2020 Democratic Primaries/General Election Thread

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

So, somehow now the people that disagree with you think that looters should be stabbed. Same old, same old. The reason the Bernie bros turn off so many people. "If you don't agree with my every point, then you hate poor people." It is not a winning argument.

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Never said that. I said the response to looting some sneakers was bringing in the National Guard with teargas, bayonets, and all sorts of cool weaponry. The response to committing fraud that led to $30 trillion in lost wealth gets a shrug of the shoulders from you.

Why does stealing stuff from a store get such a stronger response from law enforcement and our justice system than wage theft, fraud, and other white collar crimes? Because the latter does far more damage to this country and has destroyed far more lives.

This has nothing to do with Bernie. I'm sorry Kamala Harris spent her time prosecuting homeless people for truancy violations instead of criminals who defrauded innocent people out of their homes. We know where her priorities are.

[GrantDawg]

Yes, Kamala loves punishing the poor. She sits in her room in her coat made of 101 Dalmatians, thinking of more ways to hate poor people.

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[RainMaker]

No, she just believes certain folks are above the law.

[sterlingice]

I think successful DAs also have some level of pragmatism and know that some people/crimes are really hard to prosecute, especially with near unlimited lawyer money. Not saying this is that situation but it's possible.

SI

[GrantDawg]

No no. She choose not to do her job for the campaign donation equivalent of a 30 second ad, mid-morning in Sacramento. That makes way more sense.

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[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

No no. She choose not to do her job for the campaign donation equivalent of a 30 second ad, mid-morning in Sacramento. That makes way more sense.

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Why do you think Mnuchin donated? He is a staunch Republican who didn't donate to any other Democrats un that state (or anywhere from what I see). Why do you think she went against the wishes of her staff recommendations?

[GrantDawg]

I have already said. He definitely wanted access. Doesn't mean it was a bribe. And she dropped for the reasons she gave. It takes two seconds on Google to find it.
Now let me ask you this, why do you think this former member of her staff told this story? Maybe for the book he was writing, and this was the only story that could help him sell it? Who here actually had a larger financial benefit? Kamala with a donation that was a fraction of what she had to raise, or the guy actually getting directly paid to tell this story?

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[RainMaker]

I should also add that Soros owned a huge chunk of that bank too and not only donated heavily to Harris and California Democrats, but set up a PAC for district attorneys across the US. Harris had two of her top aides who also worked for Soros foundations.

Probably just a big coincidence too.

Just saying it is weird that they caught a bank committing massive amounts of fraud and had other district attorneys say they wanted to file a civil enfocement and she blocked it. And that the bank involved happens to have multiple people who donated heavily to her.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I have already said. He definitely wanted access.

But it's only enough money for a tiny TV ad. Wouldn't a smart man like Mnuchin understand this? Why didn't he donate to other Democrats for "access"? California is filled with them. Only one held the fate of his bank in her hands though.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

But it's only enough money for a tiny TV ad. Wouldn't a smart man like Mnuchin understand this? Why didn't he donate to other Democrats for "access"? California is filled with them. Only one held the fate of his bank in her hands though.

He liked her suits.

[GrantDawg]

Actually, he was told he could buy a "get of jail free card" for two radio ads in Kokomo.

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[GrantDawg]

He could have gotten away with murder for a gift card to Shake Shack.

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[sterlingice]

Wouldn't it have been In N Out in Cali?

SI

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Wouldn't it have been In N Out in Cali?

SI

In and Out gets you two homicides and a Grand Theft Auto.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

In and Out gets you two homicides and a Grand Theft Auto.

Involuntary manslaughter at best.

Their fries suck.

[Edward64]

So does anyone know what Biden has promised in his first 100 days (or honeymoon) period? What are his absolute top priorities in the first 2 years?

I did a search, found a hit but it was behind a paywall. Lots of articles on his policies but none that I've found that says this is what he will do immediately.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Edward64

So does anyone know what Biden has promised in his first 100 days (or honeymoon) period? What are his absolute top priorities in the first 2 years?

I did a search, found a hit but it was behind a paywall. Lots of articles on his policies but none that I've found that says this is what he will do immediately.

I'm guessing you might hear more after the official nomination.

[NobodyHere]

Anyone planning on watching the convention? I think ABC is covering it and I assume there will be streams.

I'll probably have it on in the background.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Anyone planning on watching the convention? I think ABC is covering it and I assume there will be streams.

I'll probably have it on in the background.

4 nights is too long for me. Into Expanse s2.

Mon - maybe with Bernie. Haven't heard much from him lately

Tue - maybe with Bill

Wed - Kamala & Obama.

Thu - Dixie Chicks (or Chicks now) and Biden


BTW - I really hope Biden gives a great speech. If there are any signs of senility/dementia, it will NOT be good (it doesn't matter if it's a double standard with Trump). I'm for limiting the number of Presidential debates. There's no downside for Trump but there is downside for Biden.

[Jas_lov]

I'm going to watch the big speeches- Obamas, Clintons, Harris, Biden. The rest I'll probably just tune in and out of. Not sure what it's going to look like in a virtual format.

[ISiddiqui]

It's 2 hours a day, IIRC, which isn't much. So I'll watch the whole thing (I generally do, but I couldn't take the Trump Republican convention in 2016 and had to turn it off)

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[stevew]

NBA is on with 4 games a day all week. Not interested in people who will talk about stuff they’re never going to fight for.

[thesloppy]

You could not pay me enough to watch that crap. 4 nights??

[RainMaker]

lol Meg Whitman is speaking at this along with Kasich

[molson]

Speech after speech is such a drag. I'd tune in if they did a talent show, or maybe musical chairs with the Dem all-stars.

[PilotMan]

Why watch? It's not like anything happening isn't going to be reported later, or even matter to my day to day life. I'd rather watch baseball.

[RainMaker]

If Meg Whitman explains Quibi I will watch

[JPhillips]

Biden's genuine relationship with Bernie has made a huge difference compared to Clinton in 2016.

[ISiddiqui]

Bernie and Michelle Obama's speeches were fantastic. Great show for Day 1. And side benefit of a virtual convention - everyone sticks to time limits (and no wasted walking to podium time)

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[Lathum]

I would have given anything to be a fly on the wall where ever Trump watched Michelle Obama’s speech from.

[molson]

This is some hilarious counter-programming:

St. Louis couple who pointed guns at protesters to speak at Republican convention

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by molson

This is some hilarious counter-programming:

St. Louis couple who pointed guns at protesters to speak at Republican convention

Jeez. Seemingly anybody who defended that pair still went out of their way to point out they were defending their rights and not those particular people, because they have such a horrendous record of being remarkable assholes. They'll likely serve as a 5-second, untelevised segue to somebody/something else, rather than any kind of keynote speaker, but still.

[Vegas Vic]

OK, it's time to retire the phrase "This is the most important election of our lifetime." This worn out cliche is trotted out ad nauseam every election cycle. I've heard this so much over the years that I'm starting to think I'm immortal.

[RainMaker]

Can we please just be done with the Clintons?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Can we please just be done with the Clintons?

[JPhillips]

I don't think it means anything electorally, but it's nuts that the DNC is going to have more connections to past GOP presidential candidates than will the GOP convention. It's like the GOP didn't exist before Trump.

[RainMaker]

Interesting strategy to have half your speakers be Republicans. But surely this is not a party that will comically lose to a reality star again.

[RainMaker]

Smart to have Colin Powell speak and remind us all that Biden voted for the Iraq War.

[Galaril]

Wait so AOC just endorsed and seconded Sanders at the DNC? WTF?

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Wait so AOC just endorsed and seconded Sanders at the DNC? WTF?

I'm sure that was all planned and approved. Those things happen at every convention when a large block supported a losing candidate.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

I'm sure that was all planned and approved. Those things happen at every convention when a large block supported a losing candidate.

Ah ok would hope so. I agree we really need to get at least the Democrat broken up into two parties. Frankly I could maybe see the Biden dems and independents forming a centrist sort of party and then a more left leaning progressive party and a far right party.....oh and wherever “Libertarians” go;-)

[JPhillips]

Trump has plenty of good media folks available, but if they haven't been planning things for weeks their virtual convention portions will look sloppy. I'm really impressed with the planning and work done with the DNC. It isn't easy to make hours of videos from tons of different locations work together this well. With the digital format and lack of a crowd, all of the production elements are magnified.

[ISiddiqui]

That roll call was amazing.. Let's do that from now on (and I'm one who really likes the roll call in general). Jill Biden gave a really good speech as well. Bill Clinton looked much better than he did at John Lewis's funeral as well.

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[Lathum]

Switched on FOX News to see what they were saying, sheesh....

They had a graphic that said " Dems trot out failed political candidates to support Biden" as they play video from 2 term president Bill Clinton.

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Wait so AOC just endorsed and seconded Sanders at the DNC? WTF?

If you get x number of delegates, you have to be formally nominated.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by bronconick

If you get x number of delegates, you have to be formally nominated.

Thanks I get that but in essence and substance this was all procedural. Frankly it comes off divisive and petty of her to second Sanders at this point. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez nominates Bernie Sanders at DNC

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Trump has plenty of good media folks available, but if they haven't been planning things for weeks their virtual convention portions will look sloppy. I'm really impressed with the planning and work done with the DNC. It isn't easy to make hours of videos from tons of different locations work together this well. With the digital format and lack of a crowd, all of the production elements are magnified.

Wasn't he planning on Jacksonville until like 2-3 weeks ago? And it'll probably have sloppy parts because Trump plans on being front stage every day.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Switched on FOX News to see what they were saying, sheesh....

They had a graphic that said " Dems trot out failed political candidates to support Biden" as they play video from 2 term president Bill Clinton.

Greatest economy in both of our lifetimes, no pandemic, impeached for a blowj- I mean... lying under oath instead of something trivial like conspiring with a foreign power to influence our elections. Sounds like a failure when you put it next to Trump's accomplishments.

But you'd think even Trump and the Fox News crowd would appreciate a crime bill that incarcerates a lot of people unnecessarily, destroying bank regulations, and failed health care reform.

SI

[whomario]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Thanks I get that but in essence and substance this was all procedural. Frankly it comes off divisive and petty of her to second Sanders at this point. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez nominates Bernie Sanders at DNC

IIRC she was asked to do so (as was Bob King) likely precicely because she was the obvious one to make that 'nod' and bridging both candidates in a way. It shows the progressive faction that Biden feels comfortable enough with their ongoing presence to have that connection between Sanders and the next generation made on this stage and by an actual progressive, not some token delegate.

[Edward64]

I watched Michelle's speech after hearing that she did a great job.

It was overall pretty darn good. I didn't like how she went into popular vote & current social issues (e.g. not the specific issues themselves but seemingly blaming everything on Trump) but everything else was great. It would be great if Biden gave her some sort of significant role ... ambassador to Russia or his intermediary to BLM.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...full-speeches/