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Old 01-13-2019, 08:22 PM   #1
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Kyler Murray

I figured the biggest two sport star and first guy to potential go 1st round in both drafts deserved his own thread.



Some of Twitter is in a tizzy over this, but they forget how many dudes used to get deals like this before MLB imposed draft cap rules on guys signing MLB deals out of the draft.

Boras is going to maximize the best value for his guy, and surely they know the risks of him going to the NFL, so perhaps the plan all along once they realized he was Heisman material was to drive up the baseball price to make it worth his while.

If so, genius level move.

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Old 01-13-2019, 08:33 PM   #2
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MLB Draft's Two-Sport Stars Carry Big Risks, Big Rewards

Dudes who got paid to choose baseball over football:

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Righthander Zach Lee was considered one of the top high school pitchers in the 2010 draft, and he went 28th overall to the Dodgers. But because of Lee's leverage as a premium quarterback recruit for Louisiana State—where he would have played both sports—he signed for $5.25 million, the third-highest bonus in the 2010 draft class.

Outfielder Joe Borchard set a draft record (since broken) when the White Sox paid him a $5.3 million signing bonus in August 2000 to give up football. The Cubs gave righthander Jeff Samardzija, a fifth-round pick in 2006, a $10 million major league contract to persuade him to give up his chance to be an NFL wide receiver.

Back in 1998, Drew Henson signed for $2 million as the Yankees' third-round pick, even though his contract allowed him to also play football at Michigan. In 2001, the Yankees gave Henson a $17 million major league contract to get him to focus on baseball.

Joe Mauer got $5 million to not play college football at all, Grady Sizemore got $2 million. None of these dudes won a Heisman.
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Old 01-13-2019, 08:47 PM   #3
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Seems smart. He likely knows around where he'd end up in the NFL draft and how much guaranteed money comes with that. So if baseball can offer more, he'd take it.

I do feel like baseball might be a better option. At his height, I still think being a QB in the NFL will be tough. He can also always get a crack at the NFL if his baseball career sputters out (like Chad Hutchinson and others).
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Old 01-13-2019, 08:49 PM   #4
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Would also add that the Cubs did this with Samardzija who had the option to play in the NFL. I think the deal was like $13 million or so with a $7 million signing bonus.
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Old 01-13-2019, 08:59 PM   #5
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Would also add that the Cubs did this with Samardzija who had the option to play in the NFL. I think the deal was like $13 million or so with a $7 million signing bonus.

5 years/$10 million was his Cubs deal.
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Old 01-13-2019, 09:01 PM   #6
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With his size I would say go with MLB. Don't get the crap beat out of you every game.
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Old 01-13-2019, 09:07 PM   #7
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If all he was getting was the original signing bonus, the break even on guaranteed seems to be somewhere around the top 10 in the second round. Obviously this news completely changes that.

I just have a hard time figuring him as a legitimate starting QB in the NFL, at least in terms of longevity. He's going to have to find a team really willing to design an offense around his strengths while also limiting the number of hits he takes.

I'd take the baseball money and the notion that if I can hit above the Mendoza line I can probably get 3 good sized contracts just on my defense and speed, but what do I know.
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Old 01-13-2019, 10:00 PM   #8
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Also depends on the spotlight he wants. Every 1st round QB last draft ended up starting. In baseball he's going to be in the bus leagues for 2-3 years minimum.
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Old 01-14-2019, 12:30 AM   #9
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Murray got 1.5m of his A's bonus so far and has to give it up if he plays in the NFL per The Athletic
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Old 01-14-2019, 09:58 AM   #10
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The baseball folks think he's going to the NFL, simply because more of the money is up front and guaranteed.

Also heard the comment that Boras has never worked this closely with a front office before.
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Old 01-14-2019, 11:43 AM   #11
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Also depends on the spotlight he wants. Every 1st round QB last draft ended up starting. In baseball he's going to be in the bus leagues for 2-3 years minimum.

This. He hits the ground running in the NFL. If he goes with baseball he's going to be the in the minors for a couple of years. Which would you rather do?
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Old 01-14-2019, 11:44 AM   #12
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He's playing it really smart. Keep your cards close to the vest, play both sides off each other, and see what you can get.
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Old 01-14-2019, 03:35 PM   #13
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Well and Murray just declared for the NFL Draft. Sorry A's.
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Old 01-14-2019, 03:50 PM   #14
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So far as I can tell, this absolutely doesn't change his status with the A's. Not until he actually signs with an NFL team.
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Old 01-14-2019, 04:00 PM   #15
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This. He hits the ground running in the NFL. If he goes with baseball he's going to be the in the minors for a couple of years. Which would you rather do?
What he should do is go with whichever sport is his greater passion. It's a grind either way, and while riding buses and staying in cheap motels in the minors isn't very glamorous, if baseball is his true passion then he can get through the tough times better.

Now, from a health and financial standpoint it's easy for me to stand back and say he ought to stick with baseball. And if he's really 50/50 between the two sports, then I think those factors ought to tip him that way. But if football is his true passion, then so be it - he should pursue that and see what happens.
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Old 01-14-2019, 04:19 PM   #16
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He actually submitted his name on Friday, so the A's already knew. And he has 72 hours to withdraw. I wish he'd declare for the draft, go play baseball, and just let a team draft him where he goes. But I guess if they think Arizona is gonna take him 1.1, then that might be too tempting not to do it, no matter what the A's offer.

We're all talking like it's a certainty that it'll all work out, but if he has a not great combine or pro day, his stock falls. I doubt he falls out of the 1st round no matter what, but...why hire Boras and sign with the A's if your end game is just to go to the NFL anyway.

I still think he ends up on the baseball diamond when this is all done, it's just football rules the roost and he might even want to play it more, but...the unknowns are super obvious and there are just so many ways this could go wrong before he even has a full season under his belt.

Baseball is the safer route, and while he'll sacrifice the money in the short term, history indicates the NFL will still be interested in a few years if baseball somehow didn't pan out.

I mean, 1st round talent or not what do we think his ceiling is as an NFL quarterback?

I'm wondering if part of his desire is just to be the first guy to be drafted 1st round in both sports, because no one has ever done that.
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