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Was just coming over to post this myself.
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Club has a 1500 person capacity so if they managed to take it completely the death toll could be staggering
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The explosion you can hear over the France-Germany football match is frighteningly loud.
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Oh there's only about 60 hostages
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I guess that's better than 1500, but still a lot of freaking people.
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French police say 26 dead between the attacks, hearing some media (not sure who, Sky maybe?) saying the number is at least 30
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Just copying my post over to here ...
Sincerely hope i am jumping the gun here, but need to get this off my chest as its pretty sickening regardless. My sister is vacationing there actually, thankfully already checked in with me and went back to her hotel after it started. Apparently, there have been at least one (possibly more) shootings in the city center, a (not officially confirmed) hostage situation involving over 60 people and 3 explosions as well. All while a soccer match between France and Germany is going on (the explosions could be clearly heard on the live broadcast over the crowd noise). Again, just feels like thats too much to be coincidental. Actually, the stadium is now on lockdown and fans are waiting on the pitch. Paris shooting: Several killed and injured after 'Kalashnikov and grenade attacks' across French capital - Telegraph
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Now they are saying 100 hostages. About 30 people dead.
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yeah, hail the invention of (cell) phones. I know even that its irrational (i mean, what´d be the odds) but still. And the fact she is actually shaken by it tells me a lot. From what she told me, the police (and even some army personell) were basically blanketing the city pretty rapidly. 35 dead reported now ...
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I've learned with these things that the early news can be understandably conflicting and/or inaccurate. There's a ton of chaos. But a reddit poster has complied the twitter and news reports and translated them into English, where necessary, with links. He's updating it in real time.
orion4321 comments on 'Shootings' reported in central Paris: Reports of shooting and casualties in central Paris A few things: -gas cannisters with nails and bolts were said to be detonated outside of the stadium -Around 60 people said to be inside Bataclan concert hall in hostage situation -Two Suicide attacks near stade de France -The president of France was at the stadium at the time of the attacks -French military deployed on the streets Edit: This is an even more-quickly-updated live stream of relevant news and photos: https://www.reddit.com/live/vwwnkuplwr9y Last edited by molson : 11-13-2015 at 04:33 PM. |
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11-13-2015, 04:33 PM | #14 |
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The hostage situation is puzzling. Are they actually trying to negotiate for their release? That doesn't seem to fit Al Queda or ISIS's MO.
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from some reports (including what my sister heard on french radio) it might well be a siege ... This is just sickening. How do you defend against this ? And to think that in some areas of the world, this sort of thing has been the normality for years (and centuries) now ...
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the concert hall had a performance tonight from U.S. garage/blues rock band Eagles Of Death Metal. No word on their condition/situation so far.
Their touring lineup includes two members of Queens Of The Stone Age, one from A Perfect Circle, and the drummer from The Whigs (who lives here in Athens) Eagles of Death Metal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia edit to add: one of the QOTSA members, eodm founding member Josh Homme, is not on the current tour.
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This is the fear, right? 9/11 was obviously horrible, but that's a once a generation kind of attack. This feels like the moment the west has been able to avoid on a large scale. Hopefully it's just a blip
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Still new attacks being launched in seemingly random places all over the city (which further explains the "hostage" situation from a tactical standpoint) ... Ambulances now converging on the concert hall in numbers.
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There's gonna be a HUGE backlash against all those refugees across all of Western Europe after today.
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Which makes this ripe for a false flag attack honestly. (Yes, I'm the staunchly anti-immigration guy, doesn't mean I'm not able to keep both eyes open)
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which would be incredibly stupid. This is not a national or even a religious issue where the traditional strategies have significance. It´s a question of ideology, which knows no boundaries as it is. French President Hollande just claimed that police and military are running targeted operations of their own now.
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Which is why i personally would never blame police or even the army to proceed carefully. Those are people as well and while they signed up to "protect and serve", you can´t just sent them to be slaughtered as well. I can´t imagine being in their shoes right now ... This truly is like 9/11.
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It wouldn't make sense for refugees to be involved, as this is what refugees were running from in the first place.
However, many reports indicate that most of the people traveling across borders and seeking refugee status are not actually refugees. And a very high percentage of those traveling are single men aged 20-30. They could very well be part of this kind of attack. What will probably change in Europe is more of an effort to address who is and who isn't a refugee. This is terrible. It could very well happen in any western city, including the United States. |
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I guess we need to figure out who was really a refugee and who was just coming into France to kill the infidels.
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The figures from Lebanon are pretty telling. Of the 2m "refugees" they admitted, the internal estimates are that at least 2% have Jihadist ties.
That's 4,000 terrorists they just admitted.
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my French is rusty, but I think I just heard that the GIGN is currently trying to rescue the hostages
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This is a gross overestimation on both accounts, IMO. Some of the people propably aren´t, but saying it´s "most" is ludicrous if you have seen how those camps and preliminary housing look. There´s way easier ways to get into Europe (if you have the backing of what are well-equipped and funded organisations) than via a months-long track including being stopped and essentially put into emergency camps that it´s hard to imagine spending a day in, much less weeks. Also, there are numerous legit reasons for 20-30 year old men to take that risk. Those are often the most outspoken and targeted, especially if they have an academic background. Heck, i am getting a dozen mails every week in my function as a member of out university faculties student-organisation of refugees trying to get information on how to continue their studies that they were forced to abandon.
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Yea, trying to filter through the information. [live] Paris Shootings Live Thread Eight minutes ago this was posted on the reddit live thread "We will no longer be reporting what's happening at the Bataclan. This is due to a gag request by French Police." Outside of that reporters are far away from the theater and not much media chatter from the area. Sounds like they are/were moving in. |
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Would make sense, would acoutn for the explosions being reported as well as the increase of gunfire.
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✔ @AFP #BREAKING Police storm Paris concert hall where hostages held: security source
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But maybe we should hold off on that particular discussion for a couple days ? I definitely will stop now because i´m not really in the right frame of mind for it at the moment, but am going to be happy to discuss it further at a later time.
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Sickening, very sickening. Thoughts go out to everyone there.
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This whole thing will definitely make me wary of crowds and major cities...
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Word is that an arrest has taken place and the person has claimed to be from ISIS. With that said, take that with a grain of salt the way "news" comes out from these things early on.
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12 people rescued from the concert hall.
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reports in the past couple of minutes of (apparent) hostages emerging from Bataclan, most walking with some on stretchers.
Also the live feed from the scene has reportedly just been cut at the request of the government.
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One of the down sides of cutting the cord is the lack of good news sources when things like this happen. CNN and FoxNews both require cable logins, but the BBC is streaming for free perfectly.
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BBC is reporting that there are "dozens" dead inside the concert hall.
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It's always been something I've never understood. If terrorists wanted a soft target, having walked down Wembley Way numerous times, it would be like shooting fish in a barrel. Sports events are seemingly easy targets if so inclined.
And from that, we should remember how much of a minority the extremists actually are - similar to flying in a plane: if something happens, things are serious, but the chances of something actually happening are minimal. This is Paris, could be London, could be Birmingham, could be Manchester. Could be Berlin, Madrid, Rome... Knee jerk reaction is fuck em all. Considered response should probably be fuck the extremists, but how you distinguish until it's too late is becoming more difficult...
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A refugee camp of exclusively sudanese (!) refugees in Calais has apparently been set on fire.
I hate this world right now ...
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