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Old 08-27-2005, 08:31 PM   #501
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btw- I saw dubb has been in the room, you trying to figure out how to get out of this?
I'm puzzled as to what this means.
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Old 08-27-2005, 08:35 PM   #502
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I'm puzzled as to what this means.
what it means is that dubb was quick to jump to blades defense, when I called him out on it he got pretty quiet
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Old 08-27-2005, 08:42 PM   #503
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Just got home from work. Again, I'm loving all the evidence that us villagers have been able to produce. Let's make it 3 for 3.

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Old 08-27-2005, 08:47 PM   #504
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what it means is that dubb was quick to jump to blades defense, when I called him out on it he got pretty quiet

dubb was also one of the ones pushing to save SackAttack and trying to refute henry. Something just isn't adding up with him.
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Old 08-27-2005, 09:41 PM   #505
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No, I didn't believe Henry @ first, I believed RA, and I'm pretty sure Lathum is lieing. If he's not i'm sorry, but seriously how many seers do we have?

BTW I'm not defending Blade, I just don't believe Lathum.
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Old 08-27-2005, 09:49 PM   #506
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think i missed the vote, and it looks like im dead,,,lathum is lying, im a villager and it looks like its too late...game should be over with possibly three villagers dying tonight(me, and two night kills)...cant believe you guys believed three role reveals in a row, especially after the first two were clean...god, cant believe you let lathum get away with it...

Vote lathum if possible..if not, its been fun...bloody shame boys

EDIT: Im still stunned you guys were ignorant enough to believe 3 role reveals in a row...i could see the first two, but god damn...especially after neon revealed the roles since both the seer and investigator were dead...god damn...
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Old 08-27-2005, 10:33 PM   #507
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Sorry I'm late to the party and I hope I didn't miss the vote!!!

I think I totally agree with Lathum's analysis here. Not sure who would be a better person to get (dubb or Blade), but Blade especially has seemed very shady.

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Old 08-27-2005, 10:48 PM   #508
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Considering the deadline is SUNDAY night at 9 PM no one has missed the deadline.
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Old 08-27-2005, 11:24 PM   #509
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I've been out all day, and am about to take my wife out for her birthday. I'll try and catch up in the thread tomorrow and will definitely get a vote in.
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Old 08-28-2005, 02:45 AM   #510
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alright, ive got frat rush stuff tomorrow(want to go sigma ki), so i wont be around...since apparently we have till sunday im happy to answer any questions you guys have...looks like majority has already been reached against me, so all i can do is protest...

Im a villager, and if lathum is saying otherwise you have to assume hes mafia or warewolf..

Why would neon give me turncoat(my role last game) again?? Even if its random, no one gets the same role twice in a row...the odds are astronomical...to believe that is stupid...im not a seer, not a theif, not anything...ask me what youd like, but im a villager....there isnt some fancy role description...

My role consisted of(not exact copy, against the rules)

You're a villager, plain and simple

Not much else i can say, if you have any questions, ask...otherwise hope for your sakes mafia or warewolf hit eachother sunday night or else its as good as over...
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Old 08-28-2005, 11:03 AM   #511
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Why would neon give me turncoat(my role last game) again?? Even if its random, no one gets the same role twice in a row...the odds are astronomical...to believe that is stupid...im not a seer, not a theif, not anything...ask me what youd like, but im a villager....there isnt some fancy role description...

When did 1/20 become "astronomical"?
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Old 08-28-2005, 07:04 PM   #512
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OK, read through the thread now.

Little else to do, but Vote Blade.
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Old 08-28-2005, 08:19 PM   #513
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When did 1/20 become "astronomical"?

I was actually considering the random layout of all roles with me being turncoat, but even looking at it your way its at best 1-40...but thats not taking into random effect...looks like its over, still cant believe you let lathum pull that out of his ass...god damn
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Old 08-28-2005, 09:08 PM   #514
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I was actually considering the random layout of all roles with me being turncoat, but even looking at it your way its at best 1-40...but thats not taking into random effect...looks like its over, still cant believe you let lathum pull that out of his ass...god damn

Uh, no. Last game was independent of this game.

When looking at how NC assigned the roles, if I asked "What are the chances Blade is the turncoat", the odds are 1/20 -- period.
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Old 08-28-2005, 09:59 PM   #515
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Blade6119 - Lathum, MrBug708, RealDeal, pennywisesb, kingfc22, RPI-Fan, digamma, Barkeep49
Lathum - dubb93, Blade6119

You all find a majority vote against Blade6119... he seems resigned to his fate. Before you wrap his neck with a noose, he speaks out one last time.

"I don't understand why you are so easily swayed... I am innocent. What have you done?"

Noone bothers to listen. You quickly tie a noose around his neck and hang him. He struggles for a while before expiring. You then proceed to look into Blade6119's room. It is clear and without a doubt that Blade6119 was a Villager!

IT IS NOW NIGHT(4)! NIGHT ACTIONS ARE DUE AT 9AM EDT.
1. kingfc22
2. Blade6119 - Villager, lynched Day 4
3. Vince - Sorceror, killed by Werewolves Night 1
4. SackAttack - Mafia Lieutenant, lynched Day 2
5. MrBug708
6. dubb93
7. ardent enthusiast - Villager, killed by Mafia Night 2
8. raiders army - Seer, killed by Werewolves Night 3
9. Lathum
10. saldana - Villager, killed by Mafia Night 3
11. Mr. Wednesday - Werewolf, lynched Day 3
12. henry296 - Investigator, killed by Mafia Lieutenant Day 2
13. digamma
14. cartman - Villager, killed by Werewolves Night 2
15. RealDeal
16. Barkeep49
17. Bek - Villager, lynched Day 1
18. pennywisesb
19. RPI-Fan
20. SnDvls - Villager, killed by Mafia Night 1
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Old 08-28-2005, 10:05 PM   #516
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Heh. Just hopped into this thread to see how it was going...and Blade was killed. Oh how fitting.

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Old 08-28-2005, 10:05 PM   #517
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Since pokerstars ****** it: Lathum you bastard.

Sorry Blade.
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Old 08-28-2005, 10:09 PM   #518
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OK, so I lied. That's what turncoats do.
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Old 08-28-2005, 10:53 PM   #519
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Old 08-28-2005, 10:53 PM   #520
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Old 08-28-2005, 11:06 PM   #521
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Seriously guys, read my posts yesterday, use some common sense, read Lathum's "reveal post" and it was obvious he wasn't telling the truth. I can't believe that everyone fell for it.
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Old 08-28-2005, 11:16 PM   #522
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OK, so I lied. That's what turncoats do.
So now the question becomes:

Is he lying about this too and is really a mafia/wolf? If he lives the night we might be better off turning our attention elsewhere since he is annoying , and potentially dangerous in a close vote, but can't kill us and has no more idea than the rest of us who the mafia are. On the otherhand if he's a predator, he must go down.
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Old 08-28-2005, 11:18 PM   #523
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So now the question becomes:

Is he lying about this too and is really a mafia/wolf? If he lives the night we might be better off turning our attention elsewhere since he is annoying , and potentially dangerous in a close vote, but can't kill us and has no more idea than the rest of us who the mafia are. On the otherhand if he's a predator, he must go down.
annoying? that hurts
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Old 08-28-2005, 11:55 PM   #524
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annoying? that hurts
I'm sorry. I forgot that liars have feelings too .
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Old 08-28-2005, 11:58 PM   #525
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Old 08-29-2005, 12:00 AM   #526
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Old 08-29-2005, 12:01 AM   #527
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don't be so quick to kill me. Think about it...
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Old 08-29-2005, 12:04 AM   #528
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Dang. Sorry Blade, it looks like Lathum had me fooled.
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Old 08-29-2005, 12:08 AM   #529
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don't be so quick to kill me. Think about it...

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Old 08-29-2005, 12:16 AM   #530
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What we have to do is decide if he is mafia, werewolf, or turncoat. If he is turncoat he isn't worth killing. We simply don't have the numbers. That was one of the points I tried to make yesterday, the other being WE DON'T HAVE 3 FREAKIN SEERS.
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Old 08-29-2005, 09:42 AM   #531
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What we have to do is decide if he is mafia, werewolf, or turncoat. If he is turncoat he isn't worth killing. We simply don't have the numbers. That was one of the points I tried to make yesterday, the other being WE DON'T HAVE 3 FREAKIN SEERS.
actually we do. I was able to spot the investigator on the second night. Once I knew henry was the investigator I knew I could sell blade out as a villegar.
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Old 08-29-2005, 11:03 AM   #532
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Last night, you head several gunshots... and an ear-piercing scream. You cowered in your beds, trying not to remember those sounds. It has been an unfortunate event after another...

You wake up, expecting two dead bodies again, but find that only one man is missing.

You find RealDeal's body, mangled and half-eaten in front of his house. You also notice a seal... it confirms that RealDeal was the Regional Magistrate!

You are surprised that only one man is dead... and then relieved. At least one of you gets a second lease on life today.

1. kingfc22
2. Blade6119 - Villager, lynched Day 4
3. Vince - Sorceror, killed by Werewolves Night 1
4. SackAttack - Mafia Lieutenant, lynched Day 2
5. MrBug708
6. dubb93
7. ardent enthusiast - Villager, killed by Mafia Night 2
8. raiders army - Seer, killed by Werewolves Night 3
9. Lathum
10. saldana - Villager, killed by Mafia Night 3
11. Mr. Wednesday - Werewolf, lynched Day 3
12. henry296 - Investigator, killed by Mafia Lieutenant Day 2
13. digamma
14. cartman - Villager, killed by Werewolves Night 2
15. RealDeal - Regional Magistrate, killed by Werewolves Night 4
16. Barkeep49
17. Bek - Villager, lynched Day 1
18. pennywisesb
19. RPI-Fan
20. SnDvls - Villager, killed by Mafia Night 1

IT IS NOW DAY(5)!!! VOTES ARE DUE AT 9PM EDT!
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Old 08-29-2005, 11:13 AM   #533
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Old 08-29-2005, 11:39 AM   #534
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Old 08-29-2005, 11:43 AM   #535
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Old 08-29-2005, 11:49 AM   #536
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Yes, the way I see it there are 10 of us left. Out of that 10 either 2 or 4 are not villagers. Lets say that there are 2 mafia and 2 wolves left.

That leaves 6 villagers and 4 bad guys. Blade, the turncoat as you say counts in the 6 villagers. We lynch him its down to 5-4, they kill 2, we're @ 3-4.

Lets say it is 8-2. Same situation, we kill Blade we're down to 7-2, lose 2 and its 5-2. I just think it would be much better to take a shot @ a mafia/werewolf instead of a GUY we know isn't either one. He's not a threat, on top of that I find 3 seers to be hard to believe. You come out just after the other 2 are dead. You are lieing.

Vote Lathum

Now that we've lost 2 villagers and are down to eight, let's re-visit the numbers game.

Could we still be at 4 villagers, 2 mafia and 2 werewolves? We don't know the baddies winning conditions, so I think we need to start trying to count them in three different groups. Villagers, mafia and wolves.

Alternatively, if the baddies win by getting an even ratio of total baddies to good guys, then it couldn't have been 6-4 yesterday. We'd be down to 4-4 after losing Blade and RealDeal.
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Old 08-29-2005, 12:06 PM   #537
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So the mafia was foiled last night! Good job bodyguard. Sucks we had to lose RealDeal before he could use his power though.
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Old 08-29-2005, 12:17 PM   #538
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So the mafia was foiled last night! Good job bodyguard. Sucks we had to lose RealDeal before he could use his power though.
He would just as likely strike down a villager as a baddie.
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Old 08-29-2005, 01:20 PM   #539
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what to do, what to do...
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Old 08-29-2005, 02:04 PM   #540
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Well, the mafia attacked me last night and I would like to thank the bodyguard for saving me.

I just can not believe that we have 2 mafia and 2 wolves left. That would mean that we started the game with 3 mafia, 3 wolves, 1 turncoat, 1 sorcerer and 12 villagers. That just doesn't seem very fair. If this was the case, the count would show up as 4-4, but in reality the villagers would be behind 3-5 due to the turncoat.

I would like to think we have 1 mafia, 1 wolf, and 1 turncoat left. 5-3.

The question today is: Do we kill Lathum? Do we think he is mafia or do we think he is the turncoat?
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Old 08-29-2005, 02:12 PM   #541
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It certainly would be a bold strategy for a Mafia to "hide" as a turncoat. This play only makes sense though if there are 2 Mafia left. If it's just 1, and your bit about fairness makes sense, then it doesn't make sense as if he were lynched it's game over for them.
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Old 08-29-2005, 02:20 PM   #542
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On the day Mr. W (a wolf) was lynched he made a post he offered a rebuttal to RA's accusation.

Barkeep went along with Mr. W's play in post 356. He also voted for Henry on day one, when any bad guy who was paying attention would have realized that he was a seer.

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So if anyone has any ideas about who the Mafia is, as I think they are closer to elimination than the wolves, I would be very willing to change my vote.

And as a villager at that point in the game I would want to kill any bad guy especially since RA had said that Mr. W was a wolf, which meant we would have killed one of each after that day.

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It certainly would be a bold strategy for a Mafia to "hide" as a turncoat. This play only makes sense though if there are 2 Mafia left. If it's just 1, and your bit about fairness makes sense, then it doesn't make sense as if he were lynched it's game over for them.

I agree with Barkeep here, it wouldn't make much sense for the last mafia to come out and "hide" behind the turncoat role. At this point, I think Lathum probably really is the turncoat and there is probably one mafia left because it would be pretty ridiculous if the mafia started out with 3 plus a turncoat, plus the wolves. It wouldn't give us villagers much of a chance to begin with.
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On the day Mr. W (a wolf) was lynched he made a post he offered a rebuttal to RA's accusation.

Barkeep went along with Mr. W's play in post 356. He also voted for Henry on day one, when any bad guy who was paying attention would have realized that he was a seer.


And as a villager at that point in the game I would want to kill any bad guy especially since RA had said that Mr. W was a wolf, which meant we would have killed one of each after that day.

Vote Barkeep


let's see how this plays out

Henry was suspicous on day 1. I don't buy the idea that "any bad guy would know he was the seer". Obviously not 1 but TWO sets of bad guys didn't cause he didn't get killed that night. King I think you've played an interesting game. One where you've been basically quiet the whole time. Either you are a bodyguard type role or a bad guy. If you're a bad guy now's a great time to try and swing the vote to ensure that the villagers lose. I am not going to vote you yet, as you could simply be a villager taking a risk, but I think you have the weakest of cases.
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On the day Mr. W (a wolf) was lynched he made a post he offered a rebuttal to RA's accusation.

Barkeep went along with Mr. W's play in post 356. He also voted for Henry on day one, when any bad guy who was paying attention would have realized that he was a seer.


And as a villager at that point in the game I would want to kill any bad guy especially since RA had said that Mr. W was a wolf, which meant we would have killed one of each after that day.

Vote Barkeep


let's see how this plays out

I guess my question here is, why have you waited so long to bring your analysis forth? The last post you quoted was like 200 posts ago.
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Right now I suspect Bug, King and Barkeep in that order. Still waiting to see where today takes us. I am also pretty sure that the whole barkeep/king thing one is a bad guy, the other a villager. Right now I'm leaning toward King being the bad guy(his analysis makes no sense), but I also highly suspect Bug for some reason.
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Old 08-29-2005, 03:55 PM   #548
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Right now I suspect Bug, King and Barkeep in that order. Still waiting to see where today takes us. I am also pretty sure that the whole barkeep/king thing one is a bad guy, the other a villager. Right now I'm leaning toward King being the bad guy(his analysis makes no sense), but I also highly suspect Bug for some reason.
how do you explain king being protected last night?
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how do you explain king being protected last night?

He could be lying--you of all people should know that I don't want to point the finger because I want to know why Kingfc waited so long to mention his suspicions, but I feel the same way as Dubb does when thinking King's analysis is alittle flimsy at this point. We villagers can't lynch a villager today or else we're going to be screwed, so I want to be sure (or relatively sure) before I vote someone.
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