2018 FOFC Hardcore League II w/keepers - 3 Hour clock starting 3/12 10am

[Ramzavail]

Please tell me who is still in and those who are, post your keepers and the rounds. However, we have some holes to fill in here. At least 3 guys are out.

It appeared that we agreed to keep 6 players.

This link should help everybody. Yahoo -Â*login

Keepers will escalate per the following:
Round 1-5 – increase one round per year
Round 6-10 – increase 2 rounds per year
Round 10-15 – increase 3 rounds per year
Round 16-20 – increase 4 rounds per year
Round 20 + - increase 5 rounds per year

Also, note, you cannot keep your first round pick in the second keeper year ever (because 1-1=0). However, please note that year 1 of the keeper is the round you drafted the player in last year. So if you drafted the player in round 2 last year, you keep him with your 2nd round pick this year.

Also, all free agents that are kept are subject to being kept at the last round (28th round) of the draft in year 1, then sliding scale after that. And if you want to keep multiple round 28 guys, you just keep them with the round before

Owners:
TroyF - Out - alternativestats - In
cubboyroy1826 - Out - bbs - In
cmgdodgers - In
Zinto - Out - GalacticActuary - In
Ramzavail - In
claphamsa - In
Chief Rum - In
Bowieinspace - In
laser - Out Ryro - In
heybrad -

[Ramzavail]

Not too concerned with cubboyroy's/Schwarbinators keepers.

I think at least 6 guys with Blackmon 2, Jose Ramirez 13, Domingo Santana 28, Alex Wood 28/27, Jansen 6, Gallo 28/27/26, Suarez 28/27/26/25, Stroman 14, Thames 22

[Ramzavail]

Or Laser/Florida Orange Sox.

Dee Gordon 8, Gio Gonzalez 24, Ozuna 12, Stanton 4, deGrom 6, Severino 28!

[Ramzavail]

or Zinto/Team Pat.

Votto 2, Turner 14, Upton 9, Kimbrel 13, E. Santana 27, Dozier 6, Cruz 5, Bauer 28

[Shkspr]

This is now apparently only the second most hardcore league on FOFC.

[cmgdodgers]

Can we get the draft order?

[claphamsa]

im in, i can probably recruit a friend.

[claphamsa]

did we ever figure out what happened to Zinto?

[claphamsa]

Google Sheets - create and edit spreadsheets online, for free.


google doc for tracking....

[claphamsa]

assuming i understand the keepers right...
ill keep
Felipe Rivero FA-28th round cost
Elvis Andrus 18th round-14th round cost
Marwin Gonzalez FA-27th round cost
Chase Anderson FA-26th round cost
Ender Inciarte 19th round -15th round cost
Anthony Rendon 11th round -8th round cost

so i have used my 8th, 14th, 15th, 26th, 27th, and 28th round picks

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by cmgdodgers

Can we get the draft order?

should be (based on reverse order of success) (and if this is it... i can update the spreadsheet)
Mathews team
High Stinky cheese
Florida Orange socks
Blue people
Benedict Lumberbatch
Schwarbinators
Presitge collection
Unstopable
the amazing mess
team pat

[ryro]

Hello all. I think I'm claphamsa's recruit. Is there still space in the league?

[Ramzavail]

Originally Posted by ryro

Hello all. I think I'm claphamsa's recruit. Is there still space in the league?

you can start looking at the "out" teams and see which one you want. Click on the yahoo link above.

[Ramzavail]

TroyF hasn't been on the forum since April 2017. I'm going to guess he's out. So we need to get at least 4 owners. I reached out to Chief Rum and Bowie.

[ryro]

I can't see the teams on the yahoo page because I'm not in the league. Can you add me?

[Ramzavail]

Team Pat
Player
2017 Draft Position
2017 Final Rank
Current O-Rank
Kyle Schwarber (ChC - LF) Round 7, Pick 4 517 137
Joey Votto (Cin - 1B) Round 2, Pick 7 4 18
José Altuve (Hou - 2B) Round 1, Pick 4 7 2
Justin Turner (LAD - 3B) Round 14, Pick 7 40 54
Hernán Pérez (Mil - 2B,3B,SS,LF,CF,RF) Round 28, Pick 7 842 441
Ian Desmond (Col - 1B,LF) Round 11, Pick 4 774 128
Brian Dozier (Min - 2B) DTD Round 6, Pick 7 37 39
Justin Upton (LAA - LF) Round 9, Pick 4 25 37
Curtis Granderson (Tor - LF,CF,RF) Round 26, Pick 7 401 411
Nelson Cruz (Sea - RF) DTD Round 5, Pick 4 18 43
Wil Myers (SD - 1B) Round 8, Pick 7 141 49
José Bautista (Tor - RF) NA Round 12, Pick 7 879 276
Hunter Pence (SF - RF) DTD Round 17, Pick 4 855 338
Miguel Cabrera (Det - 1B) Round 3, Pick 4 852 64
Eduardo Escobar (Min - 2B,3B,SS) - 410 447
Yu Darvish (ChC - SP) Round 4, Pick 7 130 44
J.A. Happ (Tor - SP) Round 19, Pick 4 236 251
Dan Straily (Mia - SP) Round 24, Pick 7 229 380
Trevor Bauer (Cle - SP) - 159 177
José Ureña (Mia - SP,RP) - 157 397
Dinelson Lamet (SD - SP) - 321 248
Craig Kimbrel (Bos - RP) Round 13, Pick 4 22 71
Wade Davis (Col - RP) Round 15, Pick 4 81 103
Tony Watson (SF - RP) Round 20, Pick 7 246 373
Ervin Santana (Min - SP) DTD Round 27, Pick 4 43 304
Matt Moore (Tex - SP) DTD Round 22, Pick 7 1079 1281
John Lackey (ChC - SP) NA Round 18, Pick 7 344 369
Garrett Richards (LAA - SP) Round 21, Pick 4 354 183
Florida Orange Sox
Player
2017 Draft Position
2017 Final Rank
Current O-Rank
Buster Posey (SF - C,1B) Round 5, Pick 10 102 67
Albert Pujols (LAA - 1B) Round 11, Pick 10 863 277
Dee Gordon (Sea - 2B) Round 8, Pick 1 85 36
Chase Headley (SD - 1B,3B) - 282 381
Dansby Swanson (Atl - SS) Round 14, Pick 1 1096 314
Jay Bruce (NYM - 1B,RF) - 99 165
Starlin Castro (Mia - 2B) - 255 221
Ben Zobrist (ChC - 2B,LF,RF) DTD Round 18, Pick 1 953 273
Marcell Ozuna (StL - LF) Round 12, Pick 1 15 42
Giancarlo Stanton (NYY - RF) Round 4, Pick 1 3 12
Yasiel Puig (LAD - RF) DTD Round 13, Pick 10 105 112
Dexter Fowler (StL - CF) Round 15, Pick 10 177 191
Josh Bell (Pit - 1B) Round 25, Pick 3 183 176
Matt Holliday (NYY - 1B) NA Round 23, Pick 10 715 589
Tim Anderson (CWS - SS) Round 15, Pick 2 867 219
Hunter Renfroe (SD - RF) Round 28, Pick 1 814 289
Troy Tulowitzki (Tor - SS) DTD Round 9, Pick 10 1113 1280
Max Scherzer (Was - SP) Round 1, Pick 10 8 9
Justin Verlander (Hou - SP) Round 3, Pick 10 45 35
Jacob deGrom (NYM - SP) DTD Round 6, Pick 1 58 33
Jeremy Hellickson (Bal - SP) NA Round 22, Pick 1 829 920
Luis Severino (NYY - SP) - 24 50
Tyson Ross (SD - SP) NA Round 27, Pick 10 960 1277
Ivan Nova (Pit - SP) Round 21, Pick 10 366 347
Aroldis Chapman (NYY - RP) Round 7, Pick 10 156 75
Jim Johnson (LAA - RP) - 304 398
Gio González (Was - SP) Round 24, Pick 1 46 156
Danny Duffy (KC - SP) DTD Round 10, Pick 1 250 147
Michael Pineda (Min - SP) DL Round 20, Pick 1 272 457
Madison Bumgarner (SF - SP) Round 2, Pick 1 235 27
Schwarbinators
Player
2017 Draft Position
2017 Final Rank
Current O-Rank
Alex Avila (Ari - C,1B) - 478 336
Edwin Encarnacion (Cle - 1B) Round 3, Pick 2 39 40
DJ LeMahieu (Col - 2B) Round 8, Pick 9 146 83
Kris Bryant (ChC - 3B,RF) Round 1, Pick 2 19 11
Andrelton Simmons (LAA - SS) - 210 198
Matt Carpenter (StL - 1B,2B,3B) DTD Round 4, Pick 9 134 102
José Ramírez (Cle - 2B,3B) Round 13, Pick 2 14 26
Eric Thames (Mil - 1B,LF) Round 22, Pick 9 118 167
Charlie Blackmon (Col - CF) Round 2, Pick 9 2 10
Miguel Sanó (Min - 1B,3B) DTD Round 9, Pick 2 132 110
Matt Kemp (LAD - LF) Round 12, Pick 9 543 214
Eugenio Suárez (Cin - 3B) - 101 202
Domingo Santana (Mil - RF) - 42 69
Brandon Drury (NYY - 2B) Round 24, Pick 9 810 562
Joey Gallo (Tex - 1B,3B,LF) - 103 146
Asdrúbal Cabrera (NYM - 2B,3B,SS) Round 21, Pick 2 328 387
Chris Archer (TB - SP) Round 5, Pick 2 158 55
José Quintana (ChC - SP) Round 7, Pick 2 162 76
Marcus Stroman (Tor - SP) Round 14, Pick 9 95 122
Ariel Miranda (Sea - SP) - 400 563
Mike Fiers (Det - SP) - 800 1137
Kenta Maeda (LAD - SP) Round 10, Pick 9 125 181
Kenley Jansen (LAD - RP) Round 6, Pick 9 23 62
David Robertson (NYY - RP) Round 18, Pick 9 47 287
Mike Foltynewicz (Atl - SP) - 834 346
Alex Wood (LAD - SP) DTD - 34 109
Michael Wacha (StL - SP) - 237 261
Steven Matz (NYM - SP) DTD Round 17, Pick 2 956 339
Evan Gattis (Hou - C) Round 11, Pick 2 777 185
Andrew Triggs (Oak - SP) - 556 526

[Ramzavail]

BluePeople
Player
2017 Draft Position
2017 Final Rank
Current O-Rank
Willson Contreras (ChC - C) Round 10, Pick 10 185 73
Kendrys Morales (Tor - 1B) Round 14, Pick 10 399 272
Neil Walker (Mil - 1B,2B) NA Round 28, Pick 10 462 499
Kyle Seager (Sea - 3B) Round 6, Pick 10 259 106
Francisco Lindor (Cle - SS) Round 2, Pick 10 48 19
Victor Martinez (Det - Util) Round 25, Pick 1 981 337
Addison Russell (ChC - SS) Round 15, Pick 1 933 218
Christian Yelich (Mil - CF) Round 5, Pick 1 70 47
Mike Trout (LAA - CF) Round 1, Pick 1 9 1
Aaron Judge (NYY - RF) DTD Round 20, Pick 10 1 15
Andrew Benintendi (Bos - LF,CF) Round 7, Pick 1 93 41
Ryan Zimmerman (Was - 1B) Round 23, Pick 1 26 115
J.D. Martinez (Ari - RF) NA Round 4, Pick 10 12 22
Byron Buxton (Min - CF) Round 12, Pick 10 329 59
Logan Forsythe (LAD - 2B,3B) Round 18, Pick 10 968 312
Gerrit Cole (Hou - SP) Round 8, Pick 10 189 78
Danny Salazar (Cle - SP) DTD Round 11, Pick 1 316 155
Francisco Liriano (Det - SP,RP) Round 22, Pick 10 929 1250
Dylan Bundy (Bal - SP) Round 21, Pick 1 164 197
Antonio Senzatela (Col - SP,RP) - 289 503
Sean Manaea (Oak - SP) Round 9, Pick 1 374 227
Alex Colomé (TB - RP) Round 17, Pick 1 97 117
Ken Giles (Hou - RP) Round 16, Pick 10 87 107
Robbie Ray (Ari - SP) Round 19, Pick 1 38 57
Adam Ottavino (Col - RP) Round 26, Pick 10 745 997
Ian Kennedy (KC - SP) Round 24, Pick 10 915 1000
Noah Syndergaard (NYM - SP) Round 3, Pick 1 361 29
Jon Gray (Col - SP) Round 13, Pick 1 168 159

[Ramzavail]

Those are the teams that are currently available.

Team Pat
Florida Orange Sox
Schwarbinators
BluePeople

[ryro]

I'll take the florida orange sox. Thanks for the copy/paste.

[Ramzavail]

great!

[Chief Rum]

I'm in

[Ramzavail]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

assuming i understand the keepers right...
ill keep
Felipe Rivero FA-28th round costCorrect
Elvis Andrus 18th round-14th round cost picked in the 18th, you can keep in the 18th
Marwin Gonzalez FA-27th round cost Correct
Chase Anderson FA-26th round cost Correct
Ender Inciarte 19th round -15th round cost picked in the 19th, you can keep in the 19th
Anthony Rendon 11th round -8th round cost picked in the 11th, you can keep in the 11th

so i have used my 8th, 14th, 15th, 26th, 27th, and 28th round picks

See above

The one thing I would add, and that everybody should read, is that when choosing keepers that have the same round, you want to choose the lowest round for the best player. If you think Marwin is the best keeper, keep him at 28 and keep somebody else at 27, etc.

[Ramzavail]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

should be (based on reverse order of success) (and if this is it... i can update the spreadsheet)
Mathews team
High Stinky cheese
Florida Orange socks
Blue people
Benedict Lumberbatch
Schwarbinators
Presitge collection
Unstopable
the amazing mess
team pat

I'm going to go with overall record and then playoff outcome.

Matthew's team
BluePeople
High Stinky Cheese
Florida Orange Sox
Benedict Lumberbatch
Schwarbinators
Prestige Collection
unstopable
The Amazin' Mess
Team Pat

Also, the draft needs to be snake.

Lastly, I am going to lower the playoff teams to 4, instead of 6, 6 is too many with a league of 10.

[Ramzavail]

Originally Posted by ryro

I'll take the florida orange sox. Thanks for the copy/paste.

Please PM me your email address so I can add you to the league, thanks.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Ramzavail

See above

The one thing I would add, and that everybody should read, is that when choosing keepers that have the same round, you want to choose the lowest round for the best player. If you think Marwin is the best keeper, keep him at 28 and keep somebody else at 27, etc.

I thought there was a penalty of a couple rounds to keep someone?

[Ramzavail]

Also, note, you cannot keep your first round pick in the second keeper year ever (because 1-1=0). However, please note that year 1 of the keeper is the round you drafted the player in last year. So if you drafted the player in round 2 last year, you keep him with your 2nd round pick this year.

[claphamsa]

thanks for clarifying for me! Ill adjust my keepers

[claphamsa]

gonna adjust my keepers to
Rivero round 28
Elvis Andurs Round 18
Anthony Rendon round 11
Lorenzo Cain round 15
Stephen Strasburg 4
Carlos Carrasco 5

And I will update the spreadsheet and create a new tab for keepers

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Ramzavail

Also, note, you cannot keep your first round pick in the second keeper year ever (because 1-1=0). However, please note that year 1 of the keeper is the round you drafted the player in last year. So if you drafted the player in round 2 last year, you keep him with your 2nd round pick this year.

So, this year only, I can keep my first round pick from last year by giving up my first rounder this year? Or does this not apply even this year?

[alternative stats]

Hi All - Ryro referred me to the league. I'd love to take over the Blue People team! Aaron Judge at round 20. ppsshhh sign me up! My name is Jake btw

[claphamsa]

great!

[bbs]

Hi There,
I'm with Ryro and was wondering if I could join your league as the Swarbinators.

[GalacticActuary]

I'm also with Ryro and heard there is another team that could be available. I'm interested in joining the league if you need one more!

[Ramzavail]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

So, this year only, I can keep my first round pick from last year by giving up my first rounder this year? Or does this not apply even this year?

you can only keep a 1st rounder for 1 year, because 1-1=0 and there is no 0 draft round.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Ramzavail

you can only keep a 1st rounder for 1 year, because 1-1=0 and there is no 0 draft round.

But my 2nd rounder I can keep by giving up my second rounder? That doesn't make sense to me. Logic follows that, in order to keep my second rounder from last year, I.need to give up my 2-1=1 1st rounder, right?

[cmgdodgers]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

But my 2nd rounder I can keep by giving up my second rounder? That doesn't make sense to me. Logic follows that, in order to keep my second rounder from last year, I.need to give up my 2-1=1 1st rounder, right?

Going forward yes, for this first off-season only your keepers are the round they were drafted (1=1, 9=9).

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by GalacticActuary

I'm also with Ryro and heard there is another team that could be available. I'm interested in joining the league if you need one more!

pick one of the open teams!

[Ramzavail]

The logic and the benefit of year 1 is that you get to keep the guy in the round you drafted him. The guy who drafted Aaron Judge in the 20th round, should get the benefit of keeping him in the 20th round. Then the subsequent years you start decreasing.

[claphamsa]

looks like all spots are filled (thanks Ryro)

[claphamsa]

lets pick keepers...people!!!! I have a tab in the spreadsheet....or you can post them here, and ill update!

we should get this going so we dont get cramped at the end of ST

[Ramzavail]

Updated the first post with the new teams. Still waiting to hear from Bowie.

bbs, alternative,galactic, please PM me your email address, thanks.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by cmgdodgers

Going forward yes, for this first off-season only your keepers are the round they were drafted (1=1, 9=9).

That's where my disconnect is then. Ramzavail says we can't keep our first rounder from last year based on the 1-1=0 rule, but every other player, for this year only, we can keep with a pick from the same round.

So my question is, if this year only, we're doing same rounds instead of one better, why aren't we able to keep our first rounders, this year only? Are we just making a rule to always exclude them, even this year?

I would rather be consistent across the whole draft class, or I would say there is no reason to ignore the one better pick rule this year for the entire draft class. Basically, I don't get ignoring that rule in our first offseason where we could do it, but still applying it to first rounders, rather arbitrarily.

[Ramzavail]

You are misunderstanding.

This is year 1 of keepers. And in year 1, you can keep any player you want in the round that you drafted him last year. Therefore, you can keep a 1st rounder if you want.

In year 2, that first round keeper turns into a 0 round, which is not possible. Also, all the other rounds slide back from the table above. If a player you kept in year 1, turns into a pumpkin in year 2 and you don't want to keep him anymore, you don't have to and you can keep a player you draft this year.

Hope that clears it up.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Ramzavail

You are misunderstanding.

This is year 1 of keepers. And in year 1, you can keep any player you want in the round that you drafted him last year. Therefore, you can keep a 1st rounder if you want.

In year 2, that first round keeper turns into a 0 round, which is not possible. Also, all the other rounds slide back from the table above. If a player you kept in year 1, turns into a pumpkin in year 2 and you don't want to keep him anymore, you don't have to and you can keep a player you draft this year.

Hope that clears it up.

It does, thanks.

[claphamsa]

buck says Trout doesnt get kept....

[Bowiesinspace]

I'm in if my spot is still available. Sorry for the delay.

[cmgdodgers]

We should probably set a deadline for keepers

[Ramzavail]

Sure - how about keeper deadline March 7th? Start the draft on the 8th ?

[claphamsa]

Friday AM, soft start till monday then full bore?

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Ramzavail

Sure - how about keeper deadline March 7th? Start the draft on the 8th ?

28 rounds man! sooner!