Werewolf XXXVI: Resident Evil (S.T.A.R.S. Wins! Post #1424) - Page 41

spleen1015 · 10-30-2006, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

So okay, based on your analysis, you believe I'm a zombie because I didn't switch when you asked me to?

Keep in mind that I've been behind with the reading and as the deadline grew closer, I glanced at the last few pages and felt a little bit of pressure to cast a vote, not knowing the backstory on each candidate and who had the most evidence against them. I honestly didn't see a case against Glen. Could I have missed something? Absolutely! It's not the first time it happened.

If you really aren't a zombie, moving your vote would have been a good move to earn you some trust. But since you're zombie, you couldn't move your vote because it meant losing the infector.

You'll live for another night. They're going to lynch me today instead.

hoopsguy · 10-30-2006, 02:52 PM

DC, it isn't just that you didn't move the vote, when it turned out the other guy was a Zombie. It is the lack of any information from Anxiety's play, which more or less continued with you while you were catching up. That is one of the things that often happens when you join a game in the middle - it is rare to be taking over for a cool, trusted role. So in addition to catching up with 1,700 posts you are in a position where you have to defend the play (or lack thereof) of the guy before you.

Is that cool, from where you sit? Probably not. But the rest of us trying to get a Zombie today have to act off the available information. I didn't trust Anxiety much, which is why I put the question to you when I did last night. You didn't respond at all to it. I have to evaluate that information and that is what I'm doing.

As it stands right now, my vote is on Spleen. But if you are able to point out compelling reasons why you are STARS that would help make sure it doesn't head back in your direction later.

spleen1015 · 10-30-2006, 02:56 PM

I have a lot to say strategically, but I can't say too much because it will help the Umbrella and zombie factions.

If you are STARS, you want to keep me around.

Chubby · 10-30-2006, 02:58 PM

Well I'm leaving for work so here's the votes so far with 7 hours to go:

(1) Fouts - SnDvls (1960)
(1) dodgerchick - spleen (1964)
(1) spleen - hoopsguy (1997)

hoopsguy · 10-30-2006, 03:02 PM

Spleen, do I need to pull out your voting record again to demonstrate that you are not the Police Chief and that you would be an amazingly bad Internal Affairs candidate?

Final Votes:
Spleen - Bullet (3rd), Alan (1st), Cronin (5th), Glen (2nd)

Before settling on Glen (self-preservation vote) you had votes on LSG and SnDvls.

If you want to fake role reveal, come out and claim a role - take your best shot. But don't act like you are the Police Chief after your performances on Days 2 and 3 with final votes on Alan and Cronin.

spleen1015 · 10-30-2006, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Spleen, do I need to pull out your voting record again to demonstrate that you are not the Police Chief and that you would be an amazingly bad Internal Affairs candidate?

Final Votes:
Spleen - Bullet (3rd), Alan (1st), Cronin (5th), Glen (2nd)

Before settling on Glen (self-preservation vote) you had votes on LSG and SnDvls.

If you want to fake role reveal, come out and claim a role - take your best shot. But don't act like you are the Police Chief after your performances on Days 2 and 3 with final votes on Alan and Cronin.

I'm not trying to fake role reveal. If I was going to try something like that, it would have been last night.

What I have to say is all from a strategic point of view. I want to make sure that STARS is looking at the game the same way I am.

spleen1015 · 10-30-2006, 03:13 PM

hoops, I know my voting record is extremely poor. As I said last night, I don't have a role that will gain me any information. So, I have to go along with the opinion of others in most cases.

For the record, Lathum was lynched last Thursday night. I was bowling when the vote swung toward him. I didn't have the opportunity to change my vote. I definitely would have voted for him if I was around when things happened. I'll be in the same boat again today. I will be out bowling after 7:30.

BrianD · 10-30-2006, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

For the record, Lathum was lynched last Thursday night. I was bowling when the vote swung toward him. I didn't have the opportunity to change my vote. I definitely would have voted for him if I was around when things happened. I'll be in the same boat again today. I will be out bowling after 7:30.

You definitely would have voted for him? You knew he was bad when just over half of the people in the game only suspected? That is a bold statement.

As it is, if you are a zombie, voting for him would have fit your strategy.

hoopsguy · 10-30-2006, 03:23 PM

Spleen, if you are STARS then you should post your strategy. It is entirely possible that we will make a mistake today. Both Umbrella and the Zombies will be trying to make sure that we do make a mistake to enhance their chances of winning.

So, if you have some strategic thoughts that you think we should know, I would encourage you to post them before your game ends.

As far as having a role that doesn't get information, it does leave you in a position of only being able to evaluate posts rather than having your own private stash of information that allows you to make better reads. But that does not mean that you have to go along with the opinion of others. In fact, I think having a plain villager role is a blast in these games because the level of risk is lower. You are not worried about burning a special role. If you go down instead of a special role, it is not as big a loss for the team. I take those games as an invitation to be even more aggressive with my analysis, rather than more passive. OK, time to step off the soapbox ...

spleen1015 · 10-30-2006, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

You definitely would have voted for him? You knew he was bad when just over half of the people in the game only suspected? That is a bold statement.

As it is, if you are a zombie, voting for him would have fit your strategy.

And it is within your best interest to slander me because you are Umbrella. So, getting my fellow STARS voting aginst me works in your favor.

spleen1015 · 10-30-2006, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Spleen, if you are STARS then you should post your strategy. It is entirely possible that we will make a mistake today. Both Umbrella and the Zombies will be trying to make sure that we do make a mistake to enhance their chances of winning.

So, if you have some strategic thoughts that you think we should know, I would encourage you to post them before your game ends.

As far as having a role that doesn't get information, it does leave you in a position of only being able to evaluate posts rather than having your own private stash of information that allows you to make better reads. But that does not mean that you have to go along with the opinion of others. In fact, I think having a plain villager role is a blast in these games because the level of risk is lower. You are not worried about burning a special role. If you go down instead of a special role, it is not as big a loss for the team. I take those games as an invitation to be even more aggressive with my analysis, rather than more passive. OK, time to step off the soapbox ...

I will post my thoughts before I leave later. I need to formulate some things. The problem is going to be giving up too much information to Umbrella and zombie. What I say could very much help them win. So, I don't know if it is a good idea. Let me do a little more research.

Mr. Wednesday · 10-30-2006, 03:27 PM

Right now, we CANNOT afford to lynch another STARS. In fact, I suspect it may be essential for us to vote as a bloc. We can count on Umbrella to do so, as long as it's in their interest.

hoopsguy · 10-30-2006, 03:32 PM

MrW, I think we may find ourselves in that position tomorrow. When I've run the numbers today, I've anticipated that we have at least one more day even with a bad lynch and a worst-case evening. Only way that does not add up is if there are still four Umbrella remaining.

Also, the Zombies can feel free to attack an Umbrella one of these evenings - seriously, every single kill has been STARS and it has been pretty annoying.

BrianD · 10-30-2006, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

I will post my thoughts before I leave later. I need to formulate some things. The problem is going to be giving up too much information to Umbrella and zombie. What I say could very much help them win. So, I don't know if it is a good idea. Let me do a little more research.

At this point an Umbrella or a zombie win is pretty much out the window. We've probably got one zombie left to take out. With 9 people in the game, there is no way the zombies get a 1:1 ratio anymore. I'm also pretty confident we can take out the one zombie before all of the remaining STARS are taken out. There really isn't much helpful info that can be given to anyone...certainly not enough to help them win.

spleen1015 · 10-30-2006, 03:33 PM

hoops, if you've looked at the numbers, then you might be seeing the same thing I am.

hoopsguy · 10-30-2006, 03:33 PM

If we are truly worried about the four Umbrella strategy then we could move our votes over to SnDvls. But the risk there is if there are still two zombies left then they have a chance for multiple kills this evening.

spleen1015 · 10-30-2006, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

If we are truly worried about the four Umbrella strategy then we could move our votes over to SnDvls. But the risk there is if there are still two zombies left then they have a chance for multiple kills this evening.

At some point we need to think about lynching them. If the way I see the rest of the folks is true, the Umbrella/zombie out number STARS.

On the same token, the zombies need to take out Umbrella to win as well.

I don't think there is anyway for STARS to avoid a lynching loss today.

spleen1015 · 10-30-2006, 03:43 PM

I want to make this public record before I possibly get lynched tonight.

Right now, I think there are 4 STARS left:
spleen, hoops, LSG and Mr. W.

I think there are 3 Umbrella left:
Fouts, SnDvls, BrianD

2 zombies left:
Chief Rum and Dodgerchick

Lorena · 10-30-2006, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

DC, it isn't just that you didn't move the vote, when it turned out the other guy was a Zombie. It is the lack of any information from Anxiety's play, which more or less continued with you while you were catching up. That is one of the things that often happens when you join a game in the middle - it is rare to be taking over for a cool, trusted role. So in addition to catching up with 1,700 posts you are in a position where you have to defend the play (or lack thereof) of the guy before you.

Is that cool, from where you sit? Probably not. But the rest of us trying to get a Zombie today have to act off the available information. I didn't trust Anxiety much, which is why I put the question to you when I did last night. You didn't respond at all to it. I have to evaluate that information and that is what I'm doing.

As it stands right now, my vote is on Spleen. But if you are able to point out compelling reasons why you are STARS that would help make sure it doesn't head back in your direction later.

Hoops, I admire your analytical skills, but it baffles me that you haven't looked through yesterday's posts and noticed that I was occupied most of the night with trying to catch up and tending to RL:

Post 1593 (my vote on Alan, while still catching up)
Post 1745 (occupied with the kids, vote still on Alan)
Post 1746 (I quoted your post based on your analysis of spleen's votes and voted for him)
Post 1755 (you ask me to switch votes)
Post 1861 at 10:29 central time (still tending to RL after the deadline)

So based on what you're saying about Anxiety's play vs. my play, you're saying that he didn't provide information. Alright, I get that. But what would have happened if I was on my keyboard and went along with you? Would I be trusted then? Maybe, maybe not.

I mean seriously, if I went along with your vote and Glen ended up being good, I would have set myself up pretty good now wouldn't I... being that no one has vouched for me. But I went with the information that made the most sense for me at the time... had I had information against Glen, hell yeah I would have voted for him.

spleen1015 · 10-30-2006, 03:48 PM

hoops, do you think there could possibly be 5 STARS left?

spleen1015 · 10-30-2006, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

Hoops, I admire your analytical skills, but it baffles me that you haven't looked through yesterday's posts and noticed that I was occupied most of the night with trying to catch up and tending to RL:

Post 1593 (my vote on Alan, while still catching up)
Post 1745 (occupied with the kids, vote still on Alan)
Post 1746 (I quoted your post based on your analysis of spleen's votes and voted for him)
Post 1755 (you ask me to switch votes)
Post 1861 at 10:29 central time (still tending to RL after the deadline)

So based on what you're saying about Anxiety's play vs. my play, you're saying that he didn't provide information. Alright, I get that. But what would have happened if I was on my keyboard and went along with you? Would I be trusted then? Maybe, maybe not.

I mean seriously, if I went along with your vote and Glen ended up being good, I would have set myself up pretty good now wouldn't I... being that no one has vouched for me. But I went with the information that made the most sense for me at the time... had I had information against Glen, hell yeah I would have voted for him.

If you're not zombie, then what are you?

Fouts · 10-30-2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Mr.W, we can largely count on Fouts' scans if you believe his order and believe that I'm actually a bodyguard.

Night 1 - protected Fouts
Night 2 - protected NTN
Night 3 - protected LSG (key here in trusting Fouts' scans)
Night 4 - stayed home on the protect

What? You left me hanging in the wind??? Grrr.

hoopsguy · 10-30-2006, 03:55 PM

I'm not sure I agree with the makeup of the teams, but I do agree that a bad lynch could leave the Zombies controlling our fate with their night kill.

hoopsguy · 10-30-2006, 03:58 PM

Fouts, it worked

And now I can protect you tonight. Of course, the Zombies also know that I'm dead meat tonight if they decide to come after me. Which is part of why I was curious about the order of night actions tonight.

Spleen, I think it is entirely possible that we have five STARS left. But I don't know that I would bet on it.

hoopsguy · 10-30-2006, 04:01 PM

DC, if you had moved then you would be more trusted in my eyes today.

If Glen had shown up as STARS and you had stayed then you would have been more trusted in my eyes today.

Basically, I didn't have a high level of trust for either you or BrianD last night. I now have a higher level of trust that Brian is not a Zombie, while being more suspicious that you are Zombie. Last night I took a high risk play hoping to get information, one way or the other. I'm glad it got us a Zombie, but I would have had more information for today no matter which way it turned out.

Fouts · 10-30-2006, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

In fact, I think having a plain villager role is a blast in these games because the level of risk is lower. You are not worried about burning a special role. If you go down instead of a special role, it is not as big a loss for the team. I take those games as an invitation to be even more aggressive with my analysis, rather than more passive. OK, time to step off the soapbox ...

Agreed. Put yourself out there to protect the roled players. Who cares if a vanilla role goes down?

hoopsguy · 10-30-2006, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Agreed. Put yourself out there to protect the roled players. Who cares if a vanilla role goes down?

Exhibits A and B of this behavior - Fouts (school teacher) and Spleen (mortician) last game. You guys were all over me for days last game. Neither of you felt like you had anything to lose with your roles, so you could feel free to make my Cowboy existence miserable.

Fouts · 10-30-2006, 04:15 PM

If we are worried about the Umbrella, we can take out SnDvls. I'd love to see how the votes stack up in that one.

Fouts · 10-30-2006, 04:17 PM

What do you think about stacking up against SnDvls? I am almost sure there is one zombie left.

Fouts · 10-30-2006, 04:18 PM

Oh, and before I forget. Nice shot Mr. W!

My analysis on Path was right on. His first vote on Lathum should have gotten him killed by the zombies.

BrianD · 10-30-2006, 04:22 PM

Guys, I have to take off to class. I'm going to cast my vote now on who I think the last zombie is. Hopefully I'll be back later tonight before the lynch to see what happened in the last few hours.

Vote Spleen

hoopsguy · 10-30-2006, 04:22 PM

Fouts, who did you scope out last night?

Fouts · 10-30-2006, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Fouts, who did you scope out last night?

I posted earlier that I scanned Mr. W. He is who he says he is.

Fouts · 10-30-2006, 04:28 PM

Here is my known list (and I will assume none of my cleared have been converted):

STARS - LSG, Hoops, Mr.W., Fouts
Umbrella - SnDvls

Left: DC, Chief Rum, Spleen, BrianD (in order of suspected zombie)

hoopsguy · 10-30-2006, 04:28 PM

Cool, just wanted to make sure that I was recalling correctly - thought you had said MrW before the morning results went up but didn't remember anything after that.

SnDvls · 10-30-2006, 04:31 PM

Kinda disappointed it's so slow in here today

Fouts · 10-30-2006, 04:31 PM

My best guess is that it is 5-3-1 (STARS, Umbrella, Zombie). I am concerned about a STARS lynch, followed by a STARS death. It would then be 3-3-1 and we'd be in trouble.

Now might be a good time to take out a known Umbrella to avoid a STARS lynch.

Fouts · 10-30-2006, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

Kinda disappointed it's so slow in here today

You could liven it up with some info, or we could lynch you.

hoopsguy · 10-30-2006, 04:34 PM

Since Umbrella only wins if we are all taken out I think it makes sense to continue pursuing zombies today.

Even if we were in a 4-4-1 scenario, Umbrella does not have a night action.
If we are in a 4-3-2 scenario, a bad lynch and the Zombies killing two STARS puts us really under the gun but it is damaging to the Zombies as well because the Umbrella people know each other and would be able to control the votes.

So I don't think it makes any sense to go after SnDvls this afternoon - let the Zombies take him out at night if they are trying to win the game.

I could be talked into moving my vote to Dodgerchick if someone has a strong vibe for her instead of Spleen. I suppose I could move to Chief Rum as well, although it would take a more persuasive argument.

hoopsguy · 10-30-2006, 04:36 PM

NM, just realized something dumb in the above post. 4-4-1 and a bad lynch = Umbrella controlling the vote tomorrow if the Zombies don't get Umbrella with their night action.

hoopsguy · 10-30-2006, 04:38 PM

Fouts, any strong reason to believe there are five STARS instead of four?

Fouts · 10-30-2006, 04:38 PM

I'm not sure about spleen. He's been acting weird today, but that might be normal for him. I have absolutely no information on Anxiety/DC. You can't get much more UtR than Anxiety/DC.

Fouts · 10-30-2006, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Fouts, any strong reason to believe there are five STARS instead of four?

I've only scanned 4 STARS. We don't want the Umbrella to control the voting tomorrow.

Fouts · 10-30-2006, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

I've only scanned 4 STARS. We don't want the Umbrella to control the voting tomorrow.

Well scanned 3 STARS and myself. You know the zombies will take out one of you, me or Mr. W.

hoopsguy · 10-30-2006, 04:45 PM

OK, I think this may extend the game an extra day in the long run, but it seems like the safe play is to evict an Umbrella today.

If someone has a clear path to a Zombie I would love to hear it between now and the deadline.

UNVOTE SPLEEN
VOTE SNDVLS

Fouts · 10-30-2006, 04:45 PM

I hope there are 5 STARS left, because if there are 4 Umbrella + 1 Zombie, I might get lynched.

Fouts · 10-30-2006, 04:46 PM

I think we need to knock off an Umbrella member, plus I want to see how people vote in this one. It will tell us alot about factions.

vote SnDvls

LoneStarGirl · 10-30-2006, 05:31 PM

I dont understand why we need to knock off umbrella? I think we need to hit a zombie....

vote dodgerchick

Fouts · 10-30-2006, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

I dont understand why we need to knock off umbrella? I think we need to hit a zombie....

vote dodgerchick

I guess it depends on where you think we are. The Umbrella just need to get control of the voting. Once they do, we are done.

If it is 5-3-1 right now and we miss and lynch a STARS, then the zombies kill a STARS, then it is 3-3-1 and we've lost control of the lynch.

I think the remaining zombie should be worried about an Umbrella win. Once the Umbrella get control of the vote, there will be no stopping them.

LSG, what are your thoughts on that?

spleen1015 · 10-30-2006, 05:43 PM

If Fouts can be trusted that he is STARS, then we have 5 STARS left. If there is 5 STARS left, then the right move is to lynch Dodgerchick.

10-30-2006, 03:27 PM	#2012
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10-30-2006, 02:52 PM	#2002
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	DC, it isn't just that you didn't move the vote, when it turned out the other guy was a Zombie. It is the lack of any information from Anxiety's play, which more or less continued with you while you were catching up. That is one of the things that often happens when you join a game in the middle - it is rare to be taking over for a cool, trusted role. So in addition to catching up with 1,700 posts you are in a position where you have to defend the play (or lack thereof) of the guy before you. Is that cool, from where you sit? Probably not. But the rest of us trying to get a Zombie today have to act off the available information. I didn't trust Anxiety much, which is why I put the question to you when I did last night. You didn't respond at all to it. I have to evaluate that information and that is what I'm doing. As it stands right now, my vote is on Spleen. But if you are able to point out compelling reasons why you are STARS that would help make sure it doesn't head back in your direction later.

10-30-2006, 02:56 PM	#2003
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	I have a lot to say strategically, but I can't say too much because it will help the Umbrella and zombie factions. If you are STARS, you want to keep me around.

10-30-2006, 02:58 PM	#2004
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	Well I'm leaving for work so here's the votes so far with 7 hours to go: (1) Fouts - SnDvls (1960) (1) dodgerchick - spleen (1964) (1) spleen - hoopsguy (1997)

10-30-2006, 03:02 PM	#2005
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Spleen, do I need to pull out your voting record again to demonstrate that you are not the Police Chief and that you would be an amazingly bad Internal Affairs candidate? Final Votes: Spleen - Bullet (3rd), Alan (1st), Cronin (5th), Glen (2nd) Before settling on Glen (self-preservation vote) you had votes on LSG and SnDvls. If you want to fake role reveal, come out and claim a role - take your best shot. But don't act like you are the Police Chief after your performances on Days 2 and 3 with final votes on Alan and Cronin.

10-30-2006, 03:13 PM	#2007
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	hoops, I know my voting record is extremely poor. As I said last night, I don't have a role that will gain me any information. So, I have to go along with the opinion of others in most cases. For the record, Lathum was lynched last Thursday night. I was bowling when the vote swung toward him. I didn't have the opportunity to change my vote. I definitely would have voted for him if I was around when things happened. I'll be in the same boat again today. I will be out bowling after 7:30.

10-30-2006, 03:23 PM	#2009
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Spleen, if you are STARS then you should post your strategy. It is entirely possible that we will make a mistake today. Both Umbrella and the Zombies will be trying to make sure that we do make a mistake to enhance their chances of winning. So, if you have some strategic thoughts that you think we should know, I would encourage you to post them before your game ends. As far as having a role that doesn't get information, it does leave you in a position of only being able to evaluate posts rather than having your own private stash of information that allows you to make better reads. But that does not mean that you have to go along with the opinion of others. In fact, I think having a plain villager role is a blast in these games because the level of risk is lower. You are not worried about burning a special role. If you go down instead of a special role, it is not as big a loss for the team. I take those games as an invitation to be even more aggressive with my analysis, rather than more passive. OK, time to step off the soapbox ...

10-30-2006, 03:32 PM	#2013
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	MrW, I think we may find ourselves in that position tomorrow. When I've run the numbers today, I've anticipated that we have at least one more day even with a bad lynch and a worst-case evening. Only way that does not add up is if there are still four Umbrella remaining. Also, the Zombies can feel free to attack an Umbrella one of these evenings - seriously, every single kill has been STARS and it has been pretty annoying.

10-30-2006, 03:33 PM	#2015
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	hoops, if you've looked at the numbers, then you might be seeing the same thing I am.

10-30-2006, 03:33 PM	#2016
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	If we are truly worried about the four Umbrella strategy then we could move our votes over to SnDvls. But the risk there is if there are still two zombies left then they have a chance for multiple kills this evening.

10-30-2006, 03:43 PM	#2018
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	I want to make this public record before I possibly get lynched tonight. Right now, I think there are 4 STARS left: spleen, hoops, LSG and Mr. W. I think there are 3 Umbrella left: Fouts, SnDvls, BrianD 2 zombies left: Chief Rum and Dodgerchick

10-30-2006, 03:48 PM	#2020
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	hoops, do you think there could possibly be 5 STARS left?

10-30-2006, 03:55 PM	#2023
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'm not sure I agree with the makeup of the teams, but I do agree that a bad lynch could leave the Zombies controlling our fate with their night kill.

10-30-2006, 03:58 PM	#2024
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Fouts, it worked And now I can protect you tonight. Of course, the Zombies also know that I'm dead meat tonight if they decide to come after me. Which is part of why I was curious about the order of night actions tonight. Spleen, I think it is entirely possible that we have five STARS left. But I don't know that I would bet on it.

10-30-2006, 04:01 PM	#2025
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	DC, if you had moved then you would be more trusted in my eyes today. If Glen had shown up as STARS and you had stayed then you would have been more trusted in my eyes today. Basically, I didn't have a high level of trust for either you or BrianD last night. I now have a higher level of trust that Brian is not a Zombie, while being more suspicious that you are Zombie. Last night I took a high risk play hoping to get information, one way or the other. I'm glad it got us a Zombie, but I would have had more information for today no matter which way it turned out.

10-30-2006, 04:15 PM	#2028
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	If we are worried about the Umbrella, we can take out SnDvls. I'd love to see how the votes stack up in that one.

10-30-2006, 04:17 PM	#2029
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	What do you think about stacking up against SnDvls? I am almost sure there is one zombie left.

10-30-2006, 04:18 PM	#2030
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	Oh, and before I forget. Nice shot Mr. W! My analysis on Path was right on. His first vote on Lathum should have gotten him killed by the zombies.

10-30-2006, 04:22 PM	#2031
BrianD Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Guys, I have to take off to class. I'm going to cast my vote now on who I think the last zombie is. Hopefully I'll be back later tonight before the lynch to see what happened in the last few hours. Vote Spleen

10-30-2006, 04:22 PM	#2032
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Fouts, who did you scope out last night?

10-30-2006, 04:28 PM	#2034
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	Here is my known list (and I will assume none of my cleared have been converted): STARS - LSG, Hoops, Mr.W., Fouts Umbrella - SnDvls Left: DC, Chief Rum, Spleen, BrianD (in order of suspected zombie)

10-30-2006, 04:28 PM	#2035
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Cool, just wanted to make sure that I was recalling correctly - thought you had said MrW before the morning results went up but didn't remember anything after that.

10-30-2006, 04:31 PM	#2036
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	Kinda disappointed it's so slow in here today

10-30-2006, 04:31 PM	#2037
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	My best guess is that it is 5-3-1 (STARS, Umbrella, Zombie). I am concerned about a STARS lynch, followed by a STARS death. It would then be 3-3-1 and we'd be in trouble. Now might be a good time to take out a known Umbrella to avoid a STARS lynch.

10-30-2006, 04:34 PM	#2039
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Since Umbrella only wins if we are all taken out I think it makes sense to continue pursuing zombies today. Even if we were in a 4-4-1 scenario, Umbrella does not have a night action. If we are in a 4-3-2 scenario, a bad lynch and the Zombies killing two STARS puts us really under the gun but it is damaging to the Zombies as well because the Umbrella people know each other and would be able to control the votes. So I don't think it makes any sense to go after SnDvls this afternoon - let the Zombies take him out at night if they are trying to win the game. I could be talked into moving my vote to Dodgerchick if someone has a strong vibe for her instead of Spleen. I suppose I could move to Chief Rum as well, although it would take a more persuasive argument.

10-30-2006, 04:36 PM	#2040
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	NM, just realized something dumb in the above post. 4-4-1 and a bad lynch = Umbrella controlling the vote tomorrow if the Zombies don't get Umbrella with their night action.

10-30-2006, 04:38 PM	#2041
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Fouts, any strong reason to believe there are five STARS instead of four?

10-30-2006, 04:38 PM	#2042
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	I'm not sure about spleen. He's been acting weird today, but that might be normal for him. I have absolutely no information on Anxiety/DC. You can't get much more UtR than Anxiety/DC.

10-30-2006, 04:45 PM	#2045
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	OK, I think this may extend the game an extra day in the long run, but it seems like the safe play is to evict an Umbrella today. If someone has a clear path to a Zombie I would love to hear it between now and the deadline. UNVOTE SPLEEN VOTE SNDVLS

10-30-2006, 04:45 PM	#2046
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	I hope there are 5 STARS left, because if there are 4 Umbrella + 1 Zombie, I might get lynched.

10-30-2006, 04:46 PM	#2047
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	I think we need to knock off an Umbrella member, plus I want to see how people vote in this one. It will tell us alot about factions. vote SnDvls