Werewolf XXXIII: Animal Farm (SEE POST #4 FOR ALL UPDATES)

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

Who exactly are you referring to?

That was to Lathum, not to you.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

Who exactly are you referring to?

me

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I've made some dumb plays in this game but even I'm not that bad.

We don't have much to go on yet, so we have to float all of the theories.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

please elaborate

Obviously anyone with a last minute vote is going to cause people to look at them and ask why...

[bulletsponge]

Lathum and realdeal want me dead

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by BrianD

Obviously anyone with a last minute vote is going to cause people to look at them and ask why...

or could cause a guilty party to cast suspiscion on someone else?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

Lathum and realdeal want me dead

lol, you are dead after their moves...i dont think swaggs can duke again, and if he can, i doubt he will...sorry for your early death again bullet...i defended you last game and they killed you early, it appears it has happened again.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Lathum

or could cause a guilty party to cast suspiscion on someone else?

Ah, so you changed your vote and expected the first person to question you to be evil? OK.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by BrianD

Ah, so you changed your vote and expected the first person to question you to be evil? OK.

lol, and that was you...priceless

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

lol, and that was you...priceless

Of course it was me, because I was paying attention and two people changing at the end is odd. You didn't think it was going to be odd when you called for people with big brass ones to come in and break the tie?

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

lol, and that was you...priceless

Oh, and since you apparently missed it...sarcasm.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by BrianD

We don't have much to go on yet, so we have to float all of the theories.

just wanted to remind you of what you said a few minutes ago...

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Lathum

just wanted to remind you of what you said a few minutes ago...

Fair enough, I just don't like when the theories are about me.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by BrianD

Of course it was me, because I was paying attention and two people changing at the end is odd. You didn't think it was going to be odd when you called for people with big brass ones to come in and break the tie?

No, i figured someone would...didnt expect two, but the fact 2 did makes me think their clear(well, at least 1)...no 2 wolves would swap together. I actually expected one of the usueless votes to swap in at the last second, not one to the other

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

No, i figured someone would...didnt expect two, but the fact 2 did makes me think their clear(well, at least 1)...no 2 wolves would swap together. I actually expected one of the usueless votes to swap in at the last second, not one to the other

Considering how little we really do have to go on, one choice is probably as good as another...

[hoopsguy]

I'm looking forward to the point in the game where we really understand what happened here at the end.

[path12]

Final vote count:

bulletsponge 7 -- BrianD (364), Chubby (373), GoldenEagle (400), Anxiety (409), Swaggs (424), Lathum (440), RealDeal (443)
GoldenEagle 4 -- Alan T (296), Grammaticus (297), bulletsponge (349), Greyroofoo (432)
BrianD 3 -- Bek (343), Conflaguration (379), Blade (430)
Anxiety 1 -- Passacaglia (381)
Grammaticus 1 -- Dodgerchick (382)
Passacaglia 1 -- hoopsguy (425)

Not voting: ardent

Unlike yesterday, today's arguments were far more focused. Although early suspicion fell upon GoldenEagle for his mysterious disappearance yesterday, the seemingly odd antics of bulletsponge eventually gathered the attention of most. Bulletsponge was called forward and quickly dispatched.

Oddly, it seemed easier the second time around.......which is almost more disturbing than the anguish of yesterday.

BULLETSPONGE HAS BEEN LYNCHED. NIGHT ACTIONS DUE BY 9AM TOMORROW.

[bulletsponge]

ive died early in all but 1 WW game ive been in.

[Bek]

here is what scares me...the quick switch and the end of the day...

[Lathum]

in case i die tonight here is my reason for switching. I didn't want a tie. With no role reveal knowledge the bad guys have a considerable advantage. If one of them had the tie break ability they would have an easy descion. I would rather take a shot at getting one of them then letting them pick us off. I realize it puts a target on me but it is programed in my brain that ties are a bad thing.

[Lathum]

dola- they have an advantag when it comes to breaking a tie since they know who each other are

[Abe Sargent]

Lathum, I absoltuely agree with your move and it moves you up in my eyes.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

ive died early in all but 1 WW game ive been in.

boo friggin hoo for you...i've died the first damn day in 2 out of the last 3 games....all you wolf bastards better run the next time i host a game!!!

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by saldana

boo friggin hoo for you...i've died the first damn day in 2 out of the last 3 games....all you wolf bastards better run the next time i host a game!!!

Hi saldana!

[Lathum]

abe, why you hame so early? Was she ugly

[saldana]

role: you are a wolf. you have a 1% chance of being successful on your night kill attempt, and a 99% chance of being spotted, identified, and hung by your diminuative testicles from a tree in the town square.

you must make a night kill attempt every night.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by saldana

role: you are a wolf. you have a 1% chance of being successful on your night kill attempt, and a 99% chance of being spotted, identified, and hung by your diminuative testicles from a tree in the town square.

you must make a night kill attempt every night.

Divide the village into packs of wolves. No villagers, just wolves!

[path12]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Divide the village into packs of wolves. No villagers, just wolves!

Not even packs -- 20 anarchists each with kill powers -- a bloody melee!

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by path12

Not even packs -- 20 anarchists each with kill powers -- a bloody melee!

Give every player a power that upon death they will randomly take someone with them. Watch as EVERY player dies during the first lynch, and laugh

[Bek]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Give every player a power that upon death they will randomly take someone with them. Watch as EVERY player dies during the first lynch, and laugh

someone likes the taste of blood...maybe even a little too much...

[Swaggs]

Is there any good reason why the person who held the tiebreaker yesterday should not reveal it?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Is there any good reason why the person who held the tiebreaker yesterday should not reveal it?

They are bad is a major reason not to..if their good, i cant think of much other then they are afraid of backlash and the added suspicion.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

They are bad is a major reason not to..if their good, i cant think of much other then they are afraid of backlash and the added suspicion.

I would hope that they would want to come forward with the information, as it would probably gain them additional trust. As it is now, for me, it kind of makes Anxiety look worse with the tiebreaker not taking credit for it. Like the tiebreaker does not want to be associated with him.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Lathum

abe, why you hame so early? Was she ugly

She cooked Ostrich steak, mashed potatoes, and bought some gourmet bread and macaroni and cheese with peppermint brownies and a fruit cup and Black Cherry soda. It was all here tonight.

I was dessert

[Lathum]

ostrich?

[hoopsguy]

It took me a minute to interpret the jbmagic post by Lathum and realize that "hame" = "home". From there, it all came together.

Kind of like I'm hoping this game will at some point ...

[hoopsguy]

Saldana, everyone knows you are bluffing about tough roles for wolves. And, even if you put them in place, they would hit their 1% rolls every single time.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Saldana, everyone knows you are bluffing about tough roles for wolves. And, even if you put them in place, they would hit their 1% rolls every single time.

Not if they are in my game

[hoopsguy]

Right, but in Saldana's games the wolves have something like 25 straight uninterrupted kills over two games. It is just spooky.

[Swaggs]

hoops, what do you think about the tiebreaker not revealing him or herself?

Do you think that bodes well for Anxiety? Or could the person who broke the tie be setting Anxiety up?

[hoopsguy]

Swaggs, I would prefer to have the information on the tie-breaker. Not having it revealed makes me suspicious that it was held by someone who is working against the Farm.

It doesn't mean that Anxiety is a bad guy, but the longer that information is not revealed, the more I'm forced to re-examine my assumptions that Anxiety is clear.

Scenarios:
1.) Squealer held it - doesn't know any identities, but wants to create chaos. Likely viewed Anxiety last night (or tonight) to help determine his actions going forward.
2.) Pilkington held it - if Anxiety was a revolutionary than Pilkington may or may not have known this.
3.) Anxiety held it - self-preservation no matter what side he was on
4.) A revolutionary held it - would look to create doubt by not revealing if Anxiety is not a revolutionary. Would be wondering what right play is if Anxiety is a revolutionary in a no role-reveal game.

But as far as I can tell, someone who is sympathetic to the Farm doesn't have a compelling reason not to reveal that they broke the tie (why did I use a double negative?), unless they think people will be looking for blood. I know I would not be, and I didn't get the sense that most people would be, for whatever that is worth.

[Alan T]

Its werewolf, of course people will be looking for any reason to lynch someone.

If I had the tiebreaker on day 1 (which I didnt) and I had to make a gut instinct on who I thought was bad between swaggs and anxiety without any info to go on, I really wouldn't want it held against me later.. especially if I chose to lynch someone who then later got revealed as good that evening.

I really would like to know who had the tiebreakers also to help us rule people out, but to say people not saying they had it means they are bad is pretty rediculous.. its Werewolf, we use anything to vote against people if it gives us some reason to.

[Alan T]

So about the lynch, do we even know if bullet was good or bad? I really would like to know what to think about the people who did a late switch.. but honestly don't have a clue about bullet.. Is this something we just don't know?

If we don't know he is good or bad, its going to make this very tough for us to rule people out by vote patterns

[saldana]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Right, but in Saldana's games the wolves have something like 25 straight uninterrupted kills over two games. It is just spooky.

37....but after all the love i have given them, i am still dead on the first night of the game AGAIN.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Alan T

So about the lynch, do we even know if bullet was good or bad? I really would like to know what to think about the people who did a late switch.. but honestly don't have a clue about bullet.. Is this something we just don't know?

If we don't know he is good or bad, its going to make this very tough for us to rule people out by vote patterns

we have a role that is told the lynch victims alignment...another that is told the night victims...im suprised you don't know that...its public in the rules and has been discussed quite a bit this game...did someone not read the roles since their EVIL!!!

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Its werewolf, of course people will be looking for any reason to lynch someone.

If I had the tiebreaker on day 1 (which I didnt) and I had to make a gut instinct on who I thought was bad between swaggs and anxiety without any info to go on, I really wouldn't want it held against me later.. especially if I chose to lynch someone who then later got revealed as good that evening.

I really would like to know who had the tiebreakers also to help us rule people out, but to say people not saying they had it means they are bad is pretty rediculous.. its Werewolf, we use anything to vote against people if it gives us some reason to.

I guess I just figure that I wouldn't hold it against them, and the tiebreak was against me. It was day 1 and both Anxiety and I did things to stand out signficantly for a first day.

I just think it would be helpful in forming a circle of trust down the road. I don't want to see someone wait until well down the road and then claim it if Anxiety is somehow killed and proven to be good.

[Swaggs]

Note to self: I should try to not use the phrase "down the road" so much when posting.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

we have a role that is told the lynch victims alignment...another that is told the night victims...im suprised you don't know that...its public in the rules and has been discussed quite a bit this game...did someone not read the roles since their EVIL!!!

Exactly.

That is where we have our strength in this game. We will have to go along blindly for a few days, but at some point in a few more days, we should get a boatload of information. That information, combined with behavior, voting patterns, and associations that are occurring now, should give us a lot to work with.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Note to self: I should try to not use the phrase "down the road" so much when posting.

Honestly, I thought it was some sort of code as much as you used it. I thought I had picked up on something useful.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

we have a role that is told the lynch victims alignment...another that is told the night victims...im suprised you don't know that...its public in the rules and has been discussed quite a bit this game...did someone not read the roles since their EVIL!!!

You're throwing out all kinds of accusations Blade.. its weird, since I have never ever attacked you in WW games before, but still you're pretty degrading of me.

Well anyways, the rule says that our people learn their full roles. I assumed we would know only if they were good or bad but not anything about if they were the seer, bodyguard, etc. I guess I'm just not as informed on this as you..


Or maybe your interpretation is completely different than mine since I obviously spent the entire morning reading those roles over and over and we even discussed them in this thread.

Anyways, keep on attacking me Blade, its fine. I think you still have 3 or 4 people you haven't accused yet of something this game.