Werewolf XXXVI: Resident Evil (S.T.A.R.S. Wins! Post #1424) - Page 15

Alan T · 10-26-2006, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Okay, so I think Alan's theorys are border line far out there, but I dont think that makes him a zombie... After reading this and realizing that AlanT has in fact answered every question we have thrown at him, I have concluded either he got a degree in BS or he is a STARS. With that being said, I dont like the votes for Cronin... That leaves Lathum. And between lathum and alant, alant has been far more helpful and amusing thus far.

[b]Unvote AlanT/B]

Vote Lathum

Well at least I have been amusing. That warrants keeping me around another day!

Glengoyne · 10-26-2006, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Part of the difference is that I don't know what side you're on.

/thinking out loud
That is odd. This post makes me think you distinctly DO know what team you are both on. /end thinking out loud

st.cronin · 10-26-2006, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Glengoyne

/thinking out loud
That is odd. This post makes me think you distinctly DO know what team you are both on. /end thinking out loud

lol

"I'm not a wolf."
"It's obvious this is a trick! He must be lynched!"

Fouts · 10-26-2006, 07:53 PM

Geez, nice long post to say you are throwing your vote out the window. Thanks Glen.

Alan T · 10-26-2006, 07:53 PM

(4) St.Cronin - Alan (445), Lathum (452), Anxiety (538), BrianD (553)
(4) Lathum - path (642), Hoops (643), Tyrith (665), Lonestargirl (698)
(3) Alan T - Spleen (564), St.cronin (586), Sndvls (658)
(2) BrianD - Fouts (631), Mr.Wednesday (641)
(1) Sndvls - Glengoyne (700)

Right now, still same thing as before. Ending in a tie is the worst scenerio. Lynching a STARS that isnt an important role is better than a tie since we will learn nothing.

hoopsguy · 10-26-2006, 07:53 PM

Alan, I'm pretty sure we are looking at Cronin differently when factoring in the Police Chief. Of course, if you adopt that outlook then it assumes that Cronin is in fact STARS.

We know that Bullet was STARS. The math on the 2nd person being STARS, after the first one was (Bullet) is probably above 50%.

Tyrith · 10-26-2006, 07:54 PM

Rum is viewing, I'll be interested to hear his take.

st.cronin · 10-26-2006, 07:55 PM

btw, even if I wasn't one of the 2 he voted for, I would be very uneasy using KWhits day 1 votes as pointing at zombies. If I were a zombie I would be delighted to have a chance to point suspicion at two non-zombies.

LoneStarGirl · 10-26-2006, 07:55 PM

I plan on being on for awhile, I would hate a lynch to happen... I might change my vote if it looks like a lynch is inevitable.

Alan T · 10-26-2006, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Alan, I'm pretty sure we are looking at Cronin differently when factoring in the Police Chief. Of course, if you adopt that outlook then it assumes that Cronin is in fact STARS.

We know that Bullet was STARS. The math on the 2nd person being STARS, after the first one was (Bullet) is probably above 50%.

So you are saying that Bullet + the first two people who voted him were all Stars? The odds of that happening doesn't seem as great, but when talking about influenced actions its a bit tougher to stick math on it than simply what the odds of having a role are.

Fouts · 10-26-2006, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Right now, still same thing as before. Ending in a tie is the worst scenerio. Lynching a STARS that isnt an important role is better than a tie since we will learn nothing.

So you are saying lynching you is better than a tie?

Alan T · 10-26-2006, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

I plan on being on for awhile, I would hate a lynch to happen... I might change my vote if it looks like a lynch is inevitable.

I might be reading this wrong... I hope I am.

Alan T · 10-26-2006, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

So you are saying lynching you is better than a tie?

Yes because lynching me then will put validity in my words and point you at Sndvls, Cronin, Fouts (yourself), Lathum or Mr.Wednesday in my opinion right now for tommorrow.

st.cronin · 10-26-2006, 07:56 PM

unvote AlanT
vote Lathum

Tyrith · 10-26-2006, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

So you are saying lynching you is better than a tie?

I think he's implied that throughout the day, at least we'd learn some things about cronin and such.

Alan T · 10-26-2006, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Yes because lynching me then will put validity in my words and point you at Sndvls, Cronin, Fouts (yourself), Lathum or Mr.Wednesday in my opinion right now for tommorrow.

expanding on that some, I dont have any important role, so if a STARS -HAS- to die, Im as good as any. I provide a paper trail and the team doesnt lose out on an important role.

Glengoyne · 10-26-2006, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Geez, nice long post to say you are throwing your vote out the window. Thanks Glen.

Bullshit.

Pile on, and I'll stand by it. It is something I can defend.

Fouts · 10-26-2006, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

btw, even if I wasn't one of the 2 he voted for, I would be very uneasy using KWhits day 1 votes as pointing at zombies. If I were a zombie I would be delighted to have a chance to point suspicion at two non-zombies.

I disagree. It is so important that the zombies find the PC that I don't think they would waste a night making somebody suspicious. It is a nice side effect, but should be trying hard to hit the PC.

So... why KWhit?

hoopsguy · 10-26-2006, 07:58 PM

I don't think that the first two people voting on Bullet have any bearing on the likelihood of Cronin being STARS/notSTARS.

But, to answer your question - if you are STARS then that is exactly what happened.

Fouts · 10-26-2006, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

I plan on being on for awhile, I would hate a lynch to happen... I might change my vote if it looks like a lynch is inevitable.

I'm pretty sure you meant tie vice lynch.

Fouts · 10-26-2006, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Glengoyne

Bullshit.

Pile on, and I'll stand by it. It is something I can defend.

I agree that SnDvls is acting suspicious, but what chance is that 4 other people will jump on that vote this late in the day?

Tyrith · 10-26-2006, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

I disagree. It is so important that the zombies find the PC that I don't think they would waste a night making somebody suspicious. It is a nice side effect, but should be trying hard to hit the PC.

So... why KWhit?

Because he could have been the PC, wasn't a part of the Alan/cronin/hoops/lathum D1 mess, is a generally good player. And possible they get to cause suspicion even if he isn't PC. Hunting the PC and causing suspicion are not mutually exclusive goals.

Alan T · 10-26-2006, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I don't think that the first two people voting on Bullet have any bearing on the likelihood of Cronin being STARS/notSTARS.

But, to answer your question - if you are STARS then that is exactly what happened.

I think Im having too many conversations at once. Sorry I think I confused what you are arguing. I right now think Cronin is not stars based on first mathematical odd, backed up by supported behavior that I found suspicious (as I mentioned throughout the day). Not as much due to his vote on bullet

Tyrith · 10-26-2006, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Glengoyne

Bullshit.

Pile on, and I'll stand by it. It is something I can defend.

It is somewhat suspicious, I have to admire you for having guts. People are always saying you should vote for who you think is bad, and this is a good example of it. We're definately gonna have to look at sndvls tomorrow.

st.cronin · 10-26-2006, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

I disagree. It is so important that the zombies find the PC that I don't think they would waste a night making somebody suspicious. It is a nice side effect, but should be trying hard to hit the PC.

So... why KWhit?

If you really think that, then you have to believe that either myself or BrianD (or both) is a zombie. Not umbrella, but a zombie.

hoopsguy · 10-26-2006, 08:02 PM

Fouts - KWhit cast two votes, neither of them for Bullet.

You could be right that BrianD was a zombie and they don't know what Cronin is. Or it could be that he cast two votes for players and they do not know the allegiance of either. How many people fit that profile from Day 1? I'll take a look now for the answer to that question.

LoneStarGirl · 10-26-2006, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

I'm pretty sure you meant tie vice lynch.

shit... yah you are right. Thats what i get for watching the game and playing werewolf at the same time

hoopsguy · 10-26-2006, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Thats what I have also. Here is the voting path of the day:

(112) Lathum votes Hoopsguy (1)
(120) Fouts votes St.cronin (1)
(125) st.cronin votes hoopsguy (2)
(180) Alan votes Bulletsponge (1)
(184) Ntndeacon votes fouts (1)
(190) Kwhit votes BrianD (1)
(235) Anxiety votes St.Cronin (2)
(246) Lathum UNVOTES Hoopsguy (1) ***
(246) Lathum votes St.cronin (3)
(253) Hoopsguy votes Bulletsponge (2)
(257) spleen votes bulletsponge (3)
(273) Tyrith votes Bulletsponge (4)
(276) Sndvls votes Bulletsponge (5)
(278) Kwhit UNVOTES BrianD (0) ***
(278) Kwhit votes Stcronin (4)
(279) Path votes Stcronin (5)
(281) BrianD votes Bulletsponge (6)
(283) Saldana votes Bulletsponge (7)
(286) Mr. Wednesday votes Bulletsponge (8)
(290) Lonestargirl votes St.cronin (6)
(308) Glengoyne votes Bulletsponge (9)
(313) Chief Rum votes Lathum (1)
(316) St.Cronin UNVOTES Hoopsguy (0) ***
(316) St.cronin votes Bulletsponge (10)
(318) Chief Rum UNVOTES Lathum (0) ***
(343) Chief Rum votes Bulletsponge (11)

Fouts, KWhit was the only person who unvoted from someone and did not end up on Bulletsponge. I think they could have chased KWhit here without BrianD having to be a zombie - he may very well be one, but I don't think he has to be for their play to make sense.

Glengoyne · 10-26-2006, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Geez, nice long post to say you are throwing your vote out the window. Thanks Glen.

I forgot to really address Lathum in my long post. A vote for Lathum made a three way tie, so that wouldn't have been very helpful. I'm going to have to go back and see what Hoops and Tyrith had to say about him, as there was a little something there.

st.cronin · 10-26-2006, 08:05 PM

I like GlenGoyne's vote.

Alan T · 10-26-2006, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Glengoyne

I forgot to really address Lathum in my long post. A vote for Lathum made a three way tie, so that wouldn't have been very helpful. I'm going to have to go back and see what Hoops and Tyrith had to say about him, as there was a little something there.

Well good news! THats no longer the case

(5) Lathum - path (642), Hoops (643), Tyrith (665), Lonestargirl (698), St. Cronin (714)
(4) St.Cronin - Alan (445), Lathum (452), Anxiety (538), BrianD (553)
(2) Alan T - Spleen (564), Sndvls (658)
(2) BrianD - Fouts (631), Mr.Wednesday (641)
(1) Sndvls - Glengoyne (700)

Alan T · 10-26-2006, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I like GlenGoyne's vote.

I dont have a huge problem with it since Sndvls definitly wasn't very honest earlier and he's on my radar. Im not switching to him though today since Im going to stick with my vote.

st.cronin · 10-26-2006, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Fouts, KWhit was the only person who unvoted from someone and did not end up on Bulletsponge. I think they could have chased KWhit here without BrianD having to be a zombie - he may very well be one, but I don't think he has to be for their play to make sense.

I agree, and think I would agree even if I weren't one of the players he voted for. It would actually be a dangerous play to go after Kwhit IF Brian was a zombie.

LoneStarGirl · 10-26-2006, 08:09 PM

Is lathum coming back in the next two hours to defend himself?

Fouts · 10-26-2006, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

If you really think that, then you have to believe that either myself or BrianD (or both) is a zombie. Not umbrella, but a zombie.

Yes, hence my vote. I am not 99.9% sure like Alan. I am also suspicious of people who knock down this theory without really discussing it.

Alan T · 10-26-2006, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I agree, and think I would agree even if I weren't one of the players he voted for. It would actually be a dangerous play to go after Kwhit IF Brian was a zombie.

That was my comment this morning when I dismissed this idea when I originally brought it up. its possible, but doubtful in my mind.

Tyrith · 10-26-2006, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

That was my comment this morning when I dismissed this idea when I originally brought it up. its possible, but doubtful in my mind.

Fairly certain I said that too. If Brian is a zombie they would have been much better off letting his vote die in the day one muck than letting us talk about it all day today.

Glengoyne · 10-26-2006, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

I agree that SnDvls is acting suspicious, but what chance is that 4 other people will jump on that vote this late in the day?

Change your vote, and then he'll practically be leading the pack. I don't have a solid reason to vote for Cronin, Lathum, or Alan. snDvls drops by makes a clearly misleading statement when the trend is to vote for Alan, and then departs.

Glengoyne · 10-26-2006, 08:21 PM

Well okay he wouldn't be leading the pack, as there seems to be a trend to Lathum now.

Alan T · 10-26-2006, 08:24 PM

Going to do dinner stuff. back in about an hour or so hopefully (with about 30 min to spare till deadline)

Fouts · 10-26-2006, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Glengoyne

Change your vote, and then he'll practically be leading the pack. I don't have a solid reason to vote for Cronin, Lathum, or Alan. snDvls drops by makes a clearly misleading statement when the trend is to vote for Alan, and then departs.

Ok, I'll take a shot. I'll keep my eye on BrianD though.

unvote BrianD

vote SnDvls

Glengoyne · 10-26-2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Ok, I'll take a shot. I'll keep my eye on BrianD though.

unvote BrianD

vote SnDvls

That's what I'm talking about. OK, I gotta run home. I'll be back well before the deadline.

Fouts · 10-26-2006, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Glengoyne

That's what I'm talking about. OK, I gotta run home. I'll be back well before the deadline.

I'm not sure why you are getting excited about my vote move. SnDvls only has 2 votes.

Fouts · 10-26-2006, 08:48 PM

My thoughts on the candidates;

Lathum - no clue on his faction, others seem to be sure about his guilt
St.Cronin - more likely to be bad between the top 3, but if he's good, then Alan will lead the mob after me
Alan T - playing the crazy villager I think
BrianD - I put a lot of pressure on him, and not much response
Sndvls - Acting suspicious, but who knows

saldana · 10-26-2006, 08:48 PM

vote sndvls

i still not sure about either lathum or alan, but i find sndvls to always be an excellent wolf...i am ok with this vote.

BrianD · 10-26-2006, 08:49 PM

I'm still not sure where the suspicion of me is coming from. I didn't kill KWhit and I didn't cause his death. For me to do so after he voted for me would be the dumbest move ever.

So are people now thinking that the PC voted for a STARS member because only STARS members were on the block yesterday? I'm still not sure I agree with that.

BrianD · 10-26-2006, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

BrianD - I put a lot of pressure on him, and not much response

I just came back and saw the pressure...

Tyrith · 10-26-2006, 08:52 PM

I didn't see anything out of sndvls that I'm not willing to attribute to sndvls being sndvls for today, but he's a very good bad guy and he's on the radar.

The 5-4-3-2 vote we have going now scares me.

hoopsguy · 10-26-2006, 08:55 PM

Votes as of Post #747:

(5) Lathum - Path (642), Hoops (643), Tyrith (665), LSG (696), Cronin (714)
(4) Cronin - AlanT (445), Lathum (452), Anxiety (538), BrianD (553)
(3) SnDvls - Glen (700), Fouts (741), Saldana (745)
(2) AlanT - Spleen (564), SnDvls (658)
(1) BrianD - MrW (641)

No Votes: NTN, Chief Rum

Alan T · 10-26-2006, 09:01 PM

Just caught up. Looks like I didn't miss much. I'll say the same thing as yesterday though.. anyone responsible for a last minute tie will get my vote tommorrow.

10-26-2006, 07:55 PM	#708
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	btw, even if I wasn't one of the 2 he voted for, I would be very uneasy using KWhits day 1 votes as pointing at zombies. If I were a zombie I would be delighted to have a chance to point suspicion at two non-zombies. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

10-26-2006, 07:56 PM	#714
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	unvote AlanT vote Lathum __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

10-26-2006, 08:05 PM	#730
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I like GlenGoyne's vote. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

10-26-2006, 07:53 PM	#704
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	Geez, nice long post to say you are throwing your vote out the window. Thanks Glen.

10-26-2006, 07:53 PM	#705
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	(4) St.Cronin - Alan (445), Lathum (452), Anxiety (538), BrianD (553) (4) Lathum - path (642), Hoops (643), Tyrith (665), Lonestargirl (698) (3) Alan T - Spleen (564), St.cronin (586), Sndvls (658) (2) BrianD - Fouts (631), Mr.Wednesday (641) (1) Sndvls - Glengoyne (700) Right now, still same thing as before. Ending in a tie is the worst scenerio. Lynching a STARS that isnt an important role is better than a tie since we will learn nothing.

10-26-2006, 07:53 PM	#706
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Alan, I'm pretty sure we are looking at Cronin differently when factoring in the Police Chief. Of course, if you adopt that outlook then it assumes that Cronin is in fact STARS. We know that Bullet was STARS. The math on the 2nd person being STARS, after the first one was (Bullet) is probably above 50%.

10-26-2006, 07:54 PM	#707
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	Rum is viewing, I'll be interested to hear his take.

10-26-2006, 07:55 PM	#709
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	I plan on being on for awhile, I would hate a lynch to happen... I might change my vote if it looks like a lynch is inevitable.

10-26-2006, 07:58 PM	#719
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I don't think that the first two people voting on Bullet have any bearing on the likelihood of Cronin being STARS/notSTARS. But, to answer your question - if you are STARS then that is exactly what happened.

10-26-2006, 08:02 PM	#726
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Fouts - KWhit cast two votes, neither of them for Bullet. You could be right that BrianD was a zombie and they don't know what Cronin is. Or it could be that he cast two votes for players and they do not know the allegiance of either. How many people fit that profile from Day 1? I'll take a look now for the answer to that question.

10-26-2006, 08:09 PM	#734
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	Is lathum coming back in the next two hours to defend himself?

10-26-2006, 08:21 PM	#739
Glengoyne Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fresno, CA	Well okay he wouldn't be leading the pack, as there seems to be a trend to Lathum now.

10-26-2006, 08:24 PM	#740
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Going to do dinner stuff. back in about an hour or so hopefully (with about 30 min to spare till deadline)

10-26-2006, 08:48 PM	#744
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	My thoughts on the candidates; Lathum - no clue on his faction, others seem to be sure about his guilt St.Cronin - more likely to be bad between the top 3, but if he's good, then Alan will lead the mob after me Alan T - playing the crazy villager I think BrianD - I put a lot of pressure on him, and not much response Sndvls - Acting suspicious, but who knows

10-26-2006, 08:48 PM	#745
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	vote sndvls i still not sure about either lathum or alan, but i find sndvls to always be an excellent wolf...i am ok with this vote.

10-26-2006, 08:49 PM	#746
BrianD Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	I'm still not sure where the suspicion of me is coming from. I didn't kill KWhit and I didn't cause his death. For me to do so after he voted for me would be the dumbest move ever. So are people now thinking that the PC voted for a STARS member because only STARS members were on the block yesterday? I'm still not sure I agree with that.

10-26-2006, 08:52 PM	#748
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	I didn't see anything out of sndvls that I'm not willing to attribute to sndvls being sndvls for today, but he's a very good bad guy and he's on the radar. The 5-4-3-2 vote we have going now scares me.

10-26-2006, 08:55 PM	#749
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Votes as of Post #747: (5) Lathum - Path (642), Hoops (643), Tyrith (665), LSG (696), Cronin (714) (4) Cronin - AlanT (445), Lathum (452), Anxiety (538), BrianD (553) (3) SnDvls - Glen (700), Fouts (741), Saldana (745) (2) AlanT - Spleen (564), SnDvls (658) (1) BrianD - MrW (641) No Votes: NTN, Chief Rum

10-26-2006, 09:01 PM	#750
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Just caught up. Looks like I didn't miss much. I'll say the same thing as yesterday though.. anyone responsible for a last minute tie will get my vote tommorrow.

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