Anyone notice a change in the game engine?

GoldenEagle · 08-04-2003, 12:56 PM

Is Hattrick starting to shy away from midfield ratings and factor in all ratings?

Case in point, look here:

Panther City FC
Player rating and Team formation
Midfield: divine
Right Side Defence: world class
Central Defence: magnificent
Left Side Defence: magnificent
Right Side Attack: solid
Central Attack: formidable
Left Side Attack: formidable

Red Star Belgrade
Player rating and Team formation
Midfield: world class
Right Side Defence: titanic
Central Defence: titanic
Left Side Defence: mythical
Right Side Attack: formidable
Central Attack: titanic
Left Side Attack: excellent

You would think Panther City FC would win easily right? Thats a difference of at least 7 midfield ratings, possibly more? Well RSB won 3-1 (im guessing he PICed).

I think the game engine has been changed some. If so, they should announce it.

BishopMVP · 08-04-2003, 01:16 PM

Billy once explained that at higher levels, levels of midfield don't matter so much, as a 7-level difference there is still only ~3-2 advantage, whereas on a lower level it could be like a 3-1 advantage. Also, there are always unexplainable games with many events for one team and none for the other, so taking one game to indicate a broad change seems premature.

GoldenEagle · 08-04-2003, 01:24 PM

but I have noticed it at other levels too. On my level as well.

KevinNU7 · 08-04-2003, 01:29 PM

a 65 NSI just tied a 50 NSI in my league. the 50 had crappy D decent middies and two 3.5 star forwards. The 65 had 2.5 and 3 star forwards an awesome middfield and 3 star defenders.

TargetPractice6 · 08-04-2003, 01:44 PM

Way back in season 17...

Airborne Penguins
Player rating and Team formation
Midfield: outstanding
Right Side Defence: formidable
Central Defence: formidable
Left Side Defence: formidable
Right Side Attack: weak
Central Attack: solid
Left Side Attack: solid

Downeasterners FC
Player rating and Team formation
Midfield: inadequate
Right Side Defence: solid
Central Defence: excellent
Left Side Defence: inadequate
Right Side Attack: excellent
Central Attack: magnificent
Left Side Attack: formidable

I lost 2 - 3. Then the very next week...

Empire FC
Player rating and Team formation
Midfield: weak
Right Side Defence: passable
Central Defence: solid
Left Side Defence: excellent
Right Side Attack: solid
Central Attack: solid
Left Side Attack: solid

Airborne Penguins
Player rating and Team formation
Midfield: excellent
Right Side Defence: excellent
Central Defence: formidable
Left Side Defence: outstanding
Right Side Attack: weak
Central Attack: passable
Left Side Attack: excellent

Another 3 - 2 loss. Or you could even go back to season 15 to my very first loss. 2 - 0:

Aeslehc
Player rating and Team formation
Midfield: wretched
Right Side Defence: passable
Central Defence: solid
Left Side Defence: passable
Right Side Attack: inadequate
Central Attack: inadequate
Left Side Attack: outstanding

Airborne Penguins
Player rating and Team formation
Midfield: inadequate
Right Side Defence: passable
Central Defence: passable
Left Side Defence: inadequate
Right Side Attack: excellent
Central Attack: inadequate
Left Side Attack: passable

I don't think there has been any change

YoSoySean · 08-04-2003, 02:30 PM

Yeah... as TP pointed out there has always been matches where one team dominates midfield and still loses. The more people that play the game, the more examples of it we see. It may also seem like it happens more because people won't complain when they lose after they get killed in midfield as much as the other way around...

Desnudo · 08-04-2003, 03:14 PM

As the saying goes, sh*t happens. Too bad it doesn't happen to the Swedish national team.

lytic · 08-04-2003, 03:53 PM

I had the opposite happen this week to me...
He had 55/58%

but I had him beat everywhere else and he won 5-1.

terpkristin · 08-04-2003, 04:55 PM

I've had it where I've dominated posession (handily) and lost.
I've had it where I've dominated the midfield (by 2 levels) and lost.

However, this hasn't happened yet THIS season (knock on wood). Maybe this is due in part to some of the "tinkering" they did to reduce the effectiveness of the 3-5-2?

~terpk

TargetPractice6 · 08-04-2003, 05:02 PM

They haven't done any tinkering... yet. I'm pretty sure if they were going to make changes to the match engine they would tell us. They always have before...

Edit: poort ypign ksills

08-04-2003, 01:24 PM	#3
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	but I have noticed it at other levels too. On my level as well. __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

08-04-2003, 01:29 PM	#4
KevinNU7 College Starter Join Date: May 2003 Location: Beantown	a 65 NSI just tied a 50 NSI in my league. the 50 had crappy D decent middies and two 3.5 star forwards. The 65 had 2.5 and 3 star forwards an awesome middfield and 3 star defenders. __________________ Boston Bashers - III.14 - (8347)

08-04-2003, 03:53 PM	#8
lytic College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: back in Nebraska (for a couple years)	I had the opposite happen this week to me... He had 55/58% but I had him beat everywhere else and he won 5-1. __________________ Hattrick stuff: SouthPark Cows' General Manager (Est Season 16) U20 South Korea Trainer (Season 19-22) Hattrick Moderator (since Season 22) Evil Gargs' Hater (since Season 18) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- My Pro Soccer Story

08-04-2003, 04:55 PM	#9
terpkristin Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ashburn, VA	I've had it where I've dominated posession (handily) and lost. I've had it where I've dominated the midfield (by 2 levels) and lost. However, this hasn't happened yet THIS season (knock on wood). Maybe this is due in part to some of the "tinkering" they did to reduce the effectiveness of the 3-5-2? ~terpk __________________ GO TERPS! https://www.flickr.com/photos/terpkristin https://twitter.com/terpkristin

08-04-2003, 05:02 PM	#10
TargetPractice6 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Lexington, KY	They haven't done any tinkering... yet. I'm pretty sure if they were going to make changes to the match engine they would tell us. They always have before... Edit: poort ypign ksills Last edited by TargetPractice6 : 08-04-2003 at 05:03 PM.

08-04-2003, 01:16 PM	#2
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	Billy once explained that at higher levels, levels of midfield don't matter so much, as a 7-level difference there is still only ~3-2 advantage, whereas on a lower level it could be like a 3-1 advantage. Also, there are always unexplainable games with many events for one team and none for the other, so taking one game to indicate a broad change seems premature.

08-04-2003, 01:44 PM	#5
TargetPractice6 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Lexington, KY	Way back in season 17... Airborne Penguins Player rating and Team formation Midfield: outstanding Right Side Defence: formidable Central Defence: formidable Left Side Defence: formidable Right Side Attack: weak Central Attack: solid Left Side Attack: solid Downeasterners FC Player rating and Team formation Midfield: inadequate Right Side Defence: solid Central Defence: excellent Left Side Defence: inadequate Right Side Attack: excellent Central Attack: magnificent Left Side Attack: formidable I lost 2 - 3. Then the very next week... Empire FC Player rating and Team formation Midfield: weak Right Side Defence: passable Central Defence: solid Left Side Defence: excellent Right Side Attack: solid Central Attack: solid Left Side Attack: solid Airborne Penguins Player rating and Team formation Midfield: excellent Right Side Defence: excellent Central Defence: formidable Left Side Defence: outstanding Right Side Attack: weak Central Attack: passable Left Side Attack: excellent Another 3 - 2 loss. Or you could even go back to season 15 to my very first loss. 2 - 0: Aeslehc Player rating and Team formation Midfield: wretched Right Side Defence: passable Central Defence: solid Left Side Defence: passable Right Side Attack: inadequate Central Attack: inadequate Left Side Attack: outstanding Airborne Penguins Player rating and Team formation Midfield: inadequate Right Side Defence: passable Central Defence: passable Left Side Defence: inadequate Right Side Attack: excellent Central Attack: inadequate Left Side Attack: passable I don't think there has been any change

08-04-2003, 02:30 PM	#6
YoSoySean High School Varsity Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: PA	Yeah... as TP pointed out there has always been matches where one team dominates midfield and still loses. The more people that play the game, the more examples of it we see. It may also seem like it happens more because people won't complain when they lose after they get killed in midfield as much as the other way around...

08-04-2003, 03:14 PM	#7
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	As the saying goes, sh*t happens. Too bad it doesn't happen to the Swedish national team.

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