Werewolf CXXXII: THE CUBE (Game Over: Construction Workers win!)

[The Jackal]

4 - ntndeacon - Tyrith (967), Danny (988), Schmidty (993), Telle (1000)
2 - Telle - MrBug708 (978), ntndeacon (997)

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Meh. This is a backup vote; I'd like to wade into it this afternoon, but I've been really busy this week, so I don't know if I'm going to be able to.

VOTE NTNDEACON

Originally Posted by Danny

I am about to go drop off my end of year PBO folder and then go celebrate, so I may not be around much or at all before deadline. At this point I'm more inclined to vote ntndeacon over Telle, so that is where I will go.

Vote ntndeacon

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Ok, I've pondered this a bit, and although my first reaction is to avoid voting for ntn since he feels ok about me; however, after seeing how things are looking so far today, and listening to my gut, I'm going to vote for him for now:

Vote ntndeacon

Sorry man, but for now that's what it is.

Originally Posted by Telle

Self-preservation vote..

vote ntndeacon

So the votes on me for this important votes are a backup vote, a vote out of two possibilities, voting against instinct and self preservation. seems like only a limited reason to vote for me.

[ntndeacon]

My choices of who is wolves is in the following order:
1. Telle
2. Danny
3. Mr. Bug (could be, my thoughts if you are that you voted contrary to your lupine brothers and/or sisters)
4. Schmidty (I would be pretty surprised if you are wolf)
5. Tyrith (if you are a wolve they have won anyway)
6. me. (well I know my allegience)

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

I did it in my Magic game, i had people act as ghosts and they could be brought back up or make official comments.

I also recall someone else having dead people vote, but not talk, if I remember correctly.

EagleFan's Amazing Race. You had to both be werewolf killed AND get knocked out of the race (come in last) to be eliminated from talking in the thread.

[Tyrith]

ntn going back and pointing at the D1 vote honestly makes me a good bit more suspicious, instead of less. At this point, it's just too convenient of an excuse, and it's exactly the kind of screwball thing I could see Narc doing on day 1 - if two of you ever got lynched, the third would always have this piece of "evidence" on their side. Most of the time I don't even think a villager thinks to bring this up on their own, even in the scenario a villager ntn would be in now, which is grasping for any straw to stay alive.

I'm content in my vote now.

[PackerFanatic]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

EagleFan's Amazing Race. You had to both be werewolf killed AND get knocked out of the race (come in last) to be eliminated from talking in the thread.

I had thought of that one, but it wasn't quite what I was thinking. I was thinking actual zombies

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

I had thought of that one, but it wasn't quite what I was thinking. I was thinking actual zombies

oh you mean the dead players actually come back and do stuff like vote and nightkill? Or do the zombified villagers become the bad guys?

[Autumn]

I'm liking this idea, Packer. I'm always trying to figure out a way to do a no-death game, or have lynched characters come back. There's a lot of ways, but producing a zombie faction is an interesting one.

[PackerFanatic]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

oh you mean the dead players actually come back and do stuff like vote and nightkill? Or do the zombified villagers become the bad guys?

Originally Posted by Autumn

I'm liking this idea, Packer. I'm always trying to figure out a way to do a no-death game, or have lynched characters come back. There's a lot of ways, but producing a zombie faction is an interesting one.

I would almost think like another bad guy team of some sort. I am willing to help expand on the idea if someone wants to run with it (not so sure I could handle running a game myself, heh). We can take this out of the current game thread too

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

ntn going back and pointing at the D1 vote honestly makes me a good bit more suspicious, instead of less. At this point, it's just too convenient of an excuse, and it's exactly the kind of screwball thing I could see Narc doing on day 1 - if two of you ever got lynched, the third would always have this piece of "evidence" on their side. Most of the time I don't even think a villager thinks to bring this up on their own, even in the scenario a villager ntn would be in now, which is grasping for any straw to stay alive.

I'm content in my vote now.

I wasn't grasping at any straw just to be alive. I really think it was bad luck on their part that the first two of the construction workers we got were on the same person day one. I was really more concerned that by voting for me the game was gonna be won by them.

[The Jackal]

In a cab on the way home because the subway decided to stop running and delay me by an hour! Results to come when I get back, maybe after I pour some scotch

[CrimsonFox]

Jackal don't go to rapture, yet, buddy! You have to finish the game first!

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Jackal don't go to rapture, yet, buddy! You have to finish the game first!

Fell asleep!

[The Jackal]

Today we have a special treat! Since you so unceremoniously killed off my mole, I let him design a room, and you've just reached it!

Enjoy the fun, I know I will!

[The Jackal]

You are quickly pushed through a door, the color of which you didn't even get a chance to see. The person in front stops and you all crash into them and fall on the floor. The door slams behind you.

You wait quite a long while in silence and darkness. Then a piercing scream is heard from the next room. Was that another victim?

"Jester?"

There is silence. Suddenly the floor lights up in topaz, then the walls, and finally the ceiling comes to life with the jester's laughing happy face.

"Because you have made my day in choosing the topaz door, I'm giving you a party. Don't worry about cube death, let's have some pizza and soda."

The wall opens up and a table slides out holding several pizza boxes.

"And what goes better with pizza than movies! *cackle* I'll count it down. 3...2...1..."

The lights go out and the movie starts, still on the ceiling. Having not been fed for days, you eagerly scarf down the pizza. It is still warm. The movie shows a room of beige color with a figure standing in the middle. It is ntndeacon. He looks around glaring at the walls and ceiling. A chair appears behind him. He shouts at it and kicks it over.

"Ah ah ah! Don't kick the furniture!" says the jester appearing on the beige room's ceiling.

"Screw you jester! Your math sucks! My kung fu is superior! Primes! Summations! Encodings! I know it all and I'm better than you!" replies ntndeacon.

"Then please follow along in your textbook. We'll do a story problem together and be sure and show your work on the board."

[The Jackal]

Immediately ntndeacon is sucked to the ceiling by a vacuum force so strong he can't move.

"Now if you have 2 eyes and you subtract two, what do you have?"
"Zero of course, laughing boy!"
"Correct!"

A small vacuum hole opens at ntn's face and his eyes are sucked from his head. Blood gushes out.

"Now let's do fractions. If we have a whole,"

Four vacuum holes open up at the four corners of the ceiling. ntndeacon's limbs are pulled in four directions.

"you can cut it into parts. Anyone can split something in half...so let's do quarters. If you split something into four parts, then you have four equal quarters..."

****The movie is suddenly interrupted with the Jester's face again. "This is my favorite part!" he cackles. Then the movie restarts...****

ntndeacon lets out a scream as his body is pulled in four directions. He screams louder as the suction is turned up.

"...and if each of the quarters lands in your glass, you win and everyone else has to drink. Hahahahahaha!"

ntndeacon's arms and legs are pulled to the corners opening up his torso whose contents falls to the floor as the vacuum is turned off.

The lights go on again in your room as the movie ends. The remainder of the pizza stares back at you literally, a pile of blood, guts, and an eyeball...on dough.

"So sorry! We didn't have any veggie, but if you choose the right door next, there will be Rolaids! Hehehehehehehehehehahahahahahahaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

(ntndeacon was a vanilla cube rat!)

(The room you are in fades to pitch black)

(Thank you to CF for his contribution!)

[The Jackal]

Right now I'm going to have day 10 end Sunday since the game has been going on for awhile, but we'll see how activity goes again.

[The Jackal]

Next three door choices:

The first is tan, has the letter Y and the number sequence: 4 3 1 1 9 4 1 9 1 4

The second is indigo, has the letter O and the number sequence: 1 2 3 1 3 3 6 6 8 1

The third is ivory, has the letter K and the number sequence: 8 8 5 4 6 5 8 9 4 3

[Tyrith]

Good grief, I just fail at WW.

VOTE TELLE

[MrBug708]

Uggh

[MrBug708]

Tyrith, what was your role again?

[Schmidty]

Well, since I followed my gut on ntndeacon and screwed the pooch (so dirty sounding), I'm going to go with the only guy I truly trust:

Vote Telle

[Tyrith]

I'm the bodyguard, revealed something like four days ago now, so I'm the only actual confirmed good guy left.

[CrimsonFox]

TOPAZ! What a great word.

Reminds me of this song...

[Danny]

Not sure I like the run on Telle as I leaned toward her being a villager. I'm going to update and take a look at the voting and then decide.

[Danny]

Day One

7 Darth Vilus - mckerney (86), dwardzala (130), J23 (193), CrimsonFox (194), Zinto (201), hoopsguy (209), Telle (214)
5 CrimsonFox - Autumn (82), bhlloy (182), Tyrith (192), mauboy1 (200), MrBug (202)
4 Zinto - Narcizo (84), ntndeacon (100), Schmidty (181), Abe Sargent (199)
1 Autumn - PackerFanatic (97)
1 J23 - Darth Vilus (177)

No Vote: Danny

Day Two - Main Thread

6 dwardzala - Tyrith (267), PackerFanatic (360), J23 (384), hoopsguy (391), Danny (441), CrimsonFox (443)
2 Schmidty - Zinto (372), Narcizo (383)
1 ntndeacon - bhlloy (453)

Day Two - Splitter Thread

7 CrimsonFox - mauboy1 (44), Abe Sargent (49), mckerney (50), MrBug708 (56), dwardzala (59), Telle (64), Autumn (73)
2 Zinto - Schmidty (55), ntndeacon (57)

Day Three

12 dwardzala - Narcizo (524), PackerFanatic (532), mauboy1 (540), Tyrith (545), bhlloy (554), Telle (555), MrBug708 (558), hoopsguy (568), Danny (577), Schmidty (579), mckerney (582), J23 (584), ntndeacon (587)
1 Zinto - Abe Sargent (553)
1 Schmidty - Zinto (562)

Day Four

7 Zinto - Tyrith (596), MrBug708 (622), bhlloy (637), hoopsguy (647), Schmidty (648), J23 (650), mauboy1 (656)
5 bhlloy - Narcizo (630), PackerFanatic (634), Danny (640), Zinto (641), mckerney (652)

No Vote: NTN, Telle

Day Five

5 J23 - PackerFanatic (697), Telle (719), Tyrith (727), hoopsguy (735), MrBug708 (738)
3 PackerFanatic - Narcizo (690), J23 (712), Schmidty (740)
1 Telle - mauboy1 (722)

No Vote: NTN, Danny

Day Six

5 PackerFanatic - Narcizo (777), hoopsguy (790), mauboy1 (792), MrBug708 (797), Danny (802)
4 Narcizo - PackerFanatic (778), ntndeacon (789), Telle (795), Schmidty (800)

No Vote: Tyrith

Day 7
5 - Narcizo - Danny (823), Telle (838), Schmidty (849), MrBug708 (867), mauboy1 (874)
3 - Danny - Narcizo (825), Tyrith (833), ntndeacon (865)

[Danny]

Day 8

4 - mauboy1 - Danny (917), Telle (921), MrBug708 (937), Schmidty (940)
2 - Danny - mauboy1 (930), ntndeacon (933)
1 - ntndeacon - Tyrith (901)

Day 9

4 - ntndeacon - Tyrith (967), Danny (988), Schmidty (993), Telle (1000)
2 - Telle - MrBug708 (978), ntndeacon (997)

[Danny]

Looking at the votes, I tend to lean toward voting Mr. Bug. There certainly is a good and bad case for all four of us, including myself, but he's kind of coasted through the game to this point and if he's not a wolf that would mean not a single construction worker was on crimson day 1. I'm going to look into the possible wolf combos a little as well before voting.

[MrBug708]

Did I miss the rule where each wolf group has to pick different doors?

[Danny]

I think that every player has shown that if they are a wolf they are not afraid to cast a vote on a fellow wolf, so the combos could be anything. That said, based on looking at play and vote history, this is what I lean regarding possible combos.

Telle and Mr. Bug. I think this combo is probably not the most likely. Mr. Bug made a vote on Telle yesterday, but it may have been to gain trust thinking ntn would be lynched anyway.

Telle and Danny. There is some evidence to suggest this as possible wolf combo as I have avoided voting Telle to this point. That said, there's nothing in voting patterns or posts that makes this a terribly strong case.

Telle and Schmidty. I see some evidence for and against this combo depending on how you look at it. They both had key Narcizo votes, so it's possible they agreed to bury him to gain trust. But Schmidty also made a key Telle vote today. That said, I could definitely see a wolf helping to bury the other wolf to gain the trust necessary to finish off the game.

Mr. Bug and Schmidty. For me with my leaning on Telle, I see this as the most likely wolf grouping. But objectively, there really is no evidence this is more likely than other combos.

Mr. Bug and Danny. No votes for eachother, but again no real linking pattern.

Schmidty and Danny. Same as Mr. Bug. No vote for eachother, but also no real linking pattern. As I have come out and said im not likely to vote for Telle, I think which way I vote gives evidence for or against this and the Mr, Bug combo.

[Danny]

Hmmm, Telle also would have been the only worker to vote Darth on day 1 and if both Mr. Bug and Telle were not wolves, that would have meant that no worker voted for either of the top two candidates on day one, which is highly unlikely

[Danny]

On day 1, Schmidty and Abe had back to back Zinto votes, a 3rd candidate. That's not the most likely scenario I think and couple with my previous post, leans me against voting him. Still only on day 2 though lol

[Danny]

Nothing to learn from day 3, runaway vote where everyone basically voted when they checked in that day.

[Danny]

It's hard to glean much from day 4 and 5 as neither day has a single vote on a possible or known worker.

[Danny]

Day 6, its a question if Narcizo's fellow wolves voted Packer or tried to bury him for trust. We know for a fact, every possible fellow worker buried him the following day, so I actually lean towards at least one fellow worker voting for Narcizo on day 6.

[Danny]

Day 8, every possible worker on Mau, tough to gain much clarification there.

Day 9, only real dissenting vote was Mr. bug voting for Telle, but we gain info about that vote if we knew one of the two's elegiance. That said, this is a do or die scenario, so I'm certainly not going to make a vote that simply gives us info.

[Danny]

While my gut vibe on Telle is still that she's a villager, the voting history shows I should definitely be considering her. At this point I am leaning voting Mr. Bug, but this a real tough vote

[MrBug708]

I didnt vote fro NT because it seemed like his biggest fault was not being around enough, which tends to be the sign of someone without much of a role.

Tyrith can be trusted (no one has disagreed), but the choices seemed random. Not that I have a much better insight into anyone has, but everyone seems to jump early on who they pick.

Danny is trying hard to get the vote off of Telle, which at this point, is a good risk for a wolf to take because if he succeeds, time is on his side. That being said, I don't think that's the move he would be doing at this point.

Schmidty seems to roll with whoever is in the majority and he's kinda pinging me right now.

My door choices
Green
Brown
Teal
Aqua
Lime
Silver
Burgundy
Emerald
Plum

[Danny]

FWIW, I plan to hold my vote until a little later. I want to see who votes where and I know for sure that since two of the other three are wolves, I'll have a choice for a possible wolf.

[Tyrith]

Trying to come up with a coherent reason for my vote today. Man, I've been sucking at WW lately.

UNVOTE TELLE

[MrBug708]

I dont think a vote for Telle is a bad vote. Danny has always been that "Lynch the next day" type of guy but has managed to avoid it since the beginning

[Tyrith]

For me, it comes back to day 6.

The entire Danny/Narcizo showdown seems pretty thoroughly instigated by Danny and Narcizo themselves. There were three construction workers left at that point, out of 10 players, and they still had their kill. This means that they need three good lynches to win the game, assuming I don't block. Do Danny and Narc working together at that point generate all that mess?

But then the next day, both of Narc's teammates voted for him anyway. If MrBug is a wolf, he generated a tie to do it. This would make sense in a world where Narc and Danny decided to sacrifice Narc back on day 6.

Good grief, I'm lost. The wolves being able to control all the information flow in this game makes it pretty brutal to ever try to conclude everything.

Of course, if Telle is a villager and Schmidty doesn't change his vote, the game is already lost.

[Tyrith]

Here's the story -

It takes my vote to keep us in the game, unless the wolves decide to sacrifice one to keep the other around. So I'm going to cast my vote, and we'll see who follows. I'll take the blame if it goes bad.

VOTE DANNY

[Danny]

You're the only vote I'm going to argue against Tyrith because now the wolves can just vote along with you for the win.

Regarding me going hard after Narc, I knew he had to be a wolf, so why would I not come hard after him? As we went over, I didn't think there any chance there would be 0 workers in the main thread during the split. That along with his posts made it pretty obvious to me that he was a wolf.

[Danny]

FWIW though, objectively none of the four players remaining are bad votes. There is a case against all 4 of us, so whether you end up on the right side of the vote, I wouldn't beat yourself up to much. Of course, subjectively I know I'm a bad vote

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Here's the story -

It takes my vote to keep us in the game, unless the wolves decide to sacrifice one to keep the other around. So I'm going to cast my vote, and we'll see who follows. I'll take the blame if it goes bad.

VOTE DANNY

It's a fair play and I can go with it. Danny would be next after Telle. If my math is correct, if Danny IS a villager, the game is over. Hell, if whoever is voted next is the villager, the game is over. So we have a 1 in 3 shot at hitting a villager at this point. (You'll forgive me if I already assume that I am a villager). If we hit a wolf with this vote, that give Tyrith a 1/3 shot at hitting a wolf with their vote and then a 50/50 shot at hitting the wolf with the last vote. (Provided the Cube doesn't mess with things)

vote - Danny

[Danny]

Vote Mr. Bug

I was waiting to see what Mr. Bug did and this makes me feel pretty good about him being a wolf. He's clearly making a concerted effort not to link himself too closely to anyone while at the same time throwing suspicion around to all the other uncleared players. In fact, he primarily brought up Schmidty as very likely being a wolf, but has never voted him. It was too risky for him to be the third vote on Telle earlier, especially since I think Schmidty is his wolf partner and that would have locked them in with no flexibility in the event Tyrith switched. Him putting the second vote on me with Telle already having a vote on her basically puts Telle in a situation where she has to vote me for self defense and locks up the game for the wolves most likely.

I'd be very surprised if Mr. Bug and Schmidty weren't the last two wolves.

[Danny]

I think it speaks volumes that both Schmidty and Mr. Bug were the players to jump on with second votes after Tyrith made an initial vote on a player. The wolves know that all they need is Tyrith to be on a villager and they win.

[MrBug708]

[quote=Danny;2473635]Vote Mr. Bug

I was waiting to see what Mr. Bug did and this makes me feel pretty good about him being a wolf.

You mean wait a long time to pick a person?

He's clearly making a concerted effort not to link himself too closely to anyone while at the same time throwing suspicion around to all the other uncleared players.

Well Duh, I don't really know who is a wolf at this point. As for throwing suspicion around, I don't think I've ever accused anyone of being a wolf.

In fact, he primarily brought up Schmidty as very likely being a wolf, but has never voted him.

I listed my thoughts on the remaining three players, something EVERY SINGLE PERSON has done, including you

It was too risky for him to be the third vote on Telle earlier, especially since I think Schmidty is his wolf partner and that would have locked them in with no flexibility in the event Tyrith switched.

Originally Posted by Danny

I think it speaks volumes that both Schmidty and Mr. Bug were the players to jump on with second votes after Tyrith made an initial vote on a player. The wolves know that all they need is Tyrith to be on a villager and they win.

[b]Him putting the second vote on me with Telle already having a vote on her basically puts Telle in a situation where she has to vote me for self defense and locks up the game for the wolves most likely.

I'm pretty sure these statements make me think we got a wolf. Going with your assumption that I'm a wolf, here is a few thoughts. You are convinced that Telle is the likely third villager (along with Tryrith and you), so why would I NOT vote for Telle? The whole reason Tyrith switched off of Telle was because of what I said. If the vote stays on Telle and she is a villager, the wolves would win. What's the point of playing mind games when victory is essentially assured for the wolves? Instead I hold off and what do you know, Tyrith switches her mind and at this point, we live and die by what she (he?) picks. If I kept my vote on ntd, it would also make a lot more sense, buying some "credibility" on ntd this late in the game, by not voting for him, is silly. That's an early game play in a game with lots of hidden roles. Not a late game play where the only thing analyzed is voting record. Too risky of a move and seems like a desperation theory for you.

If your fellow wolf votes with you, it's up to the third villager to not side with you for us to have any chance.

[MrBug708]

Eh, screwed up the top and the last quoted statement