So, is trading dead?

QuikSand · 05-02-2009, 04:05 AM

Just seems curious to me... now that we have wiped out draft picks, are we all so in love with our own players that it's too hard to assemble the used-to-be routine "see a guy on the block, oh he's decent, offer something up" trade?

Julio Riddols · 05-02-2009, 04:24 AM

I think trades will be a lot harder to come by, because now instead of trading for that high draft pick, teams can only trade for known quantities. People will be looking for specific positions, and a lot of teams that meet the requirements of the person making the trade offer may not need the player or position being offered. I see this as a good thing.. It will probably take a few years of this new system before normal trade activity really resumes.

the reason I made the deal with you last season that we made was because of a conflict on my team. I was able to benefit from picking up a skilled vet with no conflicts in exchange for my young talent with a lot of years left. I think that type of trade is what we will be seeing. I also think trades will occur after FA2 more than at any other time, as teams try to jockey for that last upgrade after the signing frenzy ends.

Sef0r · 05-02-2009, 05:21 AM

Agreed, just harder to get what you want. Unless of course you change from a 3-4 to a 4-3. If I sign the rookies I'm hoping for I will go with a 4-3 and trade away from blitzing WLB.

iBomb1st · 05-02-2009, 08:50 PM

I guess im the only one who truly misses the draft and trading of picks. Im just bored to tears by the never-ending FA, then lightning fast season sim, just to start FA all over again. With the fast sim (which i love) gameplanning is almost obsolete, and with no draft it seems like we do nothing but bid on FA's. BORING. I understand that with no draft it adds some new wrinkles to FA but it feels like theres less depth in the experience of running a team now. I feel like with a draft in between it would be perfection. Watching the draft last weekend made me yearn for it so bad... studying the draft class... hoping for your guy to fall or trading up and down... reading the follow up reports... man i miss it. Ive heard the arguments from people who like the current system... but i just dont see it. This system seems to really cater towards the cap savy vets and parity has definetly taken a back seat. But it is different... and i guess thats what this league is all about huh?

Sef0r · 05-03-2009, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by iBomb1st

I guess im the only one who truly misses the draft and trading of picks. Im just bored to tears by the never-ending FA, then lightning fast season sim, just to start FA all over again. With the fast sim (which i love) gameplanning is almost obsolete, and with no draft it seems like we do nothing but bid on FA's. BORING. I understand that with no draft it adds some new wrinkles to FA but it feels like theres less depth in the experience of running a team now. I feel like with a draft in between it would be perfection. Watching the draft last weekend made me yearn for it so bad... studying the draft class... hoping for your guy to fall or trading up and down... reading the follow up reports... man i miss it. Ive heard the arguments from people who like the current system... but i just dont see it. This system seems to really cater towards the cap savy vets and parity has definetly taken a back seat. But it is different... and i guess thats what this league is all about huh?

Don't get me wrong. I would rather have the draft, but this is a trial period and we need to give it 2-3 seasons. Things might change for you, things might not. I don't mind as much I guess as I am in only 1 other league which has the draft still. I do however like the draft generated rookie class rules we have here.

RedKingGold · 05-03-2009, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by iBomb1st

I guess im the only one who truly misses the draft and trading of picks. Im just bored to tears by the never-ending FA, then lightning fast season sim, just to start FA all over again. With the fast sim (which i love) gameplanning is almost obsolete, and with no draft it seems like we do nothing but bid on FA's. BORING. I understand that with no draft it adds some new wrinkles to FA but it feels like theres less depth in the experience of running a team now. I feel like with a draft in between it would be perfection. Watching the draft last weekend made me yearn for it so bad... studying the draft class... hoping for your guy to fall or trading up and down... reading the follow up reports... man i miss it. Ive heard the arguments from people who like the current system... but i just dont see it. This system seems to really cater towards the cap savy vets and parity has definetly taken a back seat. But it is different... and i guess thats what this league is all about huh?

FYI, I tried fitting a square peg into a round hole recently and came up with very similar results.

Subby · 05-03-2009, 04:59 PM

I have the draft in plenty of other leagues. I like the change here.

iBomb1st · 05-03-2009, 07:05 PM

I think the qb/wr nerfing is brilliant. I have never enjoyed being in multiple leagues though so I stick to 1 at a time. Perhaps I should join another or move on. Its still elite competition in a very interesting format though so i will give it some more time. I think watching the draft just set me off.

wade moore · 05-04-2009, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

Just seems curious to me... now that we have wiped out draft picks, are we all so in love with our own players that it's too hard to assemble the used-to-be routine "see a guy on the block, oh he's decent, offer something up" trade?

I think it's quite a bit simpler than this and something I assumed everyone "knew" would happen.

How many trades do you see in MP leagues that do not involve draft picks? A VERY small minority involve player for player I'd say, so this was pretty easy to predict.

QuikSand · 05-04-2009, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

I think it's quite a bit simpler than this and something I assumed everyone "knew" would happen.

How many trades do you see in MP leagues that do not involve draft picks? A VERY small minority involve player for player I'd say, so this was pretty easy to predict.

Well, just because player-player trades are pretty rare in an environment where draft picks are available for use in trades (and easier to use and judge), doesn't necessarily mean that wiping out draft picks would mean wiping out trades. In theory, when I see a guy I'd be willing to offer a 3rd round pick for, instead I could be offering a player worth roughly a 3rd round pick. No reason to believe that would be approaching zero.

But, overall, I think the psychological effect of overvaluing what you have (especially when it comes to something as unspecific as a player) makes this much harder. Rather than offering a 3rd round pick, I offer you a player that *I* think is worth a 3rd, and you think is worth a 6th (meanwhile you think your guy is worth a 1st, not a 3rd, to begin with), and we're not close at all to a trade.

So it goes. I'm not shocked.

QuikSand · 05-28-2009, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

So it goes. I'm not shocked.

Well said.

TheMeat · 05-28-2009, 01:04 PM

Couldn't find a good enough offer for the DT? I tried to figure something out that was good for both of us but there's just not many players on my team that I didn't want there. I'm not surprised you didn't take my offer. Trading may be officially dead, I'm callin it. T.O.D: 12:04pm.

Tasan · 05-28-2009, 01:52 PM

Finding player for player deals that work for both sides is real tough. We see this all the time in FOOL. It takes a LOT of effort to get them done, and I think in a fast paced league like this a lot of folks see that effort as wasted when they can wait two weeks to try to get their missing piece next season.

chinaski · 05-28-2009, 02:23 PM

Id love to have either one of those guys Quick was offering up, but I felt like I didnt have anything to offer in return.

TheMeat · 05-28-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tasan

Finding player for player deals that work for both sides is real tough. We see this all the time in FOOL. It takes a LOT of effort to get them done, and I think in a fast paced league like this a lot of folks see that effort as wasted when they can wait two weeks to try to get their missing piece next season.

Precisely

05-02-2009, 04:24 AM	#2
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	I think trades will be a lot harder to come by, because now instead of trading for that high draft pick, teams can only trade for known quantities. People will be looking for specific positions, and a lot of teams that meet the requirements of the person making the trade offer may not need the player or position being offered. I see this as a good thing.. It will probably take a few years of this new system before normal trade activity really resumes. the reason I made the deal with you last season that we made was because of a conflict on my team. I was able to benefit from picking up a skilled vet with no conflicts in exchange for my young talent with a lot of years left. I think that type of trade is what we will be seeing. I also think trades will occur after FA2 more than at any other time, as teams try to jockey for that last upgrade after the signing frenzy ends. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

05-03-2009, 04:59 PM	#7
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05-28-2009, 01:04 PM	#12
TheMeat n00b Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Alberta	Couldn't find a good enough offer for the DT? I tried to figure something out that was good for both of us but there's just not many players on my team that I didn't want there. I'm not surprised you didn't take my offer. Trading may be officially dead, I'm callin it. T.O.D: 12:04pm. __________________ Owner/GM/Head Coach and Towel Boy for the St. Louis Rams.of the FOWL Owner of the Green Bay Packers of the PFL. First Response Coordinator of Public Relations Disasters for the Balzac Ticklers of the FOOLX. (retired) Owner/GM of the soon to be awesome Fort Worth Fury of the IHOF

05-28-2009, 01:52 PM	#13
Tasan College Starter Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Houston, or there about	Finding player for player deals that work for both sides is real tough. We see this all the time in FOOL. It takes a LOT of effort to get them done, and I think in a fast paced league like this a lot of folks see that effort as wasted when they can wait two weeks to try to get their missing piece next season. __________________ 2011 Golden Scribes winner for best Interactive Dynasty

05-28-2009, 02:23 PM	#14
chinaski College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon	Id love to have either one of those guys Quick was offering up, but I felt like I didnt have anything to offer in return. __________________ CCFL - Buffalo Bills IHOF - Houston Mustangs GML - San Diego

05-02-2009, 05:21 AM	#3
Sef0r n00b Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: New Zealand	Agreed, just harder to get what you want. Unless of course you change from a 3-4 to a 4-3. If I sign the rookies I'm hoping for I will go with a 4-3 and trade away from blitzing WLB.

05-02-2009, 08:50 PM	#4
iBomb1st n00b Join Date: Jan 2009	I guess im the only one who truly misses the draft and trading of picks. Im just bored to tears by the never-ending FA, then lightning fast season sim, just to start FA all over again. With the fast sim (which i love) gameplanning is almost obsolete, and with no draft it seems like we do nothing but bid on FA's. BORING. I understand that with no draft it adds some new wrinkles to FA but it feels like theres less depth in the experience of running a team now. I feel like with a draft in between it would be perfection. Watching the draft last weekend made me yearn for it so bad... studying the draft class... hoping for your guy to fall or trading up and down... reading the follow up reports... man i miss it. Ive heard the arguments from people who like the current system... but i just dont see it. This system seems to really cater towards the cap savy vets and parity has definetly taken a back seat. But it is different... and i guess thats what this league is all about huh?

05-03-2009, 07:05 PM	#8
iBomb1st n00b Join Date: Jan 2009	I think the qb/wr nerfing is brilliant. I have never enjoyed being in multiple leagues though so I stick to 1 at a time. Perhaps I should join another or move on. Its still elite competition in a very interesting format though so i will give it some more time. I think watching the draft just set me off.

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