Survivor:Challenge/Common Thread (GAME OVER! FEED BACK WELCOME) - Page 45

SnDvls · 02-14-2007, 09:58 PM

double dola -
mantra (across) and Paisan (down) say they are using the same # 37

solution says you use #7 in Paisan

SnDvls · 02-14-2007, 09:59 PM

optimal #68 is missing

SnDvls · 02-14-2007, 10:00 PM

cheeped # 97 is missing

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-14-2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

dola - you are however missing some #'s in two of the across words double check that.

the words are correct, but the number using it isn't there

You're right. I left off the M in 'optimal' and the D in 'cheeped'. That's what I get for hurrying through it.

Barkeep49 · 02-14-2007, 10:03 PM

SnDvls: I have optimal, mantra, and paisan, all working. Are you saying he gave the wrong letters when he spelled out the word in numbers or that those solutions don't work?

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-14-2007, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

double dola -
mantra (across) and Paisan (down) say they are using the same # 37

solution says you use #7 in Paisan

Yep. Messed this one up, too.

Barkeep49 · 02-14-2007, 10:03 PM

Cheeped as well. Ok it sounds like it's a transcribing error as opposed to an invalid entry.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-14-2007, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

SnDvls: I have optimal, mantra, and paisan, all working. Are you saying he gave the wrong letters when he spelled out the word in numbers or that those solutions don't work?

I used #37 in both mantra and paisan, when I should have used #7 for paisan.

SnDvls · 02-14-2007, 10:06 PM

The words are all valid the number usage is either missing which one is used or isn't listed. But all words are good and valid.

SnDvls · 02-14-2007, 10:07 PM

dola - I guess it depends on what you are judging the words or the #'s to get the words. or a combo of both

SnDvls · 02-14-2007, 10:08 PM

double dola -
challenge says words so it's all valid

Barkeep49 · 02-14-2007, 10:09 PM

Wow. What a day. We had a death. A disqualification. Lots of intense word usage. From Helsing we had the following solution:

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Across words:
ANOTHER
ELM
ITALIC
MAGNET
QUAG
SAGGED
OPINE
KING
GRIS
CITED

Down words:
BLAME
FINEST
JAR
NASTINESS
REVAMP
TRYST
PAILS
LAMBED
HUSHED
DATA

Gris was disallowed as it is a proper noun (evidentially the name of a Spanish painter).

From Howard we had:

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ABHOR - A (8/6/10/1)
EMPYEMA - E (15/13/16/18/20/11)
ISLET - I (24/22/30/21)
MANTRA - M (35/37/34/36/40)
QUEAN - Q (47/41/48/44)
SNUGGED - S (58/59/53/55/56/60)
OPTIMAL - O (66/64/69/70/67)
KNIGHTS - K (73/78/71/77/80/79)
GOURAMIS - G (90/82/83/85/81/89/88)
CHEEPED - C (99/95/96/91/92)

BALK - B (51/61/31)
FEASTING - F (62/72/2/12/42/52/32)
JACONET - J (43/23/3/63/33/93)
NASTIES - N (84/94/4/14/54/74)
RAPE - R (75/45/5)
TARTS - T (76/86/26/46)
PAISAN - P (27/87/17/57/37)
LAND - L (38/98/28)
HILTED - H (29/19/49/39/9)
DIG - D (100/50)

This solution left 3 unusued letters by my count giving them a landslide victory. Congratulations to Howard on their achievement.

As part of their reward they have nominated Alan and Cronin for tribal council, so one of those two people will be going home tomorrow. Sleep well and don't let the WWs bite.

SnDvls · 02-14-2007, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

As part of their reward they have nominated Alan and Cronin for tribal council, so one of those two people will be going home tomorrow. Sleep well and don't let the WWs bite.

Wow is right. an interesting choice of people

Passacaglia · 02-14-2007, 10:13 PM

So SnDvls -- what was your inside info? Can I ask about that?

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-14-2007, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Congratulations to Howard on their achievement.

All honor goes to AE. He said he'd win it for us, and he came through.

Barkeep49 · 02-14-2007, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

So SnDvls -- what was your inside info? Can I ask about that?

I "borrowed" this challenge from the Survivor game for which I got inspiration. SnDvls had seen the answers to that.

Barkeep49 · 02-14-2007, 10:17 PM

Let me hasten to add that Yekrats, from BGG, deserves 95% of the credit for the good things about this game. I would never have been able to put this game together the way he did. It's really an innovative concept and I've shamelessly used it because he did such an amazing job with it.

Passacaglia · 02-14-2007, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I don't think that's whats happening here but if it is somebody in your thread will figure it out.

All I'm saying is that if Alan knew that the vote was on ITC at that time, someone from our thread must have mentioned it in your thread. If that happened, that someone is either path (which is doubtful, since JE said he didn't tell him), or a wolf. If no one said anything about that, then Alan knew it because he is a wolf. This is dependent ono the wolves communicating with each other, but I figure they must be able to -- otherwise no one in your thread (besides the unlikely possibility of path) would know that.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-14-2007, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Let me hasten to add that Yekrats, from BGG, deserves 95% of the credit for the good things about this game. I would never have been able to put this game together the way he did. It's really an innovative concept and I've shamelessly used it because he did such an amazing job with it.

Who gets the blame for all the bad crap in this game?

Passacaglia · 02-14-2007, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

someone from our thread must have mentioned it in your thread.

Obviously I don't mean someone from our thread was posting in your thread -- I mean that someone with knowledge of our thread posted it in your thread.

Lathum · 02-14-2007, 10:33 PM

the choices for tribal council seem odd

st.cronin · 02-14-2007, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

the choices for tribal council seem odd

indefensibly odd ... it's like they wanted to make sure a wolf didn't get voted off

Mr. Wednesday · 02-14-2007, 11:19 PM

Alan I can understand why they did it, although I think it was due to a misunderstanding. cronin I don't get at all.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-14-2007, 11:27 PM

Simple. We think there's a converted wolf in the former Oz tribe, and cronin makes the perfect conversion target.

Lathum · 02-14-2007, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Simple. We think there's a converted wolf in the former Oz tribe, and cronin makes the perfect conversion target.

why alan and not path?

Mr. Wednesday · 02-14-2007, 11:33 PM

From my perspective, Howard has made a very good survivor play and a subpar werewolf play.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-14-2007, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

why alan and not path?

Because of the mention of the votes against ITC. I didn't mention that to path, so I don't know where Alan got that from.

st.cronin · 02-14-2007, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Because of the mention of the votes against ITC. I didn't mention that to path, so I don't know where Alan got that from.

It's not easy to keep track of all those lies, is it.

Mr. Wednesday · 02-14-2007, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Because of the mention of the votes against ITC. I didn't mention that to path, so I don't know where Alan got that from.

Since you're raising what you mentioned to path... what did you mention to path?

st.cronin · 02-14-2007, 11:45 PM

Both path and Alan confirmed in our thread that the ITC votes were mentioned in the old Howard thread. So, JE, you are a big fat liar.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-14-2007, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

It's not easy to keep track of all those lies, is it.

What are you talking about? I never mentioned to path that ITC was getting votes in our tribe.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-14-2007, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Both path and Alan confirmed in our thread that the ITC votes were mentioned in the old Howard thread. So, JE, you are a big fat liar.

How would Alan know what was going on in the old Howard thread?

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-14-2007, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Since you're raising what you mentioned to path... what did you mention to path?

He asked if I felt safe in regards to our tribal council vote, and I explained to him that I was under pressure earlier, but I felt reasonably safe as the day went on. I never felt completely safe because I had absolutely no idea who was voting for whom.

st.cronin · 02-14-2007, 11:51 PM

Ok, I was confused. You may be telling the truth - but if you are, then path is lying. What Alan posted here in this thread came directly from path in our thread. So one of you two is lying.

st.cronin · 02-14-2007, 11:54 PM

I even told you in this thread that Alan's post was totally innocent. So, I really don't get why you guys pushed him. I can kind of understand naming me, but Alan just makes no sense.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-14-2007, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Ok, I was confused. You may be telling the truth - but if you are, then path is lying. What Alan posted here in this thread came directly from path in our thread. So one of you two is lying.

So Alan's mention of ITC's votes comes from path?

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-14-2007, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I even told you in this thread that Alan's post was totally innocent. So, I really don't get why you guys pushed him. I can kind of understand naming me, but Alan just makes no sense.

If we don't trust you, why should we trust what you say?

st.cronin · 02-14-2007, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

So Alan's mention of ITC's votes comes from path?

yep

st.cronin · 02-14-2007, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

If we don't trust you, why should we trust what you say?

I don't care if you don't trust me. I agree that somebody from oz was most likely converted. But if you were the one who pushed for Alan, that was a very serious misunderstanding on your part. I TOLD YOU IT WAS NOT A BIG DEAL. Nobody from my tribe thought it was worth talking about. We're not all wolves, you know.

st.cronin · 02-15-2007, 12:03 AM

This is path's exact quote in our thread:

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In talking with JE it looks like ITC is coming under a lot of heat in their tribal thread. There seems to be a general consensus that there is a converted wolf in Oz.

My feeling on it is that may well be the case. However, we know there's one in Lupus. I'd probably lean toward the kwhit and anxiety, but I can certainly could see the appeal in tossing in at least one Oz person. The stonewalling and conflicting stories we've gotten from them makes me feel that something important is being hidden, though I have no idea what.

Lathum · 02-15-2007, 12:04 AM

I think it is obvious that if JE didn't push hard for Path then JE is a wolf. Can a member of Howard shed some light on JE's ans who he wanted to go after.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-15-2007, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I don't care if you don't trust me. I agree that somebody from oz was most likely converted. But if you were the one who pushed for Alan, that was a very serious misunderstanding on your part. I TOLD YOU IT WAS NOT A BIG DEAL. Nobody from my tribe thought it was worth talking about. We're not all wolves, you know.

But you were the only one to respond to the question of how Alan learned of ours votes against ITC. If no one else in Helsing thought Alan's actions were suspicious, why didn't they speak up to defend him? You were the only one to defend him, and since we doubted you, it was clear to us to link you and Alan together.

Remember, all we have to go off of is this common thread.

And I wasn't the one pushing for Alan. I just happened to agree with that sentiment.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-15-2007, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I think it is obvious that if JE didn't push hard for Path then JE is a wolf. Can a member of Howard shed some light on JE's ans who he wanted to go after.

Why would I push for path? Especially since I didn't think path was how Alan got the info regarding ITC. If I thought path had lied about what I had said, I would definitely have pushed for path.

st.cronin · 02-15-2007, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

But you were the only one to respond to the question of how Alan learned of ours votes against ITC. If no one else in Helsing thought Alan's actions were suspicious, why didn't they speak up to defend him? You were the only one to defend him, and since we doubted you, it was clear to us to link you and Alan together.

Remember, all we have to go off of is this common thread.

And I wasn't the one pushing for Alan. I just happened to agree with that sentiment.

Because path also told us he was going to tell you back off. Plus, I don't know, we had other stuff to worry about. To us it was no big deal - we had no idea your whole tribe thought he was suspicious.

st.cronin · 02-15-2007, 12:15 AM

dola

We can't really figure out why your tribe made this play, JE. It's really going to be up to your tribe to figure out what happened. I mean, for all I know, Alan actually is a wolf. I don't know that he's not, I'm just saying that either you or path has lied to our tribe.

Lathum · 02-15-2007, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Why would I push for path? Especially since I didn't think path was how Alan got the info regarding ITC. If I thought path had lied about what I had said, I would definitely have pushed for path.

because you are the only 2 howard members left. If you aren't a wolf then Path obviously is so why wouldn't you push for him?

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-15-2007, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

because you are the only 2 howard members left. If you aren't a wolf then Path obviously is so why wouldn't you push for him?

Don't forget the other two members of Howard that have been voted off since it was announced that the old Howard had a wolf.

And I wouldn't push for path just because he was a Howard member when at the same time I'm defending myself from my tribe for the very same reasons. If he did something to raise my suspicion, then yes, I would push him. Like now, for instance. If I had known that he was the person responsible for telling you all that ITC was getting votes, I would have pushed for path because I know what I did and did not tell him.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-15-2007, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

dola

We can't really figure out why your tribe made this play, JE. It's really going to be up to your tribe to figure out what happened. I mean, for all I know, Alan actually is a wolf. I don't know that he's not, I'm just saying that either you or path has lied to our tribe.

I know the answer to that (and so does path), but unfortunately, it doesn't do us any good right now. That's why I was pushing earlier for Alan to answer how he knew about what was going on in our tribe.

Alan T · 02-15-2007, 05:15 AM

So jonathan slides path inside info on what is going on in their tribe, path tells us.. I accidentally slip up and talk about it because I forgot who it came from. I tell path in the thread that I slipped up and didn't mean to tell everyone what Jonathan had been saying and for him to tell you it was an accident and not to push the issue unless you wanted me to tell everyone in your tribe that you were feeding us info.

So because I try to protect you in that, you vote me off. Nice.

Well you all didn't get a wolf in me, in fact this is one of the games I've not lied at all in, and I feel I've worked harder than perhaps anyone in. But I guess its what i get, this is survivor at all.

Well I will be back when the game is over (I know I'm not technically voted off till later tonight, but nothing left for me to contibute today.

Alan T · 02-15-2007, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I know the answer to that (and so does path), but unfortunately, it doesn't do us any good right now. That's why I was pushing earlier for Alan to answer how he knew about what was going on in our tribe.

Its pretty obvious from this move that one of you two is still the wolf.

02-14-2007, 11:19 PM	#2223
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02-14-2007, 11:33 PM	#2226
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	From my perspective, Howard has made a very good survivor play and a subpar werewolf play. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

02-14-2007, 11:45 PM	#2230
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Both path and Alan confirmed in our thread that the ITC votes were mentioned in the old Howard thread. So, JE, you are a big fat liar. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-14-2007, 11:51 PM	#2234
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Ok, I was confused. You may be telling the truth - but if you are, then path is lying. What Alan posted here in this thread came directly from path in our thread. So one of you two is lying. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-14-2007, 11:54 PM	#2235
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I even told you in this thread that Alan's post was totally innocent. So, I really don't get why you guys pushed him. I can kind of understand naming me, but Alan just makes no sense. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-14-2007, 09:58 PM	#2201
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	double dola - mantra (across) and Paisan (down) say they are using the same # 37 solution says you use #7 in Paisan

02-14-2007, 09:59 PM	#2202
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	optimal #68 is missing

02-14-2007, 10:00 PM	#2203
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	cheeped # 97 is missing

02-14-2007, 10:03 PM	#2205
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	SnDvls: I have optimal, mantra, and paisan, all working. Are you saying he gave the wrong letters when he spelled out the word in numbers or that those solutions don't work?

02-14-2007, 10:03 PM	#2207
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Cheeped as well. Ok it sounds like it's a transcribing error as opposed to an invalid entry.

02-14-2007, 10:06 PM	#2209
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	The words are all valid the number usage is either missing which one is used or isn't listed. But all words are good and valid.

02-14-2007, 10:07 PM	#2210
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	dola - I guess it depends on what you are judging the words or the #'s to get the words. or a combo of both

02-14-2007, 10:08 PM	#2211
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	double dola - challenge says words so it's all valid

02-14-2007, 10:13 PM	#2214
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	So SnDvls -- what was your inside info? Can I ask about that?

02-14-2007, 10:17 PM	#2217
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Let me hasten to add that Yekrats, from BGG, deserves 95% of the credit for the good things about this game. I would never have been able to put this game together the way he did. It's really an innovative concept and I've shamelessly used it because he did such an amazing job with it.

02-14-2007, 10:33 PM	#2221
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	the choices for tribal council seem odd

02-14-2007, 11:27 PM	#2224
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	Simple. We think there's a converted wolf in the former Oz tribe, and cronin makes the perfect conversion target.

02-15-2007, 12:04 AM	#2241
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I think it is obvious that if JE didn't push hard for Path then JE is a wolf. Can a member of Howard shed some light on JE's ans who he wanted to go after. Last edited by Lathum : 02-15-2007 at 12:04 AM.

02-15-2007, 12:15 AM	#2245
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	dola We can't really figure out why your tribe made this play, JE. It's really going to be up to your tribe to figure out what happened. I mean, for all I know, Alan actually is a wolf. I don't know that he's not, I'm just saying that either you or path has lied to our tribe. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-15-2007, 05:15 AM	#2249
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	So jonathan slides path inside info on what is going on in their tribe, path tells us.. I accidentally slip up and talk about it because I forgot who it came from. I tell path in the thread that I slipped up and didn't mean to tell everyone what Jonathan had been saying and for him to tell you it was an accident and not to push the issue unless you wanted me to tell everyone in your tribe that you were feeding us info. So because I try to protect you in that, you vote me off. Nice. Well you all didn't get a wolf in me, in fact this is one of the games I've not lied at all in, and I feel I've worked harder than perhaps anyone in. But I guess its what i get, this is survivor at all. Well I will be back when the game is over (I know I'm not technically voted off till later tonight, but nothing left for me to contibute today.

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