Trading Rules For Next Season And Beyond.

Ben E Lou · 11-10-2008, 02:42 PM

Unlimited draft pick trades.
No more than one player may *leave* your roster via trade.
Unlimited players may be *acquired* via trade. (In other words, if you want to dump all your draft picks in trades with 21 different teams, have at it.)
No player signed to a new contract in the current year may be traded.

Rule #2 can be easily checked via code. I've already written the query for it, and will set up a page where you can just go and check if you've traded someone away. Here are the results for this season.

teamid	cityname	players traded away
0	Arizona	2
1	Atlanta	6
2	Baltimore	11
3	Buffalo	3
5	Chicago	2
6	Cincinnati	4
8	Denver	12
9	Detroit	4
10	Green Bay	1
12	Jacksonville	5
15	Minnesota	6
18	New York	3
20	Oakland	1
21	Philadelphia	3
22	Pittsburgh	1
23	San Diego	2

Coffee Warlord · 11-10-2008, 02:47 PM

I approve of this message.

Julio Riddols · 11-10-2008, 03:47 PM

Sounds perfect. I think this league is going to be one where the offseason is almost as anticipated as the regular season.

PackerFanatic · 11-10-2008, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

Sounds perfect. I think this league is going to be one where the offseason is almost as anticipated as the regular season.

+1

wade moore · 11-10-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

Sounds perfect. I think this league is going to be one where the offseason is almost as anticipated as the regular season.

And it's never more than about a month away

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stevew · 11-11-2008, 01:17 AM

contract laundering was a black eye, and gladly will be avoided in the future.

Honestly, I'm just bitter I didn't think of it myself.

stevew · 11-11-2008, 01:18 AM

dola

And there is always room to limit renegotiations going forward, if it becomes apparent we'll be fighting over 45/45 guys each offseason in FA. Will take some time to play itself out though.

stevew · 11-11-2008, 01:22 AM

Can we also discuss moving the trade deadline back to week 10 or 11? Or is that verbotten?

Ben E Lou · 11-11-2008, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Can we also discuss moving the trade deadline back to week 10 or 11? Or is that verbotten?

We can discuss it, but I haven't seen many people besides you who are interested in doing that.

wade moore · 11-11-2008, 05:57 AM

Steve is the only one in any league I'm in that has been in favor of that

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Suicane75 · 11-11-2008, 06:14 AM

So what is the trade deadline? Week 5?

Ben E Lou · 11-11-2008, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Suicane75

So what is the trade deadline? Week 5?

Yeah. Just the standard one, unless Steve's idea gets some legs.

gstelmack · 11-11-2008, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Yeah. Just the standard one, unless Steve's idea gets some legs.

(walks off to sharpen axe...)

stevew · 11-11-2008, 09:28 AM

The NFL trade deadline is 2 weeks later than FOF's. So, to say the FOF one is the same as the NFL one, just isn't true.

tarcone · 11-11-2008, 10:03 AM

Im in favor of moving the trade deadline back to week 7 or 8.

jwolf02 · 11-11-2008, 10:04 AM

Love the trade rules...

tarcone · 11-11-2008, 10:06 AM

Why cant a player just signed to a FA contract be traded?

Coffee Warlord · 11-11-2008, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

Why cant a player just signed to a FA contract be traded?

Because it allows for 'player laundering', which is lame.

Suicane75 · 11-11-2008, 10:39 AM

I wouldn't mind if it was a few weeks later for this season only.

wade moore · 11-11-2008, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew

The NFL trade deadline is 2 weeks later than FOF's. So, to say the FOF one is the same as the NFL one, just isn't true.

I could see moving the trade deadline to week 6 or 7 for this reason.

"The National Football League's deadline is the Tuesday following the sixth week of the regular season"

wade moore · 11-11-2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Suicane75

I wouldn't mind if it was a few weeks later for this season only.

This I am not in favor of. No more special rules for this season only.

tarcone · 11-11-2008, 11:26 AM

I guess I dont buy the "player Laundering". Since the game is turn based and not on a real time schedule, things like signing 2 great SSs can happen. I cant stop from getting 2 like I could in real life. So I would be stuck with 2 great SSs while another team who needs one is begging to trade for one.
Also, isnt a cap hit a good penalty?
And what if the FA I signed starts stinking up the joint and I have a better alternative? Why cant I trade my player.

stevew · 11-11-2008, 03:08 PM

I don't think you know what player laundering is.
Team signs guy to massive one year offer, trades player to another team with a massive one year guy. Then they trade back, and each original team can then sign their players to longer term deals.

Sure it's a healthy hit on cap year #1, but going forward it's good players on the cheapz.

Suicane75 · 11-11-2008, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

This I am not in favor of. No more special rules for this season only.

That's like refusing to allow the girl who just had lipo, a boob job, butt and calf implants, collagen injections and a chin implant to put on lipstick.

Pushing the trade deadline back 3 weeks in the only season we'll be allowed to make any sort of trade is crossing the line?

Cringer · 11-11-2008, 07:06 PM

Agreed. Might as well extend things for right now. I probably won't make any trades so it doesn't effect me, but I can see how extending it could help some guys.

Week 5 is Friday, extending it another week or two this season means guys can have the weekend to look things over, maybe get a deal done, have it all out of their system.

tarcone · 11-11-2008, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

I don't think you know what player laundering is.
Team signs guy to massive one year offer, trades player to another team with a massive one year guy. Then they trade back, and each original team can then sign their players to longer term deals.

Sure it's a healthy hit on cap year #1, but going forward it's good players on the cheapz.

Never even thought of doing this. Interesting scheme and definitely not a good thing.
But what about my scenario? What if it is a legit situation? Now im being penalized because some people like to push the envelope of fair play.

wade moore · 11-11-2008, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suicane75

That's like refusing to allow the girl who just had lipo, a boob job, butt and calf implants, collagen injections and a chin implant to put on lipstick.

Pushing the trade deadline back 3 weeks in the only season we'll be allowed to make any sort of trade is crossing the line?

Keep in mind that I would have strongly supported trade limitations THIS season.

I'm just not in favor of extending this madness any further than we have to at this point.

RedKingGold · 11-11-2008, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

Never even thought of doing this. Interesting scheme and definitely not a good thing.

It already happened in this league.

See the Chicago-Arizona trades in the trade forum.

Subby · 11-12-2008, 02:29 PM

I wouldn't be too upset about it tarcone. I wouldn't have done it if it was against the rules.

The sheer brilliance of it is undeniable, of course.

I am totally ready to outlaw it now though.

RedKingGold · 12-13-2008, 05:50 PM

So, these rules in the top part of this post are applicable now?

11-10-2008, 03:47 PM	#3
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	Sounds perfect. I think this league is going to be one where the offseason is almost as anticipated as the regular season. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

11-11-2008, 07:06 PM	#25
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	Agreed. Might as well extend things for right now. I probably won't make any trades so it doesn't effect me, but I can see how extending it could help some guys. Week 5 is Friday, extending it another week or two this season means guys can have the weekend to look things over, maybe get a deal done, have it all out of their system. __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose!

11-12-2008, 02:29 PM	#29
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	I wouldn't be too upset about it tarcone. I wouldn't have done it if it was against the rules. The sheer brilliance of it is undeniable, of course. I am totally ready to outlaw it now though. __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

11-10-2008, 02:47 PM	#2
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	I approve of this message.

11-11-2008, 01:17 AM	#6
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	contract laundering was a black eye, and gladly will be avoided in the future. Honestly, I'm just bitter I didn't think of it myself.

11-11-2008, 01:18 AM	#7
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	dola And there is always room to limit renegotiations going forward, if it becomes apparent we'll be fighting over 45/45 guys each offseason in FA. Will take some time to play itself out though.

11-11-2008, 01:22 AM	#8
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Can we also discuss moving the trade deadline back to week 10 or 11? Or is that verbotten?

11-11-2008, 06:14 AM	#11
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	So what is the trade deadline? Week 5?

11-11-2008, 09:28 AM	#14
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	The NFL trade deadline is 2 weeks later than FOF's. So, to say the FOF one is the same as the NFL one, just isn't true.

11-11-2008, 10:03 AM	#15
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	Im in favor of moving the trade deadline back to week 7 or 8.

11-11-2008, 10:04 AM	#16
jwolf02 n00b Join Date: Dec 2007	Love the trade rules...

11-11-2008, 10:06 AM	#17
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	Why cant a player just signed to a FA contract be traded?

11-11-2008, 10:39 AM	#19
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	I wouldn't mind if it was a few weeks later for this season only.

11-11-2008, 11:26 AM	#22
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	I guess I dont buy the "player Laundering". Since the game is turn based and not on a real time schedule, things like signing 2 great SSs can happen. I cant stop from getting 2 like I could in real life. So I would be stuck with 2 great SSs while another team who needs one is begging to trade for one. Also, isnt a cap hit a good penalty? And what if the FA I signed starts stinking up the joint and I have a better alternative? Why cant I trade my player.

11-11-2008, 03:08 PM	#23
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I don't think you know what player laundering is. Team signs guy to massive one year offer, trades player to another team with a massive one year guy. Then they trade back, and each original team can then sign their players to longer term deals. Sure it's a healthy hit on cap year #1, but going forward it's good players on the cheapz.

12-13-2008, 05:50 PM	#30
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	So, these rules in the top part of this post are applicable now?

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