WW LXVII -- The Return of Divination Nation! (GAME OVER STUDENTS WIN!!!) - Page 14

Passacaglia · 02-19-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

You're right Lathum, i don't have a vote on me, I just get really frustrated when I add something to the discussion and it's used against me. I really fuckin' hate it, especially when accusations are being made against me. I might as well keep my mouth shut and stay UTR, these people seem to make it pretty far.

I can't remember who asked, but I did say we should hold off on voting until we have more information and my vote on Lathum was instinctual as I was frustrated as shit.

Yeah, they make it pretty far, but I would imagine they don't get as much out of playing the game, if they don't actually play. Plus, if the villagers lose to an awesome wolf team, everyone bitches to the UTR villagers for not winning, after the game is over.

claphamsa · 02-19-2008, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Yeah, they make it pretty far, but I would imagine they don't get as much out of playing the game, if they don't actually play. Plus, if the villagers lose to an awesome wolf team, everyone bitches to the UTR villagers for not winning, after the game is over.

I agree, Id rather have fun and lose than sit back....

MikeVic · 02-19-2008, 11:37 AM

Can someone do one of those history things on clap?

jeheinz72 · 02-19-2008, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

Can someone do one of those history things on clap?

History thing?

MikeVic · 02-19-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

History thing?

Who he voted for, his comments regarding people's proposed strategies, etc...

claphamsa · 02-19-2008, 11:44 AM

I voted for jackyl day 1, and never changed it cuz there was no point...

claphamsa · 02-19-2008, 11:45 AM

what else did you want to know?

Lathum · 02-19-2008, 11:46 AM

Popping in real quickly before class

A quick thought. I don't think we can completly discount the N0 scans. I am thinking they may be in there to help us determine who is the class clown and who is the teachers pet

MikeVic · 02-19-2008, 11:56 AM

I went through the thread from page 7 and on, looking for clap evidence... here's what my thought process was throughout the searching:

Post 411: Suggests we scan multiple times as a wolf result to be sure the person is a wolf. There were also a couple other posts where he doesn't want anything to do with scanning as a factor in voting.
450s: Confusion with the wording about being scanned. NFG, DC, and clap are all involved here.
519: clap reveals his scan shows Lathum came up student though... which throws me off.
567: Defends nfg again.
598: Pumpy votes for NFG early... maybe the wolves realize NFG could be a target for lynching, so Pumpy puts in a vote to show that just in case NFG is revealed to be a wolf, Pumpy voted against him and thus is not a wolf.

Remember this is my second game so I'm not quite sure what to do, but from the above I have suspicions about clap, NFG, DC, and Pumpy. Maybe Lathum is an outside shot. Anyone else follow this train of thinking?

claphamsa · 02-19-2008, 11:58 AM

I can assure you I never defeded NFG....

claphamsa · 02-19-2008, 11:59 AM

just said he coudl be a n00b. doesnt mean hes not at the top of my hit list...

oliegirl · 02-19-2008, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Popping in real quickly before class

A quick thought. I don't think we can completly discount the N0 scans. I am thinking they may be in there to help us determine who is the class clown and who is the teachers pet

I agree...I don't think GM's give us any "useless" information. It's my experience that info may seem useless at first, but at some point becomes important and things start to fall into place.

IMO, some people are trying to put too much emphasis on the scans at this point in the game. It's like trying to use one day of voting as a "record" to base your next vote on. I'm not planning on putting much emphasis on scans until day 3 or so, unless of course something crazy happens and we know we have valid information. Until then, I'm just recording everything so that once everyone has 2 or 3 scans I can start to look at everything.

claphamsa · 02-19-2008, 12:00 PM

Other than that I agree with you, NFG DC and pumpy seem to be the wolfliest... unless we get somethign else ill vote NFG... but we have 8 hours....

MikeVic · 02-19-2008, 12:10 PM

I'm wanting to vote and scan two of the people I mentioned. I want to know if anyone else sees things to go otherwise. I still don't know what kind of scanning strategy we should do.

SnDvls · 02-19-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

Other than that I agree with you, NFG DC and pumpy seem to be the wolfliest... unless we get somethign else ill vote NFG... but we have 8 hours....

I can understand where you are coming from on NFG & DC, but I must have missed what Pumpy has done other than not revealing his N-0 scan...can you or someone fill me in on this?

claphamsa · 02-19-2008, 12:11 PM

I welcome any scans.....

claphamsa · 02-19-2008, 12:11 PM

althouhg it would help to scan somoen who i know isnt good...

MikeVic · 02-19-2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

I can understand where you are coming from on NFG & DC, but I must have missed what Pumpy has done other than not revealing his N-0 scan...can you or someone fill me in on this?

The only reason I had was my reasoning for post 598. But that's not much really. I'm really skeptical on NFG at this point though.

Barkeep49 · 02-19-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

althouhg it would help to scan somoen who i know isnt good...

This brings up the intriguing idea that if we are reasonably sure someone is a wolf we might want to keep them around for a day or two to see what kind of scan results we'd get. Not sure how we'd reach a confident level of certainty about their wolfiness but it is an intriguing idea clap presents.

jeheinz72 · 02-19-2008, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

I'm wanting to vote and scan two of the people I mentioned. I want to know if anyone else sees things to go otherwise. I still don't know what kind of scanning strategy we should do.

At this point I'm with you Mike. I'd like to whittle your list down to DC and NFG. Which we vote and which we scan doesn't really matter to me.

claphamsa · 02-19-2008, 12:22 PM

well i was not suggesting that

I was suggesting that if you alls wanns scan me fine. cuz im good, but its a waste... and it would help to scan somoen who may be bad...

jeheinz72 · 02-19-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

well i was not suggesting that

I was suggesting that if you alls wanns scan me fine. cuz im good, but its a waste... and it would help to scan somoen who may be bad...

I tend to believe you at this point. I don't quite get the suspicion on you and frankly think others have done more to warrant actions today.

st.cronin · 02-19-2008, 12:42 PM

Ok, I scanned GRF n-0 and he got killed. So I'm a little nervous about revealing the results of last night's scan.

Can somebody also remind me who else had scanned GRF?

Passacaglia · 02-19-2008, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Ok, I scanned GRF n-0 and he got killed. So I'm a little nervous about revealing the results of last night's scan.

Can somebody also remind me who else had scanned GRF?

The Heinz and MikeVic.

Passacaglia · 02-19-2008, 12:46 PM

For their N1 scans, The Heinz didn't get one, and MikeVic scanned claphamsa, who came up wolf.

st.cronin · 02-19-2008, 12:49 PM

Has anybody tried to make a case for lynching MikeVic today (still not caught up, sorry for the questions).

st.cronin · 02-19-2008, 12:49 PM

dola, or the heiny for that matter.

Passacaglia · 02-19-2008, 12:51 PM

I don't think I've seen a case for either of them. Also, you're the only blank on my spreadsheet.

st.cronin · 02-19-2008, 12:54 PM

My first instinct is that GRF was killed by somebody who scanned him n-0. Of course, it might have been somebody who claimed to scan somebody else, too.

jeheinz72 · 02-19-2008, 12:55 PM

No one has tried to lynch me since I've been around

jeheinz72 · 02-19-2008, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

My first instinct is that GRF was killed by somebody who scanned him n-0. Of course, it might have been somebody who claimed to scan somebody else, too.

Why's that?

And FTR, I didn't even know I had scanned him N0 until he was already dead (since I missed all of Day One).

st.cronin · 02-19-2008, 12:59 PM

Because the setup is that the wolves don't know each other. So, if you're a wolf, who do you kill? If you know who the teacher's pet is, that's first choice. Second choice would be somebody like me or Barkeep or Lathum - somebody who, as a villager, would scare the wolves. Third choice would be somebody that you KNOW is a villager - that way you don't kill one of your own. I think that third choice makes the most sense for GRF, unless he somehow gave away that he was the Jock.

MikeVic · 02-19-2008, 01:02 PM

How do you KNOW someone is a villager? And was it said that the wolves don't know each other? I missed that.

Lathum · 02-19-2008, 01:02 PM

We all know you scanned me Cronin so lets have it

claphamsa · 02-19-2008, 01:02 PM

yeah, when was it decided that the wolves dont know eachother? Cronin? paging cronin?

jeheinz72 · 02-19-2008, 01:04 PM

It actually says in the rules that the wolves do know each other and can communicate privately.

st.cronin · 02-19-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

How do you KNOW someone is a villager? And was it said that the wolves don't know each other? I missed that.

Path said that on day 1, although I think he phrased it with some doubt - the wolves don't necessarily know each other, or something.

And if you are a wolf, and for some reason you trust your n-0 scan, you know that person is a villager/wolf - that's why I think GRF was killed, I think he was scanned by a wolf, and came up villager.

Note that I don't necessarily think that the wolf who scanned him would claim to have scanned him, so I'm not thinking too hard about a vote for you, Mike Vic.

st.cronin · 02-19-2008, 01:08 PM

Hmm, now I look at the rules and it does say that the wolves know each other. I thought that was a topic of conversation throughout yesterday, did I dream that?

claphamsa · 02-19-2008, 01:10 PM

I think you took too much acid as a kid....

Pumpy Tudors · 02-19-2008, 01:14 PM

For some reason, people did wonder if the wolves knew each other. That discussion did happen. As pointed out, however, the rules do state that the wolves know each other from the beginning of the game.

mauchow · 02-19-2008, 01:17 PM

Might as well get a vote in now since I might not be able to check back before the day is over. I am sure I will be able to, so if I see the need to change my vote, I will. If nfg is a wolf, this tells me that I'm not the 100% scanner since I saw him as a student the first time around.

vote nfg

Dr. Sak · 02-19-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Hmm, now I look at the rules and it does say that the wolves know each other. I thought that was a topic of conversation throughout yesterday, did I dream that?

Quick licking those toads...

Dr. Sak · 02-19-2008, 01:18 PM

Quit not quick...

dammit

st.cronin · 02-19-2008, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

I wonder if the wolves even know all their partners yet. These first couple days could be crucial, they might not even be talking strategy at this point.

I guess this is pretty much the extent of what I was remembering as "significant discussion." Never mind, I guess.

Lathum · 02-19-2008, 01:24 PM

So St.Cronin and SndVls are the only 2 who haven't revealed there scan results, correct?

Lathum · 02-19-2008, 01:25 PM

NM, I think all we are waiting on is Cronin

Barkeep49 · 02-19-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Path- Do the wolves know each other to start the game?

IIRC in the first edition on this one they didn't.

Generally, yes.

Here's the exchange about wolves knowing each other.

The rules say:

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Originally Posted by the rules

The wolves will know each other at the start of the game and will be able to communicate privately. Wolves may also have another ability or role that they may use. These roles will not be made public until death.

The rules are far more absolute than what he said yesterday. The hedging could either be to insert some uncertainty into the game, with path having forgotten that he'd been straightforward in the rules, or perhaps suggesting that there is a conversion or some such thing.

But I think we should assume the wolves can coordinate their actions.

SnDvls · 02-19-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

So St.Cronin and SndVls are the only 2 who haven't revealed there scan results, correct?

nope I already revealied mine I scanned barkeep per Grey's plan and he came up a student for me.

I can find the post # for you if you want

st.cronin · 02-19-2008, 01:27 PM

Can somebody post the scan results for last night?

SnDvls · 02-19-2008, 01:27 PM

dola - oops didn't read the next post

02-19-2008, 11:44 AM	#656
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	I voted for jackyl day 1, and never changed it cuz there was no point... __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

02-19-2008, 11:45 AM	#657
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	what else did you want to know? __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

02-19-2008, 11:58 AM	#660
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	I can assure you I never defeded NFG.... __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

02-19-2008, 11:59 AM	#661
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	just said he coudl be a n00b. doesnt mean hes not at the top of my hit list... __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

02-19-2008, 12:00 PM	#663
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	Other than that I agree with you, NFG DC and pumpy seem to be the wolfliest... unless we get somethign else ill vote NFG... but we have 8 hours.... __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

02-19-2008, 11:37 AM	#653
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Can someone do one of those history things on clap?

02-19-2008, 11:46 AM	#658
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Popping in real quickly before class A quick thought. I don't think we can completly discount the N0 scans. I am thinking they may be in there to help us determine who is the class clown and who is the teachers pet

02-19-2008, 11:56 AM	#659
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	I went through the thread from page 7 and on, looking for clap evidence... here's what my thought process was throughout the searching: Post 411: Suggests we scan multiple times as a wolf result to be sure the person is a wolf. There were also a couple other posts where he doesn't want anything to do with scanning as a factor in voting. 450s: Confusion with the wording about being scanned. NFG, DC, and clap are all involved here. 519: clap reveals his scan shows Lathum came up student though... which throws me off. 567: Defends nfg again. 598: Pumpy votes for NFG early... maybe the wolves realize NFG could be a target for lynching, so Pumpy puts in a vote to show that just in case NFG is revealed to be a wolf, Pumpy voted against him and thus is not a wolf. Remember this is my second game so I'm not quite sure what to do, but from the above I have suspicions about clap, NFG, DC, and Pumpy. Maybe Lathum is an outside shot. Anyone else follow this train of thinking?

02-19-2008, 12:10 PM	#664
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	I'm wanting to vote and scan two of the people I mentioned. I want to know if anyone else sees things to go otherwise. I still don't know what kind of scanning strategy we should do.

02-19-2008, 12:11 PM	#666
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	I welcome any scans..... __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

02-19-2008, 12:11 PM	#667
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	althouhg it would help to scan somoen who i know isnt good... __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

02-19-2008, 12:22 PM	#671
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	well i was not suggesting that I was suggesting that if you alls wanns scan me fine. cuz im good, but its a waste... and it would help to scan somoen who may be bad... __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

02-19-2008, 12:42 PM	#673
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Ok, I scanned GRF n-0 and he got killed. So I'm a little nervous about revealing the results of last night's scan. Can somebody also remind me who else had scanned GRF? __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-19-2008, 12:46 PM	#675
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	For their N1 scans, The Heinz didn't get one, and MikeVic scanned claphamsa, who came up wolf.

02-19-2008, 12:49 PM	#676
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Has anybody tried to make a case for lynching MikeVic today (still not caught up, sorry for the questions). __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-19-2008, 12:49 PM	#677
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	dola, or the heiny for that matter. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-19-2008, 12:51 PM	#678
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I don't think I've seen a case for either of them. Also, you're the only blank on my spreadsheet.

02-19-2008, 12:54 PM	#679
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	My first instinct is that GRF was killed by somebody who scanned him n-0. Of course, it might have been somebody who claimed to scan somebody else, too. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-19-2008, 12:55 PM	#680
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	No one has tried to lynch me since I've been around

02-19-2008, 12:59 PM	#682
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Because the setup is that the wolves don't know each other. So, if you're a wolf, who do you kill? If you know who the teacher's pet is, that's first choice. Second choice would be somebody like me or Barkeep or Lathum - somebody who, as a villager, would scare the wolves. Third choice would be somebody that you KNOW is a villager - that way you don't kill one of your own. I think that third choice makes the most sense for GRF, unless he somehow gave away that he was the Jock. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-19-2008, 01:02 PM	#683
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	How do you KNOW someone is a villager? And was it said that the wolves don't know each other? I missed that.

02-19-2008, 01:02 PM	#684
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	We all know you scanned me Cronin so lets have it

02-19-2008, 01:02 PM	#685
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	yeah, when was it decided that the wolves dont know eachother? Cronin? paging cronin? __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

02-19-2008, 01:04 PM	#686
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	It actually says in the rules that the wolves do know each other and can communicate privately.

02-19-2008, 01:08 PM	#688
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Hmm, now I look at the rules and it does say that the wolves know each other. I thought that was a topic of conversation throughout yesterday, did I dream that? __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-19-2008, 01:10 PM	#689
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	I think you took too much acid as a kid.... __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

02-19-2008, 01:14 PM	#690
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	For some reason, people did wonder if the wolves knew each other. That discussion did happen. As pointed out, however, the rules do state that the wolves know each other from the beginning of the game. __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

02-19-2008, 01:17 PM	#691
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Might as well get a vote in now since I might not be able to check back before the day is over. I am sure I will be able to, so if I see the need to change my vote, I will. If nfg is a wolf, this tells me that I'm not the 100% scanner since I saw him as a student the first time around. vote nfg

02-19-2008, 01:18 PM	#693
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	Quit not quick... dammit

02-19-2008, 01:24 PM	#695
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	So St.Cronin and SndVls are the only 2 who haven't revealed there scan results, correct?

02-19-2008, 01:25 PM	#696
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	NM, I think all we are waiting on is Cronin

02-19-2008, 01:27 PM	#699
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Can somebody post the scan results for last night? __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-19-2008, 01:27 PM	#700
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	dola - oops didn't read the next post

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