Werewolf L Kate Beckinsale - day 7, deadline Thursday 10pm Eastern Time - Page 34

JHandley · 08-02-2007, 11:01 AM

Ok, I'm doing this this way because I really don't feel I have much left to offer the game in my role. I'd also like to expand the CoT.

I am the young Sherlock Holmes. Here's what I have.

Day 1: Investigated Barkeep. Came up clean. Turned up dead on day 2.
Day 2: Investigated Lathum. Came up clean. Turned up dead on day 3
Day 3: Investigated Tanglewood. Came up clean.
Day 4: Investigated KWhit. Came up Good Scientist.
Day 5: Investigated Gonzo. Came up clean.
Day 6: Investigated Path12. Came up clean.

Day 4 is where things got interesting. After 2 of my first three investigations came up dead the following day, I just fired a complete shot in the dark. Hit Kwhit. I probably should have investigated Oliegirl. But, I was very conflicted about that. I really felt it unfair to use that information to help me form my leads when looking for the Mad Scientist. However, it kinda ended up working out. As soon as the night killing was done, KWhit came out wanting to kill Oliegirl. Knowing he was the Good Scientist, I was determined to follow his lead, so I jumped on board. I am still as certain as I can be that she's the Mad Scientist.

That brings us to last nights vote. Again, I was determined to follow Kwhit's lead, so when he came out wanting to lynch Schmidty, I was completely on board. I didn't know if Schmidty was a wolf, but I knew he wasn't a confirmed villager.

By the way, this is why I kept defending BK when he went after Alan. BK was a no-lynch voter and wasn't the mad scientist. I was operating under the assumption that the MS needed some of the other players to complete his research. Therefore, it made sense that Also, I may never understand the way in which Alan first semi-revealed. Everyone thought he was bad in someway, and only a few were willing to give him a day or two to sort it out. If Alan hadn't revealed on day 3, he would have had to on day 4. BK was hard after Alan for all the right reasons and instead of working on his theories, or more importantly working on finding a real wolf, he had to spend time defending himself from Alan.

Anyway, that's all I got. I have no new information at all, I have no hints, tips or any semblence of direction of the next vote. At this point, anyone who hasn't been cleared explictly by Kwhit is a target. I just wish I had more to go on.

JHandley · 08-02-2007, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by path12

Dola, assuming two. I don't know what happens about the mad scientist stuff.

But the fact we're getting as far as we have leads me to think there's not a ton of conversion, depending on whether or not KWhit would be able to detect a converted person.

I stumbled upon the idea that maybe the Mad Scientist doesn't convert, but rather is a timer for us. If we don't find or kill the Mad Scientist in time, then he creates his army and the wolves win.

JHandley · 08-02-2007, 11:08 AM

Triple Dola -

In my reveal post, where it says "Therefore, it made sense that Also, I may never understand the way in which Alan first semi-revealed." It should read: "Therefore it made sense that the mad scientist would not want a day 1 lynching."

DaddyTorgo · 08-02-2007, 11:12 AM

young sherlock only searches for the mad scientist though right? so he could run right into a wolf and not realize it...

Telle · 08-02-2007, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

young sherlock only searches for the mad scientist though right? so he could run right into a wolf and not realize it...

Yep. At least that's how the rules read.

JHandley · 08-02-2007, 11:17 AM

Yep, exactly. Which is why I felt my role was worthless, except to exonerate me from accusations of being a wolf. I really do believe that DC/OG was the Mad Scientist due to what Kwhit saw and the odd way that whole thing played out.

JHandley · 08-02-2007, 11:19 AM

And I realize I wasn't on the block, but I felt the last thing I could offer was to at least take one more target off the list.

Telle · 08-02-2007, 11:21 AM

Ok.. so this at least tells us that JHandley is a villager and Gonzo is completely 100% clean since both JHandley and KWhit scanned him.

So, the CoT has expanded and that's definitely a good thing.

DaddyTorgo · 08-02-2007, 11:27 AM

TRUST:
JHandley
Gonzo
Cartman
DaddyTorgo

low trust:
Schmidty, LSG

Medium-Trust
RendeR, Telle, Neon_Chaos

who else am i missing who belongs in medim-trust?

DaddyTorgo · 08-02-2007, 11:32 AM

dola - updated

TRUST:
JHandley
Gonzo
Cartman
DaddyTorgo

low trust:
Schmidty, LSG

Medium-Trust
RendeR, Telle, Neon_Chaos, Path12

JHandley · 08-02-2007, 11:33 AM

Telle · 08-02-2007, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

dola - updated

TRUST:
JHandley
Gonzo
Cartman
DaddyTorgo

low trust:
Schmidty, LSG

Medium-Trust
RendeR, Telle, Neon_Chaos, Path12

That's pretty much what I got right now too. Well except I trust myself

But really the only people that belong in the top trust category in general are special characters and those who have been scanned by KWhit.

JHandley · 08-02-2007, 11:35 AM

Also, I've got plans tonight for dinner. So I will not be around for the deadline vote.

I'm going to hold off on voting until 4pm pst and then cast then. I understand we're on Schmidty now, but I'd rather wait to see how the rest of the day plays out before casting a vote that I may not be able to change.

DaddyTorgo · 08-02-2007, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Telle

That's pretty much what I got right now too. Well except I trust myself

But really the only people that belong in the top trust category in general are special characters and those who have been scanned by KWhit.

you don't trust your man? ouch!!

DaddyTorgo · 08-02-2007, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JHandley

Also, I've got plans tonight for dinner. So I will not be around for the deadline vote.

I'm going to hold off on voting until 4pm pst and then cast then. I understand we're on Schmidty now, but I'd rather wait to see how the rest of the day plays out before casting a vote that I may not be able to change.

solid plan. just don't forget to vote!! we'll likely need all the votes we can get

DaddyTorgo · 08-02-2007, 11:44 AM

out for lunch. better part of an hour likely

JHandley · 08-02-2007, 11:50 AM

Hey, looks like we have a pretty constant visitor to the thread. Cap Ologist, are you planning on playing in the next game?

Telle · 08-02-2007, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

you don't trust your man? ouch!!

Hell no

Cap Ologist · 08-02-2007, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JHandley

Hey, looks like we have a pretty constant visitor to the thread. Cap Ologist, are you planning on playing in the next game?

Only if you are.

Poli · 08-02-2007, 11:56 AM

LoneStarGirl · 08-02-2007, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

she claims she had computer problems. don't know if we can believe that or not. i've had times where i've had computer problems and nobody believed me...that's just a fact of life. and i've had times as a wolf where i've used computer problems as an excuse for not moving my vote.

Daddy, I would NEVER lie about real life stuff... that is going to far... and I just got back from volleyball practice or I would have done this earlier

vote Schmidty

LoneStarGirl · 08-02-2007, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JHandley

Yep, exactly. Which is why I felt my role was worthless, except to exonerate me from accusations of being a wolf. I really do believe that DC/OG was the Mad Scientist due to what Kwhit saw and the odd way that whole thing played out.

Well if that is true then after we get one more wolf that should be game right?

JHandley · 08-02-2007, 12:04 PM

That's my hope. Even if all I did was narrow the suspects, then I think it was a worthwhile reveal at this point in the game.

JHandley · 08-02-2007, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Well if that is true then after we get one more wolf that should be game right?

Now I understand your question. I don't know. It's my belief that there's 3 wolves plus the mad scientist.

LoneStarGirl · 08-02-2007, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JHandley

Now I understand your question. I don't know. It's my belief that there's 3 wolves plus the mad scientist.

I was hoping it was only two wolves with the mad scientist but maybe not

LoneStarGirl · 08-02-2007, 12:17 PM

I think that we need to start looking at a conversion ability... Shouldn't the mad scientist be powerful enough to create another wolf? I think after we kill schmidty tonight, tomorrow we need to look at people that were cleared in the first three days

path12 · 08-02-2007, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

I think that we need to start looking at a conversion ability... Shouldn't the mad scientist be powerful enough to create another wolf? I think after we kill schmidty tonight, tomorrow we need to look at people that were cleared in the first three days

Actually, if Schmidty comes up wolf I'm likely voting for you tomorrow.

cartman · 08-02-2007, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12

Actually, if Schmidty comes up wolf I'm likely voting for you tomorrow.

+1

DaddyTorgo · 08-02-2007, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman

+1

+2

that smells very much like "i'm a wolf and i'm going to try to turn suspiscion back on the CoT" at this point

LoneStarGirl · 08-02-2007, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

+2

that smells very much like "i'm a wolf and i'm going to try to turn suspiscion back on the CoT" at this point

If you say so... but if Schmidty is a wolf tonight and the game isn't over with, then it is highly likely a conversion happened.

DaddyTorgo · 08-02-2007, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

If you say so... but if Schmidty is a wolf tonight and the game isn't over with, then it is highly likely a conversion happened.

but that doesn't necessarily mean that the converted person is in the CoT, since the CoT wasn't declared/publicly known until after the converter died

JHandley · 08-02-2007, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

If you say so... but if Schmidty is a wolf tonight and the game isn't over with, then it is highly likely a conversion happened.

Highly likely based on what? Two wolves and one mad scientist against 15 villagers doesn't sound highly likely to me.

DaddyTorgo · 08-02-2007, 01:23 PM

i think we started with 3 and had a conversion possible. now whether that conversion happened is anybody's guess. we don't know what conditions if any there were on the mad scientist converting...maybe it was a 2 night process and we lynched in the middle of it or something? or maybe it only had a % chance of success and it failed...who knows.

Telle · 08-02-2007, 01:26 PM

If this game isn't over once we lynch Schmidty and LSG I'll be pretty darn shocked. And I guess that's the point that we need to start concerning ourselves with whether or not one of the trusted people may have been converted.

JHandley · 08-02-2007, 01:33 PM

Doesn't look like there's going to be any movement on this before 4 pst, so I'll vote now.

VOTE SCHMIDTY

cartman · 08-02-2007, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JHandley

Doesn't look like there's going to be any movement on this before 4 pst, so I'll vote now.

VOTE SCHMIDTY

I don't really see any movenment at all before the deadline. It appears that the die has been cast, and both sides are in a race to the finish.

Telle · 08-02-2007, 01:43 PM

Schmidty and Gonzo are the only two that have not yet voted. All others have voted for Schmidty.

RendeR · 08-02-2007, 02:01 PM

If Gonzo votes for schmidty also can we then get a Nightfall vote?

Schmidty · 08-02-2007, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JHandley

Highly likely based on what? Two wolves and one mad scientist against 15 villagers doesn't sound highly likely to me.

A conversion has happened. That person just doesn't know quite yet.

Wanna play a guessing game, Sherlock???

st.cronin · 08-02-2007, 02:09 PM

I will accept nightfall votes, but will require a unanimous decision.

DaddyTorgo · 08-02-2007, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

A conversion has happened. That person just doesn't know quite yet.

Wanna play a guessing game, Sherlock???

the only way you'd know this is if you were the mad scientist, or if the scientist could communicate with the wolves...

either way...looks like a lynch of you is the right move

cronin...can you process early?

i think we'd all agree nothing seems likely to change, and those 2 votes can't change anything

VOTE NIGHTFALL

JHandley · 08-02-2007, 02:11 PM

VOTE NIGHTFALL

Schmidty · 08-02-2007, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

the only way you'd know this is if you were the mad scientist, or if the scientist could communicate with the wolves...

either way...looks like a lynch of you is the right move

cronin...can you process early?

i think we'd all agree nothing seems likely to change, and those 2 votes can't change anything

VOTE NIGHTFALL

How perfect that you were the one to respond to my post.........

st.cronin · 08-02-2007, 02:12 PM

dola

I'll also need night actions from players with night actions.

Telle · 08-02-2007, 02:13 PM

VOTE NIGHTFALL

Telle · 08-02-2007, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

How perfect that you were the one to respond to my post.........

As path said during the after-game discussion last game, "Sew fear, confusion and doubt. A fun way to play as a wolf."

Schmidty · 08-02-2007, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle

As path said during the after-game discussion last game, "Sew fear, confusion and doubt. A fun way to play as a wolf."

I agree with that, and I might be lying, but I might not be. Would I be stupid enough to out a "potential" wolf? Apparantly I am.

But it won't matter after this lynch, because tomorrow is your last day.

Telle · 08-02-2007, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

I agree with that, and I might be lying, but I might not be. Would I be stupid enough to out a "potential" wolf? Apparantly I am.

But it won't matter after this lynch, because tomorrow is your last day.

So then why don't you go ahead and vote nightfall and bring on your wolf-winning day?

Schmidty · 08-02-2007, 02:24 PM

Because I want to prolong your suffering!!!!!!!!

DaddyTorgo · 08-02-2007, 02:24 PM

i can say this. i'm not a wolf right now, and i have not had any notice that i was converted at all.

i get really pissed off when i get converted too. because then it's like...stabbing the team you've been fighting for in the back. so i hope i wasn't.

08-02-2007, 11:56 AM	#1670
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

08-02-2007, 02:01 PM	#1688
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	If Gonzo votes for schmidty also can we then get a Nightfall vote? __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

08-02-2007, 02:09 PM	#1690
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I will accept nightfall votes, but will require a unanimous decision. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

08-02-2007, 02:12 PM	#1694
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	dola I'll also need night actions from players with night actions. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

08-02-2007, 11:01 AM	#1651
JHandley High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Seattle	Ok, I'm doing this this way because I really don't feel I have much left to offer the game in my role. I'd also like to expand the CoT. I am the young Sherlock Holmes. Here's what I have. Day 1: Investigated Barkeep. Came up clean. Turned up dead on day 2. Day 2: Investigated Lathum. Came up clean. Turned up dead on day 3 Day 3: Investigated Tanglewood. Came up clean. Day 4: Investigated KWhit. Came up Good Scientist. Day 5: Investigated Gonzo. Came up clean. Day 6: Investigated Path12. Came up clean. Day 4 is where things got interesting. After 2 of my first three investigations came up dead the following day, I just fired a complete shot in the dark. Hit Kwhit. I probably should have investigated Oliegirl. But, I was very conflicted about that. I really felt it unfair to use that information to help me form my leads when looking for the Mad Scientist. However, it kinda ended up working out. As soon as the night killing was done, KWhit came out wanting to kill Oliegirl. Knowing he was the Good Scientist, I was determined to follow his lead, so I jumped on board. I am still as certain as I can be that she's the Mad Scientist. That brings us to last nights vote. Again, I was determined to follow Kwhit's lead, so when he came out wanting to lynch Schmidty, I was completely on board. I didn't know if Schmidty was a wolf, but I knew he wasn't a confirmed villager. By the way, this is why I kept defending BK when he went after Alan. BK was a no-lynch voter and wasn't the mad scientist. I was operating under the assumption that the MS needed some of the other players to complete his research. Therefore, it made sense that Also, I may never understand the way in which Alan first semi-revealed. Everyone thought he was bad in someway, and only a few were willing to give him a day or two to sort it out. If Alan hadn't revealed on day 3, he would have had to on day 4. BK was hard after Alan for all the right reasons and instead of working on his theories, or more importantly working on finding a real wolf, he had to spend time defending himself from Alan. Anyway, that's all I got. I have no new information at all, I have no hints, tips or any semblence of direction of the next vote. At this point, anyone who hasn't been cleared explictly by Kwhit is a target. I just wish I had more to go on.

08-02-2007, 11:08 AM	#1653
JHandley High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Seattle	Triple Dola - In my reveal post, where it says "Therefore, it made sense that Also, I may never understand the way in which Alan first semi-revealed." It should read: "Therefore it made sense that the mad scientist would not want a day 1 lynching."

08-02-2007, 11:12 AM	#1654
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	young sherlock only searches for the mad scientist though right? so he could run right into a wolf and not realize it...

08-02-2007, 11:17 AM	#1656
JHandley High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Seattle	Yep, exactly. Which is why I felt my role was worthless, except to exonerate me from accusations of being a wolf. I really do believe that DC/OG was the Mad Scientist due to what Kwhit saw and the odd way that whole thing played out.

08-02-2007, 11:19 AM	#1657
JHandley High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Seattle	And I realize I wasn't on the block, but I felt the last thing I could offer was to at least take one more target off the list.

08-02-2007, 11:21 AM	#1658
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Ok.. so this at least tells us that JHandley is a villager and Gonzo is completely 100% clean since both JHandley and KWhit scanned him. So, the CoT has expanded and that's definitely a good thing.

08-02-2007, 11:27 AM	#1659
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	TRUST: JHandley Gonzo Cartman DaddyTorgo low trust: Schmidty, LSG Medium-Trust RendeR, Telle, Neon_Chaos who else am i missing who belongs in medim-trust?

08-02-2007, 11:32 AM	#1660
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	dola - updated TRUST: JHandley Gonzo Cartman DaddyTorgo low trust: Schmidty, LSG Medium-Trust RendeR, Telle, Neon_Chaos, Path12

08-02-2007, 11:33 AM	#1661
JHandley High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Seattle	Path

08-02-2007, 11:35 AM	#1663
JHandley High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Seattle	Also, I've got plans tonight for dinner. So I will not be around for the deadline vote. I'm going to hold off on voting until 4pm pst and then cast then. I understand we're on Schmidty now, but I'd rather wait to see how the rest of the day plays out before casting a vote that I may not be able to change.

08-02-2007, 11:44 AM	#1666
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	out for lunch. better part of an hour likely

08-02-2007, 11:50 AM	#1667
JHandley High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Seattle	Hey, looks like we have a pretty constant visitor to the thread. Cap Ologist, are you planning on playing in the next game?

08-02-2007, 12:04 PM	#1673
JHandley High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Seattle	That's my hope. Even if all I did was narrow the suspects, then I think it was a worthwhile reveal at this point in the game.

08-02-2007, 12:17 PM	#1676
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	I think that we need to start looking at a conversion ability... Shouldn't the mad scientist be powerful enough to create another wolf? I think after we kill schmidty tonight, tomorrow we need to look at people that were cleared in the first three days

08-02-2007, 01:23 PM	#1683
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i think we started with 3 and had a conversion possible. now whether that conversion happened is anybody's guess. we don't know what conditions if any there were on the mad scientist converting...maybe it was a 2 night process and we lynched in the middle of it or something? or maybe it only had a % chance of success and it failed...who knows.

08-02-2007, 01:26 PM	#1684
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	If this game isn't over once we lynch Schmidty and LSG I'll be pretty darn shocked. And I guess that's the point that we need to start concerning ourselves with whether or not one of the trusted people may have been converted.

08-02-2007, 01:33 PM	#1685
JHandley High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Seattle	Doesn't look like there's going to be any movement on this before 4 pst, so I'll vote now. VOTE SCHMIDTY

08-02-2007, 01:43 PM	#1687
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Schmidty and Gonzo are the only two that have not yet voted. All others have voted for Schmidty.

08-02-2007, 02:11 PM	#1692
JHandley High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Seattle	VOTE NIGHTFALL

08-02-2007, 02:13 PM	#1695
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	VOTE NIGHTFALL

08-02-2007, 02:24 PM	#1699
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Because I want to prolong your suffering!!!!!!!!

08-02-2007, 02:24 PM	#1700
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i can say this. i'm not a wolf right now, and i have not had any notice that i was converted at all. i get really pissed off when i get converted too. because then it's like...stabbing the team you've been fighting for in the back. so i hope i wasn't.

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