Werewolf XLV - ROME! (Game over, post 3425)

[path12]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

that would make sense, cuz honestly you didn't seem wolfy to me at all all game so far.

Apparently Ironus Headus disagrees.

[Passacaglia]

Wow. Ardent is too powerful, and must be stopped. If our vote is to hold any stock, we're going to need sex slaves on top of him 24-7, or to outbid the prisoners for his services.

[Abe Sargent]

I didn't die? Wow. Let me see if I got a scan pm from st cronin.

[path12]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

The initial votes at the Treason trials:

10 - Anxiety - Daddy Torgo (2620), Narcizo (2724), Tyrith (2733), Coffee Warlord (2747), Chief Rum (2750), Grammaticus (2724), Passacaglia (2792), Ironhead (2811), Autumn (2814), Mustang (2819)

4 - DaddyTorgo - Anxiety (2734), Barkeep (2740), path12 (2707), KWhit (2815)

Two lawyers make speeches: Narcizus Lispus makes an impassioned speech defending Abeus Anxietus. He is followed by Ardentus Enthusiastus making a brilliant speech laying out the case against Daddyus Torgous. A second vote is taken - this time the vote is unanimous. Daddyus Torgous is thrown from the rock, and Abeus Anxietus is freed.

So who hired Ardent to prosecute DT?

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

The initial votes at the Treason trials:

10 - Anxiety - Daddy Torgo (2620), Narcizo (2724), Tyrith (2733), Coffee Warlord (2747), Chief Rum (2750), Grammaticus (2724), Passacaglia (2792), Ironhead (2811), Autumn (2814), Mustang (2819)

4 - DaddyTorgo - Anxiety (2734), Barkeep (2740), path12 (2707), KWhit (2815)

Two lawyers make speeches: Narcizus Lispus makes an impassioned speech defending Abeus Anxietus. He is followed by Ardentus Enthusiastus making a brilliant speech laying out the case against Daddyus Torgous. A second vote is taken - this time the vote is unanimous. Daddyus Torgous is thrown from the rock, and Abeus Anxietus is freed.

Well, that certainly was unexpected.

What the &#@? Who won Ardentus for yesterday?

[Poli]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

you're a pretty damm good lawyer AE. To overcome that vote differential

Sorry boss. I apparently convinced myself.

[path12]

Dola, because that person deliberately went against the vote to make sure Anxiety was freed. I find that interesting.

[path12]

Crap, missed dola.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Wow. Ardent is too powerful, and must be stopped. If our vote is to hold any stock, we're going to need sex slaves on top of him 24-7, or to outbid the prisoners for his services.

Too easy. I won the slaves. I'll just use them on myself.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

DT was a good guy.

Waiting for confirmation on this ...

But I'm now wishing I had had Anxietus rearrested. Which I almost, almost did. I figured if he was freed it might be because he was innocent though. Ididn't expect Daddy to get prosecuted by Perry Mason.

argg

[Poli]

Autumn, any reason not to use the slaves on myself?

[Autumn]

Well, that's an odd idea. LOL. I guess that would prevent that from happening again.

[Autumn]

All right, back to work. Well thigns are certainly always exciting around here. There's so many services we have to wrap up, who would have thought the lawyer could be so powerful. For what it's worth, I lost my bid as usual.

[st.cronin]

The wealthiest men in Rome are:

Abeus Anxietus
Ardentus Enthusiastus

The following Senators are extremely wealthy:

Autumnus Leavus
Grammus Atticus
Mustangus Sallus

The following Senators are moderately wealthy:

Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Ironus Headus
Kayus Whitus
Pathus Twelveus

The following (remaining) Senators are of normal wealth:

Chiefus Rumus
Chubbus Chubbus
Narcizus Lispus
Passus Caglius
Tyrus Ithus

[Abe Sargent]

This is not a good thing for me, and it hurts my case, but it helps my side.

I just got my pm. Apparently, AE is cleared of any wrong doing.

[Poli]

I'm not sure how that news sets with me. I believe someone tried to hire me to scan...me...in the past, and said it couldn't work that way.

Obviously, I appreciate the news.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Autumn, any reason not to use the slaves on myself?

That would make you a masturslaver

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

I'm not sure how that news sets with me. I believe someone tried to hire me to scan...me...in the past, and said it couldn't work that way.

Obviously, I appreciate the news.

Seems like DC talked about it, but I'm not sure if she did it or not.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

That would make you a masturslaver

Cronin, can I come back and haunt Gramm for all eternity for this line?

[Autumn]

Well, every night I hope things will get cleared up, but it seems they just get muddled. Do we know who bodyguarded tonight? It seems someone wanted to set Anxietus free and throw Daddyus off the cliff. Did we hear what Kayus Whitus won? He seems the obvious choice, and I guess I'm glad I arrested him now, but now Anxietus is free and fabulously wealthy to boot.

I'm not sure how to take Anxietus' clearing of Ardentus. I suppose it's the best bet he has - he knows we're unlikely to pay attention to him clearing one of his compatriots, or calling someone else a traitor.

Maybe at my new wealth level I can manage to actually win a service. I'd be inclined to do a scan myself for once.

Ironus Headus, can you let us know why you chose to arrest Pathus? I will go back and read posts, but I'm not sure how he might tie into all this.

Coffeeus Warlordus was certainly on my suspect list, but I'm also not sure about Ardentus deciding to off him. I would have preferred to off somebody we were more sure of. That sword killer is an awfully convenient way to make a public kill and not reveal your loyalty.

[Grammaticus]

Grammaticus Atticus sues the following:

Chiefus Rumus
Abeus Anxietus
Barkeepus
Tryithus
Dadeus Torgus
Patheus Twelveus
Passus Caligulas
Ironus Headus
Mustangus
Chubus

General misconduct is the charge

[Poli]

Sorry, Autumn. I was increasingly worried about the Warlord.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

I'm not sure how that news sets with me. I believe someone tried to hire me to scan...me...in the past, and said it couldn't work that way.

Obviously, I appreciate the news.

Yes, that was me that said that. Yesterday I had Narzico, which you will see int he post. My lawyer defended me, someone else's attacked DT.

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, I am absolutely 100% bidding on the killer.

[Poli]

Say again?

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Say again?

I was the one who pointed out that you can't use a lawyer to scan themselves because I asked.


I didn;t have you yesterday, I had Narzicus. I had you two days ago. Yesterday, Narzico scanned you and defended me. Look int he post for verification.

[Poli]

So, you had me yesterday?

[Poli]

Duh, AE. He says right there he didn't.

[Poli]

So, what did I do two days ago?

[Abe Sargent]

St. Cronim: You haven't posted the financial services for today, I beleive. I need to know who's up for today so I know who ta vtoe for.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

So, what did I do two days ago?

Scanned KWhit

[Poli]

Right. And he came back clean, right?

[st.cronin]

The following people are offering services in the Forum today:

Gallus Clarus, ex-legionnaire
Titus Ludius, ex-legionnaire
Durus Pimpus, dealer in sexual slaves
Animus Sentus, person rumored to be affiliated with the Priesthood
Furius Lucius, former warlord of Gaul, enslaved and now freed
Lexus Postus, owner of many horses
Blakus Fortunatus, owner of many horses

and of course,

Ardentus Enthusiastus
Narcizus Lispus

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

The initial votes at the Treason trials:

10 - Anxiety - Daddy Torgo (2620), Narcizo (2724), Tyrith (2733), Coffee Warlord (2747), Chief Rum (2750), Grammaticus (2724), Passacaglia (2792), Ironhead (2811), Autumn (2814), Mustang (2819)

4 - DaddyTorgo - Anxiety (2734), Barkeep (2740), path12 (2707), KWhit (2815)

Two lawyers make speeches: Narcizus Lispus makes an impassioned speech defending Abeus Anxietus. He is followed by Ardentus Enthusiastus making a brilliant speech laying out the case against Daddyus Torgous. A second vote is taken - this time the vote is unanimous. Daddyus Torgous is thrown from the rock, and Abeus Anxietus is freed.

Looks like Narc was hired to defend Abeus and AE was hired to Prosecute DT, hence both lawyers working in Abeus' favor.

Who hired AE?

[Tyrith]

Tyrith sues Mustang because he can win

I won the services of one of the BGs for today.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

The following people are offering services in the Forum today:

Gallus Clarus, ex-legionnaire
Titus Ludius, ex-legionnaire real
Durus Pimpus, dealer in sexual slaves
Animus Sentus, person rumored to be affiliated with the Priesthood
Furius Lucius, former warlord of Gaul, enslaved and now freed
Lexus Postus, owner of many horses
Blakus Fortunatus, owner of many horses

and of course,

Ardentus Enthusiastus
Narcizus Lispus

That pimpus has the sex slave market cornered.

[Tyrith]

DT was good, yes?

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Okay, two days ago, my first day of enchanced wealth, I bud on and received the services of Ardent. Yesterday I ordered him to investigate KWhit which I just got back. KWhit is not guilty of any crime.

Originally Posted by Anxiety

This is not a good thing for me, and it hurts my case, but it helps my side.

I just got my pm. Apparently, AE is cleared of any wrong doing.

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I was the one who pointed out that you can't use a lawyer to scan themselves because I asked.


I didn;t have you yesterday, I had Narzicus. I had you two days ago. Yesterday, Narzico scanned you and defended me. Look int he post for verification.

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Right. And he came back clean, right?

Here's where you may have tripped yourself up, Anxiety.

Two days ago, I had the slaves. There's no way I investigated Kwhit if I had the slaves.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

DT was good, yes?

Yes.

[Poli]

The reason I thought of this:

If I give myself the sex slaves, there's no way anyone could use me to scan someone for this day.

[Poli]

Alas, I must soon retire to chambers. I'll catch up in the morning...though morning will likely be the last time I'm online until AFTER the deadline.

I, of course, am willing to bid on whoever I need to to help the cause.

[Tyrith]

Sue Barkeep, Chubby

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Here's where you may have tripped yourself up, Anxiety.

Two days ago, I had the slaves. There's no way I investigated Kwhit if I had the slaves.

Day X - Someone places a bid
Day X+1 - They get an award. They submit an action
Day X+2 - They get that action done.

On the first day I had full wealth, I bid on you.

The following day I won you. I send you to scan KWhit. I bid onteh sex slaves.

The following day I discovered that KWhit was clean, I ordered the sex slaves to stop you.I bid on Narzico

The folloiwng day the sex slaves stopped you. I ordered Narzico to protect me. I placed no bid because I was in jail.

Today I received my action on my scan of you by Narcizo.

That;s the order that thigns happened, and that;s the order I posted here in teh ame. I have been totally consistent, because I have never lied.

[Abe Sargent]

Note that crtain actions are faster. I bid on a lawyer, and if I win them, I can use them for defense the following day, but I still dont get teh san result until teh day after that.

[Tyrith]

I feel the choice offered to us today doesn't really get at the core of our problems. KWhit seems to be more or less a conspiracy theory. The problem for us now...is that AE killing CW DOESN'T REVEAL CW'S ALLEGIANCE! So we still don't know how all the linkages in the Anxiety/AE/whatever mess are working right now. If we could just kill one known bad guy I can't help but feel we'd roll them up right now...anyway, I'm definitely leaning towards bumping path, because I find it hard to believe that a) CW and Anxiety would so openly link themselves and b) that in doing so they'd link themselves to a THIRD guy so we could roll up the entire team. It's not impossible, but it just seems so damned dangerous. Further, Anxiety's defense worked so well that I can't help but think he was aided by innocence.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

If we could just kill one known bad guy I can't help but feel we'd roll them up right now...anyway, I'm definitely leaning towards bumping path

I'm on board with the sentiment. But bumping me doesn't accomplish it. I actually have no idea why I'm even here. Or KWhit for that matter. The arrests have been odd, to say the least.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by path12

I'm on board with the sentiment. But bumping me doesn't accomplish it. I actually have no idea why I'm even here. Or KWhit for that matter. The arrests have been odd, to say the least.

Yeah, this really doesn't seem like what should have been our focus today...if we just wanted to sex slave AE forever, couldn't we have arrested him and at least given ourselves a shot at offing him if we so desire?

[Ironhead]

I had hoped to wait and hear from Narcizo regarding DaddyTorgo but it doesn't look like he is going to be on before I hit the sack.

I am the one who bid on, won and used Ardent yesterday. My thinking was pretty simple. I could use Ardent to investigate someone or assign him to the Senate for prosecution/defense - not both (confirmed this with St. Cronin). Quite frankly up to this point scanning people hasn't turned up anything, and not only that people don't seem to trust them as evidenced by KWhit being scanned 3 times (or so people claim).

This is what I saw in the lynch votes as we closed in on deadline:
Anxiety - 11 votes
DaddyTorgo - 4 votes

Up to this point the absolute only thing we have to judge lawyer use on is Coffee Warlord. On the 2nd day he used Ardent to swing 3 votes in his favor.

Game Rules Regarding Lawyers:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

RULES

2 lawyers

There will be two additional public roles, the Best Lawyer in Rome, and the Second Best Lawyer in Rome. The lawyers may be hired by any player. When you have hired a lawyer, he may be used in the following ways:

- to defend yourself from an accusation of treason (this will be more effective if the player is, in fact, innocent)

- to represent you in a lawsuit (more on this later)

- you may appoint him as the Senate's lawyer, and prosecute a charge of treason (this will be more effective if the player is, in fact, guilty)

When a player who has hired a lawyer dies, that lawyer becomes richer. Lawyers have some other abilities which are a secret.

I feel that the underlined parts above are absolutely key. Scenarios I was looking at:

a) Scenario 1 - Anxiety is actually a Tarq, DaddyTorgo is innocent
Anxiety - 11 votes
DaddyTorgo - 4 votes

Judging by the game mechanics in this situation I would have received a poor defense, and DaddyTorgo to have received a poor prosecution. End result is that the votes barely change, Anxiety is executed and the poor prosecution put on by Ardent provides some kind of proof as to DaddyTorgo's loyalty.

b) Scenario 2 - Anxiety is actually for the Republic, DaddyTorgo is a Tarq
Anxiety - 11 votes
DaddyTorgo - 4 votes

Again, going purely what was posted in the rules I would expect Anxiety to receive a very good defense and DaddyTorgo to receive a very strong prosecution. I would like to point out right here that THIS IS WHAT ST. CRONIN'S POST IS SHOWING US THAT HAPPENED.

c) Scenarios 3 - Anxiety is loyal and DaddyTorgo is loyal
Anxiety - 11 votes
DaddyTorgo - 4 votes

I would have expected the final votes to be almost equal in this case.

d) Scenarios 4 - Anxiety is a Tarq and DaddyTorgo is a Tarq
Anxiety - 11 votes
DaddyTorgo - 4 votes

I would expect either Anxiety's defense to be poor, but DaddyTorgo's prosecution could be so stellar since he is guilty that the end result could be convincing.


So, going purely by the game mechanics I would expect DaddyTorgo to be a Tarq. When I first saw the voting results I got up and ran through the living room screaming like I just scored a goal in the world cup because I thought it worked and we had someone finally.

And then Ardent posted that DaddyTorgo was good. Huh? That makes no sense. If DaddyTorgo was innocent why was his prosecution a CLEAN SWEEP of the votes.

[Narcizo]

For the little it's worth I confirm that DT was good. Big bloody surprise. How the hell could he be anything else? I lined up the argument yesterday. There was next to no evidence against DT - there was clear evidence that KWhit and Coffee Warlord are in a conspiracy together, with a strong possibility that Anxiety was in on it as well.

ANYONE who thought there was reason to believe that DT was more worthy of an execution than Anxiety is a suspect to me. It's nonsense. I don't know what the hell happened here but there's wolf fingerprints (pawprints, I guess) all over this. I don't think everyone can be bad, some are clearly just being duped. It makes me wonder just how many wolves we're dealing with. Every game I think there must be about 50% wolves.

If Ardent is sending the sex slaves to himself that means I'd like to know who has my services today and how they're going to use them. Are they going to actually scan someone to gather some information or are they going to be tampering with the majority will of the senators. Again.

On the plus side. No kill today again? I wonder if you can kill while you're in prison. I'd take a wild guess and say "probably not". I've laid out the argument against KWhit, Coffee and Anxiety. If they're not guilty then I'm the Wizard of Oz. Path? Dunno. He voted against DT, maybe he's bad, maybe he's just misguided. Either way, once again, the evidence is massively in favour of -

Vote Execute KWhit

And vote for an arrest order on Anxiety.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Ironhead

I am the one who bid on, won and used Ardent yesterday. My thinking was pretty simple. I could use Ardent to investigate someone or assign him to the Senate for prosecution/defense - not both (confirmed this with St. Cronin). Quite frankly up to this point scanning people hasn't turned up anything, and not only that people don't seem to trust them as evidenced by KWhit being scanned 3 times (or so people claim).

This is what I saw in the lynch votes as we closed in on deadline:
Anxiety - 11 votes
DaddyTorgo - 4 votes

....

Anxiety had 10 votes not 11, Ironhead. Would that have effected your decision? I don't know about your argument. Given the circumstances it seems like a massive risk to take based on assumptions from semantics that are, intentionally, cloudy. I've had a good feeling about you for most of the game but this makes me wonder.