have no idea how epically wrong you are.
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Old 08-01-2007, 08:38 PM   #1499
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seems plausible. Schmidty seems a little overly-upset I guess. And I did notice that post by gonzo a little while ago that you're probably referring to (too lazy to go and find it and quote it in here though).


See now just about the time I begin to trust you a little bit you post something like this.

You're not a lazy WW gamer, but this entire game you've been one. Why this game? Why the shift from the normally very precise and active role you normally take on in a game?
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Old 08-01-2007, 08:42 PM   #1500
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I really think the better play tonight is voting for Schmidty.
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