Survivor:Challenge/Common Thread (GAME OVER! FEED BACK WELCOME) - Page 43

Passacaglia · 02-14-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

I feel a whole lot better about confirming this now...but sure makes me look BAD again. I told my new tribe it was a gut feeling.

Thanks, ITC.

It doesn't look like you're bad, but it does look like you guys took advantage of GE's mistake. He thought he could edit the post, and told all of you he was the seer, then managed to get his post deleted. It sounds like you guys were privvy to information that you should not have been by the rules of the game, and still tried to hold it over everyone. I wouldn't call that cheating really, just taking advantage of a bending of the rules.

SnDvls · 02-14-2007, 10:52 AM

All espicially Helsing

I can not participate in today's challenge I have insider info on the answers and thus do not believe it is fair to take part in the challenge. I have already told BK this info and he should be responding to this post soon as we've talked about it via PM.

Thanks

Passacaglia · 02-14-2007, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

All espicially Helsing

I can not participate in today's challenge I have insider info on the answers and thus do not believe it is fair to take part in the challenge. I have already told BK this info and he should be responding to this post soon as we've talked about it via PM.

Thanks

You speak English, too? I didn't realize that was a disqualifier....

Poli · 02-14-2007, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

It doesn't look like you're bad, but it does look like you guys took advantage of GE's mistake. He thought he could edit the post, and told all of you he was the seer, then managed to get his post deleted. It sounds like you guys were privvy to information that you should not have been by the rules of the game, and still tried to hold it over everyone. I wouldn't call that cheating really, just taking advantage of a bending of the rules.

With great power comes great responsibility. I sure didn't ask for what happened to ensue.

Lathum · 02-14-2007, 10:56 AM

The whole thing seems very strange to me

Passacaglia · 02-14-2007, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

With great power comes great responsibility. I sure didn't ask for what happened to ensue.

I'm sure you didn't. See my post in the other thread for more thoughts on it. Basically, I think it's wrong to blame ITC about it, when you guys have been talking both ways through this thing for days -- if you had just said "we don't know who the seer is, and we don't know who the wolf is" from the beginning, y'all would have been fine.

ImTheCrew · 02-14-2007, 11:02 AM

let me be the first ozite to say it, i think there may be another wolf in oz NOW that would be the only way to kill the seer, the only other two things i can think of are maybe just sheer luck, or at worst cheating :-(

Barkeep49 · 02-14-2007, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

All espicially Helsing

I can not participate in today's challenge I have insider info on the answers and thus do not believe it is fair to take part in the challenge. I have already told BK this info and he should be responding to this post soon as we've talked about it via PM.

Thanks

This is true. I appreciate SnDvls' honesty in the matter.

Lathum · 02-14-2007, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ImTheCrew

let me be the first ozite to say it, i think there may be another wolf in oz NOW that would be the only way to kill the seer, the only other two things i can think of are maybe just sheer luck, or at worst cheating :-(

and how long has this other wolf been around for?

SnDvls · 02-14-2007, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ImTheCrew

let me be the first ozite to say it, i think there may be another wolf in oz NOW that would be the only way to kill the seer, the only other two things i can think of are maybe just sheer luck, or at worst cheating :-(

I think the cheating issue has been addressed by BK and thus should be dropped.
now on to the additional wolf.
remember my question was how many wolves were there? and the response was there are 3 wolves now
I was concerned before about the word now in the Helsing thread
and now I'm more concerned.
being that somepeople have the theory that the wolves couldn't kill until the merge (seems to have held true at this point) maybe they could do a conversion at the same time so the conversion happened at the 1st merged teams night.

Lathum · 02-14-2007, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

and now I'm more concerned.
being that somepeople have the theory that the wolves couldn't kill until the merge (seems to have held true at this point) maybe they could do a conversion at the same time so the conversion happened at the 1st merged teams night.

I agree completley.

ImTheCrew · 02-14-2007, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

and how long has this other wolf been around for?

my thought, the pm that people say was to help with the merge may not have been for that, maybe BK decied to make the ozite or first person to pm a wolf??

ImTheCrew · 02-14-2007, 11:36 AM

and i only know ONE person who saw GE's post and PM'ed Barkeep

KWhit · 02-14-2007, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I am not sore loser or anything, but I know for a fact there was some serious cheating going on in this game. I really do not understand why people can not play fairly.

Uh... Aren't you the one who broke the rules by editing a post?

Barkeep49 · 02-14-2007, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Uh... Aren't you the one who broke the rules by editing a post?

Based on an honest misunderstanding.

Poli · 02-14-2007, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ImTheCrew

and i only know ONE person who saw GE's post and PM'ed Barkeep

I know I did.

SnDvls · 02-14-2007, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

I think the cheating issue has been addressed by BK and thus should be dropped.

let's move on with the game please

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-14-2007, 12:20 PM

Any other former Oz members want to fess up and admit to knowing that GE was the seer?

GoldenEagle · 02-14-2007, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Uh... Aren't you the one who broke the rules by editing a post?

Barkeep has already explained what happened.

Mr. Wednesday · 02-14-2007, 01:15 PM

If the GE kill is from the wolves learning the seer, the possibilities that I can see include a) the ability of the wolves to try to scan for the seer, b) luck, c) conversion of one of the Ozzites who have admitted to knowing that GE was the seer, d) conversion of one of the Ozzites who knew that GE was the seer but pretended not to.

Mr. Wednesday · 02-14-2007, 01:16 PM

Dola, oops, b) doesn't qualify as "from the wolves learning the seer".

Poli · 02-14-2007, 02:08 PM

*at work*I knew GE was the seer, and I knew about the deleted posts. In fact, one of mine were deleted. When I noticed it, I PMed barkeep as to why.

path12 · 02-14-2007, 02:10 PM

Barkeep, do the words have to be formed in the order they appear, or can they be rearranged within the row/column?

Lathum · 02-14-2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

So was anything discussed in the OZ thread about the seers ability? For example, can the seer only scan his tribe members, etc...

Anything that can help us narrow down who may have been scanned.

I repeat

Alan T · 02-14-2007, 02:14 PM

Do you have to make a word in every column and row, or can you choose not to make any words in some rows/columns?

Poli · 02-14-2007, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I repeat

He said nothing along those lines.

Barkeep49 · 02-14-2007, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Barkeep, do the words have to be formed in the order they appear, or can they be rearranged within the row/column?

Rearranging within a column or row is fine. Only thing is the letter on the outside must be the first letter used.

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Do you have to make a word in every column and row, or can you choose not to make any words in some rows/columns?

The goal is to use the most letters. I count 120. However you wish to do this is fine by me so if some column is blank, that's a strategic decision.

path12 · 02-14-2007, 03:45 PM

One more question for BK: Do we post our lists in thread or PM them to you? And do you need the actual letter numbers in a particular word or just the word itself?

SnDvls · 02-14-2007, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ImTheCrew

and i only know ONE person who saw GE's post and PM'ed Barkeep

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Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

I know I did.

was the post discussed? like did anyone say they saw it and this is what it said or did they just say "I saw it" and leave it at that?

Passacaglia · 02-14-2007, 04:00 PM

Who do y'all expect we'll be voting off tonight, anyway?

Alan T · 02-14-2007, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Who do y'all expect we'll be voting off tonight, anyway?

I was kind of curious about that myself. Is it a public vote in your thread or a private PM vote? Any desire to share any happenings along that front with us?

Passacaglia · 02-14-2007, 04:13 PM

We're supposed to PM it with our words, I believe. My thinking was that if we happen to win (how stupid are you guys?), then we would pick Swaggs and path -- makes the most sense. What about you?

Passacaglia · 02-14-2007, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Who do y'all expect we'll be voting off tonight, anyway?

Whoops, this post came out wrong. Who do you think Howard will be voting off TOMORROW night? I mean, you guys have to choose two people for us to vote from, right?

Passacaglia · 02-14-2007, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I was kind of curious about that myself. Is it a public vote in your thread or a private PM vote? Any desire to share any happenings along that front with us?

So to answer this properly -- we send in our votes via PM. The results will be interesting.

Grammaticus · 02-14-2007, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

GE and I had a misunderstanding. Based on that misunderstanding he came out as seer. It had been GE's intention to inform his tribe that he was the seer and then edit the post so that if anyone read it later they wouldn't know. Editing posts is still a no-no. In the end, in order to fix the misunderstanding a whole bunch of posts were deleted, to erase the evidence. That's the story

The only way to fix this is to go ahead and out the wolf GE found. Posting his list is the way to go.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-14-2007, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Grammaticus

The only way to fix this is to go ahead and out the wolf GE found. Posting his list is the way to go.

What are you talking about?

Alan T · 02-14-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

We're supposed to PM it with our words, I believe. My thinking was that if we happen to win (how stupid are you guys?), then we would pick Swaggs and path -- makes the most sense. What about you?

We've been debating it somewhat.. Right now there are a few people who share an anti-Oz sentiment due to the way they have played the game. I personally (and I'm not alone) feel that it shoots us in the foot to start trying to vote off Oz players just out of spite or revenge.

I can't say what the team will do yet as I don't think there has been a consensus yet built, but I think personally I hope we go with choosing kwhit and Anxiety as the names we send.

I don't get why people over there are voting ITC though. It feels to me like a new player stumbling over words and becoming the fall guy for more veteran crafty wolves. I would love a show of hands of who here would choose ITC as the person to convert if they were a wolf. Nothing personal with ITC, I just don't really know him as I havent seen much of him this game with most of his posts coming in threads I can't read...

I just think there is some pupeteer here pulling some strings over there.. thats the only explanation I have if ITC ends up being voted out.

Grammaticus · 02-14-2007, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

What are you talking about?

Somebody cheated and used the knowledge that GE was the seer ans killed him. Obviously the wolf. BTW, This means that a wolf is likely in the Oz faction now or somebody cheated and looked in the thread.

Anyway as offsetting, we should get a wolf in return. Best way to do this is publish GEs scans.

Passacaglia · 02-14-2007, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

We've been debating it somewhat.. Right now there are a few people who share an anti-Oz sentiment due to the way they have played the game. I personally (and I'm not alone) feel that it shoots us in the foot to start trying to vote off Oz players just out of spite or revenge.

I can't say what the team will do yet as I don't think there has been a consensus yet built, but I think personally I hope we go with choosing kwhit and Anxiety as the names we send.

I don't get why people over there are voting ITC though. It feels to me like a new player stumbling over words and becoming the fall guy for more veteran crafty wolves. I would love a show of hands of who here would choose ITC as the person to convert if they were a wolf. Nothing personal with ITC, I just don't really know him as I havent seen much of him this game with most of his posts coming in threads I can't read...

I just think there is some pupeteer here pulling some strings over there.. thats the only explanation I have if ITC ends up being voted out.

I agree with that sentiment. I think that the fact that he's a newbie makes him an easy scapegoat at this point, when the few remaining Old Howard/Old Lupus members need to make a thrust. I've been trying to help him defend himself, but either way, I think he'll end up being okay.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-14-2007, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I don't get why people over there are voting ITC though. It feels to me like a new player stumbling over words and becoming the fall guy for more veteran crafty wolves. I would love a show of hands of who here would choose ITC as the person to convert if they were a wolf. Nothing personal with ITC, I just don't really know him as I havent seen much of him this game with most of his posts coming in threads I can't read...

I just think there is some pupeteer here pulling some strings over there.. thats the only explanation I have if ITC ends up being voted out.

How do you know who we're voting for?

Grammaticus · 02-14-2007, 04:45 PM

Honestly, ITC is the one that outed the whole wolves using the GE knowledge. Chances are greater that he is trusted and not a wolf.

If you were converting a member of Oz on the first night you could convert, who would you choose? Chances are you have no knowledge at this point of GE being the seer or who he may have cleared, since at that point all Oz members were villagers.

Barkeep49 · 02-14-2007, 05:12 PM

Grammaticus: I find it highly unlikely that GE was killed because of cheating. Extremely unlikely actually. I'm not sure where you get this idea, beyond what GE said (and frankly that was uninformed) that there was any cheating going on.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-14-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

How do you know who we're voting for?

Anyone else in Helsing want to answer this question?

st.cronin · 02-14-2007, 05:14 PM

Did ITC out GE as the seer before he was killed?

And I think either myself or ardent would make the most sense as a conversion possibility. Probably myself, honestly.

st.cronin · 02-14-2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Anyone else in Helsing want to answer this question?

somebody made a slip up, forget who

Passacaglia · 02-14-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

somebody made a slip up, forget who

Dontcha think that's something worth remembering?

Barkeep49 · 02-14-2007, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

One more question for BK: Do we post our lists in thread or PM them to you? And do you need the actual letter numbers in a particular word or just the word itself?

I count two questions

PM or posting is fine for this one and just the words will suffice.

Grammaticus · 02-14-2007, 05:22 PM

Nobody posted in this thread that ITC was getting votes.

st.cronin · 02-14-2007, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Dontcha think that's something worth remembering?

not really

I don't really care what goes on in other threads. I figure if I know a little, I'll just get confused.

Passacaglia · 02-14-2007, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

not really

I don't really care what goes on in other threads. I figure if I know a little, I'll just get confused.

You don't care who knows what's going on in other threads? Really?

02-14-2007, 11:02 AM	#2107
ImTheCrew High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2007	let me be the first ozite to say it, i think there may be another wolf in oz NOW that would be the only way to kill the seer, the only other two things i can think of are maybe just sheer luck, or at worst cheating :-( Last edited by ImTheCrew : 02-14-2007 at 11:02 AM. Reason: COLOR

02-14-2007, 01:15 PM	#2120
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	If the GE kill is from the wolves learning the seer, the possibilities that I can see include a) the ability of the wolves to try to scan for the seer, b) luck, c) conversion of one of the Ozzites who have admitted to knowing that GE was the seer, d) conversion of one of the Ozzites who knew that GE was the seer but pretended not to. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

02-14-2007, 01:16 PM	#2121
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	Dola, oops, b) doesn't qualify as "from the wolves learning the seer". __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

02-14-2007, 02:08 PM	#2122
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	at workI knew GE was the seer, and I knew about the deleted posts. In fact, one of mine were deleted. When I noticed it, I PMed barkeep as to why. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

02-14-2007, 02:10 PM	#2123
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Barkeep, do the words have to be formed in the order they appear, or can they be rearranged within the row/column? __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-14-2007, 10:52 AM	#2102
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	All espicially Helsing I can not participate in today's challenge I have insider info on the answers and thus do not believe it is fair to take part in the challenge. I have already told BK this info and he should be responding to this post soon as we've talked about it via PM. Thanks

02-14-2007, 10:56 AM	#2105
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	The whole thing seems very strange to me

02-14-2007, 11:36 AM	#2113
ImTheCrew High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2007	and i only know ONE person who saw GE's post and PM'ed Barkeep

02-14-2007, 12:20 PM	#2118
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	Any other former Oz members want to fess up and admit to knowing that GE was the seer?

02-14-2007, 02:14 PM	#2125
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Do you have to make a word in every column and row, or can you choose not to make any words in some rows/columns?

02-14-2007, 03:45 PM	#2128
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	One more question for BK: Do we post our lists in thread or PM them to you? And do you need the actual letter numbers in a particular word or just the word itself? __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-14-2007, 04:00 PM	#2130
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Who do y'all expect we'll be voting off tonight, anyway?

02-14-2007, 04:13 PM	#2132
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	We're supposed to PM it with our words, I believe. My thinking was that if we happen to win (how stupid are you guys?), then we would pick Swaggs and path -- makes the most sense. What about you?

02-14-2007, 04:45 PM	#2141
Grammaticus Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tennessee	Honestly, ITC is the one that outed the whole wolves using the GE knowledge. Chances are greater that he is trusted and not a wolf. If you were converting a member of Oz on the first night you could convert, who would you choose? Chances are you have no knowledge at this point of GE being the seer or who he may have cleared, since at that point all Oz members were villagers.

02-14-2007, 05:12 PM	#2142
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Grammaticus: I find it highly unlikely that GE was killed because of cheating. Extremely unlikely actually. I'm not sure where you get this idea, beyond what GE said (and frankly that was uninformed) that there was any cheating going on.

02-14-2007, 05:14 PM	#2144
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Did ITC out GE as the seer before he was killed? And I think either myself or ardent would make the most sense as a conversion possibility. Probably myself, honestly. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-14-2007, 05:22 PM	#2148
Grammaticus Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tennessee	Nobody posted in this thread that ITC was getting votes.

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